Monday December 15, 2008, 2:33 am
Please sign!

An interesting and informative related article -

http://www.care2.com/news/member/713340025/941624

Monday December 15, 2008, 3:20 am
Already signed. Noted with thanks Pam. Thanks for sending Jocelyn.

Thank you! You signed at 8:15 AM PST, Nov 19, 2008

Monday December 15, 2008, 4:38 am
Already signed # 128 Nov 25, 2008. Thanks

Monday December 15, 2008, 4:47 am
Thanks Lyn, I signed this on Dec. 9th my friend, will forward as well. Very important article sweetie, bless you...noted.

Walk in peace all,
FreeSpiritRunning...

Monday December 15, 2008, 5:12 am
done.

Monday December 15, 2008, 5:25 am
done 9 dec thank you Lyn and Pam

Monday December 15, 2008, 5:43 am
# 159:Thank you! You signed at 3:37 AM PST, Dec 9, 2008

Monday December 15, 2008, 6:05 am
all signed
thank you, Pam and Lyn
Thank you! You signed at 7:35 AM PST, Dec 9, 2008

Monday December 15, 2008, 6:43 am
Thank you! You signed at 4:09 AM PST, Nov 20, 2008
Thankyou

Monday December 15, 2008, 6:47 am
"Thank you! You signed at 6:59 AM PST, Dec 9, 2008"

Noted and signed previously with thanks, Pam and Lyn.

Monday December 15, 2008, 7:14 am
Signed December 9th

Monday December 15, 2008, 9:16 am
Already signed.

Monday December 15, 2008, 9:45 am
noted; petition signed. Thanks, Pam!

Monday December 15, 2008, 10:38 am
I AM AGAINST VITRO ANIMAL FOOD, I AM VEGETARIAN, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT EAT MEAT, I DON'T AGREE, WITH THIS ANIMALS NON ANIMALS, NOR ALIVE, GROWING THING TO EAT, !!!

(in vitro meats)
""""This research is vital to helping many of our world issues.
Getting this curltured meat on the market and available to poeple throughout the world is vital. It is a one of the most important and easy ways to solve world hunger, enviromental issues, health issues linked to eating meat, and the cruel practice of raising animals for food.
Using just a few cells from an animal, the cells are grown in a labatory. These cells mulitply and grow the tissue and muscle that is the meat we eat. Once this meat is grown it is than cut into the different cuts of meat. Right now they can grow thin layers of meat suitable for ground meats. (chicken nuggets, hambugers, sausage) They need funding to continue this research in a timely manner to grow thicker layers of meat for the thicker cuts of meat. Also funding to get the facilties going to grow this meat on a scale large enough to make it affordable for poeple to buy it.
Once this meat is available to the public it would end the need to raise living animals for food"""""
WHAT A CRAZY THING !!!!!!!
And I sign by mistake !!! thinking in another petition I had, I AM VERY SORRY I DID !!!
WELL, ONE MISTAKE, I WELL BE MORE CAREFUL NEXT TIME.

Monday December 15, 2008, 11:19 am
I HAD ALREADY SIGNED & THANKS JOCELYNE K.

Monday December 15, 2008, 12:04 pm
signed and noted.

Monday December 15, 2008, 2:33 pm
I have already signed this makes me sick animals to be treated this way. Thanks Pam.

Monday December 15, 2008, 2:34 pm
Thanks Lyn for the send sweetie

Monday December 15, 2008, 3:35 pm
I signed it yesterday on Dec. 14th. It makes me sick too, Joy, the way animals are mistreated. I have to take a high choloric milk through my feeding tube. I only eat for "comfort" and not even enough to keep a bird alive. I hardly ever eat meat. Thanks Pam!

Monday December 15, 2008, 4:06 pm
Thank you! You signed at 11:02 AM PST, Dec 9, 2008
signed and noted.Thanks Pam.

Monday December 15, 2008, 4:37 pm
Story gladly noted and petition already signed in november. Thank you Pam for all you do.

Monday December 15, 2008, 7:30 pm
Have been aware of this for more than a few years, just felt the meat industry would do everything in it's power to stop such research. I'm all for it if it will stop animals from being slaughtered. One question is when the reasearch comes to pass in that we can produce large quanities, what happens to the animals that are at that time being held in factory farms etc? Do we allow them to be slaughtered as the 'last generation' to be used as such? Or do we try and absorb them into the world community (NOT CHINA OR SPAIN) to live out their lives? And WHY the insistance upon meat anyway? Soy products can far outstrip meat in providing protein (we humans don't need as much as we have been taught to believe.) There are so many ethical issues that will come with this research and even more if it comes to pass as a viable alternative to "meat" on the hoof.

Monday December 15, 2008, 7:36 pm
Oh well signed and sent out to my network. :)

Monday December 15, 2008, 9:50 pm
Noted and petition was signed, thank you.

Monday December 15, 2008, 9:56 pm
Noted and thanks Lyn for forward and Pam for posting.
Thank you! You signed at 4:31 AM PST, Nov 20, 2008

I think one of the reasons the petition is low on signatures is because it is ambiguous. The picture shows a suffering pig, and from some of the earlier comments I read on the petition people are mistakenly thinking this cruelty is connected with the cultured (in-vitro) process. I did alert the petition sponsor to this.

A vegetarian or vegan lifestyle is the compassionate answer!

Monday December 15, 2008, 10:53 pm
Thank you Pam.

Monday December 15, 2008, 10:55 pm
Already signed but will crosspost again!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 12:30 am
Thanks to everyone so far who has taken the trouble to properly read,understand,and sign.

Yes,Bronwyn - I think some people are misunderstanding the petition - although I don't think the petition itself is ambiguous.

Patricia - I don't think you need have TOO many worries for the time being about what's going to happen to all the animals that are left - I'm afraid this still has a LONG way to go,and IF it is successful,it won't happen all at once out of the blue.And you can bet your sweet life that the big,powerful agribusiness and meat producers will fight it tooth and nail!
But - gee - HOW I hope for the sake of the billions of animals that are relentlessly being raised and slaughtered in the most brutal conditions, that enough people realise the value of research like this,and support it to the hilt!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 2:03 am
evil monster

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 3:54 am
I have read a lot of comments on this issue, and some people are missing the boat completely. This is not an advocation for animal slaughter. In-Vitro meat is cultured meat, grown from original tissue of an already 'dead' animal. No torture, no vivisection, no suffering involved. As per a request, I am copying my post to a thread here - it will help people make informed decisions, and also tell the vegans etc. to get off their moral high horses. Being right does not save the animals! I'm a vegetarian, have been since I was nine BUT I signed and here are the reasons why - Read slowly, carefully, put your own ego and pettiness away - think of the end goal, not your goal to prove the moral high ground for being a vegetarian! Eeesh, people, please, please think!!!
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If you care, if you dare SIGN PLEASE!! Monday, 4:51 PM


Why are people so loathe to support this? 4:40 PM

Though I'm a vegetarian and find any meat eating abhorrent, be it alive or dead, fish or fowl, or four legged .... I totally support this 'artificial' meat growing endeavour. People are not going to stop eating meat overnight, and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change this fact.

So what can we do in the meantime? We can encourage the growing of cultured meat (no animal is killed for this) to save the lives of billions of animals. No, we are not hypocrites. Even cancer patients who are into the alternate lifestyle way has surgery, which surgery saves their lives. Then the holistic re-training, re-structuring of a lifetime of bad habits now has time to work its magic, hopefully to prevent a recurrence of the cancer. This cultured meat industry is the cancer patient's surgery (it saves the lives of billions of animals). This gives us time to slowly chip away, persuade, encourage, and educate the meat eaters.

Children are born into households where meat is consumed daily. The world is only now awakening. The modern age has made possible mass communication. With communication, intent, perseverance and utmost courage we can make a difference, but that means we are in it for the long haul.

So if anyone here at Care2 really, really, really wishes to end the slaughter of innocent animals as fast as possible - SIGN THIS PETITION! If we do not, we are more concerned about being 'right' than alleviating the suffering of the voiceless. I for one took a big swallow when I signed - but I kept in front of my mind's eye the vision of an abattoir - yes I've been in one and the horror will stay with me forever. If my signature can stop the screams of terror, the smell of blood, the flash of an electric killing shock, the scalding of a live animal - OH YES, I WILL SIGN, AND SIGN GLADLY.

PETA is on the right track in offering substantial rewards for the first breakthrough on this study - but the governments should fund this, fund it massively - the global warming effects due to large scale animal factory farming will reduce - and the tortured cries of animals being slaughtered for food will finally be silenced.

If you care, if you dare have a vision of a world where the blood of animals do not redden our gutters, SIGN, in the name of God sign!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 4:23 am
BRAVO,Eureka!!!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 4:41 am
Thank you! You signed at 4:37 AM PST, Dec 10, 2008
Also crossposted and shared.
Thanks Pam!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 7:28 am
sorry, this just scares the crap outta me, why can't people who are so afraid of the effects of tainted meat just stop eating it? how afraid are they, really? I may sign in the hopes that it will help end the violence against animals, but I wouldn't count on it, because people will still want their "naturally" grown and murdered meat products, and they will get that.
and I don't think anyone needs to attack any vegans on this issue, we have made a concious choice not to take any living being as food, why call us names and sneer at us for that? just a little tired of the insinuation that my unwillingness to compromise makes me wrong, and I do not push veganism on anyone.

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 7:49 am
Yes, I agree, almost like Frankenstein's monstor, but having said that, I as a vegetarian find the perpetual killing of animals for the sake of taste buds horrific. It will take a very long time, money etc. before the world in its entirety is vegan. I can't see that happening for the next few million years. So what do we do in the interim, wail and bemoan the fate of slaughtered animals? I for one cannot sit idle, and if this invitro meat reduces the slaughter, and perhaps eventually stop it then a signature to get the funding is worth more than a thousand words, and a thousand tears.

No one is attacking vegans. We know we have the moral high ground, what we don't have is a potential solution - maybe short term, but great things start small. I would rather encourage this Frankenstein factory, than encourage the spilling of blood of sentient beings, just so I as a vegetarian can be seen to be 'right'.

An uncompromising stance does not stop the horror. We are too few, with too little funding. In my personal capacity I do what I can to alleviate the suffering - but only if we stand together - think out of the box - can we make a difference. Even if the amount of slaughtered animals are reduced by 1/10th percent because of invitro meat, would that not make a difference? Damn right it will make a difference, and once the snowball starts rolling, it gathers more snow, and momentum. We can be that momentum, or continue wailing about being 'right' and uncompromising!

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 10:32 am
this is exactly what I am talking about, demeaning vegans as "wailing" about the problems, when our efforts are much greater than that! claiming blood guilt lies on vegan hands, vegans who have NOTHING to do with the slaughter, and yes we will refuse to compromise, and should never be mocked for that stance. it's wrong to make those personal attacks. vegans work as hard as anyone else in the fight for animal rights, I applaud the efforts of everyone working for animal rights, and I feel this kind of talk and finger pointing is useless. I wish you much success in your endeavor.

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 11:03 am
Sorry for my own reasons I cannot sign this.

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 12:18 pm
I respect anyone's decision not to sign. As for vegans wailing: I wail too, I'm a vegetarian and motiviate as much as anyone else to stop the animal slaughter. But if we think that meat eaters are going to motiviate for invitro meat, then we are living on cloud nine. The push has to come from people who truly love all animals - and for me, that means me. As Ghandi said: be the change you want. Well, I can't stop them from eating meat, but I can try my damndest to make sure that the suffering caused by meat eaters is reduced, or completely eliminated. Yours truly, a wailing vegetarian! Blessings to all.

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 12:34 pm
i signed december 9th thank you

Tuesday December 16, 2008, 3:40 pm
I agree with Sheila, Angel and Marieemma. It doesn't stop exploitation of animals. Even slaughtering - you can say the same about dairy industry - it is not slaughtering and so what??? Look inside.

Thank you Pam for posting the article:
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Health/In-Vitro%20Meat.htm

I don't want to say that is not right. But I'm such f.... idealist and for me there is no compromises - I don't agree to sacrifice even one animal life to feed anybody with meat because he/she just, simply LIKE it.
It makes me sick when I hear/read about giving people something instead, advertising vegan life style or pointing that animal experiments are dangerous for humans.
I still don't understand that people are so cruel. Just I don't....
You can say what then I want to do - don't ask...
And yes probably you right it's better than slaughterhouses.
but I just can't
Sorry dear Pam, noted but not signed and I hope you understand.
And if somebody think about that as of my moral high horses - I'm sorry I've never thought about that in such categories. That's me and I don't care how high or low are my "moral horses".

Wednesday December 17, 2008, 2:19 am
Ah,gee, Joanna - I'm not idealistic enough to think that even the best of mates will be 100% in agreement on 100% of issues - but,damn,I wish it wasn't this one that we disagree on!

For me,the bottom line is - will it save animals from suffering? And if this venture is successful - the answer has to be "yes".

Of course,in an ideal world, everyone would happily be vegan,there would be no exploitation and suffering,and no need of this sort of research.

Unfortunately,we live in the REAL world, like it or not - and the majority of people in it are NOT going to stop eating meat - no matter how much we would like that! And if it comes down to a choice between cultured meat, created from a few cells taken from an animal - which I have to stress - is NOT KILLED ,not sacrificed - or obtained from animals raised and slaughtered in the most horrific and heartrending conditions - for me, there is simply no contest!

In my own circle of family and friends, I'm the only vegetarian, very much the odd one out - and Christmas is HORRIBLE - everyone gorging on animals which have had such hellish lives and deaths - and treating me (in varying degrees of humouring, teasing, tolerance, and resentment ) like some sort of weirdo. And yet, they're not particularly terrible people -rather the norm as most people go - a few would not give up their meat for ANYTHING, but some don't like the cruelty, but also like meat too much to consider making the sacrifice. BUT, if given the choice, they would probably choose the cruelty-free alternative - and when I think of the unimaginable number of animals slaughtered , even just for Christmas , I just can't see how this is a BAD thing!

And so,dear Joanna, while I have to accept your right to disagree - I'm afraid I honestly can't pretend I understand.

PS - I can't understand cruelty,either - and I HATE the dairy industry!

Wednesday December 17, 2008, 6:41 am
Noted and signed!!!

Wednesday December 17, 2008, 2:22 pm
Noted and signed - though I haven't read and researched much about this issue but I respect my reliable friends' opinions. Thank you Pam!

Maybe I'm naive, but couldn't this be a solution for the third world countries too (and maybe, maybe, end famine)????

Saturday December 27, 2008, 3:56 am
I feel upset , I feel that there should be no more meat eating whatsoever on the planet ; so how can I sign this ?
There are other solutions to famine, such as cultivating vegetables , nuts, & so on ; & farming in the fields , organic foods - is healthy as well .
suzanne

Tuesday March 17, 2009, 1:14 pm
I am sorry for your attitude, Joanna and Suzanne. You are upset morally so you can't sign, yet this is your chance to help the animals, to save the animals. No animal need suffer or die for a tissue culture. You have delicate sensitivities and such high morals that you can't choose to help the animals. Ladies, if you care at all for animals, please sign.I have signed with gladness, and thank you so much, Pam, for the chance to make a difference.
Kath.

Sunday May 10, 2009, 11:46 pm
Noted and already signed Pam !
Thank you! You signed at 4:50 AM PST, Dec 10, 2008
I do agree with the arguments of Pam, Eureka and Kath, people are NOT going to stop eating meat because we want them to, the only thing we can fight for is a better alternative and that's the ONLY realistic option vegan people have to help animals. You can't change the world overnight, it has to be one step at the time and this IS the first step we have to go for ! Growing cultured meat is indeed the best option to save a lot of animals that were otherwise meanth for the slaughter. Once this is widely accepted, then, and only then, you can try to push even further... compromises are needed to acheve your objective in the long run.

Monday May 11, 2009, 3:04 am
Words of wisdom - in ANY language, thanks, Viviane and Kath!