Monday July 13, 2009, 3:29 pm
Well this is Iraq not Afghanistan but just how much death and destruction is justifiable in the search for the one and only Osama Bin Laden?...Two million people can't be wrong?

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "1,331,578"
www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq 4,322
icasualties.org/oif/

The War in Iraq Costs
$686,764,475,048 (So far, is that not enough in a failing economy?)

Monday July 13, 2009, 5:11 pm
Why indeed?
Nothing to do with the twin towers.
Nothing to do with 7/7.
Nothing to do with Madrid.
Nothing to do with Bali.

So which is cause and which is effect?

The UK lost 15 last week alone...eight in one day...two of them under 18.

How many Afghans have been killed?
How many were civilians?
Are drones the way to invade a country?

This story throws up more questions than answers...none of them in the comfort zone.

The Iraq figures show how the USA brings in Democracy and freedom...and at what cost.

Can we afford it?
an Afghanistan afford it?

Will we never learn from past follies?

Monday July 13, 2009, 6:32 pm
It would be great to think that we may David...But given our ignorance (or simply ignoring) past follies nothing is impossible...To me, it is a shame that humanity at large can even contemplate war...Why?...I do not know...Negotiation is not possible in 2009?...We tend to grow up very slowly...But surely the death toll speaks for itself...NO MORE WAR!

Monday July 13, 2009, 8:58 pm

an article off of 911truth.orgs front page

Stop bombing us: Osama isn’t here, says Pakistan


July 12, 2009
by Christina Lamb in Karachi
TimesOnline.co.uk

Osama bin Laden and the top Al-Qaeda leadership are not in Pakistan, making US missile attacks against them futile, according to the country's interior minister.

"If Osama was in Pakistan we would know, with all the thousands of troops we have sent into the tribal areas in recent months," Rehman Malik told The Sunday Times. "If he and all these four or five top people were in our area they would have been caught, the way we are searching."

He added: "According to our information Osama is in Afghanistan, probably Kunar, as most of the activities against Pakistan are being directed from Kunar."

Washington does not directly acknowledge its missile attacks on Pakistani territory by unmanned drone aircraft but Pakistani officials say the US has carried out more than 40 attacks inside its borders in the past 10 months, killing hundreds of people.


CIA officials claim these attacks have been highly effective in disrupting Al-Qaeda's ability to operate. However, Malik insists they are a waste of time because the Al-Qaeda leadership is on the other side of the border in eastern Afghanistan.

"They're getting mid-level people not big fish," he said. "And they are counterproductive because they are killing civilians and turning locals against our government. We try to win people's hearts, then one drone attack drives them away. One attack alone last week killed 50 people."

US officials in Islamabad say Pakistan's government is being disingenuous, claiming to oppose the drone attacks to win domestic support, while being quite happy to benefit from them.

On Friday two missiles fired from a drone destroyed a communications centre in South Waziristan that belonged to Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban responsible for a recent string of suicide attacks in Pakistan.

Pakistan's military admits it has been helped by intelligence from US surveillance flights over the tribal areas as well as the mountain region of Swat, where thousands of troops have been battling against another Taliban group which had taken over the area, forcing more than 2m people to flee.

Yesterday, the government told the refugees that it had cleared Taliban forces from most of Swat and they should return home.

Most refugees are reluctant, worried about continued hostilities and lack of food after fighting disrupted the harvest. Abdullah Yusufzai, a medical student who returned to the main city of Mingo-ra, said: "There is a real shortage of food and fighting is ongoing in the hills and the army is still blowing up houses of suspected militants."

The army has not yet caught the leaders of the Swat Taliban though the interior minister claims that the main leader, Maulana Fazlullah, has been hit twice and is badly wounded. "I'm quite confident we'll get them," he said.

"Not only have we killed most of them but we've also destroyed their hideouts and arms depots," he added. "We discovered long, wide tunnels they were using for weapons."

According to Malik, the families of the militant leaders had been discovered hiding in the refugee camps. Fazlullah's family was found in a camp in Haripur and taken into custody.

Troops will remain in Swat to prevent the Taliban from returning but the army's main focus is switching to the tribal areas of Waziristan, home to one of the area's fiercest tribes. South Waziristan is the headquarters of Mehsud, and the north is also a base of Jalaluddin Haqqani, an Afghan warlord with close links to Al-Qaeda believed to be responsible for the capture of an American soldier last week.

"Wherever these militants are, we'll get them out," said Malik. "The decision of the government is very firm - no mercy, no negotiation. They must surrender or die."

For all Washington's talk of an "AfPak strategy", he said, Pakistan's efforts to take on the Taliban their side of the border are being hampered by the failure of American and British troops in Afghanistan to monitor their side.

"Two years ago we were being criticised by the West for our ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence agency] helping the Taliban cross into Afghanistan," he said. "We have stopped the border crossing. Now we're finding the same situation -- they're coming from the other side, bringing arms and fighters from Helmand into Baluchistan and into Waziristan. Should we say it's Afghan or western intelligence helping them?"

He argued that Nato troops in Afghanistan should have first sealed the border before stepping up the fighting. "If we can't seal it totally we should seal it as much as possible," he said. "If we can't have a wall, at least let's put up barbed wire."

"They should replicate what we've done," he added. "We have 1,000 checkpoints on our side -- they have only 100, of which only 60 are working. It makes no sense to both be fighting either side of the border without stopping the militants crossing."

Karachi target

Political leaders have warned that Baitullah Mehsud, Pakistan's Taliban commander, is exploiting the political and refugee crisis to destabilise Karachi, the largest city in the country, writes Nicola Smith.

Thousands of Pashtun refugees loyal to Mehsud have fled to Karachi in the past few months to escape fighting in the northwest. More are expected to arrive from South Waziristan, on the border with Afghanistan.

This has led to fears that Pakistan's commercial capital, home to the banking industry and stock exchange, is becoming "Talibanised".

Syed Mustafa Kamal, mayor of Karachi, warned that Taliban insurgents are using their refugee status to establish strongholds.

Explaining that remittances were funding Taliban fighters, he said: "Karachi has become the revenue engine for the Taliban. If our enemies hit Karachi, then Pakistan's stability will be in question. Karachi is the fuel for Pakistan's economy."

The mayor claimed the city had 3,000 madrasahs (religious schools), which were closed to local students, and that the Taliban had begun to threaten women in short sleeves. Police said militants planned a terrorist strike.

My thoughts on the matter
They are still using the lie that we are in Afghanistan looking for Osama- why?
Oh yes 911 that's why-
UUUH-but our FBI does not want him for 9/11 at least not according to their website. Besides 9/11 was an inside job.
Soooo why are we in Afghanistan bombing Pakistan?
Oh yea that's right- I remember now-- we are there helping China get a foothold over Russia in aquiring the countries plentiful oil and natural gas reserves,and the rubies,and the sapphires,and the coal,and the copper,and the gold,and all the semi-precious gems,and last but not least-THE POPPIES!
Hunting Osama for 9/11 in Pakistan and Afghanistan my arse!
I agree with You David-NO MORE WAR!

Monday July 13, 2009, 9:22 pm
Does anyone in America seriously believe, to this day, that the war in Afghanistan is anything but a very unjust war? Bring home your kids before they get killed or kill themselves in embarrasment at the slaughter they are unwittingly involved in...

Yes Faith...NO MORE WAR!...It is idiotic is it not?...War solves nothing other than to reduce the population of the planet to pulp...Whatever happened to quietly sitting down with people and resolving our problems...Negotiation is no longer a choice?...Just kill 'em all and let God sort them out?...OMG how long is a piece of string?

Tuesday July 14, 2009, 7:43 am
Bravo David!

Wednesday July 15, 2009, 1:15 am
If the situation were reversed,US govt would be screaming bloody murderers.No, but they are not like us,they are savages,not human is the mentality of US.Still a caveman grunting and farting in his Cave.He thinks the only way to solve disputes is bash his imaginary enemies over the head with a club.I'm with you David,what happened to the Genocide of Native Americans is happening in Afghanistan.

Friday July 17, 2009, 6:51 am
War in mind of Rams Field, Cheyenne, Bush and the big finance group with the malty national company is business. Distraction of houses, bridges, electricity power stations, water stations etc. is unfortunately a guaranty Benefit for those mentioned group. I remember in a Aljezera news one Afghani in Afghanistan told the Reporter to tell the Americans that they don't need to bomb their children and family. Those Innocent civilian Afghanis have nothing to do with this war. But if the Americans insist to demolish their houses he can do that after he evacuates his and children for two hundred U.S.A.dollar. This is cheaper for the Americans and safer for him. Can those Americans and their allies stop in this Afghani man word and world? Can they learn from his anti holocaust., or may be they are ignorant.

Friday July 17, 2009, 7:22 am
All should note after the attack i have lost Care2 communication way, and David b(10) now is David b ( 0). You Can do Wat is necessary to but me in the truck.Yesterday i have send messages to many friend ?