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URGENT - Please Sign: Give the Black Hills Back to the Sioux


Society & Culture  (tags: rights, American Indians, Sioux, Lakota, Black Hills, South Dakota, US theft, General Custer, Gold rush, the heart of all that is, Cante Wamakaognake, auction, rights, treaty, law, US Congress, President Obama, Dana Lone Hill )

Susan
- 758 days ago - thepetitionsite.com
The Sioux want to buy back their Black Hills, "the heart of all that is" before it's auctioned off on Aug. 25 for development. They urgently need our help to save it from becoming yet another wasteland. http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland



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Mm M. (455)
Friday August 17, 2012, 9:34 pm
Thank you so much Susan for doing this Petition. They should have this Land ABSOLUTELY SIGNED and will forward with a piece of my heart involved in this petition!

Never enough stars for you! xx
 

. (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 12:37 am
very happy to help Sioux Nation, instantly signed
ty Susan and Marilyn for fw
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 5:01 am
They shouldn't have to buy, give what is theirs. Noted/signed/thanks
 

Joe R. (189)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 5:34 am
Signed and noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 6:33 am
Olivia, You signed on August 18, 2012.
Your signature has been delivered to:
US Congress and President Obama
Thanks so much for creating and posting
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 6:43 am
I just put your petition in as a suggested daily action...maybe other people can do the same.
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (228)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 7:17 am
S & N! If this land belongs to them then by God let's make sure it is given back to them!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 7:29 am
TU Susan, signed and also suggested your post/petition as a daily action.
 

Milkah Savage (277)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:16 am
Gladly signed
 

Alice C. (1797)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:27 am
Signed ~ Thank you Susan.
 

Danuta Watola (1198)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:42 am
done
 

Tom Tree (254)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:45 am
ABSOLUTELY SIGNED

Thank you for the article ...
 

Michela m. (3925)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:05 am
S&N
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:22 am
Thank you signed
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:23 am
Thank you Susan V. for making a petition, I signed it from my news site that you left it on. Blessings to you.

Please go to the link below to find out others ways you can help. There are direct links to videos, donation sites if you can help that way, addresses to mail a donation, pay pal, credit card, and most importantly also please let as many as you can know of this, time is running out.
LINK TO HELP PE SLA IN THE BLACK HILLS
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:12 am
Petition signed.

The USA stole the land from the Sioux in the first place. The USA should give the land, sacred ancestral home back to the Sioux immediately.
.etition signed.

Ty, Susan.
.
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:34 am
thanks Susan for posting this petition i GLADLY signed and will share this sickens me havent they had enough stripped from them? And thank Dandelion for the link noted
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:36 am
Sorry in my anger at this i forgot to thank my friend Marilyn for messaging me to let me know about this
 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:51 am
Lovely petition. Happily signed. Thank you Susan for the great work you do. I am grateful dear Olivia for the forward.
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 3:10 pm

Signed - thanks
 

Elizabeth O. (87)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 3:31 pm
Signed.
 

Mm M. (455)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 3:58 pm
Thank you to all of my friends that I forwarded both Dandelions news, as well as Susan's petition for signing...I know a ton of you signed and noted...I am so blessed with treasures! Thanks so much - typing with wet eyes...
 

Janice P. (51)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 4:47 pm
I have signed this petition and included the following brief, but to-the-point, comment.

"I see no reason to impose tragedy upon tragedy upon this land and the people to whom it is sacred. I strongly support returning this land to the people to whom it rightly belongs, the Sioux. In the name of all that is fair and decent, please return it to them."
 

Val R. (241)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 4:47 pm
Noted, signed and shared.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 7:30 pm
When the Sioux refused, Congress repealed the treaty and stole 40 million acres.

++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHAT? Where are their lawyers?

Oh...signed, of course.
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 7:46 pm
Pam,
The way I understand it is that they didn't take the money because they want the land - not the money.
After all, the gov't tried to buy it 100 years ago and they said NO -- so the gov't took it ----- trying to buy it again 100 years later really isn't correcting the wrong.

The didn't want the land to be in the hands of those they knew would harm it -- If they accepted the money, it would be saying they accepted giving up the land - and they do not accept that.

Though it IS confusing -- Seems if they took the money, they could buy the land they want now, but apparently the offer is not still open.

This would take some research. Or maybe just contact someone from their website:
http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?a=1059340
 

Erin R. (168)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 8:30 pm
signed
 

Marie W. (65)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 8:50 pm
signed
 

samantha l (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:17 pm
Signed!
 

Nimue P. (243)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:28 pm
S&N
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:50 pm
Thanks so much all of you for getting this to the front page news!

I've sent the petition and a letter to 30 senators already (not fun filling out all those forms) and called Sanders and another to make them aware of the Urgency. I also sent it to President Obama.

If any of you have time - please contact your Representatives and send them either the petition letter or a link to it. - I have contacted all the Senators (ABC order) through Franken -- and also the SD senators, as well as Patty Murray and Bernie Sanders. Will send out more tomorrow - and leaving some phone messages to make sure they know it's urgent.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

I'm sure if the president decide to declare war, they'd all show up to vote on it -- and this is more important -- declaring peace and restoration.
 

Jerry B. (120)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:00 pm
Signed and Noted..thanks Susan!
 

Fran away F. (111)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:29 pm
Happy to sign and share to help the Sioux Nation buy back this land, although of course it should be returned to them at no cost! Thanks, Susan!
 

Shirley S. (174)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:54 pm
done
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:03 pm
Signed Susan
 

Richelle Rausch (43)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:03 pm
They lost this land not only through greed, but blood and hatred as well. It's time the land was given back to them by those that stoll it and caused them hardship. Thanks Susan
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:35 pm
Signed and hoping for quick action.
 

(0)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:12 am
will sign right away
 

Maura Graham (39)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 1:49 am
Signed. Thank you, Janice for forwarding.
 

. (1)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:28 am
Noted and signed. Thank you Susan.
 

Mariette G. (150)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:27 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Susan and Olivia!
 

John S. (303)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:54 am
Signed..
 

Constance F. (433)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 7:22 am
Thank you ~ Signed ! thank you Olivia for sending.
 

Diane B. (275)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 8:53 am
noted and signed thanks
 

Gabriela C. (103)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 9:14 am
Gladly signed. Thank you Susan! Thank you Olivia for the forward.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 9:21 am
What is the legality of Congress repealing a treaty? Without representation, the Sioux were taken advantage of.
I see this more as a legal issue than a moral one.
 

Betsy Bee (1055)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:20 am
When I hit visit site, I come to the petition. I do not come to a news article that can be verified. Further on an Internet search I cannot find a news article on this issue.

I will not sign this petition. I do not believe it is an issue.

In 1970, Frank Fool's Crow, a Lakota, a Yuwipi Medicine Man and a great nephew of the great spiritual leader, Black Elk, said a prayer in front of the United States Senate. Essentially, his prayer can be distilled as: "The Black Hills are not for sale." After his prayer, the Senate passed a resolution to protect the heart of the Black Hills. Later, the U. S. Congress made this a joint resolution.
 

Betsy Bee (1055)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:31 am
Also in 1970, in The Black Hills, Red Earth Suspreme Court Decision won by former U. S, Attorney General, Ramsay Clark, which would have awarded billions of dollars in damages at interest from violations of a 1868 Treaty, the traditioal Lakota who started this lawsuit, decided not to accept the settlement with the announcement: "The Black Hills are not for sale."

The Black Hills are still protected by the CASE LAW of this Supreme Court decision and by the LEGISLATIVE LAW created by the joint Congressional Resolution.

The legislative law was published int he Federal Register without dissent. The Supreme Court decision will stand until someone proves that the US did not violate their 1868 treaty with the Lakotas which will not and cannot happen.

 

Mm M. (455)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:35 am
Dandelion has a link to the news she posted on this Betsy in her comment above...All of the news is there as were you can help these Native American Keep their land and send donations. This peition was another way that people could help if they couldn't send money. This is a WORTHY CAUSE...If you are not tracking I hope someone get's Dandelions News to you...Sadly when I fowarded both the news and this petition I only did to 50 people and not all of you guys Betsy got the forward. Sorry...Please look above guys...News is there, not just a peititon. It is under DANDELION's Comment ~ Live Link!
 

Mm M. (455)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:38 am
Comment Poof....Guess we were typing at the same time Betsy...News is in Dandelions Comment...Please Look there....News all there.
 

Betsy Bee (1055)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:45 am
If you would like to understand the significance of Frank Fool's Crow to the traditioal Lakotas, refer to the film, Thunderheart, where the character, Chief Reaches, is based on Frank Fool's Crow.

There are even stronger spiritual protections for the heart of the Black Hills. To learn about this spiritual protections, get the 2007 documentary film by Wisdom Way: "Native Spirit and the Sun Dance Way."

Now that Care 2 is 20,000,000 people strong, we should be more judicious about petitions. Millions of signatures to a pertinent petition is power. A flood of unnecessary petitions weakens that power. Susan, I am sorry to say this because you are such a good hearted person.

Try to put the energy behind this petition into lessening the suffering of the Lakota and other native people near the Black Hilla. They are living in deadly poverty. I hope that Dandelion's link can lead you to an opportunity to donate to help these people trapped in poverty.
 

Betsy Bee (1055)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:56 am
Marilyn, I am looking into Dandelion's link right now. Thank you.

I hope that Dandelion, who is native American, can reached her friends who are threatened. This land is protected by laws which have been uncontested for decades.

I am thinking more about the suffering of the native people and their elders and children. We must remember that frome the time the traditions declined the monetary damages awarded by the Supreme Court, the poverty which kills bodies and spirits, has continued with no abatement.
 

Gabriela V. (164)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:58 am
done
 

Seda A. (4)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:28 pm
signed.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:56 pm
PETITION SIGNED AND FORWARDED TO OTHERS.

The land was given to the Sious, then slide out from under by the Feds, and should not be returned to the Sioux immediately, GRATIS AND WITH INTEREST. They have the power, do they have the guts?
 

Emily Drew (88)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 1:24 pm
Signed and noted thank you!
 

Ancil S. (175)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 1:34 pm
Signed and noted! Thanx for sharing!
 

Lisa Neste (699)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 1:52 pm
Lisa, You signed on August 19, 2012.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Obama, US Dept of Interior, Congress
 

Terry V. (30)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:06 pm
S&N THANK YOU!
 

Debbie L. (0)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:21 pm
Signed and noted thanks Debbie
 

DORIS L. (61)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:21 pm
Signed.
 

Sharon F. (0)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:38 pm
Signed. Thanks for the posting. Let us know what happens.
 

Phil R. (29)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 3:39 pm
Thanks Susan and Janet!
 

Vicky P. (463)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:07 pm
Signed and noted
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:19 pm
I donated today despite the fact that I have no income, and my sopn begins college tomorrow. I can not afford to help to feed my own son, but, all of us living beings will be dying of thirst and hunger and heat and flood if we do not respect all that is SACRED NOW.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:21 pm
I came to your post Susan to help gather notes but noticed, you're already on front page-congrats!
And thanks again for posting the petition and for all the incredible efforts you've made in this urgent matter, million stars to you!
I have already signed when I first saw you posted the link in Dande's thread and have donated as well.
Hope Betsy gathered information meanwhile and has done the right thing.
 

Barbara Goheen (0)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:28 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Susan V. (80)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:32 pm
Betsy Bee,

I sent you a list of links to articles on this - one in the Guardian written by Dana Lone Hill
another a video from a tribe member explaining their goal.

Before I posted this link to the petition, another person already posted the story by Dana Lone Hill. I wrote the petition to go with it, in order to ask the gov't to help them buy this land, to further publicize the story and to encourage donations.

I don't know everything about the situation, though I do have a friend who lives on the rez and the conditions there should be no secret to anyone. I have read Bury My Heart and other books and watched documentaries on how the land was taken. I have Catawba and Cherokee ancestry myself. Catawba is a Sioux tribe.

My understanding is that the gov't tried to pay the tribes after gold was discovered in the late1800s, but they never asked for money -- they ask the gov't to keep the treaty and keep prospectors off their land. They don't want money - they want their land. They refused then and they refuse again in 1980 when the gov't again tried to pay instead of giving them back the land.

I don't know how the actual suit was worded, but in the end, as the Guardian article explains, they knew if they took the money, the land could be trashed, basically - they would have no control over this land so sacred to them -- so they refused the money. I am assuming most of this is the land that is now in the gov'ts hands -- part of which Dana Lone Hill camped on as a child and had to pay.

The part they are trying to BUY now is in the hands of private owners - who are auctioning off parts of it.

If they accept the gov't's money, as I understand it, this sacred Pe' Sla, would not be included, and accepting ANY of the money (say, in order to buy Pe' Sla) I would assume would turn the rest of the land over for development.


It seems to me, if the land were in the hands of the rightful owners, they could decide which parts were most important - the ones to keep - and which they could sell to bring needed funds to the suffering tribes. Or they could be the ones charging campers or tourists to areas opened up to tourism. But I am speculating on this.

The piece of land they are trying to obtain now, is in the hands of private owners who were allowing them to meet on the land for sacred events. But now that sacred land will be auctioned, and a road is planned to go through it, and it will not be the same, unless the tribes have control of it. So they want to buy it - or as much as they can of it at auction.

The history I know, the recent articles, and the appeals have convinced me to donate and spend a lot time spreading the word about this upcoming auction and the combined Sioux nations' plea for help.

Sorry you don't see it that way, but I don't see how you missed these articles on a search:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-18/black-hills-sale-sioux-tribes/57130396/1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10397995

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/16/sioux-campaign-buy-back-black-hills

http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?a=1059340
 

Susan V. (80)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:40 pm
Yvette, if you don't mind - why don't you send us a PO Box if you have one and let all who can send you a dollar or more as well.

or a pay pal? A lot of us are struggling, but some of us need it more than others right now. I'd be glad to help. Send me a message or note here if you know a way we can.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:52 pm
Susan, for further detailed info check out SCOTUS Court Case US v. Sioux Nation
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 4:54 pm
Very glad to sign. Noted. Much thanks, Susan!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 5:01 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Susan because you have done so within the last week.

I'd be glad to also help Yvette, but a PO Box won't do for me from overseas, PP would be perfect.
 

Susan V. (80)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 6:11 pm
Anyone who has questions may get answers by contacting these tribe members below (email contacts at the very bottom) - also info on donating.

Help save Pe’ Sla, the Heart of the Sioux Nation. Click on this link to make a contribution. Any amount given, no matter how small, is appreciated: http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?a=1006191

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe is working with LastRealIndians.com to accept donations from both Tribes and individuals who want to join in keeping religious freedoms for Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people alive and intact at Pe’ Sla. Send contributions to: Rosebud Sioux Tribe/Pe Sla, 11 Legion Ave., P.O. Box 430, Rosebud, SD 57570 or online with LRI at: www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland. All donations to the tribe are tax-deductible and will only be used toward the purchase of Pe’ Sla.
Contact Info:
Lastrealindians, Inc.
4265 45th Street S Ste 111-39
Fargo, North Dakota 58104
Phone: (605) 268-0434
Email: cankudutawin@gmail.com
Email: chaseironeyes@gmail.com
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 6:42 pm
Glaring typo needing correction ...

should NOW be returned.

Dorry 'bout that!

 

Alison A. (234)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 6:56 pm
Signed and noted, thanks Susan.
 

Mary T. (186)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 7:50 pm
Thanks Susan, I have signed and shared this petition and have also donated what I could to help Pe’ Sla, the Heart of the Sioux Nation yesterday.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 8:20 pm
Hey, here's a great idea! The Sioux keep the land - and we employ the whole tribe as replacements for the EPA! Finally, environmental decisions made by a people who lived for millennia in the nation without destroying everything they touched!
 

Kim O. (399)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 9:46 pm
Noted and signed! Thanks Susan!
 

Henriette Matthijssen (145)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:07 pm
Signed, Thanks Susan for posting, Mary T. for the forward.
 

desanka sandulovic (388)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:12 pm
Done! TY Susan and Martina for the forward.
 

Esther Z. (101)
Sunday August 19, 2012, 11:00 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Lori Mabry (18)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:34 am
It seems only right that their land be given back to them.I taught for 3 yrs on the rez in Timberlake S.D....The Lakota are a proud people and continue to be forced to be left with almost nothing.Fortunately they have their traditions..but I firmly believe that the forth coming generations deserve more and without a fight
 

Edo R. (71)
Monday August 20, 2012, 2:47 am
Thanks for sharing!
 

Emma S. (227)
Monday August 20, 2012, 3:10 am
Done! Thanks, Susan.
 

Unnikrishnan Sasidharan (48)
Monday August 20, 2012, 4:03 am
S+N
 

Ludger W. (72)
Monday August 20, 2012, 5:50 am
signed, noted, ty
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Monday August 20, 2012, 5:52 am
already signed and donated, and yes, I used paypal, from https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/199667/pledges/new

I wish I could do more. This is tragic
 

Ela V. (84)
Monday August 20, 2012, 7:47 am
n&s
 

Gina M. (0)
Monday August 20, 2012, 7:51 am
Nothing is "sacred" to our politicians, except the almighty $$$$$$$$!!!!
 

Terrie Williams (769)
Monday August 20, 2012, 8:23 am
Terrie, You signed on August 18, 2012.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Obama, US Dept of Interior, Congress
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday August 20, 2012, 8:51 am
Making you aware of another new petition on here, please sign and spread as well!
Stop the Sale of Sacred Sioux Land
A Bob Venn had the great idea to petition the Reynolds family who currently own the land, asking to postpone the auction.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 20, 2012, 9:18 am
They have 4 days left! So far $115,000 out of $1,000,000 has been raised. Any amount raised that does not meet the goal will not be distributed to this cause, so, they MUST reach that 1 million $.. Even a single $1 can be donated. I gave a small donation yesterday, wondering when my next job will be coming in, and I received an email that evening telling me that it is highly likely that a new project will be coming my way soon. Karma?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 20, 2012, 9:24 am
Susan V., thank you for explaining to Betsy Bee all that she was missing.
 

. (0)
Monday August 20, 2012, 11:06 am
Thanks Susan and Henriette for the fwd. Gladly signed
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday August 20, 2012, 11:07 am
So glad for you Yvette- best of luck to you!
What makes you say that the $ 1 mio MUST be raised? On the various sites and articles it says that they will at least be able to purchase one or some most important tracts of the land with whatever amount will come up.
So I am confused now about "Any amount raised that does not meet the goal will not be distributed to this cause"
By the time of deadline they will have about 3-500.000 I estimate, don't tell me they will NOT use that to bid ?
 

Henrik Thorsen (28)
Monday August 20, 2012, 11:29 am
Signed
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday August 20, 2012, 11:39 am
The land was stolen from them. It should be returned!
 

Susan V. (80)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:00 pm
Update -- I am making calls -- am giving you all names and numbers if you feel the urge to join in.

Dept of Interior NedraDarling@bia.gov
Brian Rice Office of Indian Affairs 202-208 - 5831

I have called and emailed --and so far - runaround mostly-- then DOI Washington said they will be working on a response -- I asked for one asap. Jonathan at Washington office - (others I had to leave messages with) referred me to the Great Plains Office - 605-226-7343.

I spoke to Rick at Plains office - he says he doesn't think the office can help -- should contact representatives in SD - to see if land can be bought and set aside. I said the Sioux want their land back - will the gov't help them buy it back? He confirmed the land was theirs and taken illegally - he confirms money is in trust for the 1980 settlement, but says he doesn't know if part of that money can be used without the Nation having to accept all the terms - meaning they'd be giving up rights to the rest of their land. I asked for a definite answer.
He said I can contact the director of that office -- Timothy Lapointe. I am sending him the petition and asking for a response. timothy.lapointe@bia.gov

Talked to Alfred Walking Bull with the Rosebud Tribe. If I understand correctly, the tribes would certainly be willing to talk to Dept of Interior about getting help to buy Pe' Sla. They would talk about the land being set aside and preserved by the govt' - their goal is to preserve the land and keep it from development.

However, they cannot accept part of the settlement money because that would interfere with their goal to preserve the other lands. (I believe I understood this correctly).

I also left a message with Jody Gillette's and Charles Galbraith's office at the White House - they are in charge of Indian Affairs there - through main switchboard # 202-456-1414
 

Susan V. (80)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:02 pm
Update -- I am making calls -- am giving you all names and numbers if you feel the urge to join in.

Dept of Interior NedraDarling@bia.gov
Brian Rice Office of Indian Affairs 202-208 - 5831

I have called and emailed --and so far - runaround mostly-- then DOI Washington said they will be working on a response -- I asked for one asap. Jonathan at Washington office - (others I had to leave messages with) referred me to the Great Plains Office - 605-226-7343.

I spoke to Rick at Plains office - he says he doesn't think the office can help -- should contact representatives in SD - to see if land can be bought and set aside. I said the Sioux want their land back - will the gov't help them buy it back? He confirmed the land was theirs and taken illegally - he confirms money is in trust for the 1980 settlement, but says he doesn't know if part of that money can be used without the Nation having to accept all the terms - meaning they'd be giving up rights to the rest of their land. I asked for a definite answer.
He said I can contact the director of that office -- Timothy Lapointe. I am sending him the petition and asking for a response. timothy.lapointe@bia.gov

Talked to Alfred Walking Bull with the Rosebud Tribe. If I understand correctly, the tribes would certainly be willing to talk to Dept of Interior about getting help to buy Pe' Sla. They would talk about the land being set aside and preserved by the govt' - their goal is to preserve the land and keep it from development.

However, they cannot accept part of the settlement money because that would interfere with their goal to preserve the other lands. (I believe I understood this correctly).

I also left a message with Jody Gillette's and Charles Galbraith's office at the White House - they are in charge of Indian Affairs there - through main switchboard # 202-456-1414
 

Susan V. (80)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:12 pm
sorry y'all - the page was malfunctioning and this got posted too many times - don't know how to delete it.
 

Emilia Boccagna (14)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:32 pm
done
 

Carole K. (199)
Monday August 20, 2012, 12:59 pm
Noted & signed. TY, Susan!
 

Brian M. (145)
Monday August 20, 2012, 1:32 pm
The US has never managed to keep a single treaty with any of the First Nations. The reservation system is nothing more than a series of gulags designed to break the pride of the people and to ultimately, extinguish their culture. The government doesn't deal honestly with native people or anyone else in reality, so there is no reason to believe that they would ever give or sell the black hills back to the people.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Monday August 20, 2012, 2:37 pm
Signed of course! I hope it does some good. This kind of abuse by the American people who stole the lands of the native peoples makes me ashamed of that part of our heritage. It's time some amends were made. Thanks to Susan and to Angelika for the reminder.
 

Jason Green (229)
Monday August 20, 2012, 2:43 pm
signed # 524 thank you
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday August 20, 2012, 3:19 pm
Kudos to Susan who is awesome. All her efforts just MUST PAY OFF. Sadly, I myself don't have too many ways of helping and spreading the word, other than C2 friends and other emails and FB. But I also left a message for Silas Hagerty, the producer of the film "Dakota 38", for which he was looking for backers through his kickstarter project in 2010.
Hopefully he received it and did his share.
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Monday August 20, 2012, 4:36 pm
Signed. A lot of us agree to this!
 

Judy C. (106)
Monday August 20, 2012, 5:23 pm
Gladly signed. Now I'll have to read all the comments others have written. Thanks, Susan!
 

Dany Strakova (119)
Monday August 20, 2012, 5:27 pm
signed!
 

LMj Sunshine (125)
Monday August 20, 2012, 6:39 pm
Thank you!
 

Monica D. (580)
Monday August 20, 2012, 8:20 pm
Signed.
 

Elsie Au (266)
Monday August 20, 2012, 9:42 pm
Signed. Sad to see that they have to buy back their own land that was stolen from them.
 

Sara W. (110)
Monday August 20, 2012, 10:36 pm
Gladly signed.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 4:19 am

Abdessalam, You signed on August 19, 2012.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Obama, US Dept of Interior, Congress

Thanks Susan for the post.Thanks Angelika for the forward.
 

Joy Wong (75)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 4:55 am
Noted and already signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 5:33 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Kathleen R. (138)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 7:24 am
signed & noted
 

Michael M. (58)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:07 am
NOW, I WISH TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ISSUE, SO I WILL REPEAT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.

YOU CAN MAKE A SMALL DONATION TO SAVE, TO BUY BACK THE CENTER OF THE LAKOTA

at: http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?c=home&a=1054275

It tears my heart that only so much has been raised toward this effort, and petition signers could give some little amount that would easily double this or more, reach the goal before Friday evening.

When you hear how little entire Lakota communities were able to raise with their entire hearts in it, you can understand how financially impoverished they are. Even other individuals like myself are able to give more. (I split everything into 3 as there are two of us here, and gave 1/3 to return Pe'Sla.

This land is also sacred to the Northern Tssitssista, the Shyela (how the Lakota called them) or Cheyenne, knkown as the Painted Arrow People to the tribes to the West, who are and were friends and allies to the Oceti Sakowin. Since they were treated in an ill manner, forced to move down to Oklahoma, and so sorrowful that they chose to return to their real home country through a winter when the buffalo were no longer, and the families were attacked, some did succeed, and live to the West, in Montana.

So in helping materially to return this sacred center, your small donation (every bit of which will be used to save the land from "development" and paving!) achieves great importance.

PLEASE DO THIS, HOWEVER SMALL YOUR GIFT.

http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?c=home&a=1054275
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:17 am
Signed and Noted.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:42 am
64 HOURS LEFT! No Donation is too small.....even $1 is accepted. Think of the Sacred of most Sacred place in your mind. How would you like it gone, destroyed, a road placed through it. If it was Mecca, the Jewish Wailing Wall, Lourdes, this is how Sacred this area is to The People!

Anpetu Waste! Good Day!

Many people have asked us, “Well if you don’t raise enough funds to buy the land at Pe’ Sla? What will you do with the money?” This is an excellent question. Our main focus continues to be purchasing the Pe’ Sla land that is being auctioned off on August 25, 2012. Our contingency plan at this time, is to put the funds towards purchasing and protecting other lands that may also become available at Pe’ Sla or in the sacred Black Hills, such as near Bear Butte, another sacred site that is threatened by ongoing development.

When someone asked me today, how would I feel if Pe’ Sla were to be bought by a developer, and destroyed, or paved with a road…. I couldn’t talk for awhile – I couldn’t speak – there was a pain in my chest, and I cried….the person on the phone thought I had hung up “Hello, Hello”. “Yes, I am here.” How I would feel? How would you feel if your whole way of life was threatened? If a place that was holy and mysterious was covered up by a parking lot? Bethlehem was an amusement park?

How would I feel if Pe’ Sla was destroyed? It would be a pain that it is difficult to describe..I suppose because I have not felt it before….. It would only be comparable to another Wounded Knee Massacre… or to having one of my relatives killed in front of me… When we say Mitakuye Oyasin..It is a prayer…it is a way of life. It is not something we just say. We are all related, and Pe’ Sla is our relative and should be treated as such! Hecetu Ye! Sara Jumping Eagle Editor/Organizer of funding

Dr. Sara Jumping Eagle is a Pediatrician and Adolescent Medicine Specialist. Dr. Jumping Eagle is Oglala Lakota and Mdewakantonwan Dakota from Kyle, South Dakota on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Dr. Jumping Eagle lives and works in Bismarck, ND. Dr. Jumping Eagle is an Assistant Professor within the Department of Pediatrics at the University Of North Dakota’s School Of Medicine.

She is a member of the Association of American Indian Physicians, the national Suicide Prevention Resource Center’s national advisory council, a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and a member of the AAP’s Committee on Native American Child Health. Dr. Jumping Eagle is married and has three children. She is an advocate for the Lakota way of life, retaining Lakota language, promotion of health among Native youth, and encouraging youth to achieve their dreams and reach their full potential.
 

Michael M. (58)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:44 am
It seems that my comment was not posted here earlier

I WRITE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN DO MORE, TO SAVE THE VERY CENTER OF THE CENTER, Pe"Sla is a most sacred place up for sale in Paha Sapa, the Black Hills

A small donation, ALL of which will be used to buy back some land privatized and taken, can help to secure the future.

BUT IT IS URGENT with less than 64 hours left as this is written. Even $1 or as much as you wish, to help, can be given to this effort:

Please go to:

http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?c=home&a=1054275

listen there and read, and decide.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 9:00 am
There are two links to DONATE through I will leave both hotlinked on this comment. The first is the link that Michael just mentions.
Once This Sacred Site is Gone it is too Late You Can Help Save This Your Opportunity to Do Something Very Important At a Time When We Feel So Powerless Please Join In With the Many Who Have Given What They Can From Their Hearts Thank You
Also is one would perfer to go through the Rosebud Sioux site you can click on here or mail direct by snail mail to address below.
ROSEBUD SIOUX DONATION LINK
Contact Info:
Rosebud Sioux Tribe/Pe Sla
11 Legion Avenue
PO Box 420
Rosebud, South Dakota 57570

Alfred Walking Bull
Communications Specialist
Rosebud Sioux Tribe
605-747-5755, ext. 25
rstcommunications@gmail.com

On my link that I have about this situation it moves me to tears to see people as far away as Thailand, Portugal, Australia, helping the American Indian within the borders of the USA, so please, those who live nearest to these people that so much of your bounty rests upon what they gave up, this is your turn to give back a bit, to help right a wrong, to begin a healing, to Honor the Creators Creation of Pe Sla.
 

Patricia Cannell (751)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 9:01 am
Signed and noted.
 

Betsy Bee (1055)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 9:26 am
I will start to do some volunteer work at the San Carlos Apache reservation which is close to me.

I would rather put in time and effort than money.

I am sure that great help for this situation is close at hand. Why does not some one like Russell Means ask Ted Turner or Robert Redford? In every law suit about the Black Hills, the Lakota always had "pro bono" attorneys. Lawyers who did the work for free, including Ramsey Clark,a former US attorney general.

 

Michael M. (58)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 9:39 am
The one who began this, Chase Iron Eyes, is and attorney, working as fast as he can pro bono, on this urgent issue!

Care2 is about caring, and not about being combative.

I was born long ago in sight of the waterfall that was the home of a people allied to the Oceti Sakowin. When young I had great disagreement of some relatives' part in erasing the traditions, ways, and "religion" of these people, Only my grandmother who was related in blood tried to make peace.
I would alsorather put in time and effort, as my irreplaceable vehicle was just stolen as I heard of this, but because of the necessity of using money forced upon the Oceti Sakowin and others by the killing of the buffalo (please read your history!) and the imprisonment on special reservations, this means of restoration is sometimes necessary.

I gave 1/3 as there are two of us here, and I hope that others can find it in their heart to be generous to ANY degree.
 

Silvia Gonzalez (32)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 10:37 am
Signed.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 11:16 am
Sheryl, if I am not mistaken, isn't Dr Sara Jumping Eagle the wife of Chase Iron Eyes?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 11:55 am
Despite making the front page it is so sad and disappointing to see that Susan's petition has gotten only 621 signs so far, and the other one ( ) even less, a mere 150. People obviously did not fwd , not all at least.
Even more saddening and outragious are many of the comments to the wonderful emotional article that Dana Lone Hill wrote in The Guardian (the pic here on the post is taken from there, The Sioux campaign to buy back the Black Hills ), some Brits are really nasty..
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:16 pm
sorry, forgot to insert the link within the ( )-meant:http://www.thepetitionsite.com/686/718/938/stop-the-sell-of-pe-sla-south-dakota/
Those Guardian readers' comments made me so mad that I just contributed my 3rd donation to LRI , standing now at 150.023. At least they passed that mark, yet far from enough. Including the sum from RST plus all other sources I estimate they may get some 300+K, wonder if that'll buy even the most important tract..but hope and pray.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:24 pm
Thank you Michael for you kind words of wisdom. I also wish Angelika that more people would be more active C2 members and if they can't donate, at the very least forward to someone who may be able to donate, time is of the most urgent.

I think we all can both "do" things and to donate as well, if we are all honest with ourselves, anyone coming on this thread has access to at least $1. I know there are many causes, the need is great, but this is unique that once it is sold and gone, the opportunity to save this most Sacred place is too late to be saved. I also do in many places for Indian and non Indian causes, but when I see something so urgent that would be on par of saving the Wailing Wall, or Lourdes, or St. Patricks Cathedral, or some other extremely important landmark of great importance I do feel I can both do and give something financial to the cause. Unfortunate, in order to save this, it requires monies.

There are well to do people who could buy the place straight out, certainly could, but we can't wait for them to step up and do so, they may not know of this situation for starters, there has been limited time to get the word around. I do know that Russell Means is a very very sick man right now with cancer, his physical ability is limited now and I know he was seeking help for his own plight as the cancer had taken his monies in costs. To be sick in America, it does not take long to be wiped out financially. My late husband had cancer twice, I more than understand how how fast money can be drained from a family, despite years of hard work and saving, it goes fast in a system that doesn't offer a Universal Health Care for all, but a For Profit system that charges too high and denies much service.
 

Lucie G. (40)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:35 pm
Signed., This land is rightfully theirs they should be given it back.
 

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:42 pm
Signed and noted.
 

ellen m. (222)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:54 pm
I have asked this already on other threads, but what about the casinos?!!

They are pulling in so much money from the influx of oil workers, pipeline workers, truckers and even hookers (!) this would be a drop in the bucket as well as some great PR.
 

NicoleAWAY W. (631)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 12:56 pm
#625
 

Susan V. (80)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 1:02 pm
I sent a letter late last night asking NY Times to publicize this. Please send your comment and ask the Times to ask people to donate. Please put "Pe' Sla" or "Help Sioux Buy Back Black Hills" or something similar and brief in title.

We could send one to all major newspapers in the US -- I think USA Today is the only major one that did anything.

Send a letter to the editor by e-mailing letters@nytimes.com or faxing (212) 556-3622.

I explained that $1 dollar from everyone in NY would be more than enough to buy this land. (and of course many could give a little more)

at: http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland?c=home&a=1054275
 

ellen m. (222)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 1:11 pm
Sheryl, .."anyone coming on this thread has access to at least $1".
Wow, i must really be at the bottom of the barrel here, as i sure as hell don't!

I had to borrow the $10 from someone elses credit card to donate to this when the story first came out, as my debit card is already over drafted (at a $15 fee each time!) to the max for the month as of over a week ago for other causes i felt compelled to give to as well.
This is in no way to give you any grief, just to let you know things are not always as they seem...1love.
 

Brian M. (145)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 1:27 pm
Ellen, I too have wondered about the casinos.Our local Shoshone-Bannock reservation has a casino as does the Tamastslikt rez over by Pendleton. The casino parking lots are full; it appears they are doing great business. Yet conditions for most of the people remain the same: abyssmal. While some might suggest mismanagement or misuse of casino income, I suspect there are two reasons why conditions on the rez don't have anything to do with the presence of a casino. First, the need is so great on most reservations that it will quite some time before casino money even begins to make a noticeable impact on the lives of most of the people. The other reason why casinos are making a bigger difference is the continuing interference of the federal government upon all things native. They call the reservations autonomous, but in reality, the feds do everything they can to prevent native people from achieving full self-determinism.

By the way, on a personal note, I just got back from Doebayfest on Orcas recently and it was a blast. Likewise, the summer meltdown festival was also super cool with Fabrice and the Bhajans of Orcas! Hopefully, when money gets better for everyone, more of us will be able to donate to causes and to go on the festival pilgrimage.
 

Brian M. (145)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 1:29 pm
I meant, "The other reason why casinos AREN'T making a bigger difference is the continuing interference of the federal government upon all things native."
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 2:09 pm
Ellen it was most generous of you to borrow money to contribute to this, but even the Lakota would not have had you go without eating and keeping a roof over your head to donate. It is $1 only after all the needs or met, not the wants. If that means you go without eating, I have little myself, but send me your physical address and I'll refund your donation to you. One should not go without eating to do this. I will refraise my comment to, should of have used the word "most" as after I left comment I thought that some use the library and are homeless. Forgive, I'm tired and trying to get funds for this cause in many other areas besides C2, and my homeless daughter is having to move in with me, so I have been filling up my car with what she has left to her name and placing it in the middle of my small apartment floor for now. I guess if she uses my computer, she truly doesn't have a $1 to give.

As for the Casinos, many give generously but as with any type of Corporate run situation there are limits as to what they can do. Policies and other situations that we are unaware of do not always make it possible to hand over monies at any given time. Board approval must be met, other considerations taken into account, but I would hope as private doners the ones who work there, if they are aware to make donations.

Also many Casino's are in a type of partnership with non Indians, for in order to get a Casino to begin with, how does one build a Casino on no funds to be starting with. So non Indian speculators come in, loan money, there is agreements set up, and therefore one is not just dealing with all Indian people, and contratcual obligations must be met. Some Indians made out well, others got to work in some of the positions, and still others get little from the Casinos, these have caused much stress in the various Nations for some obvious and not so obvious reasons.

We also have to remember the the Mohawk, Lakota, Cherokee, Mi'Macq, and others are all seperate Nations from one another, there were 500 on this North American continent. Just as in Europe there are many Countries or Nations that make up Europe, the UK, Germany, France so on and so forth, that if France had an issue that does not mean they must do anything for UK simply because they are part of Europe. Maybe now with the euro, it is a new thing of obligation, I don't know.

So just because one is a Mohawk Indian doesn't mean they have to help the others or vice versa. Many do not have Casino's and are having a hard time helping their own people, so is not as simple as it may sound. How many people win the lottery and they don't even help the destitute or struggling within their own personal families, or the playground in their community that could stand some repair, or the Elder across the street who is struggling on a small social security check.

Remember, American Indians have been deprogrammed and indoctrinated over the years by the Boarding Schools, assimulation, and relocation programs, and fear tactics, these techniques have worked all too well. Some are still trying to find themselves again and what being Indian was all about, with generations of tearing apart it will take generations of putting back together, a task that the Elders and Traditionals are doing their best to bring back to the people. There is multi-answers I could give to those who ask about the Casino's, and I haven't even stratched the surface, just too much to place on one thread, I hope the tiny light that I shed will help.

 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 2:19 pm
Gosh Ellen, the offer made to Yvette goes to you as well! But my consolation is that you also know well that we receive double what we give to the needy, and be it our self reward of the good feeling that comes from helping.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 2:56 pm
OMG Sheryl, bad news on your daughter's part. When you wrote yesterday you had to help her move I did not think of THIS meaning behind your words. I hope and pray the situation will get better real soon. It hurts to see you going through hard times while you go out of your way for others.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 4:14 pm
For those who missed the story on Daily Kos >Sioux trying to save Black Hills from auction block
But why on earth did they also post the Ad video from Brock Auctions of Reynolds Prairie alongside with it?
Reynolds Prairie
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 4:35 pm
Thank you Angelika for your kind remark, we are taking things a day at a time as they say.
 

Susan V. (80)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 4:57 pm
Angelika,
maybe Daily Kos posted the video so people could see exactly what the land looks like --- isn't it beautiful! -- though I hope doing so doesn't up the bids on it. I hope that all involved will realize that the only rightful owners are the Sioux/Lakota and will not bid at all against the tribe. (of course that's putting a lot of faith in mankind).

The other option is that the gov't COULD buy it and preserve it - but of course those guarantees don't always last.

I'm just going to believe that they are going to get the money they need.

I have asked Care 2 to put out a special alert, and I hope it will help.
 

Robert Hardy (67)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 6:43 pm
It is only right to restore the land back to those who REALLY own it.
 

Susan V. (80)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 7:52 pm
I wrote Starbucks just now and asked them to donate 10 cents from each cup of coffee they sell tomorrow or the next day to the fund to buy Pe' Sla.

http://www.starbucks.com/customer-service/contact/company-information-form

If anyone can think of something similar with this or another company, just send them a quick request and the info below - could work - never know.

www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland. All donations to the tribe are tax-deductible and will only be used toward the purchase of Pe’ Sla.
Contact Info:
Lastrealindians, Inc.
4265 45th Street S Ste 111-39
Fargo, North Dakota 58104
Phone: (605) 268-0434
Email: cankudutawin@gmail.com
Email: chaseironeyes@gmail.com


PS Robert - love your hat -- I have a thing for Panama Hats.
 

Laurie S. (73)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:04 pm
Laurie, You signed on August 21, 2012.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Obama, US Dept of Interior, Congress
 

Michael M. (58)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:16 pm
Please give some - if you have heard of how hard the Lakota villages have worked and how little they have made, it will break your heart.

Please give to the indiegogo site listed in above comments. There Chase Iron Eyes will tell you plainly how important this is.

 

Phil R. (29)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 8:36 pm
Thanks Janice :)
 

ellen m. (222)
Tuesday August 21, 2012, 9:40 pm
@ Sheryl and Anjelica..Thank you both for your kind words, but i would like to clarify something, maybe just out of ego, i'm not sure..
I am one of the blessed. I do not have to worry about a roof over my head, or food to sustain myself .My few bills are manageable, though an emergency could easily throw a wrench in that, and i haven't felt the need to buy myself many "wants".

My needs are to give back, plain and simple. I do not spend money on "wants" or "things", unless you want to count the concert i went to last March that i saved for 4 months for, or my once monthly $10-15 dinner with Dotti.

All money i have left is used to help others and this planet, be they animal (my own fosters,helping rescuers, rescues to pull death row pups etc) or human...everything from friends in need here on care2 to the street kids and homeless, to the gas it takes me to get to volunteer events for the campaign, to rehome a pup, or help the local food/clothing bank..
And even after that my only want is that i wish i had more to give..and while i would never ask (or take!) money for myself, i borrowed for this cause because time was of the essence and my SSDI wouldn't have come in time to help any other way.

So i take back the "bottom of the barrel" remark, for i am truly, beautifully blessed on a daily basis,not only by all the above mentioned, but by all my friends here that care as well... and i pray for all those that are not as fortunate...1love
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 12:05 am
Ellen, I am right right there with you. That said, and this is for everyone - anytime you feel you just need a little to get by - let me know. Sometimes I won't be able to help, but other times I might. I was given some help last year when a loved one suffered from a head injury, and when I tried to pay it back later, my friend told me to pass it on.
So that's where I'm coming from. For the first time in my life last year (like many in this greed -run economy) i had to break out a jar of pennies just to get a newspaper. It's humbling, and it taught me that I really don't want a lot of stuff I had accumulated over the years.

I really admire you Ellen, and so many others of you on Care2, for your compassion for others and continual sacrifices of time, if not money. You have all been a great inspiration to me and you've taught me so much.

So if you ever need help - click my name, and I'll do what I can, even if it's only to keep you in my prayers/thoughts and best wishes. I'm working and going to school now, and I get a lot of emails, so sometimes you have to contact me twice -- and then sometimes I take a break, so don't let that stop you -- keep trying if I don't respond at first.
 

ellen m. (222)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 2:10 am
Susan, Thank you so much for those comments.

I to am humbled daily by the love, compassion, determination, service and giving and i come across here from care2 members and elsewhere...

And i'm sending back the same goodwill offer that you made to others back to you...1love
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 2:32 am
Yes, along with all others here I do admire both Ellen and Susan as well. Especially Susan's tremendous efforts in spreading the word deserve all the thanks we can give. But I also realize there are many others, Dandelion to mention just one more, who are also working hard on this important issue, before time is running out.
I have just left another message on the Facebook page of Silas Hagerty ("Dakota 38"), hoping that will get more attention than the previous one on the Kickstarter site.
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 3:10 am
Am going to sleep a bit -- but first I wrote two of the big colleges I attended - the school paper editors of UNC-CH And UNC-G -- and I just thought of Dick Gordon's The Story on NPR ---

Publisher.Carolinian@gmail.com this is for UNC -Greensboro
Daily Tarheel -- UNC- Chapel Hill

The Story is the PERFECT venue for this story - but it may be too late to get it in - I think he might be able to squeeze in a few minutes - please email if you can - they're very nice there - I was interviewed about my book years ago

hestory@wunc.org Dick Gordon -- He might be able to get a short interview with Alfred Walking Bull on Thurs


Angelika, I think it's the 2% Sioux in me that's driving me --- Also the conclusion of my book is a lot from Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, and I am part Cherokee also -so its all in my genetic history - It's something I want to do. And of course it's urgent -- its historical - it's a chance in a million -- and I believe a chance for great healing.

I really appreciate you hooking me up to the story. I wish we knew how to contact Costner - I think he'd want to help -- I'm hoping the LA Times and NY Times will just get the word out because I feel there are people who would want to be a part of this if they knew about it. But the press seem pretty quiet in general, don't you think.
By the way - on the petition itself there are a lot of very kind comments from the UK-- so the comments on the Guardian story are not representing others in the UK. - gotta get to sleep now. Thank you all. I really have faith this is going to happen - at least they'll get some of the tracts being sold.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 4:21 am
I agree, Susan. Check this new one out as well, everyone SIGN !
Avaaz: Help the Lakota Sioux Save their Sacred Black Hills Land!
 

Carolina Amena (74)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 10:10 am
Signed and shared on several FB pages.
 

Yulan Lawson (156)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 11:23 am
Noted and signed. Thanks for sending me an email to bring this to my attention.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 12:09 pm
Great to see that the 200K milestone has now been passed and appearently the bigger doners are jumping in now. Whenever I go look, there's $100, 300, 500 been donated :-)) Hopefull the BIG ONES are yet to come!
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 12:52 pm
"Let us put our minds together and see what life we can make for our children." Chief Sitting Bull, 1877


Angelika - thanks so much for the Avaaz link -- it should answer a lot of questions of some commenting (negatively or out of misunderstanding) on the Care 2 story now posted. Below is an excerpt from the Avaaz petition and below that a link to the new Care 2 story linking my petition.

As I note - few of us have millions, but millions have a dollar they can give, and that's all it will take to right this wrong - or at least this part of it.

"The seven bands of the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota Oyate (people) aka Oceti Sakowin (Great Sioux Nation) have a collective effort to buy as much of Pe'Sla as we can at this auction (although we also believe that the land cannot be owned and that our sacred places were illegally taken by the United States). Yet we are trying to work within the current U.S. laws to regain custody of our sacred sites and prevent future road and industrial development."

CARE 2 STORY:
http://www.care2.com/causes/demand-that-the-feds-return-the-black-hills-they-stole-from-the-sioux.html#comment-4089911
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 12:56 pm
Angelika - the contribution site now says it's over 200,000 and there are "17 days left" !!!!!

Do you know if the date was extended???
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 1:32 pm
New info found here: http://lastrealindians.com/
is pasted in part below (in quotes) - Apparently International Law also says they are entitled to their land.

Also it looks like the auction date may have been extended, unless that's a typo on "time left" in the fundraiser. Good News if true, because the tribes just learned of the auction a couple of weeks ago and have barely had time to catch their breath, much less raise what's needed.

"On December 16, 2010, President Obama announced the United States’ support for the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (the UNDRIP), an aspirational document adopted by the UN General Assembly in 2007. And in May of this year, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Prof. James Anaya, made his first official visits to Indian Country – the first of any UN special rapporteur. His tour included consultations in Arizona, Alaska, Oklahoma, Oregon, and South Dakota, where he visited the Black Hills and the Rosebud Sioux Tribe. His official analysis and recommendations included restoring some land to Native American tribes, and he specifically suggested returning portions of the Black Hills. It was a prescient statement. Efforts are now underway to activate the UN intervention process for the case of Pe’ Sla."

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/demand-that-the-feds-return-the-black-hills-they-stole-from-the-sioux.html#ixzz2CtZmVfSt
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 1:48 pm
Susan, no I have no clue, like some others I guess its a glitch. If the auction in fact has been postponed we will surely learn by an update from Sara. The conflicting info on the indieegogo site has already led to comments such as " I will give more next week"-so if its a glitch it needs urgent repair, not to lose potential doners.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 2:09 pm
Glad that C2 picked it up for Causes with a slighly edited article we already knew. It helped your petition approach the 3k mark at least.
and here's the answer, Susan -as I said, wait for the update:



Pe’ Sla Auction is August 25, 2012 10 AM – remains unchanged!
Lastrealindians posted an announcement 32 minutes ago

As you have noted,the Fight for Pe’ Sla Campaign Team has decided to extend our fundraising deadline in order to raise more funds towards our goal of $1 million dollars. We are in direct collaboration with the Leaders of the Great Sioux Nations (Lakota/Dakota/Nakota) and have made this decision with their agreement as well. This is especially timely given the announcement yesterday, by the Sicangu Nation, the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, of their allocation of $1.3 million towards saving Pe’ Sla.

This change in our fundraising deadline is also timely given todays press release by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Professor James Anaya. Professor Anaya “urged today the United States Government and the local and state authorities in South Dakota to address concerns expressed by the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota peoples about an impending private land sale in the Black Hills region of the central-northern state, that will affect a site of great spiritual significance them”.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/Displa...

We are excited and hopeful about this new development! Your letters, phone calls, petitions, and emails have helped! Keep it up!

Please continue to help us fundraise and spread the word! A miracle is happening and you are part of it! We now have 17 days! LILILILILILI!

Pilamaye! Thank you!
Mitakuye Oyasin, We are All Related!
Chase Iron Eyes, Dana Lone Hill, Ruth Robertson-Hopkins, Sara Jumping Eagle

 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 3:32 pm
Thanks Angelika. Wonderful News!

Everyone, please keep donating what you can and as soon as you can, preferably by tomorrow.

Thanks, Susan
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 3:48 pm
Susan V. thank you for what you have done on this thread as well as other places on C2, Angelika too. $213,804 is last amount seen on link.
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 3:55 pm
The credit goes mostly to you, Dandelion, and I'm repeating here the FOCUS - what you posted on the Care2 Story. Few have a million or anything close to that to share, but millions have $1.00, and that is enough to restore this land to its rightful owners.

In a race against the clock, the Sioux Nation is fighting to save Pe' Sla, one of its most sacred religious sites. Pe' Sla, located in the Black Hills of South Dakota, is the epicenter of the creation story of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota nations.

PLEASE DONATE [if you are able - even $1.00] to Save Sacred Land

Contact Info:
Lastrealindians, Inc.
4265 45th Street S Ste 111-39
Fargo, North Dakota 58104
Phone: (605) 268-0434
Email: cankudutawin@gmail.com
Email: chaseironeyes@gmail.com

OR
Rosebud Sioux Tribe/Pe Sla
11 Legion Avenue
PO Box 420
Rosebud, South Dakota 57570
Rosebud Sioux

OR
Contact Info:
Alfred Walking Bull
Communications Specialist
Rosebud Sioux Tribe
605-747-5755, ext. 25
rstcommunications@gmail.com

Pilamaye....Thank you.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/demand-that-the-feds-return-the-black-hills-they-stole-from-the-sioux.html#ixzz2Cu9JObJe


http://lastrealindians.com
 

Simon Validzic (248)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 10:49 pm
Noted.

(I do not have time to read all the comments above. I got through about 1/4 of them 25 hours ago and my night shift came to an end and I gave up).

I "signed" 2 petitions, both with the same comment: "More than enough Native American land has been destroyed and it is necessary to reverse the harm and start returning land. The United States of Americas is in no position to condemn other countries for human rights violations. Since I refused to live in a country which is also the result of genocide, I returned from Australia to my country of origin in 1992 and condemn family and relatives for continuing to live there."

25 hours ago, I signed the one that this article is linked to:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/564/165/021/give-the-black-hills-back-to-the-sioux/

About 20 minutes ago, I "signed" a similar petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/686/718/938/stop-the-sell-of-pe-sla-south-dakota/

About 1 hour ago, I "signed" a related AVAAZ petition (does anyone need a link?)

I donated 200 USD (US Dollars) at the http://lastrealindians.com site (although it took me several tries to work out where to click).

(Sometimes I spell my name as "Simon Validzic" and sometimes as "Sime Validzic")

Even though I care about indigenous rights, this is ther first time that I have actually donated to an indigenous cause, with the exception of a small donation a few years to help with some Aboriginals get to a meeting with government officials because I am not familiar with the individual organizations involved. With wildlife conservation and animal rights, I have known about the WWF since 1980 and PETA since 1990.

(I will copy the relevant parts of this to the Care2 Causes article mentioned above by Susan V)
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 11:01 pm
Wow, Simon - I know the tribes will be grateful for your generosity. It is so uplifting to me to see so many come together on this.
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday August 22, 2012, 11:04 pm
This link might make the contributing easier. It's the direct page -- the big PINK "Contribute" button to the right of the video.

http://www.indiegogo.com/PeSla-LakotaHeartland
 

Susan V. (80)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 2:28 am
New article in Truthout - one of my favorite sources for info:


http://truth-out.org/news/item/11035-exclusive-truthout-interview-sioux-spiritual-leader-speaks-out-on-land-sale-at-sacred-site
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 3:45 am
A green star is not really enough for Simon V.- he sets such a wonderful example here. Thanks so much dear Simon -hvala liepa!- for your most generous action!

Thanks Susan for posting that link here, it is the very source that I also have forwarded to my off C2 contacts for info when asking them to donate.

Maybe it's helpful for new visitors to this thread to provide the clickable hyperlinks once more-
DONATE to save the sacred Lakota Sioux land
donate to Rosebud Sioux Tribe to save Pe'Sla
Petitions: AVAAZ 
 
Susan's Petition here
 
(congrats Susan, goal almost reached)
 To the Reynolds family-Stop the Sale of Sacred Sioux Land
  (needs more signatures!)
Truthout article
  with comprehensive info incl. donation links
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 5:12 am
For those that would like to give the story a nudge that Susan had recently listed, so that others may understand better how important these lands are, you can go to the link below as I placed it on the C2 news.
Sioux Spiritual Leader Speaks Out On Land Sale At Sacred Site
 

ellen m. (222)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 7:19 am
Simon, you are one of the big reasons I say that my friends here are the best!
Glad to here from you buddy, and hope your own rightous works will be blessed by this contribution through Kharma, and the age old "what goes around, comes around."
You are an army unto yourself in your fight, and I wish you victory...1love
 

Susan V. (80)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 5:51 pm
New Development. Announcement quoted below from: www.lastrealindians.com

I don't believe the tribes know yet what has happened or what is next - hopefully this is a good sign - but nothing has changed the focus of the petition or their goal to raise funds to buy back as much of the land as possible.

Posting this just to keep all those interested informed. Please continue to donate at the above link as you are able. Thanks. Susan

"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

UPDATE: PE’SLA AUCTION CANCELLED ON DIRECTION OF OWNERS’ REPRESENTATIVE.

The auction scheduled for August 25, 2012, for the acreage called Reynold’s Prairie, also known as Pe’Sla to the Oceti Sakowin (Great Sioux Nation), has been cancelled on direction of the owners’ representative, according to Brock Auction, Co., Inc: http://www.brockauction.com/upcoming.htm

The owners are not commenting as to why the auction has been cancelled. At this time, Lastrealindians, Inc. is consulting with Oceti Sakowin Tribes and attempting to find out more information.

Updates forthcoming."
 

Amy E. (66)
Friday August 24, 2012, 2:49 pm
n/s
 

Barb Mann (12)
Friday August 24, 2012, 3:21 pm
Noted and signed =)!
 

Juliette Claparede (42)
Friday August 24, 2012, 3:55 pm
N/S
 

Stuart Thomas (508)
Friday August 24, 2012, 4:49 pm
Noted, signed,and submitted. Thanks Susan.
 

Stella Nobrega-Garcia (4)
Friday August 24, 2012, 5:58 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Rin S. (10)
Friday August 24, 2012, 6:29 pm
Signed and noted, thankyou!
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Friday August 24, 2012, 7:21 pm
Is good to keep getting the signatures on this petition, but the land is still up for question and needs to be bought back. Any donations are greatly appreciated. It seems like a lot of money already raised but there is a lot of land to obtain.
PLEASE DONATE TO SAVE THIS LAND PE SLA
THANK YOU
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Friday August 24, 2012, 7:52 pm
noted and signed
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 1:08 am
Ditto to Dandelion's comment, adding that no donation is too small. The tribes say they are grateful for as little as one dollar gifts. And I repeat - few of us have millions, but millions can give a dollar. That way the blessings of what I hope will soon be an historic event will be spread out among many people who have participated in its creation.

DONATE ONLINE HERE - or using Dandelion's hyperlink above.
http://www.lastrealindians.com/

Contact Info:
Lastrealindians, Inc.
4265 45th Street S Ste 111-39
Fargo, North Dakota 58104
Phone: (605) 268-0434
Email: chaseironeyes@gmail.com
Email: cankudutawin@gmail.com

Thanks for all the support!
 

Ronni G. (108)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 2:09 am
Noted, signed and shared to FB
 

Ira M. (211)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 2:47 am
Signed and noted, thank you!
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 6:15 am
Thank you all so much! Pilamaye for all your hope, your prayers, your contributions, and your "shares! Today the story of Pe’ Sla was in the Croatian news! We received hope and well wishes on a banner from children in France in the Lakota language! This has been a rollercoaster ride, and we are riding with our hands up and our hearts open! We keep working and praying for the best outcome, the opportunity to save Pe’ Sla from development and the freedom to pray in the place the Oceti Sakowin and many tribal Nations have considered sacred. We thank you for all your help and continued efforts especially in this time when we are uncertain of what will happen next. It is exciting and at the same time nerve wracking! Our team and the Oceti Sakowin continue to collaborate! Keep it going, keep it in the news, and keep sharing! We are working for our wakanyeja, our children, as they are the future! Pilamaye, Sara Jumping Eagle
Updated Video Thank YOU From Chase Iron Eyes Please Continue He Hears the Voices From Around the World of People Rising Up to Protect This Sacred Site 15 more days to Donate and Help
 

change twentytwelve (26)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 10:50 am
The Black Hills have always been tied to the Sioux. Here we are2012, and the government once again has no problem hanging out the REAL Americans, Native Americas for the MONEY. Turn the Blacks Hills over to the Sioux, they are Connected to the Land that was theirs till we all but wiped out every Native, filled school books with lies, and HAVE never really Acknowledged how the Government & Army tried to kill off all on a long bitterly cold, little covering, food & water?, FORCED MARCH. My Great-Great Grandmother was a Apache Princess (Texas), and although the blood line will not be acknowledged by either side(for the Natives I totally understand, I& I may have mixed blood lines, but the Apache in me has burned Hot since I was a small boy. America's History is shameful, and full of lies, where the Natives are concerned. Do the RIGHT Thing, let the Sioux buy, what is RiGHTFULLY theirs.Thank you, Stefan Dwornik
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 1:38 pm
http://www.lastrealindians.com/

Chase Iron Eyes says our voices of support have been heard and are a great inspiration to the tribes. Speaking for them he says they accept this responsibility to preserve Pe' Sla for future generations. "Sacred sites are necessary for our continued humanity."

He also urges us to continue our support - Even though the auction is cancelled, he says, the land is still for sale.

So please continue to send any amount you are able, even one dollar.

"One mind, one heart, one prayer." Chief Sitting Bull

DONATE ONLINE HERE - or using Dandelion's hyperlink above.
http://www.lastrealindians.com/

Contact Info:
Lastrealindians, Inc.
4265 45th Street S Ste 111-39
Fargo, North Dakota 58104
Phone: (605) 268-0434
Email: chaseironeyes@gmail.com
Email: cankudutawin@gmail.com

 

linda b. (190)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 3:22 pm
Signed, thanks Susan.
 

change twentytwelve (26)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 3:31 pm
Dandelion, Thanks for the feedback, and yes I KNOW that Princess is a European title. However, my Great Great Grand mother was the only daughter of the Chief, was the sparkle in her fathers eye, beloved by the people, and was the heart of my Great Great Grandfather. I chose Princess, because I felt it was the most understandable title to use in general., and the story of their Love and what it cost/affected them has been passed down thru the Family. It is also documented in my Family's History- Smith's. I am very proud of this part of my heritage, and as an adult I realize that my Native American bloodline runs the HOTTEST & STRONGEST in my veins. If your Native, then you probably understand what I'm attempting too convey.
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 3:50 pm
Hey again all. After reading a USA Today report and comments by state and county DOT officials, I am concerned that plans may go forward to pave a road through Pe' Sla, even if the tribes get ownership.

I wrote another petition to call attention to these plans in case anyone would like to sign. Please continue to DONATE what you can to the Great Sioux Nation's efforts to buy back this land -- and ask others to do so as well. There should be less chance of these plans going through if the Sioux Nation has control and people continue to watch what is going on.

Thanks, Susan
Don't Pave Road Through Pe' Sla (Lakota Land)
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 4:45 pm
Thx again Susan for the new petition, gladly signed. I read before of those plans, but don't believe they stand a chance. Another point of worry and ANGER is what I've also read: A Canadian mineral company is seeking permit from the SD state to drill for gold! (sounds familiar??) They plan to mess up 6 acres in the Black Hills with 250 test holes to explore for gold near Keystone!
http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/canadian-company-seeks-state-authorization-to-begin-hunt-for-gold/article_a193918e-4d9c-5373-a0a2-cfbd58b50eb8.html
 

Erin Walden (16)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 8:27 pm
Signed and sent on.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday August 25, 2012, 8:47 pm
Gladly signed Susan and there you have your answer, once more it's gold again. Is the same thing they did to the Dine' people, move them from where they settled them, then tell them they must move again. If they don't they are moved anyways, their sheep are killed their horses run off. As with our wild horses, the BLM makes it seem like it is for the "horses" best interest to corral them and kill them off. Bull, again, it's all about removing them so that a special interest can find something or take something on the land they roam. Before these idiots are done, there will not be a piece of grass untouched or a mountain left.
 

Agnes Wojciechowska (152)
Sunday August 26, 2012, 9:05 am
signed
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday August 26, 2012, 1:05 pm
This was left on the thread to one of the stories I posted by another member. I thought perhaps some who have a few questions could get an answer with it.
The Struggle For Lakota Sacred land Continues
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday August 26, 2012, 3:03 pm
it was also left on the comments section of the indiegogo site, by member "tree". Already saw it but found it confusing, to be honest... And the only question that I have is, when will the parties speak up? The worst case scenario would be, the land is sold and we're the last to know.. but that is hypothetical, just kidding. As I stated earlier, I believe the sudden cancellation does indeed have to do with the intervention of the UNSR Anaya. Along with the public outcry & actions which they certainly noticed.
 

Susan V. (80)
Sunday August 26, 2012, 4:53 pm
Am hoping you're right Angelika. I am too skeptical of our gov't at the present to believe it, though. Too much experience. All the more reason we should encourage the donations to continue.
Still hoping the government will do the right thing, but not counting on it.

That said, it wouldn't be feasible, would it, to give ALL of the black hills back to the Lakota? Doesn't Rapid City, for example, sit within the Black Hills? It seems what COULD be done, and should have been done already, is the gov't could give them back all the undeveloped land and also buy from private owners what they are willing to sell - and give that back to the Lakota as well. Then compensate them for the rest of the land that has been developed.

This is another reason why all development by anyone must stop immediately until this matter is settled to the satisfaction of the Lakota. Don't ya think?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday August 31, 2012, 11:38 am
Happy to see your petition approaching its 25K goal. this is amazing, especially with the other one by LRI still on, however, sadly Sara's petition has lost speed enormously since passing the 50K. Will perhaps take way too long to reach 75 K now.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 2:01 am
FYI : RST announced progress on purchasing Pe'Sla
Press release as of Sept 1
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 11:44 am
Thanks Angelika, Sounds like good news.

Also copying the update here:

The Rosebud Sioux Tribe has announced it has entered into preliminary negotiations to re-acquire Pe Sla (Reynolds Prarie). The Tribes are asking for your patience in this matter as they continue to navigate inter-governmental procedures toward successful negotiations to purchase Pe Sla.
Lastrealindians, Inc. is honored to contribute funds donated by the world to a collective effort to protect Pe Sla.
The Oceti Sakowin is extremely grateful for the tremendous support shown for Pe���Sla; The Bands came together to show the world it is paramount for human beings to respect our living mother earth and sacred sites. This is the first time in recent history the Oceti Sakowin has mobilized in concert to buy back land in the sacred Black Hills, Wamaka Ognaka y Cante (The Heart of Everything That Is). The Black Hills still belong to the Great Sioux Nation pursuant to its treaty with the United States -the 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie.
The Oceti Sakowin will continue to pursue financial assistance in conjunction with Lastrealindians, Inc. in anticipation of the closing date of the land purchase.
Lila wopila icicapelo makasitomni (big thanks to all of you); The Oceti Sakowin could not have accomplished this historic feat without everyone around the world supporting their efforts.
Pilaunyanpi Wooholaya Yuha (We Thank You With Respect),
Rosebud Sioux Tribe, Oglala Lakota Nation, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, Yankton Sioux Tribe,
Shakopee Mdewakantonwan Dakota Community.
The Oceti Sakowin (Seven Council Fires), speakers of Lakota, Dakota and Nakota dialects:
Sissetonwan
Wahpetonwan
Wakpekute
MdeWakantonwan
Ihanktonwan
Ihanktowanna
Tetonwan
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 12:05 pm
Thx for responding Susan. Here's some more that has me wondering, thinking and worrying a bit:
Saw this cartoon Cartoon , has anyone more knowledge on that tax matter?It might mean that we will come together again on the donation site before long...
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 12:23 pm
And not to mention this Fire burns 25,000 acres on Pine Ridge reservation last thing needed now, OMG
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 12:40 pm
This is the way the Elites keep the money for themselves. This isn't happening with just the Native people but with all of us. When an Elder can no longer work and their income declines, this is how so many of them loose their own homes they worked and paid for all their lives. The properties can't go to their family members but revert back to the bank many times as the Elders are sucked into these reverse mortgages just to pay the high taxes and the upkeep, which is costly now.

This is the hidden tax that the Federal Reserve has placed in by way of inflation that those who decline in income with age are not able to keep up with, thereby the banks getting the properties back again to resell to the younger ones growing up only to get the property back again as they age. The bank owns the house and property while the people pay interest on the borrowed money, therefore making the banks a lot of money from interest, but when it comes time to do a reverse mortage the banks low ball the value of the home, but once it becomes the banks once more they sell at a good price and with more interest again.

Also people have to be more aware, as sometimes a husband will sign the reverse mortgage and not the wife as it might of just been in his name for in the older days that was a common practice, or perhaps was a 2nd marriage, so when he dies, the bank tells the widow that she must now move as they didn't have an agreement with her and now the house is the banks and not hers. Talk about a kick in the rear end, loose your husband and given 30 days to vacate the property.

I'm sorry to learn of the fires, I hope it stays away from homes, they have so little now, and fire can be something that replenishes the land, but nothing is in balance anymore so whether this is a good or bad thing environmentally who knows anymore.
 

Amber Beasley (20)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 5:24 pm
signed!
 

Susan V. (80)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 8:33 pm
Dandelion.
Yes I know, and it is different now than it was for my parents, who, though never earning much, were able to pay for their home years ago. Still every year, my elderly mother has to pay her taxes.

There should be a law that no one who's retired should pay any taxes of any kind. No one making below 50,000 a year should have to pay any taxes, and those making up to 200,000 should not be paying the bulk of our tax revenue. But they are.

When my parents were buying their home, earnings over 400,000 (probably about 1 million today) were taxed at 91%. But now those high earnings are taxed at around 28% --- No one can tell me that the economy or the general public is better off today than they were in the early 60s, because of "trickle-down economy." Both Dems and GOP presidents supported this reduction in taxes for the wealthy, but GW Reagan and GW Bush I understand were the biggest Santa Clauses to the rich of them all.

I just don't know what it's going to take to get the masses to stop voting for laws that cut their own throats. -

But those pushing these laws have always got some distraction they use - usually emotional or religious -- or sex-related - to keep some people voting for representatives that protect interests of the wealthy.

A credit union is trying to take my house right now - despite a gov't program that was supposed to have prevented it - -that advertises itself as a foreclosure prevention program. It's a farce -- a front. This is why I understand somewhat the native people's distrust of our gov't leaders -- their word still has little meaning - their tongues remained forked.

I hope the Sioux Nation is able to outfox them this time and get back their land - and then that their leaders do what is best for their people.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday September 1, 2012, 9:02 pm
Sorry Susan concerning your home, I've heard of this over and over again. People loose their homes while in the negotiation with the banks to lower their mortgage, one arm of the bank is doing one thing while another arm is taking your home. Then there is the senario you speak about, these programs sound good but few have actually been helped by them, and the people have to go through hell and back to get the help, if they finally do manage to get it.

I had to sell mine, had a husband die of cancer and still two teenagers to take care of, I should of had life insurance to help me, but the ones who came to my home (remember when they use to do that?) were former employees and therefore had their I'D's, had stolen pens, papers, policies, the whole works, had the phone set up to go to their home and they answered John Hancock, had the payment going to a PO Box (doesn't most bills) and they used some solution to take off the John Hancock and make the money order out to them. Anyways, getting a call from a Dectective when your husband was in his terminal stages is not what you want to hear, that you have nothing to fall back on.

Co-pays, deductibles, medical treatment that the insurers refused to pay, it all ate our savings, not to mention his loss of income, but I had the life insurance, to help me keep our children's roof over our head while I grieved and figured it out. So I thought. While the theives are in jail, it didn't help me financially, so now I live in an apartment as the home had to be sold for low monies as the economy tanked. Moving 6 weeks after the death of my husband, a very special man, who unfortunately got the phone call so knew before he died that his family was being left in a bad way. He said, had I known that I would of let myself die before using the savings but I thought there was insurance in the policy for you, but not having been underwritten by John Hancock there was no policy, just a piece of stolen papers.

That is the other problem in this Country, if we had Universal Health Insurance, our savings wouldn't of been wiped out and maybe my children would of still had their home to live in. So I feel the pain of those who play by the rules and still get a kick in the butt. Being at the age I am I'll never get back to where I was, too late, but I can stay in the fight and try to help turn some of this mess around, so that just maybe my children will not be faced with similar or my grandchild. It so infuriates me that the Romneys' and Ryan's, with silver spoons and great support system in their lives, can spit upon those who haven't had such advantages. Good people that played by the rules but crap happens to them, and they don't have a family member with a few million lying around.

Like the native people, they had good lives, they worked with their environment, they had shelter, clothes, food, a system that worked for them. They had song, dance, cermonies, friends, family, a culture that worked well for all of them and kept the environment clean and in harmony. It was destroyed for them, they didn't do it to themselves, it was forced upon them, and now this mess was forced upon a lot of us. I do have a bumper sticker on the back of my car, it reads: Sure You Can Trust the Government.....Just Ask An Indian. In fact that bumper sticker is also on my profile page.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 3:31 pm
...and that's where I saw it, Sheryl, and love it.
It is heartbreaking to read your stories here and I pray and feel for the both of you, Susan and Sheryl.
The more I catch from living conditions in the USA, the luckier I consider myself for being over here. It is such a disgrace what your country has turned to be, unbelievable.
If I got that right, Sheryl, you became a victom of a clear case of fraud, scam, and despite Police getting those men you had no way of being reimbursed, getting back what they ripped you off? Can't understand that..Unless the thiefs had blown the money you paid..

 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 3:40 pm
I am also sad and disappointed to watch both the Avaaz petition and the donations to LRI having slowed down, maybe because of the long holiday weekend in the US?
As for the land purchase, that was my initial question and worry: if the tribes manage to buy, will they have to pay the annual real property tax for that land? Probably so, I guess, which would make the whole deal even more ironic and nasty. Wonder if they will have the funds.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 4:28 pm
I was reimbursed for a few years worth of paid premiums, but when you expect a $150,000 pay out and end up with a couple thousand, that certainly doesn't go far. One can't get anything from people not working, in jail, and spent what was taken. No, most times the ones who are victims seldom get much back if anything at all, it's gone.

You are correct, is hard over here, so much is set up to trip you up. Just like medical care, many have medical care if they are working and get it through their company, although that too is declining as employers offer this less and less, but when someone looses the job they loose their medical care. One can buy into the Cobra, but that means they must pay full amount for the premiums as they are not having the employer paying a portion.

That could mean that if one say paid $600 a month to have full medical insurance for their family they now must pay out of a group plan. With the group plan the employer can secure lower payments as they guarentee the Insurance Co. so many to be enrolled as they have x number of employees. However, when you are laid off you are now no longer part of the group so you do not get that break, and that could be upwards of 2.5x more a month for the out of work person depending on how good the policy is or if they have sick family members.

Few can afford that, as they lost their wages now they have less income so how can they pay it, so most drop their coverage. So over here, it isn't just about the loss of a job, a struggle to keep the roof over the head, but you loose your medical care too. If the wife was pregnant, or a child has a chronic medical issue, or the husband develops a medical condition, it's just tough too bad.

Those figures were estimates that I gave, just an example. According to the 2012 statistics I really low balled it at the $600 a month, the figure on the article states, over $20,000 and my figures were a little over $7,000. How can people pay for this when the average medium wage is $34,000, we are all going under. So people drop their health care even when they work to be able to put food on the table, keep the lights on, and pay rent or mortgage.
Healthcare Costs in USA

As for Pe Sla, I think the waters got muddy for various reasons, when people heard it got taken off the auction block they thought it was over, also on my link I've had to address a situation that someone left a link too. So what can one do, but we'll keep praying and putting our best forward.

I went to a Talking Stick Circle last night and was able to gain some donations, these people still had not heard of the situation. Our news is not offering any real coverage on mainstream, as it's election coverage only right now, the Republican Convention and now the Democrat Convention coming up, the world could be burning down right now but you'd never know it, got more coverage of Clint Eastwood talking to a chair, and I know more than that is going on in the world.
 

Sheri D. (0)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 4:44 pm
signed
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Monday September 3, 2012, 9:16 am
Signed and shared before
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday September 5, 2012, 5:12 am
I believe I have some GREAT GREAT NEWS HERE for you all:

Pe'Sla Resolution

WOOOHOOOO LILILILILILILI
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday September 5, 2012, 5:14 am
TRIBES REACH DEAL
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday September 5, 2012, 6:15 am
Aho! Thanks for posting this latest. LILILILILILILI
I must say, this has been such a happy time in my heart. So many speak of 2012 to be the end. I do hope it is the end, the end of all of this greed and the beginning of the human Beings all over this world to come together and to realize there is more important things than what they've been fed to believe. LILILILILILILI
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday September 5, 2012, 12:59 pm
Great news that does my heart good! -- I updated the petition and am urging everyone to continue to donate what they can so loans won't be needed, hopefully.

Thanks Angelika!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday September 5, 2012, 4:45 pm
My pleasure. and the star just sent out was for wellsvaughan's heads up . ;-) :)
 

Alitis G. (15)
Friday September 7, 2012, 11:05 am
signed
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 3:03 pm
You all have read the news already?
For the latest please read PeSla : Reynolds agree to $9M from tribes
PeSla: owners accept $9M offer from tribes
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 4:50 pm
Rosebud Sioux Tribe serving as a representative for the group of Lakota/Nakota/Dakota tribes involved in the purchase process has until November 30 to pay the remaining $8.1 million.

All of the monies raised on the Last Real Indians website will be used to purchase Pe' Sla. Those who contributed on C2, helped to forward the information around, and was able to give others an opportunity to donate should feel very good about themselves.

 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:17 am
:-) as for myself, I certainly do! Just waiting to read more on the LRI or RST websites if one can continue to donate to help them until Nov. I am uncertain about the donation button on Chase's site, think that was only meant for the indiegogo campaign..-? And the RST site still have their linked site about PeSla on hold.
Hope they all realize that the international community would be willing to continue helping with funds and fundraising..
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 10:15 am
I would direct any further inquiries to this or where to donate to:

Contact Info:
Alfred Walking Bull
Communications Specialist

Rosebud Sioux Tribe
11 Legion Avenue
PO Box 420
Rosebud, South Dakota 57570

605-747-5755, ext. 25
rstcommunications@gmail.com

OR......Contact
A. Gay Kingman
Greater Plains Tribal Chairman Association
2040 W. Main St. Suite 112
Rapid City, South Dakota 57702
Phone (605) 791-4050
Email gptca@yahoo.com
 

Susan V. (80)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 10:31 am
Angelika and Dandelion,
I've updated the petition to reflect this news and will send it again to government agencies.
I'll try contacting Walking Bull again about the donation issue.
 

Susan V. (80)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 11:52 am
Dandelion's post, above, has info for continued donations.
I spoke with Alfred Walking Bull, and he says so far they still have gotten no help or promise of help from the gov't so they are still left on their own to raise the remaining 8.1 million.

Please continue to contribute as you are able and also to support the petition asking to government to give the Black Hills back to the Lakota Sioux. Thanks
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 4:53 pm
Thanks Sheryl for that info (should have thought of myself) and Susan for your continued engagement and info as well. How disappointing is this that again govt is turning a blind eye and their back..maybe loosing voters...
Just wonder why RST put the PeSla site on hold by that taking off the donation opportunities at the same time.
 

Abo r. (102)
Monday September 17, 2012, 6:06 am
Thanks Susan for the post.Thanks Henrette for the forward.
 

Abo r. (102)
Monday September 17, 2012, 6:08 am
Signed and Noted
 

Natalie Away J. (125)
Saturday September 22, 2012, 3:11 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Angelika and Susan.
 

Susan V. (80)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 8:51 pm
UPDATE y'all.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/10/05/the-fate-of-pe-sla-purchase-sioux-nation-working-to-raise-9-million-tribal-leaders-meeting-in-rapid-city-today-137

Just trying to keep you informed - they have about 30 days to find the rest of the funds, and I still think the US Gov't should give it back to them - free!
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 6:18 am
Read this the other day, but I agree, the US Gov't should, but it won't. It would go a long way to begin a healing in this Country. Something we best start getting right on, or more Sandy's are going to come along. Is one thing that native people's understood, caring for the Sacred, that included Turtle Island, or more commonly known as Earth.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 4:48 pm
We made history! PeSla belongs to the Sioux Nation; our tears & smiles send energy to all. All funds will go toward Pe Sla costs. LRI raised over $900,000! Click on link for more information.
the Great Sioux Nation, or Oceti Sakowin has managed to raise the $9 million necessary to secure the sacred land in the Black Hills of South Dakota
 

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