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PETITION - Now Is the Time to Tell Obama to Stop the War in Afghanistan - It Is Time to Bring the Troops Home


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: war, afghanistan, obama, politics, time to leave, human rights, freedoms, terrorism, military, ethics )

David
- 93 days ago - salsa.democracyinaction.org
"If the American people don't rise up and demand an end to this thing right now, we could be in for another 8-10 years of brutal and bloody warfare, and in the end, the United States is, once again, going to lose." Let Obama know what you think.
Comments

David Buchan (161)
Thursday September 3, 2009, 6:40 pm
Petition:

I understand that General Stanley McChrystal has conducted a review of the situation in Afghanistan and is urging an escalation on all fronts.

Please do not take his advice. Escalation will put the United States deeper into a war-quagmire that will be difficult to escape. The time is now for the reversal of policy that will bring U.S. troops home now.

A majority of Americans oppose the war. This is coming from all segments of the American population. Even commentators who generally support military action, like George Will, are saying it is time to get out. As he points out "The war already is nearly 50 percent longer than the combined U.S. involvements in two world wars." These years of war demonstrate the failure of military action as a strategy in Afghanistan.

The United States cannot afford to keep borrowing money to fight this unnecessary war. The U.S. military is exhausted. U.S. troops are overtaxed and do not have the energy to fight this war. There is no one who can guarantee that adding tens of thousands of more troops will ensure victory in Afghanistan. Even General McChrystal cannot make that promise. Please do not command more lives and treasure to this mistaken war.

Americans oppose the Afghanistan war for many reasons. But, at the root of the opposition, is the question: "What are we fighting for?" Frankly, this war makes no sense. Al Qaeda is no longer even in Afghanistan. When the United States kills civilians it creates more enemies and undermines U.S. security. Every day the U.S. stays in Afghanistan is counterproductive to national security.

Please re-think the Afghan war policy and bring U.S. troops home now.

Sincerely, (your name)
 

Gerry C. (14)
Thursday September 3, 2009, 7:35 pm
Noted and signed. Thank you David!
 

Carol W. (125)
Thursday September 3, 2009, 11:01 pm
Peace and signed.
David please get on some happier eyes, and wakefulness. You look scary and out of ?

TY
 

Ben Oscarsito (319)
Thursday September 3, 2009, 11:59 pm
"Thank you for taking action! Ask your friends to join us"
 

Koo J. (92)
Friday September 4, 2009, 12:39 am
How many other people have to die for this invasion? It needs to stop now. What is the real reason that US troops are there? Oil, natural gas, control of the region. Horrid.
 

Sweet Dissident (23)
Friday September 4, 2009, 1:09 am
I would love to see an end to war as a viable option in securing hegemony or anything else for that matter. War kills children indiscriminately. That alone should make us pause. How many have the "terrorists" killed, and how many have we killed, how many innocents? I hope we look at the causes behind terror, and do what we can to help our neighbors instead of bombing their countries to bits because of terror.
 

Kristmas Kat Purrr-fect Holidaze (338)
Friday September 4, 2009, 1:39 am
I asked that we spent as much money on negotiating and working towards peace as we do in sending more troops over there to use guns.

Thank you, David....thank you for making people here in this country stand up and take a good look around at what the rest of the world thinks we should do!
 

Joycey B. (695)
Friday September 4, 2009, 3:16 am
Thanks David.

End the Afghanistan War!
Thank you for taking action! Ask your friends to join us.
 

Pamylle G. (250)
Friday September 4, 2009, 4:38 am
Already signed - thanks for posting, David. This horror must end !
 

Tierney G. (309)
Friday September 4, 2009, 5:11 am
Signed Thanks David
 

Marion Y. (285)
Friday September 4, 2009, 8:02 am
Gladly signed. Thanks David.
 

Richard V. (0)
Friday September 4, 2009, 10:31 am
Didn't we vote for "CHANGE"? Didn't we learn from the experiences of so many earlier invading armies? Didn't someone refer to Afghanistan as "THE GRAVEYARD OF EMPIRES"?? CHANGE..OUT NOW! RichFromTampa
 

Carolyn T. (233)
Friday September 4, 2009, 10:58 am
Noted. "End the Afghanistan War! Thank you for taking action!" War anywhere in lamentable, but I have family members seeing action there now and this is an emotionally-laden topic for me. Thank you for the story and link to the petition, David.
 

Chaz Gaily Berlusconi (255)
Friday September 4, 2009, 11:04 am
Thannnx David.. I agree our boys need to come home.. protect the US from the US
 

Adam I. (13)
Friday September 4, 2009, 11:38 am
This would be a highly wise step.

Hopefully, we would stop considering wars, violence, as a legitimate and one of the first means of making one's point or reaching one's goal - no matter how magnanimous the point and/or the goal are supposed to be.
As far as i know, animals fight in case of 'misunderstand' and disagreement and even they seem to have the awareness of not endangering others and the surroundings during their proceedings: they use exclusively their natural strenght, their claws and teeth.
We, Humans, the Cream of the creams - the first on the ladder of beings - use machine guns, tanks, airplanes, submarines...We drop bombs on all and everything; killing indescriminately and innocent fellow Humans and their children and dogs and cats and dolphins and whales...Destroying the environment, poisoning water...

Strange creatures, we are.
 

Mike Mitchell (10)
Friday September 4, 2009, 12:51 pm
All we are saying is give peace a chance.STOP WAR
 

Dana R. (2)
Friday September 4, 2009, 1:36 pm
This is my additional paragraph which I added to the original text:
Let's look down the road. If it should occur that the Taliban is defeated in Afghanistan and some sort of government is elected, when do we withdraw our troops? After a year? After five years? It doesn't really matter. Just as soon as our troops are withdrawn the war lords will take over again and the same situation will be as we have now will generate. It is a loosing game for us no matter what. After all the years of military action in Afghanistan all that we will get out of it will be massive costs and the death and major injuries of our soldiers. The war in Afgahanistan is a no-win situation for the people of this country but great for the careers of the military brass, a source for advancement not occurring in peace. The time has come to recognize that this war will never yield a single good for either this country or for the people of Afghanistan. Only they can bring about change.
 

Marilyn K. (9)
Friday September 4, 2009, 1:53 pm
We were bogged down in Viet Nam until we had to withdraw and guess what, the world recovered. After losing 4,000 young people in Iraq, what did we accomplish, we will leave and the world will recover. Now in Afghanistan we are again following the same pattern. Yes, we should defend outselves but let us try other methods as the ones we used and are still using are not working.
Let us bring education, agriculture and, yes, entertainment to bring people together and try to not always bring in the troops.

 

MILAN K. (14)
Friday September 4, 2009, 2:03 pm
please boycott the war in afghanisthan as it is its killing innocent people around the world stop this young children and mothers and fathers are being killed for nothing because of this war end this right now how can you be so cruel it does'nt solve anything by fighting thank you from milan.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 4, 2009, 3:31 pm
Obama does not control the war machine, nor does the pentagon, nor does any threat from the people there, the control of the war machine is by the evil will of David Rockefeller, NO OTHER he is the play caller and has been most of his almost 100 years.

Now WHY Afghanistan? Two things pipelines needed to send natural gas to China ---- to control the poppy market.

The Rockefellers have been in both of those businesses throughout their days.

The most revenue generated today is in Drugs

The second in Energy.

Now, back when Paulson wanted bailout money FIRST TIME. A poll on CNN asks the American people to vote----WE DID--- 87% said NO.

Now next thing about petitions going up stream to OBAMA. Who can even conceive of having a petition with about 125 million signatures?

Now even if that happened the White House would still look the other way for that is the will of David Rockefeller the King of the NEW WORLD ORDER to keep war alive.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 4, 2009, 3:38 pm
NOW SOME MIGHT ASK IS THERE NO HOPE? Of course there is but not in this manner and we should all be aware of the dread that most of us face today in America for there is a plot here to take a greater of the Population out.

And many just sneer and de-cry that as BS and go along as if we had years to right the wrongs. And simply put we do not.

But that message of good information and knowing the TRUTH only plays to a few in the many that know the real issues the world populations face today.

If you care to JOIN IN go to my page and look around, there a NEW DRUM from an OLD TIME beats to set the captives free.

 

Mamabear Claw (164)
Friday September 4, 2009, 3:42 pm
I believe that Obama will make the right choice. Why the Afghanistan war will not get any better and he will figure out another way to protect our Country. But we must remember who attacked us on 9/11. I will respectully past on signing petition
 

David Buchan (161)
Friday September 4, 2009, 4:06 pm
I respectfully disrespect your decision Mamabear but do you really believe that slaughtering innocent civilians in a country far away is protecting you?...Who did attack you on 9/11?
 

JohnMichael Talboo (89)
Friday September 4, 2009, 4:49 pm
Noted/signed.
 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (414)
Friday September 4, 2009, 5:28 pm
David, why do you feel like presenting yourself as a caricature of the Mad Monk, Rasputin? Very scarey!

Partly I wrote on another thread:

In Afghanistan, the U.S. CAN HOLD NO TERRITORY. If you saw a topographical map of the mountainous region, you'd see why. Actually, in VIET NAM the U.S wasn't able to hold onto territory! In both these instances, and in ALL instances in fact, where an invader is fighting an indigenous force -- what is "gained" in the daytime, tends to be LOST AGAIN at night, or THE MINUTE THAT THE OCCUPYING FORCES WITHDRAW. Imagine, for example, the Viet Cong trying to "occupy" your own home town! During the day, they might manage to "hold" a few blocks; but, the MINUTE THE FORCES WITHDREW TO FIGHT ELSEWHERE, the citizens of your town would TAKE THE AREA BACK, wouldn't they???????
Even with "increased troops", we can't be in EVERY MOUNTAIN VALLEY, ON EVERY RIDGE AND HILL, IN EVERY VILLAGE OR COLLECTION OF HUTS. We can't station one soldier every few yards all over the whole vast country. Every cave and every icy pinnacle and every glacier and every unmapped mountain pass!
The very MOMENT, the very SECOND the Americans leave Spot 'A' for Spot 'B', THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SPOT 'A' AND KNOW THE GEOGRAPHY PERFECTLY WELL, WILL MOVE RIGHT BACK.... Oh and by the way, the Afghans I guess are just as gun-crazy as Americans, if not more so.....
WHAT do "our leaders" think they're DOING.....???!!!
Absolutely POINTLESS loss of life on BOTH sides, which will decide NOTHING AT ALL. Just who gets home alive and who doesn't.

The U.S., wherever it intervenes, actually STRENGTHENS the forces of reaction and fundamentalism, which then become identified with Nationalism and Repelling The Evil Invader, become the dominant and most coherent force operating. Before the U.S. invasion, there were lots of Afghan tribes fighting each other. WE supported the Taliban, at first, with our arms and money, as being the most coherent force around to fight against the Russians! After the U.S. withdraws, as it finally MUST withdraw -- there is ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE OF "WINNING" IN AFGHANISTAN AT ALL -- there will, it is predicted by experts {Harper's Magazine}, be tribes fighting each other again; the Taliban being {we can hope} simply ONE element.

I may add, that THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT GO AROUND INTERVENING IN EVERY COUNTRY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING UNDER DICTATORSHIPS. For example, I have just seen a moving documentary about the sufferings of the Burmese people under their 20+ years under a brutal military junta that thinks nothing of massacring peaceful, non-violent Buddhist monks inside their monasteries. We're not about to interfere THERE!

Don't you have a STRONG suspicion, that the U.S. ONLY, ONLY intervenes in a dictatorship, when.....aaaaaah..... when OIL just HAPPENS to be involved???
And that, this talk, talk, talk about "overthrowing dictators" and "emancipating women" {oh, the HYPOCRISY of that!!!}, is MERELY PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO GET PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR WARS THAT ARE MEANINGLESS TO ANY OF OUR INTERESTS; I mean, of your and my interests. But, of course, very MUCH to the WEALTHY MEGA-CORPORATIONS' INTERESTS. Including, the CONTRACTORS that supply the workforce; and the INTERNATIONAL WEAPONS MANUFACTURERS AND DEALERS, that we borrow money from China to pay off!!! [And build up trillions and trillions of dollars in DEBT for future generations. You mean, this enormous DEBT is WORTH IT to "overthrow some petty dictators" and "free women" in some faraway lands, that DO NOT THREATEN THE U.S. ONE SINGLE BIT?}

 

Joe Jones (2)
Friday September 4, 2009, 5:57 pm
we need to pursue and defeat the taliban/al-queda at any cost because failure to do so would mean more 9/11's in the future...the surge worked in iraq and will work in afghanastan.....i would rather see the taliban/al-queda in caves looking out for alliance troops/drones instead of mounting attacks on u.s civilians from bases in afganastan....to have such a small amount deaths compared to any major war in the history of the world shows that we are and can win this war...we had no choice but to invade
 

Mandi T. (265)
Friday September 4, 2009, 6:35 pm


End the Afghanistan War!
Thank you for taking action
Thanks David for posting~~~~!
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday September 4, 2009, 8:00 pm
The AP ran a photo of a Marine attacked in Afghanistan. The Pentagon isn't pleased.
 

David Buchan (161)
Friday September 4, 2009, 8:25 pm
"we had no choice but to invade"...?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 4, 2009, 8:59 pm
I don’t agree with you David.
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (515)
Friday September 4, 2009, 11:13 pm
Thank you for taking action! Ask your friends to join us. Letters must be brief to pass spam tests. We recommend using the default letter below.

What poor, pathetic, pitiful little
Joe Jones doesn't understand is:
The only thing the Taliban has ever done
to the United States is to refuse to allow
Unocal (Union Oil of California) to build
a pipeline across Afghanistan....well, okay,
that, and the fact that the Taliban had almost
succeeded in wiping out poppy growth....horrors!
Where else would the CIA have gotten all their
money for black book operations, if not from
Afghani heroin?!
Joe, you make me sick.
Then, you make me laugh.

Thanks, David.
noted.
 

Cheree Million (132)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 1:25 am
Noted & signed. Thanks
 

Joe Jones (2)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 4:15 am
the taliban gave safe haven to al-queda and let them set up training camps which they used to train terrorists to attack U.S civilians on U.S soil...very simple to understand...and tim you make me laugh too and we all know laughter releases natural endorphins,so thanks !..and david if we did not invade how long before another major attack on a U.S city would it take? not long...a good offense in better than a good defense in this situation
 

elaine k. (0)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 8:09 am
The feeling in United Kingdom is drawn to the fact that we willnever win this war. As said before those with power and the drug barons will still run the country.
As in the book All Quiet on the Western Front stated, put all the generals, all the war lords, together and let them fight it out. One innocent in the forces is too many to die.
Religion will always be the cause of Wars, this will not change.
You cannot stop fanatics.
 

Kari D. (173)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 10:08 am
End the Afghanistan War!
Thank you for taking action
 

Bryan S. (34)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 10:34 am
Petition signed, but unfortunately citizen opposition to war never seems to matter to the elites who use it to expand their power. The war in Afghanistan is about strategic control of that oil rich part of the world and US contol of a pipeline that must go through Afghanistan.

Joe Jones, how in the world do you figure we would be attacked if Afghanistan was not invaded? Al Queda is not some local Afghan group that will be gone if we "win" there. There is no military solution in Afghanistan, as far as defeating al Queda. The only thing US occupation has accomplished is to make the unpopular Taliban seem a better option to the Afghans than the US occupiers.

What is truly sad (besides of course the millions who die or suffer) and ironic is the fact that we constantly hear how providing health care to every American is simply unaffordable, yet somehow we can spend 100s of billions year after year on the insanity of unecessary wars.
 

Carol W. (125)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 10:51 am
Fanatics will always be...........truer words never spoken.
Speaking of, the Religious Right-wow;
,, http://www.care2.com/news/member/239636036/1240965

Right on Bryan. All the money for greedy defense good ole' boys, rather than a countries people's.
 

Carol W. (125)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 10:57 am
Great input Blue. Thanks Dave!
 

Michael Dewey (427)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 11:51 am
Bring all thwe troops home and close all of our over sea bases.
 

David Buchan (161)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 3:34 pm
Dwight...The other choice was to NOT invade. OK?...Why occupy/kill an entire country because a few individuals blew up the twin towers?...INSANE!
No-one is that stupid, therefore the war was started for 'personal reasons'?...NO MORE WAR!
 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (414)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 4:37 pm
First of all, the finding of NANOTHERMITE residue in dust all over New York City from the Twin Towers, shows that 9/11 HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN INSIDE JOB. It is generally agreed abroad, that THE TWIN TOWERS WERE BROUGHT DOWN BY EXPLOSIONS FROM WITHIN; and NOT by "fire, or being hit by airplanes". Eyewitnesses at the scene, professionals such as firefighters and police, reliable observers of such things, reported both seeing and hearing and even FEELING, explosions in the buildings. These eye-witness reports were later SUPPRESSED. There is absolutely NO DOUBT AT ALL, that there WERE explosions. You look at videos, at the many videos taken from different angles of the Twin Towers on that day, with new eyes, or in slow motion, and you can actually SEE the "squibs" or "puffs" of the sequential explosions! Going down the sides of the buildings. The FIRST live reports by reporters on the scene, also mentioned explosions, as in "demolitions". Later on, though, the reporters seem to be all following a similar "script". Hmmm, no comment.

NANOTHERMITE is NOT something that comes from an Afghan cave! It is or was a VERY RECENT, and until recently VERY SECRET, stuff developed for and by THE U.S. MILITARY. It is much too complicated and too new a process to be even KNOWN or possible to manufacture, anywhere outside of highly-specialized Military labs in the U.S.

Among other things, NANOTHERMITE doesn't go "boom" like TNT would; like we "expect" an explosive to do. Also, NANOTHERMITE produces HEAT ENOUGH TO MELT STEEL; there were rivers of molten steel for weeks, in the basements of the destroyed buildings! NANOTHERMITE has the power to melt thick solid steel beams, and to turn concrete into DUST, not just "rubble" like other explosives do, but DUST, as we all saw those huge dust clouds in New York that people were fleeing from..... NO OTHER KIND OF EXPLOSIVE DOES THAT. NOR DOES "FIRE".

Therefore, the ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION IS, that NO AFGHAN, IRAQI, OR ANY OTHER "FOREIGN ARAB/MUSLIM TERRORIST", could POSSIBLY have had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with the fall of the Twin Towers.
I shall leave the speculation of WHO, then, did it, up in the air for now. Like, we KNEW the Bush/Cheney mis-Administration was EVIL; but we had no idea they could be THAT evil?????????? It is, admittedly, a pretty hard pill for even the most anti-Bush individuals, to swallow. [Maybe Bushco just knew about it and "let" 9/11 happen? Then, WHO HAD ACCESS TO THE TWIN TOWERS TO SET THE EXPLOSIVES IN ADVANCE OF 9/11????? The exact "sequence" the explosives had to go off in, to bring down the Twin Towers, would've had to be set BY COMPUTERS.....!]{By the way, to use the CORRECT words, the Twin Towers did NOT "collapse" as is the now-common way of putting it; the Twin Towers actually "DIS-INTEGRATED". Dis-integrated into dust; together with all their contents. Chairs, desks, toilets, bodies, etc., were not charred hulks, as in a fire, or an earthquake collapse; but TURNED INTO HUGE DUST CLOUDS. That is quite a different thing; and the word "DIS-INTEGRATE", gives a more accurate mental image of WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.}

Bushco didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan "because of 9/11"; they MADE 9/11 HAPPEN as an EXCUSE because they WANTED all along to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. {It's the OIL, stupid!}
Please refer to the Downing Street Papers. Available with a minimum amount of research on the Internet.
NONE of this is being "made up". Sources can be cited for EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT.

See also "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth"; "Police for 9/11 Truth"; "Scientists for 9/11 Truth"; and other similar sites on the Internet. Will OPEN EVERYONE'S EYES! I believe there are also "Reporters for 9/11 Truth", "Pilots for 9/11 Truth", "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth", AND OTHER SITES WHERE COMPETENT PROFESSIONALS SPEAK OUT.

The FBI itself says, quote, "THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION BETWEEN OSAMA BIN LADEN, AND 9/11".
This also, can be LOOKED UP. Please DO SO.
Especially you, "Joe Jones". You CANNOT REFUTE THIS WITH FACTS.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 4:40 pm
Y'all don't know anything aobut what happens when "first responders" are called into action ... do some reseqarch and get back to me ...
 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (414)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 5:19 pm
I am trying to imagine, just what kind of "training" could be given by Al-Qaida, assuming for the moment that they ARE in Afghanistan, to "terrorists" to "attack Americans on American soil".
Do you guys who say such things, even ever THINK, THINK about what you are SAYING?

Does Afghanistan have an imposing Air Force? No. Does it have a Navy? No. Can "terrorists" fly or walk on water? Well, if they are devout enough Muslims..... even then, I don't think so!

Those "terrorists" who were used as "patsies" to look like they were flying planes into towers.... they had to get their flight training, such as it was, in the U.S., in Florida! {To fly small planes, not Boeing 757s! But that's entirely another story.}
Sure, they can be "trained" in guerrilla warfare, to run around with guns, doing ambushes, attacks, retreats, escapes, street fighting, etc. But, for that to have some use against Americans, WE HAVE TO GO OVER THERE AND EXPOSE OURSELVES TO IT!!!!!

WOW! WE GO OVER THERE IN ORDER FOR GUERRILLAS TO PRACTICE WARFARE ON US!!! Send the cream of our young men and women over for that, to serve street fighters as TARGET PRACTICE! That REALLY makes a lot of sense!!!

HOW could the cunning, wily Ay-rabs have ACCESS TO BUILDINGS GUARDED BY HIGH SECURITY, to blow them up? Are there "secret" Ay-rab methods of by-passing Security Guards, dis-abling high-tech locks, alarms, cameras, other security devices, methods that our own native would-be bank robbers don't know of? Is THAT what's being "taught" in those "training camps"?

How could they be TRAINED TO FLY BOEING 757s, by computer maybe? Why in AFGHANISTAN? {Where do they get the electricity for hi-tech devices....?} Wouldn't training in someplace like GERMANY be more logical?

I mean, really, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. What are Afghans and other "terrorists" learning in "training camps"? Young men and boys are taught how to handle guns, right? and other techniques that basically haven't changed much in over 100 years, maybe the techniques of our own Civil War or Indian Fighting Eras.........

HOW DOES THIS IMPINGE ON YOUR AND MY SECURITY IN THE U.S.???

These guys have MAGIC POWERS, they can fly or walk on water and land in your home town, in your front yard......

THAT IS WHAT BUSHCO, AND THOSE WHO *PROFIT* EXTENSIVELY FROM WARS, ARE TRYING TO MAKE YOU THINK. Trying their hardest, to create HYSTERIA.....

Just coolly stand back and THINK for ONE MOMENT!!!!!


 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (414)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 5:27 pm
Blue, I'm sorry, your last post is too ambiguous for me to understand.... was it for me or for someone else? Sorry but I'm in the dark......
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 5:34 pm
The essence of the War Machine in America is to Rob us blind while we further enrich the rich for their personal gains and world ruling agendas.

Now, those are facts with proof that comprise the TRUTH.

So then the TRUTH is that our sons and daughters are held up high on the American Pagan ALTAR by the ruling Pagan High Priest and slain while wearing and American military uniform.
And the ones who have be dumb down cheer and raise the American Flag.

Now, does everyone GET THOSE CLEAR WORDS.
 

Joe Jones (2)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 7:47 pm
watch on national geo. 9/11 truth and conspiracy(it just aired and uses facts and science not emotion) it explains everything about nanothermite and other conpiracy theorys which will enlighten you....everything you say is classic conspiracy theory...
 

LUCKY ARTLADY (45)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 9:49 pm
NOTED, SIGNED, THANK YOU MARION AND HEAR YE, YEAR YE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

BMutiny ThemIDefy (414)
Saturday September 5, 2009, 11:38 pm
When a group of people get together and plot something, that is a REAL conspiracy. REAL conspiracies do exist. Fake ideas about conspiracies exist too, of course. But calling something "conspiracy theory" does NOT invalidate it.
This is not "theory", anyway, but fact. The Downing Memoranda are FACT. They are INDISPUTABLE. Science is science. Galileo and Isaac Newton would NOT have accepted the scientifically-impossible govt LIES about 9/11. Neither do any REPUTABLE scientists. Or Architects, Physicists, Structural Engineers, etc. Some are afraid to speak out; some who spoke out have indeed lost their jobs, or faced Death Threats. But nobody REPUTABLE, in any PEER-REVIEWED PUBLICATION, has YET come forward and supported the govt. There have been some shameful toadies of no scientific reputation whatsoever, who have acted as apologists for the govt. And, understandably, there are many who don't speak out IN PUBLIC. But, if you go to the sites I have mentioned, there are HUNDREDS of people with STERLING REPUTATIONS IN THEIR FIELDS, who are NOT afraid, and who DISPUTE the govt version of 9/11 events and causes. HUNDREDS of them. And not amateurs like myself; but PROFESSIONALS with CREDENTIALS in their particular field of expertise, DIRECTLY RELATED to knowledge of some aspect of 9/11. Such as fire-fighting; piloting planes; demolitions; structure of buildings and materials; chemistry; physics; etc.
What has all this got to do with "emotion"? Facts are facts are facts.

Every single DAY, more and more people become aware of this REAL govt "conspiracy" to HIDE THE FACTS. The GOVT COVERUP.
The job of the "debunkers" such as "Joe", is an IMPOSSIBLE one.

 

David Buchan (161)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 12:48 am
9/11 WAS an inside job!...Facts are facts and why deny them?...The evidence is undeniable...It is out there for all to see...It really is a shame that so many believe the government/media spin and live in denial of the truth. Guess it's just the way we are?...Or are we?...Why not sign the petition to stop further bloodshed?...Do it now, there is no tomorrow today, tomorrow never comes, DO IT NOW!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 2:36 am
Petitions have been a way for years to get attention for a cause or need. But since google became the clearinghouse for most of the Internet chatter, there is another way now.

I have the proof in a fact that google is part of our Big Brother eyes and ears. For a time google was using a pop up with a voice to publish a new way to make money.

My wife fell for it.

Then after she gave then CON our credit card number the phone started ringing telling her all the work that must be done and about how our credit card would be deduced monthly for that service to try and make a buck she started calling to cancel. She told me all was canceled so I thought OH WELL.

Then 45 days later here comes a charge for $35 dollars from that source.

Doing what I do I made that public using my Care2 share then sent that around my universe of newspapers and other media giants etc.

With the pictures of the Google Billionaires condemning them for such acts of theft.

In about a week in our area the google con stopped.

To view what was published go to my page and look down through the shares to find just how and what I did.

At this time I am publishing the need for our billionaires in America kick in some billions to fund We the People Advocates to take back our Government for We the People. I do that almost every day with pictures of the billionaires addressed too.

I am confidant that soon very soon most of the ones will begin to kick in.

Thus in closing we must learn that our voices and votes do count and not be afraid to tell all who has ears to hear, and I believe that google has those ears and eyes to tell all. You can see those on my shares too.

Now what is needed a lot more chatter saying the identical same thing?
 

David Buchan (161)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 4:59 am
Do you have another avenue of petitions reaching their goal Dwight?...Did you and your wife think "OH WELL". Or George Orwell? He did not forsee you, nor did I...

But why stop here, go for it...It is now beyond all time to take back, into our hands, the government 'we' elected to look after us, but did not because they have too many priorities to be bothered...

The time has come?...Do 'we' count at all?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 5:05 am
American Billionaires time to Kick In
By Dwight Baker
Dbaker007@stx.rr.com
September 6, 2009

Who knows and who cares if you elite Cares? But one thing for sure you got the money and We the People Advocates need some of it.

The ruling elites has run our nation in the ground many times, and the great depression was one of them.

Now that same class of thugs is out to do it again, but this time GOD will not allow.

So you might ask “What’s in it for me”?

Good question, you can kick in the needed cash now ---- to help us take back our country legally and sane like with no blood running in the streets, and there is a good chance that repentance will work and then you get to stay.

Or after we get the biggest vote ----“And we will”---- in Washington DC stand the chance of being deported or worse.

WHY much proof is out there today that ties a bunch of you guys and girls to the wicked despot driven David Rockefeller the King of the New World Order.

Your King David Rockefeller near term agenda “Is written in stone by We the People” he will to be Charged, Indicted and tried for Treason. You want a taste of that too?

So check you back pocket drag out a few billion contact ----
Dwight Baker Chairman We the People Advocates –830-773-1077 or dbaker007@stx.rr.com then or Directors and guardians of our money will contact you directly.
------NO REASON TO STALL------

A Free public service announcement for a Not for profit contribution.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 5:12 am
Who cried out for
BILL GATES to be a Farmer???
By Dwight Baker re-published in parts from the Nation
Dbaker007@stx.rr.com
September 6, 2009

The big players have a saying
“Hey bud you want to run the show ----- time to put your skin in the game”!

What? Some might say, “Bill Gates ain’t no farmer”!

Looks to me “like” that Bill Gates has done just that in Africa putting his money up to tell the locals there he knows more about farming in Africa than the locals living there for 10,000 years. Read the words below to find out JUST HOW that all come about.

In Uganda a friend of mine on CARE2 a good man and his congregation of sane folks that started a school for the SLUM KIDS, have be praying for BILL GATES to give them $100 million to build and maintain schools through the SLUMS to give the KIDS a new way to live and a new perspective that GOD does still rule.

GOOD CAUSE, you bet. Now will BILL GATES when you get this little NOTE grab the $100 million and hand it over too the ones on the ground that can and will do right not wrong with that money to save thousands if not millions of the Uganda SLUM KIDS?

BILL GATES A FARMER IN AFRICA???

The first Green Revolution spawned and exacerbated many social divisions, especially around access to land and resources, since the scale required by Green Revolution technologies meant that it was systematically biased against smallholders. The GATES Foundation is clearly aware of the importance of smallholder agriculture; but a leaked internal strategy document suggests that something else is more important: "Over time, this [strategy] will require some degree of land mobility and a lower percentage of total employment involved in direct agricultural production." "Land mobility" is an Orwellian term meaning the land stays where it is but the people on it are driven off. The foundation stands behind this idea, saying that peasants will head to cities "because there are a lot of them who don't want to be farmers [and] people make their own choices."

The preference for private sector contributions to agriculture shapes the Gates Foundation's funding priorities. In a number of grants, for instance, one corporation appears repeatedly--Monsanto. To some extent, this simply reflects Monsanto's domination of industrial agricultural research. There are, however, notable synergies between Gates and Monsanto: both are corporate titans that have made millions through technology, in particular through the aggressive defense of proprietary intellectual property. Both organizations are suffused by a culture of expertise, and there's some overlap between them. Robert Horsch, a former senior vice president at Monsanto, is, for instance, now interim director of Gates's agricultural development program and head of the science and technology team. Travis English and Paige Miller, researchers with the Seattle-based Community Alliance for Global Justice, have uncovered some striking trends in Gates Foundation funding. By following the money, English told us that "AGRA used funds from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to write twenty-three grants for projects in Kenya. Twelve of those recipients are involved in research in genetically modified agriculture, development or advocacy. About 79 percent of funding in Kenya involves biotech in one way or another." And, English says, "so far, we have found over $100 million in grants to organizations connected to Monsanto."

This isn't surprising in light of the fact that Monsanto and Gates both embrace a model of agriculture that sees farmers suffering a deficit of knowledge--in which seeds, like little tiny beads of software, can be programmed to transmit that knowledge for commercial purposes. This assumes that Green Revolution technologies--including those that substitute for farmers' knowledge--are not only desirable but neutral. Knowledge is never neutral, however: it inevitably carries and influences relations of power.

They're returning to family land that has been farmed by women, who have developed rich knowledge about agriculture. The technologies that the Gates Foundation funds, like hybrid seed and synthetic fertilizer, require much less know-how than some of the diverse traditional systems managed by women. In many African cultures, women grow the majority of food, but men control access to cash. Rather than supporting and building on women's agricultural knowledge systems, cash-based agricultural technology allows men with the economic wherewithal to displace women as farmers.
It was innovative ecological technologies like push-pull (and not traditional Green Revolution approaches) that were praised by a recent international effort to assess the future of agriculture. "The International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development" (IAASTD), a report modeled after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, took more than four years to complete and relied on the expertise of more than 400 scientists. It was adopted by fifty-eight countries in the global North and South (though not the United States, Canada or Australia). The IAASTD found that a focus on small-scale sustainable agriculture, locally adapted seed and ecological farming better address the complexities of climate change, hunger, poverty and productive demands on agriculture in the developing world. That report--the most comprehensive scientific assessment of world agriculture to date--recommended development strategies that are in large part the opposite of those backed by the Gates Foundation.

The Gates Foundation acknowledges the relevance of the IAASTD's insights. But it continues to invest heavily in biotech solutions to the problem of hunger and gives short shrift to the agroecological approaches recommended by the report. What's more, there's empirical reason to doubt whether biotech can deliver what Gates is hoping for. Genetically modified (GM) seeds are expensive, proprietary and contribute to the corporate monopolization of the world's seed supply. Despite extraordinary restrictions on research into the effects of GM products--the industry refuses to allow independent researchers to study patented seed--evidence is finally emerging of the significant environmental and health risks they pose, prompting the American Academy of Environmental Medicine earlier this year to call for an immediate moratorium on GM food.

Prestigious research organizations like the Union of Concerned Scientists have demonstrated that GM crops (which are legal for commercial use in only three African countries) do not increase intrinsic yields, and, in the developing world especially, can increase costs and risks to smallholders, with mixed, often negative effects on their incomes. Although the Gates Foundation has promised crops genetically engineered for drought tolerance, these crops have yet to outperform traditional varieties, according to an assessment by the Australian government. The foundation has also spent more than $111 million to "biofortify" (genetically engineer) crops to have a higher vitamin content, despite past technical and cultural failures that indicate a diverse diet goes much further than genetically engineered supplements in supporting good nutrition.

Africa's New Poster Child: The Malawi 'Miracle'

One place where the new Green Revolution has gotten a head start is the small East African nation of Malawi. After a severe drought in 2003, more than a third of the country needed food aid to survive. Bucking advice from the World Bank, the country began giving out vouchers on a large scale for subsidized fertilizer in 2005. The rains returned, yields rose, Malawi began exporting grain and the international community declared the hunger crisis over.

The Gates Foundation has been aggressively supporting the funding of fertilizer in Africa through grants to establish a network of private agro-input dealers. While the program doesn't explicitly subsidize the price of fertilizers to farmers, it encourages national policies to increase fertilizer availability. If the problem for African farmers is soil fertility, funding fertilizer seems unimpeachable. A closer examination of the data raises some troubling questions, though. It isn't clear whether it was the fertilizer or the rain that caused yields to increase. Worse yet, according to sources in Malawi, hunger has not abated at anywhere near the levels believed by the international development community.

Indeed, there's reason to think that fertilizer subsidies may render societies more vulnerable to famine. Roland Bunch, a former agronomist at World Neighbors and author of Two Ears of Corn, a handbook on people-centered agricultural development, explains the problem. "The indirect effects of subsidized fertilizer are that farmers stop amending their soils with organic matter because it is easier to apply fertilizer. When the subsidies dry up--as they invariably do--farmers are left with soils that are so inert that they can't even grow a good green manure to restore fertility. At that point, with neither chemical fertilizer nor green manures being feasible, we could easily witness a famine across Africa like nothing we have ever seen before."

This is a concern echoed on the ground. Rachel Bezner Kerr, a professor at the University of Western Ontario, has been working in Malawi for more than a decade. She says that Malawi's fertilizer subsidies are "masking food security problems for the long term." Bezner Kerr works with a project in Malawi that takes a different approach to soil health by relying on local farmer experimenters. One village headman has, for instance, encouraged his village to adopt ecological agriculture, which not only improves yields but produces a diverse diet that has improved the health of the community's children, at a fraction of the cost of Gates's genetically engineered nutrition projects. Much like push-pull, the result of that project, which spread to more than 7,000 households, is that families--and the soil--are better off.

When asked about how AGRA affects projects like hers, Bezner Kerr says, "When farmers get vouchers [for fertilizer], they wonder, Why incorporate crop residues? If AGRA is putting all that money into fertilizer, it is taking away from efforts like ours." Like Bunch, she's concerned about the economic as well as the environmental sustainability of fertilizer giveaways. "What happens when AGRA leaves?"

The Gates Foundation responds to criticism of its funding decisions by saying that it is learning all the time, with a state-of-the-art system that will soon let the project officers seek feedback through the cellphones of more than 10,000 farmer stakeholders. It's unusual in the world of foundations to have such a strong commitment to correcting mistakes. In its flexibility and openness to reform, the Gates Foundation seems ready to depart from the trajectory of the first Green Revolution.

Stung by widespread criticism over its Green Revolution approach, AGRA representatives have begun participating in public consultations with NGOs and African farm leaders. While this dialogue is an important step, the farm leaders are unhappy about being consulted so late in the game. The UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food, Olivier De Schutter, recently convened a dialogue on AGRA. There, Simon Mwamba of the Eastern and Southern Africa Small-Scale Farmers' Forum expressed this frustration in no-nonsense terms: "You come. You buy the land. You make a plan. You build a house. Now you ask me, what color do I want to paint the kitchen? This is not participation!"

Nnimmo Bassey, director of Environmental Rights Action in Nigeria, suggests, "If the Gates and Rockefeller Foundations wish to extend the hand of fellowship to the African continent, they should move away from strategies that favor monoculture, lead to land grabs and tie local farmers to the shop doors of biotech seed monopolies." This is feedback that can't so easily be shot back to base through a cellphone.

The calls from African organizations to be able to set the agenda for their own agricultural development are heard only faintly in the United States. That's largely because when it comes to African hunger, prejudices about the incompetence of African farmers and the marvels of biotechnology do a lot of the thinking for us. But the Gates Foundation isn't a victim of poor reasoning. It actively promotes an agenda that supports some of the most powerful corporations on earth. Far more than the peer-reviewed IAASTD study, Gates's strategy reflects another report, funded by the foundation itself: "Renewing American Leadership in the Fight Against Global Hunger and Poverty" from the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Knocked out in a couple of months by a small team led by a Gates Foundation senior fellow and stacked with staff from institutions receiving substantial Gates money, the report, while rightly calling for renewed investment and education, again ignores the structural and political causes of Africa's hunger, ascribing it to a technical deficit. The report concludes that the United States needs to "reassert its leadership" in "spreading new technologies," because it will increase trade and "strengthen American institutions." Worse, the council's solutions--with classic Green Revolution hubris--ignore the successful endogenous solutions that have been spreading across the continent for three decades.

Rarely in the history of philanthropy has one foundation--or more correctly, one man--had this kind of power. When Obama made his remarks on the Green Revolution, one Seattle Times journalist suggested that "President Obama and other world leaders seem to be taking their cue from the Gates Foundation." It's not hard to see the paths through which the thinking in Seattle might have made it to Washington, DC. Many AGRA and Gates Foundation employees are former industry and government insiders. Rajiv Shah, a doctor with no previous agricultural experience who was headhunted by the Gates Foundation, is now at the Department of Agriculture, as under secretary for research, education and economics, and also chief scientist.
The foundation's reach extends far beyond Washington. With billions committed to agricultural development, the Gates Foundation has a financial heft equal to that of a government in the global North. In 2007 the United States contributed $60 million to the system of international public agricultural research centers. Gates has pumped $122 million into the system in the past eighteen months alone and given a total of $317 million to the World Bank.

Africa's Green Revolution has another similarity with the first Green Revolution: the technological preferences of the philanthropist shape the approaches on the ground. For the Rockefellers, that meant agricultural technology based on industrial chemistry and oil. For Gates, it's about proprietary intellectual property. Africa's Green Revolution is, in other words, just a new way of doing business as usual.

In its push for technological solutions, its distaste for redistributive social policy and disregard for extant alternatives--as well as in the circumstances that have made food an international security concern--this Green Revolution looks very similar to its predecessor. The biggest issue, however, isn't one of commission but of omission. Just as in India, where peasant demands for land reform in the 1960s that might have led to more sustainable and durable progress (as such reforms did in China, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea) were ignored, African farmers advocating their own solutions to the food crisis are being marginalized. In particular, the vocally articulated demands--for agroecological alternatives, state support for farmer-led research, for land reform, for women's rights in agriculture, and for sharing access to water--all fade into the background when Gates's answers are amplified.

It will take a suite of policies, addressing both the technical and sociopolitical reasons for hunger in Africa, to make lasting change. Technologies for development need to be accompanied by other, political reforms, including canceling debt, removing food and agriculture from the World Trade Organization, investing heavily in farmers' organizations and their proven sustainable agricultural technologies, and supporting the peer-reviewed approaches generated by the science of agroecology.

Models for this kind of change already exist. In Mali, peasant movements have successfully persuaded the government to adopt as a national priority the idea of "food sovereignty," a shorthand for the democratization of the food system. Similar efforts are happening at regional and local levels in other countries. But for those initiatives to register in the United States, the conventional wisdom regarding the Green Revolution needs to be replaced. The tragedy here is not that Africa hasn't had a Green Revolution but that the mistakes of the first may be repeated once more, and that one foundation has the power to make the rest of the world bend to its misguided agenda.


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Past Member (0)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 5:16 am
David, Thanks

On my page are the pictures that go with the message. The pictures set the tone and stage for what they message is meant to convey. These two shares commented were done early morn.

Thanks again all can come copy paste what they like then bombard google with that info going in all directions.

 

Pastor Tim Redfern (515)
Sunday September 6, 2009, 11:49 pm
Joe, "Al-Qaeda" is owned, operated,
founded and funded by the CIA. This
is fact.
Prove what you're saying about the
Taliban. Give us solid evidence, solid
proof, and Fox News Channel is NOT a source.
When have Afghanistan-trained "terrorists"
ever attacked anyone in the U.S.? It sure
wasn't on 9/11, that was done by the CIA, FBI,
and Israeli Mossad. Joe, you are so deep in the
Orwellian trap set by your corporate, capitalist
masters, you just can't see daylight! And if you
can't see daylight, you can't see the truth.
 

Joe Jones (2)
Monday September 7, 2009, 7:14 am
watch nat. geo. truth and conspiracy(it recently aired and will have many reruns, i d.v.r.ed it) it will answer all your questions with many sources)...it uses facts and science with many experiments on nanothermite, etc.. and gets into al-queda,taliban,afghanastan etc...you should watch it so you dont sound so ignorant(not knowing)
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (515)
Monday September 7, 2009, 11:02 pm
It was 9/11 research that originally
got me on the Internet in 2002. I have
over 2,000 pages of material which I printed
from numerous websites regarding 9/11 evidence
proving it was an inside job.
If you know about the thermite, be it nano or
not, then you must know that the towers were
brought down in a controlled demolition. Have
you seen the super-slo-mo films of the towers
collapsing? If you have, you've seen the explosive
charges detonating ahead of the collapse.
Joe, I'm not going to convince you & you're not going
to convince me. No one will ever make me believe that
9/11 was done by Osama bin Forgotten and his 19 Saudi
cavemen. The "official version" of 9/11 is so ridiculous,
it makes the Warren Commission look credible.
If you want to continue posting your "evidence" making
your opinion seem believable, I'm no one to stop you.
Go right ahead. If you can make other people believe
your side, more power to you. Speaking for myself,
I can't listen to someone who is so tightly wrapped
in the flag of the number one terrorist nation on earth
that all he can see is red, white & blue.
 

Joe Jones (2)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 6:01 pm
just watch the special...i have read about 9/11 from many sources too and seen many documentaries on the subject(with every credible one supporting my line of thought) but this recent one really puts it all together from many sources,scientists,testing etc in a very easy to understand way...if nat. geo,history channel, many internet sources all say the same thing about 9/11 and all the eye witnesses i dont understand how someone can still believe any of the many theories about 9/11? but we all have a right to our opinion whatever it may be...but think for just a minute if 9/11 was done by al-queda from bases in afghanastan etc.. then would you support our military action there? and would that change the way you see the U.S? no matter what,,, you have to believe 9/11 was an inside job ,,because your hatred and your way of thinking DEPENDS on that fact that it was an inside job...even though it wasnt...
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 7:28 pm
MY TAKE on this message. I get from 25 to 50 pleas a day to TELL OBAMA something. Then while at THE SITE DONATE.

HELLO---any others get that?

Obama has his speeches written far in Advance much like the way Dick Cheney run our country and the White house.

Confusion is their game.

Bottom line the only way any of us in the USA has a chance at getting our voices heard and our true votes counted is to take back our Country now.

HOW TO DO IT ----- google We the People Advocates and find out.

 

David Buchan (161)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 7:43 pm
Interesting site Dwight but why is it filed under (Spirituality & Religion)...

Is there anything wrong with (truth, here and now?)...Not tomorrow, not yesterday, but NOW...Exactly what does spirituality or religion have to do with our suposedly 'enlightened' world in 2009?
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (515)
Tuesday September 8, 2009, 11:51 pm
If I'm going to believe that Al-Qaeda
did 9/11, then I'll need to start believing
in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the
Tooth Fairy.
Even if I DID believe that Al-Qaeda did 9/11,
NO, I would not support military action anywhere,
anytime or for any reason! As Bill Clinton once
said in his youth, "I loathe the military"! The military
is nothing more than a group of highly trained & heavily
equipped murderers. When I hear body counts from Iran &/or
Afghanistan, I feel no sympathy whatsoever. I just quietly
say, "Why were they there? What business did they have being
there?"....rhetorical questions, yes, because NONE of them
have ANY business being there, and they deserve to die.
I am a man of peace, which also means, I take firm, strong
opposition to anyone or anything that disrupts or violates
the peace.....the military, especially the military of the
U.S., being number one on that list.
 

Donni M. (42)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 12:09 am
Tim, are you implying that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are NOT REAL????

 

Donni M. (42)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 12:23 am
PS Love our soldiers, glad we went into Afghanistan, wish we could kill all evil Taliban and Al-Qaeda, know we can't, maybe time to get out for the sake of our troops and any innocent Afghans caught in the crossfire.
 

Dar D. (283)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 12:45 am
Free Will gives each soul a choice to believe what the want..., when they want. In my case, I don't believe this was AN INSIDE JOB, and as I will not try to convince anyone else to what I believe, I will not be swayed to believe the Inside job theory, neither. A respectful agreement to disagree, in this case. There are many possibilities for many issues in this tragedy. No one I know was there..., and these flights DID exist. I believe the investors of these buildings, always had a recourse of action to protect their investments on these buildings. A possible inside connection to potential warnings, wouldn't surprise me, being a highly financial district. I feel many hands were in on this one..., but simply to cover-up many actions taken, to counter the attack, and protect investors pocketbooks. The government to me is guilty, but only for the poorly handled coverups of having to make the choice of shooting domestic planes down.., killing some to save others of a mass area and importance.

I thought I would chime in with my lil ole opinions...heehee

America needs to get out of all other nations, and stop its warring mentality. The Middle East has a ticking time-bomb, that the United States provoked into creation, with its own actions, and its marriage to Israel.

In my humble opinions..., there were many lies in the reports on the 9/11 attacks. Bin Laden worked for our intelligence, as with other extremists for many special/black ops. I feel that this nation KNEW of the possible attacks, before they happened, but they did nothing. Arrogant? thought it was a bluff? who knows... I believe one of our own missiles was shot into the pentagon (perhaps a missed attempt), in goal to destroy the flight heading towards it, and the other plane was destroyed by our own missiles to protect the White House. There are so many other ways to kill alot of people, in our nation, that would offer much more clout of secrecy, than planes plowing into the twin towers in New York. I don't think our government would choose the financial core to destroy and affect PROFITS, in such an extreme way. This nation could have pick from many of the other possibilities to create a push in the people to accept that a War was the only resolution to catch the "terrorists."

To me, this was very similar to the past attack on Pearl Harbor. It could have been prevented..., but similar reporting gave the world..., a whole different story for decades. It wasn't an inside job, BUT it was the United States that blew that one too. It is crazy. The United States has been involved in arms deals, for who knows how long. The thing is..., if you stop playing by their rules, then bad things start happening, and an ally becomes an enemy, in a blink of an eye.

And as sweet David would strongly disagree with me, I agree with Jung with his words..., the future human with be spiritual, or won't be at all....

It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with the ascension of humanity to a greater frequency of Life, which opposes any type of War and only support a foundation of Peace.

much love and peace to all...namaste
 

David Buchan (161)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 2:09 am
"America needs to get out of all other nations, and stop its warring mentality"....Thanks Dar, so simple, so true...Why is it not so?...You guys really need to re-gain contol of your government before you sink with the very ship you created...I don't know how to but hope you can think of a way before it's too late?...

I disagree with no one Dar...Everyone is entitled to their opinions/choices, whatever they may be...No man is an island XO
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 9, 2009, 4:52 am
A VERY GOOD PICTURE ON MY PAGE DICK CHENEY WHO IS THE NEW IMPROVED VERSION OF HIM NOW IN THE WHITE HOUSE

How many have forgot?
The pressure that was put on us by Dick Cheney
Every day was a tragedy on the horizon
Now do you know why? Look at the size of his notebook!
And the dumb glum look out of his eyes!
By Dwight Baker
Dbaker007@stx.rr.com
September 8, 2009

Cheney was handpicked to do his job on us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
I will spare you my words about his past you study to find out.

Just like “A connect the numbers and there is a picture puzzle”! You will see that OLE TRICKY DICKEY had that plan down to a science. Just look at the size of his notebook. Look at the dumb glum look out of his eyes---in that meeting he was just listening to every word out of moron twos mouth to make sure he had his speech down pat.

So go now and be a good student if you will download vital parts of WIKI then uses your yellow color marker to begin your personal numbering.

More to come later on Cheney and his new improved version in the White House now. Same big boss, David Rockefeller King of the New World Order.

WAKE UP FOLKS LIFE IS NOT A DRESS REHEARSAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Thomas Panto (387)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 2:52 pm
The ONLY enemies we have in this world are those that WE CREATED with our swords, our muskets and our lies.
 
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