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Immigration Reform Would Save Uncle Sam $197 Billion Over Next 10 Years

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According to a report just released by the Congressional Budget Office, the Senate's comprehensive immigration reform bill - officially, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act - would reduce federal budget deficits

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JL A (281)
Friday June 21, 2013, 3:27 pm
Immigration Reform Would Save Uncle Sam $197 Billion Over Next 10 Years

Written by Mattea Kramer on June 20, 2013 in Debt & Deficit, Medicare & Health, Social Security, Unemployment & Labor .

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According to a report just released by the Congressional Budget Office, the Senate’s comprehensive immigration reform bill – officially, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act – would reduce federal budget deficits by $197 billion over the next decade.

The legislation would increase spending while increasing tax revenue even more, thus yielding overall budgetary savings and smaller deficits. The higher spending would largely go toward refundable tax credits and health care for new residents, while the increased revenue would result from a substantially larger workforce. According to the CBO, immigration reform would grow the population by 10.4 million people by 2023, with 6 million of those new residents participating in the labor force. Those new workers would pay Social Security and Medicare taxes as well as contribute to general income taxes.

Immigration reform would reduce budget deficits by still more in the following decade. Between 2024 and 2033, the CBO projected $700 billion in federal budget savings.

The report assumed that immigration reform would take effect this October. But it’s not at all clear that lawmakers will be able pass the law on such a short timeframe – if history is any guide, of course, politics will arrest the process.

. (0)
Friday June 21, 2013, 3:55 pm
I'm sorry, but I did not read where rhis government is SAVING 197 billion. What I did read is 10.4 million immigrants can theoretically enter this country,Only 6 million are part of the labor force. Does this mean 4 million are children/elderly? They too will be feeding off the government.
The great slap in the face was the statement about refundable tax credits and health care which we will be providing. If these immigrants are to pay Medicare taxes, they can pay for heallth care.

JL A (281)
Friday June 21, 2013, 4:21 pm
The nonpartisan CBO report Allan (what both parties and all of Congress are supposed to use for their decisions). Many enter as students at the universities, remember Allan. None of your assertions of costs are founded in the facts and evidence presented by the CBO--a slap in the face IMO to people with the expertise on this issue.

Kit B (276)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:44 pm

Do we tell Allan that the majority of immigrants are paying taxes and are not able to collect any form of government relief? Should we also remind him that somewhere along the line his family too came from immigration to the United States? Each time we have a new group of immigration we have to go through this anger and prejudice toward the newest group of immigrants.

Our borders are already tighter than a frogs butt, but to get this bill through we have to pretend that the border is leaking Mexicans.

JL A (281)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:46 pm
Thank you for that accurate summary of the facts Kit. You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:25 am
I think I find it hard to believe anything that comes from any government office. Especially when its the very same government that want to pus new reform thru with out it being scrutinized. I belief is that anything that affects this country as a whole should be voted on by the people. i do believe that you can come to America as long as you do it legal. The problem as I see it is we are rewarding those that commit a crime of being here illegally. There are people in need in this country that we can not take care of yet we are willing to let more in and or make them retroactive citizens even though they have committed a crime. As my grandmother said. Get your own house in order before trying to clean up others, if you can not take care of your house how can you take care of others houses.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:34 am
Anyone and their family is welcome to return to where they came from if they do not like our representative system and want to vote continuously on everything and have a close society that is not founded on a welcome immigrants history.

Theodore Shayne (56)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:40 am

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 8:17 am
Hey JL A gotten something to say, say it. Might need to remember that statement when elected officials from the other side decide to pass things that you do not like. Your statement makes a clear point. You and you alone are right there is no need for discussion and if someone disagrees with what you feel is right then they need to get out. Hmmm very prejudiced of you... So much hate omg..... Just for that I think I would love to see Republicons come to office again, Might be humorous watching you have a stroke trying to support the representative system then. Thank you so much you just made my day, I will spend all day with the image of squirming like a worm on a hook at the thought of repubs in office.....

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 8:27 am
Please do not put words in my mouth I didn't say--as anyone points the finger at me, remember they have four pointed at themselves and may well be trying to project their own characteristics on another.

Enjoyment of others' suffering is usually viewed by psychologists as stemming from hatred and feat of others often due to the otherness that is the foundation of racism and bigotry and hate crimes.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 8:39 am
Would that be the same psychologists that believe in letting your inner puppy out to pee.?

Kit B (276)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 8:42 am

I know that J L does not object to some healthy disagreement. Why not surprise everyone this time, Tim M and actually construct a counter argument based on the facts that formed your opinion. Maybe just this one time you could present your opinion without aggressively looking for a fight or calling names. Surprise us.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 8:50 am
Thanks Kit.
You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 9:18 am
Oh, I am sorry to see your post got smeared by a troublemaker JL, Tim M. could you please do without personal attacks, thank you!
If what that report found is factual then I see no reason to push off that overdue immigration reform any longer.
Thx JL.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 9:25 am
For those interested in the factual actual historic immigration numbers:
How many immigrants to the US are there each year?


According to the 2009 National Population Projection, produced by the US Census Bureau, the immigrant population in the US is increased approximately by 1,250,000 per year. The immigrants come mainly from Latin America (over 50%), followed by those from Asia (around 20%).

How many immigrants to Canada are there each year?


Statistics Canada reports that the country receives over 240,000 immigrants each year, which constitutes a significant collaboration to Canadian population growth. Nearly 20% of the total population is constituted by foreign-born individuals, who come mainly from China and India. One third of the immigrant population does not speak neither English nor French.

BTW--the majority of immigrants are not from Mexico:
How many Mexican immigrants are in the United States?
Nearly 11.7 million foreign born from Mexico reside in the United States, according to the 2010 American Community Survey. Mexican immigrants accounted for 29 percent of all immigrants in the United States in 2010.

Stephen Brian (23)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 9:44 am
I do want to see immigration-reform in the U.S., but basing iarguments for it off these 10-year predictions is just silly. I asked a guy who used to make these economic predictions professionally, for decades, and he told me that with a lot of luck, perfectly produced predictions may be accurate for up to about three years. Apparently Congress demands 10-year predictions from its budget-office because it knows they will be wrong and it wants someone to blame next election when its initiatives don't work out as expected.

The fact is that the CBO needs data that cannot be gathered, uses numbers that are out of date, cannot possibly account for market-externalities when making econoimc or budgetary predictions, and cannot even model the economy itself reliably in the long-term. (Economic and budgetary predictions are closely linked as assistance-programs are by far the largest part of the budget.) Even if everybody there were a perfect genius, with a greater theoretical understanding of economics than exists today, they couldn't hope to make accurate ten-year predictions. For example, this prediction has "10.4 million people by 2023, with 6 million of those new residents participating in the labor force", which pretty much assumes today's average labour-force participation-rate. There are three problems: First, who knows how that participation-rate will change over the next ten years? Second, immigrants are almost by definition not of the dominant demographic group, participation-rates and worker-productivity differ among those. To accurately model this, the CBO would need to know market-externalities in immigrants' countries of origin over the next ten years. If it could do that, the CBO would probably take over from the CIA.

Also, like Allen pointed out, the U.S. is running a deficit primarily from costs which scale with the population, assistance-programs. Adding to the population without some serious changes in the budget, or even having some source of economic growth to absorb the new immigrants, would raise the deficit, not add net-revenues.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:01 am
omg you mean to tell me that someone posting if you dont like it you can leave is not aggressive and posting facts. I am so glad I dont live your your hate filled world.... LOL

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:08 am
Anyone who does not like the system of government of a non-fascist country is free to relocate to any country willing to take them--a factual statement, not aggressive at all.
Please cease the personal hate-filled attacks that add nothing to threads, are not topical and not in keeping with the rules governing participation on this site.

Jae A (316)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:10 am
Interesting read....

As rapidly as things have changed in nearly all levels in this nation,almost daily...over the past dozen years especially, I find it difficult to think about what things, in general, will be like in 2023,much less what the end results will be when it comes to these figures.Only time, will tell the math,so to say.

We often shoot for the stars only to end up in Omaha ...but at least we can say we tried.

Fact is, we must 'figure' this one out a.s.a.p. ,for everyones sake.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:25 am
Correction--war and pentagon spending increases and tax avoidance account for entire deficit Stephen.

Excellent refocus on what is important Jae.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 12:29 pm
Correction, where did I smear anything, I made a personal feeling on a post not trusting any government that says here are facts based on our own research to support something we are doing. Then someone post a comment saying if you dont like it you can leave, So clear up something for me, Who was the aggressor? Or maybe its that my beliefs do not fit the views of some, so in order to make your self feel better you post that I am aggressive. Come on really. I see its not only the right thats full of do it my way or the highway..

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 12:36 pm
" I belief is that anything that affects this country as a whole should be voted on by the people." Is completely not the US constitution or system of government. There are immigrants and refugees all over the world that made that choice because of not liking the system of government in their homeland--and some of them came from the US.

Many people find trying to defend poor or disrespectful behavior, like their unwarranted personal attacks, digs the hole deeper rather than resolving unless they are willing to make the apology all others deserve.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 12:55 pm
Exactly, my point my belief. You attacked my post by saying you and family can leave, I never attacked you. This country has starving children right here right now. How do we solve that? There are so many things affecting this country that every time a hat drops its another cause. At some point we have to start solving the problems that are before us before we can take on more. Yes I do believe that something that affects everyone living in this country should be voted on by the people. That would be true Democracy. I have no desire to stop immigration i just believe legal is legal, and illegal is illegal. Do you think Americans should be arrested for sneaking into MEXICO?

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 1:00 pm
Oh and a question, so if I dont believe in that because as you said the Constitution. Then you totally agree that the 2nd amendment is true and correct. and that the law of the land is if you are here illegally you have committed a crime and therefore you are a criminal and therefore you must be deported. All in the Constitution

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 1:06 pm
I highlighted one statement that shows readers what might bias the rest of the comment and provided a factual option that many choose--not an attack at all, except perhaps in a mind motivated to try get others to attack.
I would welcome your apology to all readers for making this thread be about you instead of the topic and your unwarranted personal attacks.

Now, comments focused on effective immigration reform based on factual evidence and the economic benefits of it will receive responses--further off topic personal tangents will be reported if attacks included.
This thread is not about the second amendment.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 1:20 pm
Report away. You brought up the constitution and I brought up subjects in the constitution, You attacked my post. If you choose to use the term attack then go for it.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 1:39 pm
Definition of attack (v)

Bing Dictionary
[ ə ták ]

harm using violence: to use violence to try to harm somebody or to defeat an enemy or capture an enemy position
criticize somebody or something: to subject somebody or something to strong or vehement criticism
infect somebody or damage something: to cause an infection, illness, or damage in somebody or something
Readers will easily determine what has been attacks from those that have not been. Now to again try to return this thread from the hijacking to other topics :

Immigration Reform Would Save Uncle Sam $197 Billion Over Next 10 Years
Comments on this topic will be welcomed.


Kit B (276)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 2:01 pm

When the CBO made those ten year projections, they did so with a warning that ten year projections are fraught with massive possibilities for irregularities, inconsistencies and the probability of being just wrong. That was done only because the republicans demanded the CBO give those ten year projections.

Tim, this thread is very clearly about one topic. Try and read the article before your unnecessary and fully illogical rants.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 2:04 pm
Thanks for the on-topic comment providing some of the context people may have missed Kit. You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 2:44 pm
And again Kit I will say, I do not trust a government report, projection of this topic when this is the exact same topic they are pushing to reform. How many times has the numbers or reports from both parties been changed and or polished to sell a one sided argument. I have seen other reports from non party agencies that say it will cost millions of dollars. How many programs have been pushed by government saying it will cost x amount then cost 100s or 1000s of times more.

jan b (5)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:09 pm
Reform should mean ....not add any more than necessary. We are overpopulated now....don't have enough good jobs for American Citizens. There comes a point we have to be honest about what we can do and what we can't do.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:12 pm
This costs less than current at worst--and all unbiased researchers agree will actually provide economic benifits and improve the budget situation--the only actual question is how huge an amount it'll save/increase revenues prove to be (no doubt it is significant by credible researchers).

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:37 pm
Sources all across the political spectrum along with varied economic theories alignments with same bottom line of cost benefits of the reform:

Sole other voice:
Today, the Heritage Foundation released a report that attempts to assess the fiscal costs associated with legalizing the 11 million unauthorized individuals living in the United States. The new report is similar to a 2007 study, which was widely criticized at the time of publication and continues to be refuted today by conservatives like Republican budget hawk Paul Ryan, former head of the Congressional Budget Office under President Bush, Douglas Holtz-Eaken, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist and the libertarian Cato Institute. In addition, the Bi-Partisan Policy Institute’s Immigration Task Force (which includes Condoleeza Rice and Haley Barbour) remarked on the report after its release noting, “we strongly believe that this study’s modeling and assumptions are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the many contributions that an appropriately reformed immigration system can afford our economy and our country.” - See more at:

. (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:50 pm
Don't forget J. that we only have 1/3 of the US population and the same ratio to cities. Secondly we are trying to get a handle on immigration reform; retraining programs and health care. The manufacturing base that used to comprise 49% of the GDP in our countries has been lost due to high union wages and benefit programs; high taxation; globalization and outsourcing to name a few. How do you compete with countries that pay workers a pittance? So yes Canada is wary of just opening our doors to the human flood. Lastly the parameters up here are quite different to the US. We don't have the huge surplus population that comes from Mexico and Central America. We certainly have a healthy Latino population as we do Korean, Chinese, Muslim and Jews to name but a few. I think overall we have a healthy immigration but the situation as I said is quite different form 1976.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:56 pm
Thank you Michael for adding much of the context for the changing elements of North American economic foundations. The proposed US reform does not just open the doors to the human flood either.
You cannot currently send a star to Michael because you have done so within the last day.

Tim M (0)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 4:53 pm
Ok Michael here is a question, How do we take in more when we have a surplus of unemployed, struggling with what is a over priced education system (college) while trying to figure out how to train a work force for tomorrow. Our health care system is under attack to be reformed. So we add more to that burden as well. We will soon have the baby boomers retiring so they will draw social security as well as have a greater demand on health care. Unless wait a minute, the whole plan is to make a new economic slave base to fund all this. This will close a temporary spending gap. Hiding government incompetence in spending. All under the cloak of reform. Hmmm na surly that is not the reason.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 4:57 pm
This proposal does not add any costs and provides more revenues as all of the research shows (for those that actually bother with facts)-so please readers feel free to ignore the taking thread off-track and off-topic comment that precedes this one asking questions that have already been answered if article and other resources read.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 6:32 pm
Tim M. posted this on another thread he's behaved similarly on--does anyone else wonder why if he had such information he never used any of it when posting?
Tim M.. left a comment on the following article:
Faces of the Budget: Student Aid and Student Debt

Thank you very much, today you have proven a point that my partner and I wanted to make. Today was game day in the house so we have 2 other couples here. I proved our point that if anyone has a difference of opinion that they are not as welcome to point out personal view points. This is the face of the New America. Prior to this I down loaded and printed 150 pages of different figures on this subject as well as immigration. To prove one simple point. No one knows how the immigration reform will cost or not cost. Everyone is playing a guessing game. On the subject of education. No one is sure how to pay for it, how far we are willing to let government to get involved or how to regulate what is needed verses what is not. Every person has a valued opinion however some refuse to discuss anything that differs from their point of view. Numbers and statics can be altered to maintain ones individual or collective goals. Until the day comes that open discussion is welcome nothing changes. Many blessings have a great night. Now back to history channel and capitalist monopoly game. "

Seems like disrespectful behavior that is pretty rude to me when we were trying to guide him to making on-topic relevant and respectful comments as is expected.

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:57 am
All Western countries have issues with immigration. Mostly economic migrants.

The West needs to learn to share more; to increase foreign aid, to pay fairly for its imports (i.e,. Fairtrade)...

One man's greed is another man's poverty.

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JL A (281)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:52 am
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Robert K (31)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:04 pm
Well Tim, government reports may or may not be believed, but in a case such as this, there is no reason for obfuscation by the absolutely non-partisan CBO, but in any case where there is no major corporate influence in the government report, the government is far more likely to be correct than in any corporate statement about anything.

It's a sad thing when you can't trust reports unequivocally, but that's life.

Robert K (31)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:12 pm
Also Tim, you're ignoring the fact that so many jobs have been offshored that there is some truth to what you say as far as jobs available. There is a simple answer to the problem, get out of all trade organizations, put a tariff on everything imported that was previously made here equal to 150% of the difference in cost of making it here or overseas. As far as Social Security, that is the one and only place a flat tax is fair and should be instituted ASAP. If that is done and we last that long, SS would be fully funded for at least 10 million years.

If conservatives had no say in the running of the nation, the nation would never have a hard to fix problem. Conservatives ARE the problem, liberals are the solution.

JL A (281)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:21 pm
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