Monday October 26, 2009, 7:34 pm
and i will not get the flu shot i am allergic to it

Monday October 26, 2009, 7:54 pm
grrr--I was about to post this, David.

No H1N1 vax for me either, Barbara--I've got brain damage so vaccinations don't really work for me--shoot, I can't tell you how many shots I've had, and I STILL get the darn disease[s].[except Polio LOL].

Namaste--and nice pic, cutie! xo

Monday October 26, 2009, 8:36 pm
this web site had an article about income gap. I can't find it at the moment but there is a lot of interesting info on there about the poor.

http://www.cbpp.org/



Barbara there is no way in hell I or my family will be getting H1N1 or seasonal flu vaccines either. It's right on the package inserts that there is up to 25 mcg of thiomersal mercury. The nasal spray does not have mercury or aluminum but does has MSG and live virus.

Monday October 26, 2009, 9:23 pm
Obviously people prefer to comment without visiting the site...Oh why do I bother posting these threads?...I care, and thought that you might be slightly interested?...If not, why did you visit this thread at all? :)

There is text and a video intervew with the author there but ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of H1N1 or anything remotely connected to it...

And soooooooo, why the comments re flue jabs here?

This is what it's all about:

Are You Ready for the Next Crisis?

By Paul Craig Roberts

October 26, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- Evidence that the US is a failed state is piling up faster than I can record it.

One conclusive hallmark of a failed state is that the crooks are inside the government, using government to protect and to advance their private interests.

Another conclusive hallmark is rising income inequality as the insiders manipulate economic policy for their enrichment at the expense of everyone else.

Income inequality in the US is now the most extreme of all countries. The 2008 OECD report, “Income Distribution and Poverty in OECD Countries,” concludes that the US is the country with the highest inequality and poverty rate across the OECD and that since 2000 nowhere has there been such a stark rise in income inequality as in the US...

The OECD finds that in the US the distribution of wealth is even more unequal than the distribution of income...

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Back on track, OK with you?

Monday October 26, 2009, 11:33 pm
A very interesting and true story David, one with many POTENTIAL answers, one of the biggest and most ignored problems that we have here in the U.S. is the fact that our elected officials have voted themselves raises year after year, there is not even ONE senator that makes less than a million a month! A MONTH!!! Now it is time to address congress on their salary's... good luck! The corruption and greed of our own leaders will be our own demise.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 1:55 am
After reading this article - I keep getting upset that I cannot organize anything concretely, like a REVOLUTION - I needed to have a look at the nature photography which I submitted, just to calm down....

It truly is the demise of the USA, and ALL other countries dependent upon it.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 2:20 am
Actuallyit is only USA government that is failing to find a balanced policy regarding the income distribution.This is very clear specially in the developing countries. The difference between peoples income proves that there is a huge salary/ income inequality.This inequality is behind not only the economic crises but also the political and social unrest.Some people are getting millions and other can hardly find their daily food.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 2:21 am
Correction : Actually it IS NOT ONLY USA GOVERNMENT

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 3:40 am
Thanks Abdessalam (and all)...No it's not only the US government...It is all governments...

Guess I'm getting on in years but can still remember when politicians came from all walks of life and a cross section of society was fairly? represented...

Today politics is a career path for the fortunate few who have the massive amount of funds necessary to enter politics...Generally people out of touch with the needs of the "common man"...

Unfortunately this scenario of the rich growing obscenely richer and the poor growing eternally poorer is no different from the conversion of St Petersburg into Stalingrad...

Is there anything that can stop the rot, other than a full blown revolution???...

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 6:10 am
Only the rich or well backed politicians have a chance to make it in an election. Your everyday citizen could never obtain the campaign monies or support needed to win an election. These people have no clue how the average person lives. How could they possibly represent us or understand our needs? Campaign reform might go a long way in getting better people elected.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 7:11 am
You must belong to an elite group to get elected. How W got elected...??? But, the divide between us all is widening. Soon the rich will only have access to the gas, health care and jobs. We will all be on the outside of the big cites, dreaming of a day when... things will get better?.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 9:29 am
Hi David. missed you.. have not seen some of your posts recently...... this seems sadly enough to be a growing trend.. am rather disappointed that the US seems to be going into this downward spiral... the people will have the pick themselves up out of the mire and become their own bosses..and use their creative initiative to climb into their own business.. nobody else will do this for you..

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 11:56 am
The best vaccine these days is SPIRITUAL TRUTH.
Do you KNOW who you really are?
Thx David

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 12:55 pm
The bottom line every country owes to their country to the poor especially,screw the outside world,e.g.Gordon Brown owes taxpayer's money in Britain to the Taxpayer's not to Africa to keep South Africa and Zimbabwean's politicians in BMW's and in eternal wealth, this is known as STEALING.
In the old dys Switzerland had the right approach,when asked for Beggar finance,the head we did not know the name even,usual retort,"IT IS NOT OUR MONEY IT BELONGS TO THE CANTONS""

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 1:03 pm
How dare do politicians have the right to give away money collected, to other countries,like it came from their pockets.IT is a BLOODY DISGRACE:How Dare they.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 1:36 pm
Well instead of fixing other Countries problems who BTW hate us we right here need the fixing!!

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 2:50 pm
Failed State...all the Criminals are inside the Government working against the people. Well Hello must be blind not to see that one. But they have the power, the money, and so screw everyone else. And unfortunately there are still a lot of blind people around.

Another conclusive hallmark is rising income inequality as the insiders manipulate economic policy for their enrichment at the expense of everyone else. Yup, when was the last time the common folk got a raise, had their salary keep up with the rising costs of everything. Can't work enough hours now to keep up. Those who have been pushed out of the system from job loss....may find ways to live like the primitives did....just drop out to never come back. It may even be happier there, who knows when you don't have to feed the Corporate Theives anymore. Want what you Need...Need what you Want.

Also is interesting on how he equates us with what goes on in 3rd world Countries. Wow, I've been saying this for years and everyone has said I was exaggerating. Well don't I feel vindicted, although sad it is true. I so didn't want to be right.

Well the good thing is perhaps everyone will start to enjoy each other company again and go back to neighbor helping neighbor. Might have to go back to the barter system if the dollar is worthless, the Theives have run the Country into the ground, and no one has a cent to go to a concert or a movie. Back to the local sort of things when someone had talent on a guitar, someone else could play the spoons, dust off the old game boards, deck of cards, and have fun like before all this got so out of hand.

Thanks David for posting and getting the thread on track. I read/watched the article and was wondering if I had missed something by reading the beginning comments.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 4:51 pm
The more I see the more I am convinced that the big banks, corporations, and wall street are all sitting around smoking cigars saying "well, we got away with it, how can we milk the american public for their last dime." These are not americans, these are not patriots. Yet, when we try to correct the inequality, they say we are redistributing the wealth. They count on the low self-esteem of the American people to buy that crap.

Now I see everything through the "corporate conspiracy" lense, it's quite an eye opener and explains alot.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 4:52 pm
As a conservative, I am a greedy bastard. My income is about $20,000 per annum.

The problem is, we need more greedy bastards, not less. In fact, we need EVERYONE greedy. I want everyone wealthy as possible. Teach Wall Street, banking and trade in elementary school.

Liberals, read the greedy bastard bible, "Atlas Shrugged". In the book, the steel tycoon that makes the most money in steel runs the safest refineries and pays the highest wages, even though it is the only non-union company!

Spread the wealth! Money to the masses!

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 4:59 pm
There will always be another CRISIS, it's planned that way by the elete.
Until you watch this slide presentation you won't know the truth.

David,or anyone else for that matter,
feel free to make this (what I'm about to share with you)
a main story if you like.

Jordan Maxwell -Basic Slide show Presentation (Hidden Symbols) from 1993
this says it all, it's from 16 years ago and still applies today.
not intended to offend anyone.
JM has spent 48 years trying to wake people up to it
The truth shall set you free

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5368249979680883398#

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 5:01 pm
The working class..ie most of us ..who don't own the world..have only ever progressed,when we have taken what is ours by right.I look at the recent economic crash and see that our response to this has been pathetic..we should have been much more militant in demanding that the system starts working for us..democratic accountability ,corporate governance ,improved welfare,jobs for all with decent wages,an end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan..an end to the machinations of an out of control capitalist class etc.
Sadly organised political movements were not strong enough to seize the agenda..and the bankers are again setting the agenda and accruing bonusus while we take the pain of the economic crash.Many workers have been laid off,taken pay cuts,seen our taxes go to waste in bail out fiasco's or suffered from cutbacks in state services..we did nothing to deserve this..and have had to pay for the mistakes of rampant capitalism...call me nieve or idealistic..but where is the justice in that.?
We either grab it or we lose it..but no one is going to just give us a slice of the pie.
Obama,Rudd,Brown they are just slightly more humanized versions of the neo-con bastards,who treat us like shit...History from the London Dock workers of the 19th century to the US Knights of Labour....or the Turin car workers..illustrates that if we don't fight,then we don't win.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 5:16 pm
So true, Panda, the more my eyes are opened, the more I see this goes way back. Even when watching the first hour of Ken Burns documentary on National Parks, you can see even back then how corporate interests tried to ruin everything. I guess I'm late to this battle, but we are a force to be reckoned with and as they say, when the public gets stupid, the wolves come in and take take take. It's our fault for being too trusting of our processes.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 6:55 pm
The divide between those with our money and those without our money is getting bigger...mostly because when those big corporations run low on capital due to stupidity the Government gives them OUR MONEY...so that they can pay themselves huge bonuses. Have we ever been stitched up or what?

Please notice that the erosion of our civil liberties came first to make it almost impossible to protest without risking arrest...then they came and stole our money to pay the rich. I am living life backwards with all the gains that I saw during my life being stripped away.

So we the voiceless continue to pay those who through clever tax evasion can get richer...nice world...wonder what ever happened to integrity, trust and honesty. As to compassion...forget that one as we have all been made into war criminals...as I say nice world we have.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 7:43 pm
David, I read the whole thing.
My Mom was a history teacher for 50 years combining substitute teaching to make it 50 and she told me what would happen and it has and is. Because NO ONE reads history and looks at what can be done to Not Repeat the same failures. She sited the French Revolution as one very convincing reason why we should never repeat the same mistakes of the past. First though we must stop putting the same type of people in a position to cause such calamities and really look at what we do to contribute to the whole mess and change that as well. Complacency on our part causes so much collateral damage.
Greed, the greatest mistake is what ruins nations.
I copied and pasted your posted and sent it on to others.

Thank you for your time and energy you put into your posts. I am grateful.

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 8:31 pm
Thank you Candace...Did your very wise mother also recommend that you watch the film "The End of St Petersburg"...?

It's a film (1927 but now digitally anhanced, and on DVD) It is essentially about a peasant who arrives in St Petersburg in 1914, looking for work, understands the workers problems and joins in the revolution...

It was produced as a pro-Stalin propoganda film but is as true of today's world as it was then... A rare insight from the eyes of "real" people as opposed to the way history is usually written...(We know all about the Kings and Queens but nothing about the people they 'used' to look after them?)...

This film should be compulsory viewing on prime-time TV...

1) As a reminder to those who would be "Kings" (Presidents,dictators etc.) to be very careful how they go about it...(Currently very much the "wrong way"?)

2) As a reminder to the "peasants" that they are NOT powerless (en-masse), in any given situation...

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 9:13 pm
You know, ever since Obama was elected President, all of a sudden, Professionals in domestic affairs started coming out of the wood-works.
Until we are not viewed as, "Statistics", Politics will remain the same. They say, the cure is in the number of voices that speak out! The President is not the only venue..America is distracted with global issues, while the Government, makes plans...You have to let some research take place in order to find a solution.Does the Government know who all has aids? No! Does the Government know the rate in which people are getting displaced? No! Call your State Representatives before you plan petitions like these and you will find that a lot of your problems are being delt with. When new laws are being changed it takes time to amend them. Stop whining so much and act like adults and show each other some respect. These comments are a lot like little baby wars......(yawn)..I'm bored with the knit pickin'. How are the kids in your neighborhoods? The Bible says the "poor we will have always"..and thats because everyone wants the top spot! serve me, honor me, worship me and blah, blah ,blah...Take a recess children. Where are your parents?

Tuesday October 27, 2009, 9:36 pm
David, Thomas Jefferson made a very famous speech which begins; In the course of human events when a government no longer serves the people...And that is not exactly how it went but the form is is there. People are complacent and began that after WWII. They struggled so hard and fought for themselves and others and wanted to be taken care of. My Mother and her parents taught me to be different. That aided me in raising 4 sons on my own. I appreciate all they did and all they gave up to give me the knowledge they had.
My first and most important idea for me is Do No Harm.

I believe I will look for the film and watch it. Thank you for the recommendation. I hope others will follow suit and watch it also. Many films have come out that have very important messages mingled with in the story line.

Wednesday October 28, 2009, 12:21 pm
Shame on our government, I wonder how is that all the income inequality is right in front of our noses and just now we are talking about it, I mean, this is no surprise at all.

currency trading news!

Craig

Wednesday October 28, 2009, 3:58 pm
We "ordinary people" can blame any governments about "his" corruption, and it always sounds great. The problem is, that when even most "ordinary" people make it into the government they become corrupted quite quickly.

And the society cannot live without government...

Thursday October 29, 2009, 7:41 am
I've advocating against poverty for 5 decades and in MANY ways. Each of us CAN do something!! Even if it seems small, it will help - at least 1 person & is therefore extremely worth it!!!

Thursday October 29, 2009, 5:33 pm
Thanks for the suggestion of DVD...David...I'll also look up The End of St. Petersburg.

Thursday October 29, 2009, 5:46 pm
I was looking for this video link when I made my last comment but couldn't find it then. Got it now. May I suggest everyone view this video. Really does go along with this thread.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23810.htm

Thursday October 29, 2009, 5:49 pm
Well David I added this on the wrong thread...gezzz. My computer froze on the other thread and thought this was it.
As Greta use to say on Saturday Night Live.......Never mind. lol