Friday October 30, 2009, 1:31 am
What/who changed my life and why :'A long gone uncle who MADE me think before I spoke. '

I don't get it

Friday October 30, 2009, 1:50 am
BRB

Friday October 30, 2009, 1:54 am
Cursed is the man who take a life for payment.. biblical... indirectly they will be held accountable in the great and coming day of the Lord... this deal should be cancelled - we have enough weapons in the wrong hands...

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:06 am
Chaz, maybe you can help me. When I click on the link to the story, it takes me to my message page on Change.org and says, 'you do not have permission to view this message'. I take it that the story is on Change.org?

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:50 am
MJ yes it does! and am not going to sign in a new site again, and have new messages in my in box, that is why i wrote BRB, cause i have much in to look in!

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:57 am
Don't think David playing tricks, it can happen that the browser carried the old link he had before, it happen to me all the time with fire fox, have to double check what it copy!

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:03 pm
Take advanced killing technology,add in a system where the bottom line is God..this is the carrot for the weak and easily seduced darkside of humanity.
While the worlds biggest purchaser's of arm's,namely the neo-cons built up the debts of America,they preached Christianity...yet plough shares into swords will not go.

Friday October 30, 2009, 3:11 pm
It's been said that when fascism reaches America,
it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
Fascism IS in America, and that description is not far
from the truth. People have been killing people in God's name
for thousands of years, while Jesus the Christ has commanded
us to love others in God's name. Perhaps one day this simple truth
will sink into people's heads, and news stories like this will become a
part of the dear departed past.
Thanks, David.
noted.

Friday October 30, 2009, 3:50 pm
'You do not have permission to view this message.'

Does anyone else get that message on their change.org message page when they clink on the link to this story that David provided?

Are you folks commenting on the 'story', or Davids' 'headline? There is no story.

Friday October 30, 2009, 3:55 pm
Im getting crap too....

Big gorilly hugs

Friday October 30, 2009, 3:58 pm


change.org is doing upgrades right now so the site is down.

Friday October 30, 2009, 4:04 pm
Let's see....x-ray of someone holding a gun to someone's head....click on link to story, takes me to my Change.org personal message page, where it says 'You do not have permission to view this message'....
This happens right after calling David out on another of his stories for degrading President Obama....

Dave old boy....is this some sort of feeble attempt at a death threat? Please explain.

Friday October 30, 2009, 6:06 pm
MJ M. "old boy", YOU have a major problem :-)...

I apologise to all who could not access the link...Don't know why, so here is the story...


from Control Arms 10/29/09 @ 07:30AM

World biggest arms exporters set to agree the launch of Arms Trade Treaty negotiations tomorrow...

Tomorrow the world's governments will take a potentially historic vote at the UN. They are set to decide to launch formal negotiations on an international Arms Trade Treaty to regulate the international trade in conventional arms.

Earlier this month Hillary Clinton announced that the US will support a "strong and robust" Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) with the "highest possible, legally binding standards".

Hundreds of thousands of people die every year as a result of armed violence and consequences of irresponsible arms transfers. The diplomats meeting at the UN tomorrow owe it to them, their families and communities, to take the next big step towards a treaty.

Tomorrow they have the choice to press the green button to start negotiations. They must not fail.

For up-to-date news from campaigners and diplomats at the UN and around the world please visit www.conflictvoice.org or follow @conflictvoice on Twitter.

OK with you MJ M.?

Friday October 30, 2009, 6:28 pm
Did I neglect to add 'LOL' to my last comment? Damn. Humor is so hard to convey on this internet. That, and you Aussie's have such a strange sense of such. My most profound apologies.

Friday October 30, 2009, 6:29 pm
Incidentally should you "visit site" and find it interesting (you may be asked to sign in to see it, but please don't hesitate, you are not obliged to receive emails if you so nominate)...

I have a drip feed of ticker tape from Reuters et al here and only post threads that I feel should be public knowledge (but generally are not)...Most of the rational ones end up on change.org, so why not consider subscribing?...Sure beats the daily ration of Faux Gnus!...?

And NO, I have no vested interest in change.org...

Friday October 30, 2009, 6:45 pm
David, where's the story on change.org? They tell me that there has been no problem with the site being down. I've searched everywhere. Wouldn't it be in the 'War and Peace' categoy?

This isn't change.org

Friday October 30, 2009, 7:16 pm
How likely is it that arms dealers are going to agree to limited their sales and enter into a voluntary agreements or treaties?

I only pose the question as a matter of intellectual curiosity. I thought it was hard wired into the American Psyche that to be allowed to bear arms was their God given right...even part of their constitution.

Before Hilary pushes any of those green buttons she needs to see what her husband has been up to as he emailed me last night.

Personally I would love to see an embargo on the production of arms...especially landmines, cluster bombs and dense inert metal bombs...before we even dare to mention nuclear stuff...then I suppose we need to tackle all the fake AK 47s that are flooding the markets at present...they work after a fashion but can still be lethal even it only to those that fire them.

Friday October 30, 2009, 8:46 pm
Wow David! 814 stories submitted. You must have a heck of a lot of experience posting news stories. But you say you '.. apologise to all who could not access the link...Don't know why.'

Neither does change.org. A search on change.org for 'Control Arms 10/29/09 @ 07:30AM ' comes up with nothing.
Where's the link to the 'change.org story that you couldn't get right in the begining?

Friday October 30, 2009, 9:30 pm
Try again MJ M. (My ex friend)...Why not take the story I posted above as verbatim (it is) or do you just enjoy being a pain?...

Friday October 30, 2009, 9:43 pm
This story thread is basic, but did anyone take the time to visit the site, www. conflictvoice.org?...

Posted: 2:45 PM Comments:

World's Biggest Arms Traders Promise Global Arms Treaty
Today at the United Nations after years of discussions and debates, the vast majority of governments – 153 in total - agreed a timetable to establish a “strong and robust” Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) with the “highest common standards” to control international transfers of conventional arms. There is currently no global Treaty on the conventional arms trade.

Try it MJ M....You might like to break out of hounding me and you might even enjoy the story?

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:01 pm
Oh, I've read that story, on conflictvoice. I just want an explanation why you would send us to change.org., when there is no story., knowing it would take members to their personal messages page. Someone with your knowledge surely knows these things. Superimpose the x-ray photo you chose to grace the story. 2 + 2 = ?

It's a simple enough question...where's the original link? You wouldn't be hiding something, would you?

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:19 pm
"Oh, I've read that story, on conflictvoice. I just want an explanation why you would send us to change.org., when there is no story"...

What planet are you living on MJ M.?...The story is on change.org for all to see, It is also posted above (Friday October 30, 2009, 6:06 pm)
...Inter-galactical internet problem?...

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:25 pm
How about you give me a link. Doesn't even have to be a hot link. I'll copy and paste. Just give me the LINK.

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:29 pm
(Friday October 30, 2009, 6:06 pm)??

It's posted above as ' Control Arms 10/29/09 @ 07:30AM

Neither of them is a LINK.

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:31 pm
http://www.change.org/messages/private?message_id=1450202

Saturday October 31, 2009, 1:08 pm
That's in the USA were the most part of the weapons are made. The USA has the greatest army of the World and makes wars everywhere. The problem must bee solved in your own country. Stop to produces more guns and send your army back home!

Sunday November 1, 2009, 7:11 am
well now we know why this was attached to the hate crimes bill:

October 30, 2009
WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama Wednesday signed the fiscal 2010 National Defence Authorization Act during a ceremony at the White House.

Obama hailed the act, which contains $680.2 billion in military budget authority, as transformational legislation that targets wasteful defence spending.

The authorization act contains $130 billion to fund overseas contingency operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and it also provides $6.7 billion for thousands of all-terrain, mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles now arriving in Afghanistan.

The president was accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden, congressional leaders and other senior officials, including Defence Secretary Robert M. Gates and Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“There’s still more waste we need to cut; there’s still more fights that we need to win,” Obama said, noting he and Gates will continue to seek out unnecessary defence spending.

Obama said he has ended unnecessary no-bid defence contracts and signed bipartisan legislation to reform defence procurement practices so weapons systems’ costs do not spin out of control. “Even as we have made critical investments in equipment and weapons our troops do need, we’re eliminating tens of billions of dollars in waste we don’t need,” Obama said.
....
“As commander in chief, I will always do whatever it takes to keep the American people safe to defend this nation,” Obama said. “That’s why this bill provides for the best military in the history of the world.”
....
Money also is budgeted to fund programs that address “real and growing threats,” Obama said. Such systems, he said, include the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter, the littoral combat ship, and more helicopters and reconnaissance support for deployed U.S. forces.

Obama praised Gates and Mullen for their hard work in developing the 2010 defence budget. “I want to thank, publicly, Bob Gates for his service to our nation,” he said, and he added that Mullen has “provided wise counsel and stood with us in our efforts to initiate reform.”

Yes this was the $680 BILLION dollar "Defense package" that was attached to the "Hate crimes bill"
Looks like Obama didn't want to deal with the U.N. on this one, well at least he is an equal opportunity LIAR!

Monday November 2, 2009, 3:09 am
Guns, guns, guns.... I don't get it. Arms treaty... sounds like more profits for those who like to exploit others...

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:12 am
Guns guns guns, ....I still don't get it. The link to the story is a dead end. What gives, David?

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:49 am
I repeat: that's in the USA were the most part of the guns of the World are made. World biggest guns exporters live in the USA. The USA has the greatest army of the World and makes wars everywhere, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so on. This problem must be solved in the USA.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 3:15 am
GUNS????!!! WAKE UP!!!!
The WORLDS biggest arms exporters DON'T BOTHER WITH GUNS!!!!!

Money also is budgeted to fund programs that address “real and growing threats,” Obama said. Such systems, he said, include the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter, the littoral combat ship, and more helicopters and reconnaissance support for deployed U.S. forces.

The WORLDS biggest arms exporters deal with weapons of war!!!!! Such as the one's listed in the above paragraph!
THAT is WHY this defense package was attached to the "Hate crimes bill" So that Obama could SLEEZE it by the U.N.!!!

Thursday November 5, 2009, 3:19 am
And here is a link to the story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-leopold/un-starts-worlds-first-ev_b_340847.html

And if you do not like that news source, simply copy and paste this into ANY search engine and take your pic of 6000 pages!!!:

World Biggest Arms Exporters Set to Agree the Launch of Arms Trade Treaty Negotiations Tomorrow

Thursday November 5, 2009, 3:42 am
Thanks Ray, for the link. David has been saying that the story is on change.org, but curiously, he won't supply the link.
The link above the picture is wrong. And as you point out, correctly I might add, this isn't about GUNS. So, it appears that not only is the link confusing, so is the picture. That sure looks like a GUN to me, shoved in the guys mouth. David's been going for the shock value with his choice of pictures on other articles he aslo posts, no matter how unrelated to the story.

David, I'm still waiting for the link to your original story on change.org. You insist it's there, why won't you supply it?