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Battle Of The Beagles


Animals  (tags: Animal Activists, ANIMALEXPERIMENTS, cruelty, AnimalWelfare )


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In case you hadn't heard, FBI Deputy Assistant Director John Lewis has identified the number one domestic terrorist threat to the U.S. and it's not radical Muslims. Or right-wing paramilitary types. Or gun-toting pro-lifers. Nope, guess again It's anima



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colleen o. (200)
Monday May 14, 2007, 11:03 pm
I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY PICKS UP ON THIS AND TAKES THE TIME TO FORWARD TO THEIR ASSOCIATES AND ALSO MANAGE TO GET IT OUT IN THEIR PERSONAL MAIL BOXES AS WELL.
 

Catman P. (923)
Monday May 14, 2007, 11:29 pm
I think Mr. Lewis needs to go after real criminals and real terrorist threats instead of wasting his time and our money attacking innocent activists.
 

Mark F. (302)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 12:43 am
Yeah, I feel really threatened by people who love animals. Those people who take their religion and use it as an excuse for violence, yeah, those are the peace makers.
 

colleen o. (200)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 12:48 am
YEAH, RIGHT ON MARK. THAT IS WHY MOST OF MY POSTINGS I ALSO FILE UNDER RELIGION, BEING A DEVOUT ATHEIST, BECAUSE IT, RELIGION, IS SUCH A FRIGGING JOKE.
 

Jeffrey Allen (147)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 12:56 am
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AMEN! Thank you for posting this story, Eleni! My we all be very clear. The fight for the right of ALL animals to a free life, unencumbered by man, is a righteous and peaceful revolution we willingly undertake... that will not go away! Just like the fight to end slavery... just like the fight for women's rights... just like any fight for what is innately right!
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Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 1:14 am
That exactly right Jeffery, and that is why I believe within my heart that animals will have the rights that they deserve, the right to live a free life, no matter what. These tactics will only make for a more united and stronger movement.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 1:54 am
Eleni,
"These tactics will only make for a more united and stronger movement."
I think you are wrong about the "only" part of this. Our government has been using these tactics for years, I'm not sure why they are attacking Animal-Activists, but they have a reason. This story will have a negative impact, people are easily manipulated, and if they have even the slightest negative view to start with, this story will feed their emotions, and without ever looking into any facts people will believe this, not just about a few activists, but about all. You are under attack by the people I'm fighting against, trust me when I say they have studied what they are doing, manipulating opinion is a refined art for these people.

I know from an earlier post that you told me you don't care what is going on with people, and we are a virus. I agree with the fact we are a virus, but we are a virus that is here to stay. People abuse animals, control the media, and are influenced, including abuse to animals, by what our governments do, it all ties together. A fight against corruption helps your causes. War desensitizes people to violence, that leads to violence in the streets, homes schools, everywhere, and includes animals. Animal abuse is a first sign of an abusive environment, that means, the animals pay the price first.

Please take the time to look at the story I posted about getting to the root of abuse. The comment section is more important than the site, so please comment, we need everyones input. I wrote that story because of what you said to me. Right now the story is focusing on how you can get other people behind your cause. Check it out, preaching to the choir isn't getting us anywhere, we need to reach other people.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 3:05 am
Before I go off and read your story I will answer your comment, James. Firstly I agree with you that people are easily manipulated and brainwashed if they weren't they wouldn't be eating the animals, as they are led to believe that we are meant to do so and that's it good for them, that said. The AR movement is about passion, its about willingness to sacrifice, its about people like Captain Watson who are willing to die for their cause, its about truth and justice and that is what I meant about the movement becoming stronger and more united. I was talking about the AR movement and you cannot feed their emotions, you cannot manipulate them.

When you try to oppress, a passion like this one you will only make them stronger and more united. Oppression, doesn't work, it might look as if it does for a while but in the long run it will fail and the movement will come out on top. You cannot oppress the truth it always come out.

Yes they will manipulate people and people could very well go against the AR but the world is a changing all the time and faster than ever and the internet is where the information is and where the truth is to be found. The AR movement is growing as we speak, because as you say "animal abuse is a first sign of an abusive environment, that means, the animals pay the price first" and people are seeing this and they don't want it. And don't forget people are becoming very aware of govts they are realizing you don't trust them. On the other hand there are people moving into govt positions who are AR believers.

James we are reaching other people, it may not look that way, but we are bit by bit and every bit counts.

Let me tell you a story about the Greek people. They were occupied by the Turks for 400years and were oppressed. They were not allowed to read and write Greek nor practice their so called religion. The Greeks took it underground and taught their children to read and write Greek and they did this for 400years. Do the Greeks still read and write Greek? Yes, they do. Example my mother, Greek born in Egypt, finished the French high school but guess what she reads and write ancient Greek. How about that? I think I made my point here.

As to why the govts are attacking the AR, the reason is in this article.

I would like to check out your story that you posted about getting to the root of abuse if you would give the URL.

 

Alf I. (246)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 3:57 am
By targetting the lawful and peaceful demonstrators the animal rights movement will only become stronger and more radical! First they ridiculed us now they are fighting us. Things are coming to a head and when the chips are down we will see where public opinion turns.....
 

JeZa Shobo (284)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 4:00 am
oh-its a biiiig bullshit!

Guys-I am defendig young children on serbian streets too- little girls are followed by maniacs- and no one is protecting them- little boys are being beaten up for pair of shoes- and no one ever got into fight to protect them- I DID!! AND I STILL DO!! EVERY DAY- our parks are full of junkies- drugs and alcohol is all over the place- and who is going against it- ME AND MY FRIENDS!!! ANIMAL ACTIVISTS!

WHY-?? BECAUSE OTHERS ARE JUST %#&!*% SCARED IDIOTS- THEY CAN FEEL POWER ONLY WWHEN THEY HAVE A GUN!! I HAVE MY FISTS AND MY ENOURMOUS ENERGY- AND IM AFRAID OF NO ONE! AS IM DOING THE RIGHT THING-

PRESS AND PROPAGANDA IS OUR MAJOR ENEMY- AND THATS WHY WE NEED TO HAVE MORE NEWSPAPERS AND TV STATIONS THAT BELONGS TO AR ACTIVISTS- HOW ELESE TO TRANSMIT OUR MESSAGE??

OPEN OUR TV STATION, OUR NEWSPAPERS, OUR RADIO SATATIONS--

THAT IS THE ONLY KEY- LIKE THIS WE ARE ONLY WASTING OUR TIME

WE NEED OUT TV STATIONS - WE NEED TO TRANSMIT OUR MESSAGE!

P.S. (does anyone knows any rich person to do that for animals, and for kids and for future???)


 

Erika S. (799)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 4:02 am
It's tough when heartless people exist in this world. It makes the fight so much tougher.
 

JeZa Shobo (284)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 4:35 am
Collen sent me this yestreday:
Ill post only this paragraph:(as it suits this sutiation)

Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation", or SLAPP, is a phrase coined by US researchers to describe a class of lawsuit that seems designed more to silence public criticism than to receive legitimate compensation. The researchers state: "In contrast to most litigation, the SLAPP suit is brought, not to resolve a problem, but to remove a controversy from the political arena..." As the target of one SLAPP suit stated: "The law of defamation is supposed to protect people's reputations from unfair attack. In practice its main effect is to hinder free speech and protect powerful people from scrutiny. Defamation actions and threats to sue for defamation are often used to try to silence those who criticize people with money and power
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 6:28 am
This Story has gone front page within 5 hours and has not been recognized as such by Care2. This is the 4th story of mine that has gone front page and not been acknowledged by Care2.
 

OFFLINE S. (126)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:23 am
We can thank Senator Feinstein of California and Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma for this stupid legislation. The article says they won't touch Peta or the HSUS since they have the big bucks to defend themselves but they are resorting to picking on the "little guys" who they admit don't have the resources to defend themselves.
This is taking our rights as American citizens away. All I have to say is GOOOOO ALF AND SHAC. This law makes me support them more and more! We need to keep writing our senators and get this law repealed. The average "little joe" can make a difference! This is protecting the "criminals", those who test on animals, etc.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:29 am
Animal activists—perhaps more committed, focused, and willing to sacrifice for their cause than any other grassroots social justice movement today in the U.S.—are not going away. The Bush administration’s response to their issues has been as much a farce and a failure as it has been in the Middle East.

This is the last paragraph in the news story, and my favorite part of the article. What a MAROOON, that Bushler is.
 

Samantha O. (374)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:36 am
Terrorism begins at home just ask george w.he has perfected it to an art form. If objecting to debauched,gratuitous cruelty is a form of terrorism......! I ask you My God PLEASE save us from the insanity and greed that is the American government and stop them from infecting the whole world with their paronoia and fear.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:44 am
Kudos to Nick. He hit the nail on the head.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 1:03 pm
Eleni, here is the link, Getting to the roots of abuse
The comments are what is important, I kinda strayed from the subject title, but it is OK. I am addressing goal oriented progress, right now. This is only a very small part of what I have to contribute to your cause, I'll be adding more to the story, so check back every few days, I will announce when I'm done commenting on it.

To elaborate on goals a little before you check out the link...
You will probably have quite a few goals in what you are doing, everybody does, some defined, others maybe not. The most important goal I think you have is to stop the abuse. An undefined goal may be to sway others to your way of thinking, this is a way of achieving your main goal.

Let me give a completely ridiculous hypothetical situation, to explain what I'm saying. Lets say the other half, people who don't care about animals, in fact despise them, hate them, truly want the worst for all animals. That would be a pretty bad situation for the animals.Your main goal is to end the abuse. Now lets say I could convince the other half that animals truly enjoyed being abused, and could not stand comfortable living. Very ridiculous hypothetical situation but follow me here. So the other half believes the best way to really make these animals suffer like they want them to, is to provide them with a great and long life, and that is what they do. Now this goes completely against the reasons you have for ending abuse, but achieves the main goal. Now lets get back to reality.

I have to explain, I don't agree with some of the things you believe, and I never will, I'm not a vegetarian, because I like meat, this will never change. Pick your battles, preferably feasible ones. The important thing to note is that I oppose factory farming, but only partly because of the abuse, and if it were an issue of abuse only, I would still eat factory farmed meat. Now understand, my reasoning for refusing factory farmed meat is different than yours, but it achieves one of your goals, I'm not supporting that industry. There are millions of people, that you can reach that will never view the world though your eyes, but given the reasons they are effected by, will change their habits and achieve some of your goals. The trick is to understand what motivates other people. People are my subject, because every thing we will ever do, will most likely be effected by people.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 1:06 pm
noted/thanks
 

Theresa Chartrand (67)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 5:30 pm
noted!
 

Sharon D. (91)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:46 pm
Noted.
 

Jennie B. (14)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 7:51 pm
James, here is what makes sense about your approach. I agree with you that people who are apathetic, disinterested, or just busy with their lives so they don't "think" about what's happening with animals-these are the majority of people, I think, in the U.S. They decide who A.R. are by what they hear on the news which at this point is leaning right and isn't accurate. That's one problem. The other is as you indicated, they may never see animals as the #1 issue in the world or their lives as A.R. do...they may love animals or "like" them, care at a distance, but not have the money, the time (if they work fulltime, have children, etc.) and haven't made animals#1 in their lives and are put off by the idea that either they go "all the way" and go Vegan or they have to commit 100% when that is not their path in life...it isn't realistic to expect that of everyone. Not everyone will watch the films, or be impressed with viiolence against labs especially when it is twisted by the media or understand the passion of AR unless the people who love animals this intensely explain it to them calmly, reasonably on the level THEY can understand...not condescendly, but as if you were talking w/a different audience than other A.R. people because you are in that case and you want them to HEAR you and CARE and HELP. The Message needs to be one they are willing to hear, non-threatening and where they will hear it...not second hand through our lousy mainstream media and most of the public only listens to FOX, CNN or maybe MSNBC....and that's reality. That's why there's such a gap between how AR is seen by the public even though most people "love" animals if asked iin any setting...it's about making conenctions not enemies with people you want to win over....I'm of course not talking about the crazy loons who actually abuse animals-those are another matter entirely....Noted
 

Pam P. (65)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 8:57 pm
Noted !!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 15, 2007, 10:19 pm
Jennie, thats exactly it, people are the way they are, and we have to be able to deal with the way they are, but we need to be able to achieve our goals, and we have an image to project. We need to be mostly just chiseling away at it for now, a lot of people are not ready to change, so we need to get every one we can.

People listen to what Jennie is saying, and look at the opportunity we have here.

What excites me is how powerful and new the internet is, and what we have here at care2. To get things accomplished, you need people that are motivated to do something. Care2 has motivated people. We also have our own audience to test our abilities. This set up for presenting and promoting news is pretty cool, but we can use it as a very powerful tool, for the next level. We just need to be organized,with think tank groups to refine the message and expand our target audiences. We have a test platform with millions of members. If we can develop better communication as a whole group we could rely on millions to sign a petitions, launch a letter campaign, or even sweep the whole blogsphere with a united message.

Unite care2, pick your leaders, organize your group, be a very powerful AR group. We have 8+ separate groups at care2, we need them all, they all have a similar root problem they are working against. They all need you, it's an easy rule that we all know, united we stand, divided we fall. I'm tired of falling, how about the rest of you?
 

JeZa Shobo (284)
Wednesday May 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
we must stop being on internet so much-
this care2 should be a place 4 us to meet-exchange numbers and meet in person- and as offten as we can to have meetings in personal- and then together t go on streets.
to have public meetings, and tribinas- where inteligent public speakers can attract more people

forming our nespapers and demos- talking with people on streets.
we cant blame others for not knowing the truth- but we can blame us for not telling them.

radio and Tv stations- but in our possesion- to broadcast what we want.
 

Alf I. (246)
Thursday May 17, 2007, 11:09 am
Even non animal rights people should be up in arms about this as it is just the first step to a big brother state where anyone who dares to speak out against the status quo will be penalized.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 17, 2007, 6:19 pm
Alf is absolutely right about that, everyone needs to be concerned about this.

The fine line between being an extremist and being a suspected extremist, puts anyone with a cause in danger. With the ignorant stereotypes spread on the right, opposing the war makes you a pot smoking hippie, and a tree huger, and now that makes you a suspected extremist, which is the same as a terrorist.
Off to Guantanamo!... Don't worry they can only hold an innocent man until the war on terror is over.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Sunday May 20, 2007, 10:32 am
Are all the RepubliCON animal rights qactivists on Care2 reading this article?

Throw the RepubliCON$ out of government for good!
 
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