Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:20 pm
By Jay Janson

June 30, 2009 "Opednews" -- -After Obama apologized for the strike which the Afghan government claimed killed well over a hundred ordinary country folk, came the report that the families of those killed, and subsequent Afghani dead falling in harms way of the US military, continuing as before, can apply to receive up to $2,000 compensation. This is the price the great United States of American puts on an Afghan or Pakistan human being, while awarding $100,000 to families of Americans who die while fighting and killing wherever.

Shocking? Shame provoking? Embarrassing that no Afghani or Pakistani child or parent has any human right at all, including the right not to be blown to pieces in a US drone air strike? - the final insult being the value of their lives put at a mere $2,000 by the wealthiest nation in history?

Naw, not within the general public, which more or less accepts this assessment of a well-liked Commander-in-Chief President Obama, and accepts the calculations by his generals and higher officers.

In imperialist America, there is not even any interest in such 'war casualties,' considered 'inevitable' by the U.S. government, now led by the Obama administration, as it continues to react worldwide to the Saudi Arabians (and one Algerian and one Yemenite) who suicided themselves into the walls of the Pentagon and World Trade Center in 2001.

Why bother to continue amplifying the point of this article? Why bother to remind people that the Prime Minister of Pakistan has demanded that US stop killing its citizens from the air? The U.S. installed President Karzai of Afghanistan has pleaded for a bombing halt for years to no avail. His legislature has long called for negotiations with the former governing Taliban, amnesty for all, and the removal of U.S. and other foreign armed forces.

Why bother to remind people that the Iraq legislature asked for the same, years ago? Who remembers? All this was reported by the Associate Press but appeared only on the Internet. (In Iraq, a 'Sympathy Payment' - as reported in 2005 - could be as high as $6,000. Maybe it is higher in Iraq because Iraq has a lot of oil.)

But, in any case, who cares? Only the exceptional so called 'bleeding hearts', 'oversensitive' progressives, communists, socialists and overseas anti-imperialists like Presidents Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Daniel Ortega and some others, like Lula of Brazil, who are aware that it is healthier for their country to keep their reaction to themselves.

Words, words, words, as drones continue to fire missiles on orders from the popular highest elected official in America.

Yours truly will never forget being taken aback by Barak Obama's hand shooting up in the air in answer to Wolf Blitzer, monitoring a Democratic Candidates Debate, 'Raise your hand, if you would give the go ahead for a missile strike to take out an important al Qaida leader, if you knew there would be civilian casualties.' (Blitzer emphasized the last phrase.)

Would that Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel were president today. They did not raise their hands.

All the more puzzling is this observation in context of the fact that President Obama is the loving father of two young children. Too bad Blitzer didn't ask, 'Raise your hand if you would give the go ahead for a missile strike to take out an important al Qaida leader, if you knew YOUR OWN CHILDREN would be casualties.'

Still more puzzling because the children of nations under US militarily occupation are Obama's and America's responsibility, as Jesus, Obama's Savior, taught, as even more basic than the Geneva Convention's civilian protection signed agreements.
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Do you swallow the rubbish that your media shoves down your throat or do you find this a little more realistic?...Are YOU proud to be AMERICAN?...

Proud to call myself Australian...

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:39 pm
And what words are there to describe the Puppets Zardari in Pakistan and Kharzai in Afghanistan who allow and encourage the genocide of their own people by US and own armies...unprintable here....Their pockets must be bursting with BLOOD RED $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.........None of it helping those in need. TOTAL TRAITORS....Who along with US and UK Govs past /present should be tried for War Crimes.....Not forgetting Israelis Gov who saw Pakistan as their greatest threat.
TX David

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:15 pm
Absolutely shameful!!!

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:17 pm
I am so sorry to hear this. What a shameful legacy we have left here.

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:39 pm
$2,000 or $100,000 what does it matter? What price can be placed on any life? I feel for those that die that are civilian and for those of our military as well. Anger should not be placed on our soldiers but on the ones that send them. Anger should be placed on the very leaders that cost the lives of all that have been lost. And so it goes on and on...........

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:58 pm
Shameful

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:10 pm
This is disgusting. Thanks David.

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:49 pm
It is Normal! watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fhome.php%3Fref%3Dhome&feature=player_embedded

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:18 pm
David can you cover the pic please, its too painful !

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:38 pm
I'm getting sicker and sicker by the day. Israel Pirates now this. What will it take for America to reach the boiling point and call off all work and shopping until things get fixed?

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 3:47 am
I think it is much more than "embarrassing".

Equality has never existed in US history. Just remember how easily the 7th cavalry massacred Indigenous women and children, how millions of Indigenous people including babies and elders were slaughtered, entire nations wiped out, for no reasons at all other than unlimited greed and unbelievable racism. And where was the apology?

Also the discrimination is not surprising after you've seen how many Americans (and non-Americans) reacted when the US air strikes killed -all at once- about 140 Afghan civilians including at least 90 children. They supported the strikes and attacked anyone who was against them. To see a small but outrageous sample, have a look at the thread: http://www.care2.com/news/member/100353761/1138583

Thank you David.

Yes the picture is unbearable but this is what the parents of children have to face. Their own children ...
So why shouldn't the rest of the world have to see it too?

Air strikes are not video games, the victims are real, real human beings - the blood, flesh and bones are real. Real pain, real terror and real death, all for nothing. The American tax payers have paid for this, they should be faced with the result.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 4:40 am
How much more horrific can our world become? I am ashamed of people that are so cruel and hateful to one another. Will it ever ever stop? Will we ever learn life is precious and to be treasured by all. No color,religion,culture,age,gender should matter, We are people, the same species. God help us all we are destroying our world of animals, and our most vulnerable..our children...noted David with great sorrow in my heart.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 6:06 am
This is an example of the hypocrisy of imperialism - a racist and murderous system, in which murder is a paid-profession ("the soldier"), and murder and other violence are carried out in order to terrorise the people of Third World countries into submission to economic exploitation by multinational corporations.

And just like in the anti-nazi Nuremburg Trials after WW2, "just doing one's job" is not an excuse for soldiers who commit war crimes. The political leaders AND the military were all found guilty in the Nuremburg Trials. Let's apply the same laws to the war criminals of the USA and their allies today.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 7:08 am
If someone tried to pay me off like that, I'd stick something up their ass.Sounds like we best be bending over. So, that will make it all better. Are we kissing and making up with these people, after what we have done? Sick to even think about.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 7:42 am
I think we are all in this , the problem is not the American folk as such they are all working in the big estate, except slaves they looked after , the free slave they have to forage for themselves and pay the masters! am sorry this might sound harsh, but its the truth we are all in the slavery of the masters !
we are looking and been busy with the micro pic! do we need to live in the same and rage and anger energy? i don't think so, the Americans don't need to live or feel shame or guilt, they are in the same chess game!
I would like to share this Video with you all! its long about 1.5 hour long, but its worth to watch , not only because of the message in it, but because it has awesome pic and its about our core of life Earth And the crime been committed to other people whom we do not hear their voice! cause they have no voice! namaste

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 7:49 am
the link!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 7:56 am
We are a warlike species but are also capable of great things. We all of us have a Dr Jekyll and a Mr Hyde within us. We clearly have a strong tendency to tribalism. While we are in tribal conflict we will continue to find aspects of war useful. I take comfort from the thought that we are largely in conflict because our growth has forced our different groups into contact, and that once this jostling has subsided, more of us will see ourselves as one tribe, and wish to look after each other. We are so many that we will not reach a peaceful consensus any time soon, and every tribe conducts internal conflicts from time to time; however we can individually practice being more responsible for our own behaviour. One of the best ways to manage the bad examples of our collective behaviour is to relentlessly expose them to scrutiny. Warriors who kill children, like paedophiles who do lesser things to them, dislike exposure. With war comes censorship. Perhaps we should invite some Pakistanis and Afghans to tell us what is happening to them. If we are genuinely against war we could choose to find ways to keep the ordinary citizens of warring countries talking even while the politicians organise the killings. Perhaps our children and their addiction to phones and the internet will save us from ourselves. They may cultivate more international friendships than we have. If more of the strikes we made meant killing our own children's friends- would we withdraw from conflict sooner? I am sure that we really will start to care about the citizens of other lands shortly after we start to look after the welfare of our own. We could seek humanitarian leadership from countries whose citizens already demonstrate an interest in looking after their peers as if they were members of their own famillies, not someone else's.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 1:01 pm
one point: $2000 US is a lot of money in afghanistan. not to defend the practice in any way. just to say it is more than a years living for many people there. but yes, it is an abhoarent practice.

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 1:28 pm
UMMM excuse me Sir Walk F. can I Kill your child for ONE MILION $$$ ? its lots of Money in The MIGHTY RICH USA!!! it will keep you living for a life time on Ham-burgers! ( Burger is a citizen in German)

Wednesday July 1, 2009, 9:51 pm
Huda, lots of Americans don't know yet that they can be secretly arrested and returned to their families dead without any records, reports, or accountability whatsoever, as happened to my handicapped brother in Memphis. They just don't know they are slaves yet, as you say.

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/american-concentration-camps-proposed-congress-h-r-645

Thursday July 2, 2009, 1:09 am
Great post! David I agree with you Simon W. No-one is getting away with murder,whether it be an Afghan child or whole Indigenous nations.Karma will come soon enough,what goes around comes around.The Creator is not going to look the other way,and favor a racist imperialism system..This is my belief and approved by the indigenous people around the world.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:40 am
What kind of sick mindset is it
that can put ANY price on a human
life?
ALL life is sacred, because we have all
been created by a sacred God, Who expects
us to love one another and respect one another.
Life is priceless, which makes any price put
on any life an insult, and a blasphemy.
Having said that, this is not really a surprise
to me, considering that the source in the U.S.
government. If ever life has been cheap, it is
cheap in their eyes.
Thanks, David.
noted.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 7:33 am
OMG!
as a parent and a human being I just can't handle this......

seriously balling right now:(

Tim is so right life is so sacred. And no one No parent should have to see their children this way.

I just honestly can not tell any one where I stand anymore.
Is it our fault?
With all of our billions of dollars spent in defense to develop weapons we can never make a weapon that will seek out only those that we are fighting and spare the innocent.

But the fundamentalist are also to blame for this as they hide behind the innocent.People they continue to claim they are fighting for.

I just can't..................
understand.And neither will I try too.

If this was Jessica's fantasy land.....

All world leaders that had a problem with each other would grow some Cojones and step into a ring and duke it out THEMselves.
Instead of harming innocent people.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 8:02 am
All world leaders that had a problem with each other should grow some brains, back off and NEGOTIATE their way out of this hell on earth!

Cajoles, guns, "duking it out"...Is prcisely why this situation will drag on ad-infinitum Lady L. It is your very attitude that supports testosterone filled mass murder, justified under the dubious banner "We're all protecting EVERYONE"?

Get real?

Thursday July 2, 2009, 8:12 am
Right On David!!!
seems to be that the North Americana continent they are living in land of fantasy! they only know where their ocean ends, and nothing else, only a fanaticism, and all isms would say something like that, and only see themselves in the others mirrors! too much ham-BURGERS I THINK! the ladies and Sirs and Dukes of this world wale up , its in your head! and you brought it ON!

Thursday July 2, 2009, 9:26 am
"Cajoles, guns, "duking it out"...Is prcisely why this situation will drag on ad-infinitum Lady L. It is your very attitude that supports testosterone filled mass murder, justified under the dubious banner "We're all protecting EVERYONE"?

Get real? "

Get real!
Right........

I am being very real.

1) I agree with you.Just because you disagree with my last statement shows right there that even the supposed, most peace loving people in this world are prone to ....how did you put it "testosterone filled mass murder". Because of a SLIGHT difference in words you wanna label me as such.
That is why your little fantasy World leaders "Working" things out is almost as ridicules as my statement.
Which that is what it was meant to be a ridicules statement.

If World Leaders are all too prepared to put others lives at stake for their own gain while they sit back and reap the rewards of human lives lost, what makes you think they will sit back and talk peace instead of profits?
It is a nice idea, but more of a fantasy then what I brought up.

2) Many of you that post things like (and I say many not all,because I know not all are like this). But many of you have only experienced violence through pictures on the internet or stories you have seen. Hardly have I meet anyone who has suffered true violence.

You grow up the way I did and you know the human condition like no other person with a college degree who only fantasizes about such things.
I grow tired of Elitist labeling what they do not understand.You do not understand violence or the madness that goes behind it, because MORE then likely you have not live with it.

And it is not testosterone that supports mass murder it is the Elitist idea that:

1)We are better then you
or
2)We know what is best for you.

True Pugilist despise conflict and violence. But understand that there is allows a need to fight.
To fight for freedoms,for liberties, for those who can not fight for themselves.
And adhere to the understanding that peace is the best option.

Growing up in violence one of two things:you either understand the above or you are the problem.
I understand the above.
I understand that ALL humans are capable of the most heinous acts against our species and our world,
I understand that ALL humans are capable of the most touching compassion reaching out from the soul.

Those in power and those that do not understand the true human condition are those responsible for the most vile acts in the history of mankind.
Not people like me.
I have more respect for a person who is willing to put themselves before all others.
And that is what that statement surmounts to if you want to criticize it.

First it was just something I blew out my butt,because of the disgust for the things that our leaders are allowing. but now that I have had to defend myself, yet again, from those who MORE than likely have no understanding of such things, I think I can now retract my statement of where I do or do not stand.

I stand by statement totally and fully.

So thanks for that David.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 9:34 am
Remember that there are $till 22% percent of people in the U$A who will admit that they voted for Bu$h twice ... illegal war$, economy cra$h, bank failures, mortgage crisis, credit crunch ...

part of the Bu$h/RepubliCON legacy

Thursday July 2, 2009, 9:37 am
Doesn't seem to me that Obama is much either.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 11:28 am
i just need to say something.
Huda you keep references "to much hamburgers"

Just because one chooses to eat does not make one violent.
Just like choosing NOT to eat meat makes one non-violent.

Violent Vegetarians :

Pol Pot - vegan -mass murdered 2 million Cambodians

Charles Mason - Vegan /animal right's activist - The Mason Family went on a killing spree including the death of a pregant woman.

Adolf Hilter - Vegetarian - 6 million Jews

Volkert Van der Graaf - Vegan Assassin and Murderer -murdered two people in 2002

There are many more.

Just some examples that the Human condition of violence has nothing to do with diet and everything to do with one's belief and lack of morals.

Also one has only to look at their own country to see that America is not the only county in the world capable of such vile and horrific things.

During WWII , Sweden played the role of a "bystander amongst nations", turning a blind eye to what was happening in Europe and looking after its own interests.

The Swedish industry benefited from the war and Swedish scientific institutions were leaders in the fields of race biology and eugenic research.

I look in that mirror that you speak of everyday. with the realization that no one is exempt from the follies of the human condition.
Not race, not culture, not what nation you are from.
We are all capable of it.

Can you look in that mirror and say the same thing Huda? Or will you continue to close your eyes to the images that stare back at so many of us.

That question goes for everybody here.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 11:40 am
"True Pugilist despise conflict and violence. But understand that there is allows a need to fight"....

Generally, I find it had to imagine how two opposing sides, constantly murdering or punching each other will ever solve any war or arguement?...

Negotiation will, murder won't!

Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:02 pm
Lady! I am dyslexics and i have compassion for my fellow dyslexics too! i didn't mention any thing to do with meat! i said and that was answer to someone who said 2000$ is too much money in afghanistan! and Ham-burgers ( Burger= citizen in German) that is what i said! and i know what is suffering, and i have seen many with my own eyes i have lived my past 20 years in the far east! i have been around the world few times at least where there is no Sheraton or Hilton! and the Ham-Burger was an answer to him , about how much 1 Million Mighty USD can by for live time! so , cut the meat! and calm down!, i know what am talking about
peace, salam, shalom, shanti! Namaste

Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:03 pm
David to fight is not to kill.
You forgot also to see that I stated true Pugilist desire peace.

This thread is no longer about the contents of the article that you have provided.
It is now about the controversy that is the human condition.

What is then your argument when negotiations fail?
When you tell that person "Hey violence does not work,let's just talk about it"
Do you really think that negotiations with the likes of Hilter and Pol Pot and countless others , would have worked?

Peace is the goal, but what it takes to obtain peace is not always peaceful.

There are people in this world Like Hilter,like the Fundamentals torturing Homosexuals in Iraq,throwing acid on 8year girl faces,like those responsible for the genocide in Darfur.
That honestly believe they are NOT doing anything wrong.

How then do you propose to help the innocents?

Should we then just lay down, and say "Well we tried our best" and continue to watch hundreds maybe millions die.
This is the problem with that ideology.It is a great dream to have.It should always be the goal.But that does not mean it is going to happen that way.

Everyone blames America for what is happening and NO ONE blames the Fundamentalist and the terrorist hiding among children and women.Killing and raping themselves.

There is more then one boogey man here.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:11 pm
Huda...
Ooops! Sorry, i misunderstood.And I do apologize.
I am frequently attacked on this site with rants about meat eaters being violent,blah blah,type thing.So I do apologize. My husband has dyslexic as well and it is hard for him.I have ADD no meds, so I sometimes go around things in that the right way.Although I try;).

As far as my statement about understanding violence though I stand by it.I have lived in it and dealt with it for much of my life and all I had to do was wake up in the morning,not travel to experience it. So this is the way that I see things.And I do not like being told,as many others do, that I am certain type of person when I am not.

I can always admit to being wrong if I am. And I misunderstood you.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:19 pm
Right on every count "Tank Girl" :-)...Your avi and brainwashed adherence to the (defeated, and not without good reason) RepubliCON party line says it all...

Admirable adherence, without empathy for your fellow man (innocent, murdered men women and children, civillians at $2,000 a pop) and stupid!...Have a nice day!...Byeeeee

Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:54 pm
Dear Tank...If you woke up one morning and discovered your kids looking similar to the ones in the photo, would you advocate a war of vengeance or peace for all?...Would you not be further offended at being offered compensation of $2,000 each?

A little transposition into the shoes of the victims might surely make you aware that war, at any cost, is the absolute anti-thesis of peace?...We are not dealing with dictatours here, we are dealing with the elected goverment of the Afghan people...

The Taliban/al-quieda/Bin Laden/Reds under the beds etc is not the Afghan government and NOT the voice of the people...But, in the interest of 'defeating the Taliban minority, is it really necessary to kill and destroy everything in site?

GWB would have you believe so...Do you still, beyond all reason, think that the war criminal GWB still has any credibility?...

I, and many here do not like Obama's warmongering escalation of the unwinable war either...You will find much support on care2, and many other, non mainstream corporate financed, news sites, for the complete withdrawal af all US troops from places they should not be...Join in?...

YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US (Heard that before?)...The highly illogical RepubliCON pary, and it's remaining mindless followers are on a sinking ship...

Leap to safety while you can!...A little thought may be reqired to sucessfully make the transition, but you should have plenty of free thought left?...After 8 years of the blind leading the blind every RepubliCONNED should have?

Thursday July 2, 2009, 1:31 pm
David I suggest that you go back and reREAD my first comment,before you give yourself a heart attack.
I plainly said :
"Tim is so right life is so sacred. And no one No parent should have to see their children this way."

I appall the fact that our government sees the need to compensate anyone for the death of a family member because it should have not happened to begin with.

I AGREE WITH YOU!

Just because I have a varying view about the human condition towards violence does not mean I am an enemy.
And your rabid responses and labeling of someone who does not agree with your every notion on the issue proves my point entirely.

I am NO Republican or Con as you like to call it.Hence the label "Libertarian" big difference there David you might want to look it up.

That is your only defense against people who who don't agree with you totally and challenges your ideas.I believe that is also called fascism.

If you so avidly support "negotiation" then negotiate in a civilized manner.
I merely asked you valid question, concerning your argument against force.
There is a difference from violence and defense.True pugilist understand the difference.And people in the world who are suffering right now understand that.
You have shown my opinion to be an actual fact, you can not negotiate with everyone who disagrees with.Even if in the smallest matters of an open discussion.
How then do you propose to do such with Leaders of countries,whether it is America or Iran or Israeli or whoever.That do not see their actions as being wrong?
People that commit mass murder,they do not think it's wrong.It has been proven. People that stand by and allow it to happen are the same as mass murders.

I have been a victim of violence. As a minority have watched my people go through violence,and I shudder the day my children should have to be exposed to the things that I lived through,seen, and heard about.
Do not question my ethics as a parent.
Because I can tell you right now every single last one of those mothers who have had to watch their children die and suffer are screaming for vengeance.
The Taliban were not the voluntary elected officials of that country.The Taliban are noted dictators and tyrants. That have killed and maimed women and children throughout their history in the name of fundamentalism.

Also you are from Australia,what if anything do you know about what is really happening in the US?
You have no idea what a Republican truly is.You have no idea what is really happening over here.

You are on the same page as GWB, in the sense that you bask in the idea of "You are either with us or against us"
You are no different.Your comments prove that.
It is not "Real" to be what you say you are fighting against.That is called hypocrisy.

And theCare2 thing. No I don't see it.

There is so much support here for Obama I might as well be in the White House bathroom.

By the way.......

Tankgirl lives in a futuristic wasteland and revolts against a giant corporation that holds the world hostage with water rights!And she is totally rude,crude,and crazy!

Now I'm off to rid the world of thongs! Da..Dada!

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:27 pm
David! what is tank Girl means? is this a bad word like &/&%%%£££$$$$?? so if it is then i can cut it out of my Dictionary along with Ham -Burger! you know i don't speak American! and i try to get away from words which is offensive to others, or violent, i had made the non VIOLANCE VOW last year, and that includes not attacking any one verbally or physically or mentally!

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:29 pm
Ooops i forgot again , namaste , peace be with you

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:29 pm
Huda....
Tankgirl is just a comic book character.
Actually a very good one,too.
Not sure if you would like it though.Cuz it has some violence in it.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:32 pm
Lady Lib, do you like violence so much that you'll $upport a RepubliCON GOvernor who hunt$ wolve$ and their pups with airplanes and high powered rifles?

Do you enjoy blood lust that much?

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:37 pm
Thanks for the info! excuse my ignorance¨ i just came out of my cave, and i have no idea what is in civilization, and No thanks not violent thoughts for me, I have no TV¨only PC¨, thanks very much! you seem to be lonely like me , with only a PC, you are a kind lady!
namaste, salam, shalom, OM Shanti

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:43 pm
Blue...
Seriously you have no idea what you are talking about.

There is a big difference from someone who enjoys violence and someone who understands that violence
exists and where it truly comes from.

I am the latter.
You ignore the fact that you or anyone who thinks like you could possibly be capable of violence.
There for you see all that disagree with you as lower then you, sub human even.

It is this type of thinking that leads to the ultimate acts of violence.

I understand that I am capable of violence and so is every human being on this planet. No one or group is exempt.
We are all equal in our capacity for evil as we are for good.I am not higher or lower then any other person in this world.

Do I support Palin? Yes.
Do I support her legislation for killing wolves? No.
Do I support people the hate mongering and out right misogyny that she is having to endure? Absolutely NOT!

Do I support violence?No.

But I understand the one thing that many of you are missing.
The road to true peace and non-violence is not always peaceful.

And that is just a fact.

The mightier than thou or I am better then you mentalities that surfaces everywhere, are the same as those you so animatedly despise.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 2:54 pm
Hoda
your welcome;)
Have a nice weekend dear.

Thursday July 2, 2009, 3:03 pm
"Also you are from Australia,what if anything do you know about what is really happening in the US?...You have no idea what a Republican truly is.You have no idea what is really happening over here"...Oh yeah?...

Interestingly (some of) the Australian news is pretty much uncensored and un-biased...It is dependent on self regulation...The two main, reliable, news sources here (ABC & SBS TV) are NOT funded by corporations and therefore have no barrow to push...

Very much unlike your faux news in the many and varied biased forms it takes...I know exactly what a RepubliCONNED is and must seriously doubt if you know what is going on in America unless you occasionally tap into offshore news to find out what is really happening under your very nose...

If you compare tha daily news in the NYT with the BBC, for instance, You will find the same, but vey different, news stories...One reasonably unbiased...The other biased as hell to to kowtow to their corporate funded owners, designed to boost the idiotic 'patriotism' (God save America, and to hell with everyone else:-)...Try it, you might like it...If nothing else your eyes will open to the rubbish you are being served... ?...

Thanks to all for your comments...

The topic is...Is one American life worth $100,000 and one non American life worth $2,000?...

I do agree that to put any kind of monetary value on any life at all is insane, impossible and the height of absurdity...

So where to now?

Thursday July 2, 2009, 3:20 pm
This discussion is losing its meaning and started to get about violence! ONE THING I LEARNED IS WHAT WE THINK PRESISTS! so if we think violence we become violence , if we think Peace we become peace! if each one of us is started by himself by cultivating peace within , the world around him/her will become peace!
so lets BE PEACE! Peace to earth and peace to airy space , peace to the sky and peace to water peace to the plants and peace to the Trees! may all the power grant me peace, may all the powers grant me peace, with this invocation , may peace bring peace , with this peace invocation may peace bring peace.
with this peace the dreadful I now appease , with this peace the cruel i now appease , with this peace all evil i now appease So Peace may prevail, May every thing be peaceful may every thing be happy!
peace to all of you¨

Thursday July 2, 2009, 4:00 pm
at least we agree on something David.
and that is a start.

by the way i do listen to a ridculous amount of world news including Australian radio.
Recently,well not that recently maybe the last 3 months or so,maybe 4.
Anyways they were discussing the carbon credits,I believe and it's imapct on farmers in your country.It was either carbon credits or something like that.
I listen to world net,europian radio, and a host of others.
So no i don't tae what is served to me on a silver platter on gorge myself upon spoon feed rhetoric.

(damn home computer,no spelling check..crap)

If you know what a "RepubliCon" is then you obviously know what a RINO is.
And that the republican party is on it's last legs entirely.And that from their ashes are plently of new movements like the AIP and the Libertarian party emerging with a huge flux of new members.
You would also know that there are more disenfranshied dems and Repbulicans then ever before.

just saying...since you so much.

Huda i love people like you,the world needs people truly for peace.

David i think the next step is for people to drop all the politcal positioning and agree something just needs to be done about this matter.
although I really doubt that my government will do anything really.

Over 200 Americans of Mexican descent have been kidnapped from their very homes and communities here in the States.The Bush adminstration did nothing and neither will the Obama one do anything.

i hate to say it,I really do!So with all do respect at least these families are getting some type of acknowledgemnt of the crime done to them.where as these families are being told "tough your family member is a drug addict and not worth our time".

It is down right devilish what is happening around the world.
All we can do is stand in unity amongst each other and then try to make a difference.

Blue you are by far a very "special' indiviual.Who has nothing but party lines and rhetoric to stand on.

Friday July 3, 2009, 12:25 am
Money cannot put the price on any head, life is dacred and God gievn... what a shame that they are offeing money, life of a person is priceless... lets prevent the killings and rethink the war... no one ever wins

Friday July 3, 2009, 5:19 am
Sure...you're sorry...you, Americans, are always thrust your nose into another country's business...you always bring tears and sorrow to the states you meddled in! But you think that was the stuff! USA is the richest country of the world, but it doesn't mean that your government can meddle in every state and kill its dwellers...
But God sees all, and soon you will get your punishment. And I hope it will be very cruel.

Sunday July 5, 2009, 4:10 am
Perhaps I can add a different dimension that most of you may not have considered, Firstly, as unpalatable as the concept of paying"blood money"is, if the main breadwinner has been killed of maimed, or one of the older sons, that family will quite likely starve, Most live basically a hand to mouth existence,The family/tribal structures in many cases have disintegrated. At least the $$$ may help in the immediate short term. In war torn countries, most families don't get 3 square meals a day.....obesity is NOT a problem there......as a matter of fact, just getting enough food to keep body and soul together is a challenge, To see a rubbish dump covered with so many people searching for food, or materials to build a primitive shelter, is something that you never forget, The old and the young have a high mortality rate, sickness quickly causes death, They don't have a safety net , in case of emergencies...you just die of disease or starvation,Obviously they don't want our military there, or our money....much prefer their loved one to be still alive.

And why are we in their country???? We should not be there....we are there because Big business/ Deep government want to run a pipeline or something, The US is in a critical stage economically, I have heard stories that your $US is due to fail in September. Your new currency will be called the Amero.. Do a Google search on Amero. The US government is nearly broke.. The taxpayer will not be able to pay the interest on the money your government has squandered, There are too many snouts in the trough.

I think most of us here are on the side of Peace and Sanity. Please we should be more gentle with each other, and give the benefit of the doubt,,Ask for clarification before using the steel toecaps,

Finally, try to understand how the world is being manipulated. Big Business/ Shadow government had the US election "organized", well before the election, You were given an option of an unpopular stumbling duo, and a charismatic leader, You elect your President, but if the Republicans had got in, nothing would change, and incidentally, nothing has changed for the better. You, and so are we in Australia, are being governed by non elected government, Our elected government just fire the bullets that Deep government give them. Even down to the level of local government where they are being ruled by a process called Agenda 21, again from a non elected government. Ask your local councilor about it, if they will admit it. I asked face to face, and I was asked how did I hear about it? They try to put a positive spin on it, but they use buz words to conceal the real facts.They treat us like mushrooms.....kept in the dark, and even the s**t we are being fed is petty old and rancid..

Sorry David, I did stray off the topic a bit,

Sunday July 5, 2009, 4:34 am
What a wonderful insight ! sure they are poor, but did they need some mighty Tyrant to invade them, kill them and put them in much misery than what they are? I peg for you understanding, my heart is bleeding for the Killers! and they families, just because some nuts have killed 300 dear valuable people in the twin towers, the whole Afghan country has to suffer , ! Hey Osama is out there , and no one can find him, the Bad Mighty Osama, can we put him a mouse trap?

Sunday July 5, 2009, 8:27 am
Huda
I would just like to correct you on the numbers of those dies in the Towers.

2,974 fatalities, excluding the 19 hijackers: 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors),
2,603 in New York City in the towers and on the ground,
125 at the Pentagon.
An additional 24 people remain listed as missing.
All of the fatalities in the attacks were civilians except for 55 military personnel killed at the Pentagon.
More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks on the World Trade Center.

There were not just americans that died in the Towers.This was not attack on the US but an atttack on the World.
I watched the second plane hit the Towers on the TV and then their fall.

Does it justifiy eye for an eye,NO.
But an attack is an attack.
Much of the world screams for justice in places like Darfur.But look to America to do something about these things.Then when we do we are called murders.
I don't know what is right and wrong anymore.
Corporate interest have infested all things that my country has stood for.Way before GWB.Special interest in the UN and the EU have taken this world to a level far beyond our understanding and all we can do is fight each other.

Sahdow governments,Corporations,the IMF,the UN,the EU, countless others growing closer...stronger and more brazan as we eat each other alive.

There realy is only way to stop this.
But who is willing,
Who is ready,
Who understands the true cost of freedom for the citizens of the world.....

"Ni ceart go cur le cheile"

"There is no strength without unity"

Sunday July 5, 2009, 8:48 am
Thanks Liberty!
happy 4Th, i was just thinking of you! , thanks for the correction, i agree, they may be 5000 or even 10.00 very true, life is life! so that leaves with an exchange rate of what? How many cheap Iraqis and afghan , for an American head? may be we can bargain on that, and you know what , i was fixed to the CNN, when the 2nd plane hit, and you know what !!!my heart went out, but when i think about it, I have to find the prove that Osama bin laden did, it, and I have to see with my own eyes those proves., i can say you drank, from my well! if i will, and scream my head off, and call the americans for you! what is the point, humans are humans, no mater how poor , how rich, or what colour, language , or gander¨we all feel the Pain, we all , have same blood colour and some of us share even same Adams DNA, and some have the Satan DNA! enough said about this!
enjoy your rest of celebration, Peace be with you and America! namastè

Monday July 6, 2009, 6:40 am
Happy 4Th for people of America. The deferent valuation is a confirmation of the ground philosophy of American race policy if you Ar not american and Anglo Saxon you are worth less.

Monday July 6, 2009, 7:15 am
We can not put a price tag on something we did not create. Dare I be a bold chicken little and yell "Blood is the life -it's filling the streets -God can hear them all screaming from the earth -they are his, NOT yours to do with as you please -oh -and there is no excuse for burying your head in the sand because it's not one of your own -get your sh!t in order people -THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

DEFENSE IS NOT WONDERING THOUSANDS OF MILES FROM YOUR OWN HOME, WALKING INTO SOMEONE ELSES HOUSE, KILLING THEM AND THEIR FAMILY BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT TELL THEM A PART FROM THE INTRUDER. WE DO NOT MURDER A CHILD FOR WHAT THE FATHER DOES AS WE DO NOT MURDER A FATHER FOR WHAT THE CHILD DOES -OR WIFE OR COUSIN -WHATEVER!! YOU ARE SOLEY RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY HUMAN LIFE YOU HUNT DOWN AND KILL -THAT IS NOT SELF DEFENSE -IT IS EVIL. GOD FORBID THE GERMANS MADE IT HERE BACK IN THE DAY -AS SO MANY AMERICANS HAVE MIXED BLOODLINES -OUR OWN MILITARY WOULD HAVE WIPED US OUT CALLING US NAZI'S. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

Monday July 6, 2009, 7:35 am
I will cry with you LORI!