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Domestic Surveillance Scandal Underscores Need for Transparency


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JL
- 434 days ago - citizensforethics.org
The rapidly unfolding domestic surveillance scandal underscores the need for greater transparency, particularly with respect to the executive branch's interpretation and application of federal law and Congress' ability to engage in oversight.



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JL A. (275)
Friday June 21, 2013, 3:38 pm
Quote from article:
"We do not yet know the extent and nature of the governmentís activities. Even while some matters may need to be kept secret, it is clear the publicís need to know has not been given sufficient weight. Itís time to clear the air. Only with real transparency can we have the discussion about national security President Obama now claims to welcome."
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:24 pm

I do mean to make light of the current mess of spying, but it is difficult to find a time in history when people did not want more transparency in government. Governments spy on people, that's a given, we know that we have known about the current situation, even some of the growth. NDAA was certainly the pathway for more intrusion by our government into our privacy. We choose ignore what we feel incapable of changing or controlling.

I hope we do have a national dialogue. I hope people make unwavering demands of each elected official, I just think it will all be rather superficial. With the release of information by Snowden, the immediate reaction by the public, Congress should have been all over this. They are not, the logical conclusion, they already knew. Sure, we will hear a continued stream of plausible deniability, and why we have to use these techniques to fight the dreaded terrorist. For most, I suspect that answer will suffice, and the immediate reaction will soon become grumbles. It does bother me to think that soon this will fade into the back pages and be nothing more than fodder for the conspiracy lunatics. We as a united people, willing to ignore differences in party allegiances, would have to take it upon ourselves to fight this to a bitter end. It is possible just not too plausible.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:25 pm

Of course I meant " I do not mean to make light...." not really a typo so much as trying to edit in that tiny box.
 

JL A. (275)
Friday June 21, 2013, 5:40 pm
Another factor might be that no one in Congress who knew had the moral fortitude to challenge it and now it is too late for them. I hope enough continues coming out that it doesn't just get swept under the carpet.
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Kit B. (276)
Friday June 21, 2013, 6:25 pm

One lone voice in the wilderness, Senator Ron Wyden, Oregon. I do give him credit and praise.
 

JL A. (275)
Friday June 21, 2013, 6:29 pm
Joined in the House by Alan Grayson.You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Friday June 21, 2013, 7:55 pm
We need to star dealing with reality. This technology has been around for some time. Secrets are necessary for the nation to survive. This nation has enemies. If another 9/11 happens then what? Snowden is a naive idiot. If anyone thinks that information is not power is living in the 1st century. If anyone was surprised they have not been paying attention. Worse the police will start to want this technology. NSA has no domestic police authority but if the police obtain this and there is no reason they won't it is over.
 

Helen Porter (40)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:20 am
Most of these problems have always been. But this is the Age of Aquarius, of brotherhood and sisterhood.

Earth is one family. What affects Indonesia affects USA.

We are dragging things out of the closet and saying, "We're going to do something about this."

There must be a great deal of Scorpio influence because we are either being very, very good or very very
bad.

I am the fabulous phoenix.
From my own ashes I rise.
I destroy myself
but to live again
more beautiful in your eyes.

by me
 

Kerrie G. (135)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 4:19 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Carol D. (109)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 6:13 am
Big brother is watching us all the time thats for sure Just came up in the UK news its been happening here too well thats a surprise

noted thanks
 

JL A. (275)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:30 am
You are welcome Kerrie and Carol.
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Angelika R. (146)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 9:57 am
Jl-you hope enough continues coming out..well, with the newly added GCHQ scandal of Uk looks like your wish came true, hu? However, this Brits scandal could distract from the NSA one and things might just go quiet again..
 

Gene Jacobson (251)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:01 am
"We do not yet know the extent and nature of the governmentís activities. Even while some matters may need to be kept secret, it is clear the publicís need to know has not been given sufficient weight. Itís time to clear the air. Only with real transparency can we have the discussion about national security President Obama now claims to welcome."

I have made very clear to my two Senator's and my republican representative my displeasure at their, what seems to me, cavalier attitude towards MY constitutional rights. I've said it before and it bears saying again, transparency in government is the mark of a free people. If you cannot do what you are doing in the light of day, but must keep it hidden from the people, then it is likely something you should not be doing. This certainty for me goes all the way back to Nixon when I was just a pup myself.

I don't object to the governments protecting our country, that is their role. But I strenuously object to it being done in the dark of night. It is not enough, for me, that some members of Congress were "briefed". If you must monitor systems and traffic to ferret out plots, do so, but tell me. That doesn't help the "bad guys", they already know you're looking for them, and their communications options are limited, so use the tools you have to find them, including the old fashioned tools in spy novels, but tell us you are doing so. They will still have to pass information between themselves and you have many and powerful tools to spot and interrupt them, even stop them. We know, and so do they, how powerful satellite imagery is. They can't hide what they do or are up to completely, good law enforcement and security tradecraft will always win in the end. It doesn't have to be a secret that governments are doing this, not at all. We already assume you are. So don't lie to the people, don't think us too stupid to see the necessity, inform us as is your duty and your obligation to those who voted you into office and endowed you with this power. Anything less is insulting and more akin to a dictatorial police state than a free society. It won't hurt your operations and it will engender confidence in your ability to do the RIGHT thing among the people you serve. So stop hiding, tell the truth all the time to everyone, we'll all be the better, and safer, for that.
 

JL A. (275)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 10:34 am
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Thanks for the distillation of the transparency and honesty aspect of the issue Gene.
 

Birgit W. (144)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 12:59 pm
Very good article, thanks.
 

JL A. (275)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 1:54 pm
You are welcome Birgit
 

Debra Tate (17)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 2:59 pm
Noted!
Only with real transparency can we have the discussion about national security President Obama now claims to welcome. YEA RIGHT! He only welcomes ideas from the Muslims. as he has shown repeatedly!
 

Deborah W. (6)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:15 pm
Ya think ...
 

Micheael Kirkbym (85)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:37 pm
Sorry Zee but processional math indicates we are still in the Age of Pisces.
If GCHQ1 is the coming norm. then some higher power had better help us because our compromised politicians certainly won't.
 

JL A. (275)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:39 pm
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David Menard (43)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:32 am
It underscores the fact that the US is now a neo-fascist police/surveilance state run by cor(pirate) wall st billionaires in alliance with radical right theocrats and tbaggers brown shirts is probably the most accurate blanket description.
 

JL A. (275)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 7:30 am
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Sergio Padilla (62)
Monday July 1, 2013, 5:53 pm
Thanks
 

JL A. (275)
Monday July 1, 2013, 8:49 pm
you are welcome Sergio
 
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