Wednesday November 4, 2009, 12:00 am
The answer is in the following...

According to history as written by the winner, Zionism, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is propaganda nonsense.

In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own...

Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a rigged vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council...

The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the U.S. knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force given the extent of Arab and other Muslim opposition to it; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine...

So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid) and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine – after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away, effectively surrendering to Zionist terrorism – was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the U.S. was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration...

The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist UNLESS … Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state...

In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

And that legitimacy was the only thing the Zionists could not and cannot take from the Palestinians by force.

No wonder Prime Minister Netanyahu is more than a little concerned on this account.

Israel’s leaders have always known the truth summarised above. It’s time for the rest of the world to know it!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 1:43 am
Thanks David!

Also from IC: Return to the Middle Ages

By Bouthaina Shaaban
History will condemn those who remain silent towards these crimes and will remember and thank only those who defend Palestinian children and the right of the Palestinian people to live in dignity, freedom, security and safety on their national soil.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23891.htm

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 1:47 am
Israel is the only artificial territory in the planet which was created not existed, and its the only place on earth where it was created for a religious group! before the WWII the land of Palestine has existed with the 3 religions on it, as every where else! that was in Egypt, Yemen, Morocco, Syria, and Lebanon, they all co-existed with each other!
Britain, being the owner of the land , due to colonising sold the land to the Zionists! so what is legal about that! a thief, selling it to another? why the droves of emigrants to a land, , they existed in Russia , in England, and all over the world so what is so special that Jew need their own state? I wonder!!
Namaste

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 2:02 am
From : President Nasser
To: President J.F. Kennedy
The Palastinian land was given from who doesn't own ( Britain) to who doesn't deserve ( Zionists).

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 10:09 am
Picture speaks loud and clear. Go to Locan's news and look at the map on the top of the page.

Israel endorses Iran nuclear plan

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 3:29 pm
No, of course Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Only PEOPLE have a right to exist.

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 3:30 pm
Hmmm... sorry, that might be misconstrued. I mean that the pople who live in Israel have a right to exist, and have all other human rights. However, the STATE of Israel has no right to exist. States don't have rights.

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 11:06 pm
I was not aware of certain facts presented in the
ICH article. However, even before having read the
piece, it's been my opinion that Israel has NO right
to exist. The Zionist state was created from stolen land,
to which the "Israelis" have no right or claim. They have
existed for 62 years on America's money, to which they also
have neither right nor claim.
The Israeli people claim to be Jews, descendant from the
Old Testament peoples, which they absolutely are not! The
only people presently in the Middle East who have a provable
DNA linkage to Old Testament peoples are the Palestinians...
imagine that. Look to the Books of Kings, and you'll find they
were then known as the Philistines. The land presently called
"Israel" belongs rightfully to the Palestinians.
The people of the present day who call themselves "Jews"
are descended from a race known as the Khazars, who converted
as a race to Judaism roughly 1,200 years ago. The present day
"Jews" are no more Jewish than the Japanese....not by blood,
anyway.
Israel has no right to exist.

Thanks, David.
noted.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:36 am
Dear David I love what you are doing, trying to bring out the truth in all world cases. I just wonder is it to late? The truth we have been telling all these years and no one seems to hear.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:51 am
''As expected, the U.S. Congress followed the dictates of AIPAC and passed a resolution designed to block the Goldstone Report from reaching the U.N. Security Council and the International Criminal Court.

However, the Goldstone Report has been submitted directly to the ICC by NAMAW (National Association of Muslim American Women) with an appeal to the court to investigate the allegations made by Justice Richard Goldstone.
Please support them in this initiative by contacting the Prosecutor’s Office of the ICC to let it be known that you want action taken too.

Kiwi Girl is about to “walk the walk” when she makes a compassionate and courageous journey to Gaza in December as part of a Code Pink attempt to end the siege there. The least the rest of us can do is to write (respectively please) to:


The Hon. Luis Moreno-Ocampo
International Criminal Court
Office of the Prosecutor
Communications
P.O. Box 19519
2500 CM The Hague
The Netherlands

or email to otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int ,
or FAX to +31 70 515 8555.

To read NAMAW’s letter to the ICC go to:
http://namaw.org/NAMAW_News.html ''

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23891.htm

Please write to ICC and forward widely.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 1:53 am
Related-
Eggs Fail To Recognize Omelette's Right To Exist
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2007/03/eggs_fail_to_re.html

Thursday November 5, 2009, 6:45 am
The comments on this board have been diverted i the end to cover a different situation. We sharted with a disucssion of Israel's right to exist. Which it clearly does not have a right to. As stated by some of the original commenters to whom I gave green stars, Israel is a created state. It has been kept in power by the US giverbnebt, Three millions Palestinaians were displaced from their homes to created the space it now occupies. Then in so called 1967 war, it occurpied the /west Bank and Gaaza where it has established a virtual reign of terror of the oeioke ut has subjugated. This illegeal occuptions by this illegal "country" is now over four decades long. I don't know why the world seems content to allow this horrible farce to cotinue.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 10:28 am
So under this logic, Jordan has no "right" to exist either?

Thursday November 5, 2009, 11:26 am
Thanks David. My thoughts, the right should never of exceeded the approved 67 boundaries. I think also that the UN has the right, not to recognise Israel, as Israel has never acknowledged the UNs position.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 2:48 pm
PLEASE READ THIS.How come Israel can imagine that she can get an approval from the Palestinians who suffered alot because of Zionism ?


UNITED NATIONS
A
General Assembly
Distr.
GENERAL
A/HRC/12/NGO/10
4 September 2009
ENGLISH ONLY
HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL Twelfth session
Agenda item 7
HUMAN RIGHTS SITUATION IN PALESTINE AND OTHER OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES
Joint written statement* submitted by Adalah – The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, the Badil Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights, the Habitat International Coalition (HIC), non-governmental organizations in special consultative status
The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31.
[27 August 2009]
* This written statement is issued, unedited, in the language(s) received from the submitting non-governmental organization(s).
GE.09-15619
A/HRC/12/NGO/10
page 2
Recurring Dispossession and Displacement of 1948 Palestinian Refugees in the Occupied Palestinian Territory1
1. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Palestinians fled or were expelled from parts of Mandate Palestine, many finding refuge in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), including East Jerusalem (“Palestinian Refugees”). At the beginning of 2009, there were over 1,813,000 Palestinian refugees in the OPT representing 45% of its population of approximately 4 million Palestinians. More than 754,000 reside in the occupied West Bank, and over 1,059,000 in the occupied Gaza Strip.2
2. Israel not only disrespects the right of these refugees to return to their homes of origin, but continues to dispossess and displace them within their place of refuge, namely the OPT over which Israel exercises effective control as an occupying power.
3. While aiming at illegally asserting control over the maximum amount of land with a minimum number of Palestinians and implanting Jewish-only settlements, Israel is forcibly displacing the Palestinian civilian population, refugees and non-refugees, in the OPT including East Jerusalem. Different measures have been adopted by Israel to achieve its goal, such as land confiscation, home demolition, eviction and the construction of the Wall. These practices run counter to international human rights and humanitarian law.
4. Dispossession and displacement of Palestinians, including refugees, in occupied East Jerusalem, illegally annexed by Israel, has noticeably increased. These policies and practices aim at asserting pressure on this community to leave the city.3 Of particular concern are Palestinian neighborhoods that face ongoing mass eviction and home demolition including those in Sheikh Jarrah, Silwan, Beit Hanina and Al-Turi.4
5. In some cases, Israel expropriates Palestinian-owned property through a complex system of legal, administrative and institutional mechanisms, subsequently leasing or transferring these properties to Jewish settlers. In other cases, settlers make use of Israeli courts to lay claim to property inhabited by Palestinians, claiming ownership by Jewish individuals or associations prior to 1948. The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled in favor of such claims while failing to recognize the rights of Palestinian refugees to reclaim lost land and property.
6. For example, some Palestinian refugees who moved to Sheikh Jarrah in 1956 following an agreement between UNRWA and the Government of Jordan were evicted from their homes by Israeli authorities on 2 August 2009, following a court ruling.5 As a result, 53 Palestinian refugees, including 20 children, have once again been displaced. With no alternative residence,
1 Arab Association for Human Rights (HRA), Association for the Defense of the Rights of the Internally Displaced Persons in Israel (ADRID), Al-Maqdese for Society Development, Civic Coalition for Defending Palestinian Rights in Jerusalem (CCDPRJ), Comitato Internazionale per lo Sviluppo dei Popoli (CISP), Israeli Committee against House Demolitions (ICAHD), Palestinian Grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign and Zochrot Association, Center on Housing Rights and Evictions (COHRE), the Housing and Land Rights Network, also share the views expressed in this statement.
2 Badil, Survey of Palestinian Refugees and Internally Displaced Persons 2008 (forthcoming).
3 OCHA, Special Focus: The Planning Crisis in East Jerusalem: Understanding the Phenomenon of
“illegal” Construction, April 2009.
4 Ibid.
5 Civil Court case 4744/02, TPS 12705.
A/HRC/12/NGO/10
page 3
the families are forced to camp out on the street in front of their homes. Their appeal to overturn the eviction was rejected on 9 August 2009. Their properties were handed over to a settler organization that intends to build a new settlement in the area, while placing 300 refugees living in the area at imminent risk of forced eviction dispossession and displacement.6
7. Settlers have also laid claim to several other plots in Sheik Jarrah, including 33 buildings that are home to almost 175 people, most of whom are refugees. Although the case is still pending in the Israeli courts, a group of settlers, accompanied by Israeli police entered the area on 26 July 2009 and occupied one of the buildings.7
8. While the Israeli executive branch plans what it calls the “Judaization” of East Jerusalem, and the judiciary fails to respect and protect the rights of Palestinian refugees and their property, it is the legislative branch that plays an active role in preventing refugees from reclaiming lost land and property. On 3 August 2009, one day after the eviction of tens of Palestinian refugees in Sheikh Jarrah, the Knesset adopted a new land reform law – Israel Land Administration (ILA) Law - that legalizes the privatization of land originally owned by Palestinians, including refugees who currently reside in the OPT. This law retroactively legitimizes the ILA’s sale of absentee property, which includes refugee property. Thus, for instance, 96 such tenders were issued in 2007, while 106 tenders were published in 2008.8 The new law has repercussions on the right of Palestinian refugees to restitution and violates their property rights, in contravention of international humanitarian and human rights law.9
9. The new law allows the transfer of land from state and the Jewish National Fund “ownership” into private Jewish-ownership in occupied East Jerusalem, illegally annexed by Israel. The privatization process will encompass the settlements and areas planned for development (settlement construction) in occupied East Jerusalem. In essence, Israel will generate huge profits from the privatization of land in the OPT, despite its legal obligations as an occupying power under international humanitarian and human rights law to respect the right to private property and refrain from permanent confiscation of such property.
6 OCHA, Fact Sheet: Sheikh Jarrah, August 2009.
7 OCHA, Fact Sheet, Op. cite.
8 Adalah to Attorney General and Custodian of Absentee Property: Israel’s Sale of
Palestinian Refugee Property Violated Israeli and International Law, Press Release, 22
June 2009).
9 The 1907 Hague Regulations stipulates the need of combatants to respect the right to private property and explicitly prohibits permanent confiscation of private property following the termination of warfare. The U.S. Military Tribunal at Nuremberg was the first to address the confiscation of property following the end of fighting in the Second World War. In U.S. v. Alfred Krupp et al., the tribunal ruled that such confiscation of property and its subsequent acquisition by the Krupp firm constituted a violation of Article 46 of the 1907 Hague Regulation. U.S. v. Alfred Krupp et al. cited in How Does Law Protect in War? Cases, document and teaching materials on contemporary practice in international humanitarian law, 2nd ed., Vol.2 (ICRC, 2006), p.1030, and Adalah’s letter addressed to the Attorney General on Tenders for selling absentees’ property administered by Amidar, 19 May 2009.
A/HRC/12/NGO/10
page 4
RECOMMENDATIONS
We therefore urge the Human Rights Council to call on Israel to:
(1) Immediately halt dispossession and displacement of Palestinians, including refugees, in the OPT by putting an end to forced eviction and home demolition;
(2) Facilitate the return of the displaced to their homes as a result of forced eviction and house demolition; ensure the implementation of the UN Principles on Housing and Property Restitution for Refugees and Displaced Persons (“Pinheiro Principles”); and seek a durable solution to the refugee plight, namely repatriation;
(3) Protect the rights of Palestinians to land and property and ensure respect for international human rights and humanitarian law;
(4) Annul the new Israel Land Administration Law, end the transfer of ownership rights over Palestinian refugee property, and promote the right of Palestinian refugees to property restitution.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 2:52 pm
Mark G
Jordan was considered a state named "East Jordan Emirate" after the first world war.

Thursday November 5, 2009, 6:41 pm
All Arab countries got created after the first world war, so let's give them back to Turks too.

Friday November 6, 2009, 10:04 am
I think that Australia has no right to exist as they stole the land and committed genocide to get the land. I think that England has no right to exist as those damn Saxons stole the land as well. Other than the French Revolution that may be the last war the French actually won. Russians also should think about moving as there way too many groups to name here that they stole the land from. All white Americans need to get there passports ready and get there bags packed. Present day Egyptians are not descendants of the ancients and are a combination of Arabians and Africans so they should pack as well. The Philistines stole the land from the "real" Jews so they should get ready to go also. The Zulus stole much of there land from local tribes. What should happen to the Bedouin? They are nomads so any found loitering around cities need to be placed on there camels and hit the road. What can we do in China? I know we can do DNA tests and place everyone back into their proper dynasty and throw those damn Mongolians out. Let's get all those damn Turks out of Germany as they are not really Aryan. I'll se you all in the various airports as we all seem to be headed somewhere else.

Friday November 6, 2009, 2:37 pm

...

Israel does not have the right to stop others from existing.


Goldstone and Gaza

By Jimmy Carter

Knowing of the ability of Israeli forces, often using U.S. weapons, to strike targets with pinpoint accuracy, it was difficult to understand or explain the destruction of hospitals, schools, prisons, United Nations facilities, small factories and repair shops, agricultural processing plants and almost 40,000 homes.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23911.htm

Friday November 6, 2009, 4:12 pm
Reaffirming the Right of Israel to Exist in the Face of Hamas Attacks in Gaza
The only thing Hamas likes better than dead Israelis is dead Palestinians
By Mortimer Zuckerman
Posted January 15, 2009
What the world cannot remember the Israelis cannot forget. The Israelis know the Jewish nation has been one defeat away from extinction for 70 years. They know that every partition plan in the region, from the dawn of Zionism to the present day, has failed because of the Arab failure to accept the State of Israel. They know that the Palestinian leadership is virtually hopeless, wherein the people who are moderate are not effective and the people who are effective are not moderate.
Today the impossible Yasser Arafat has been replaced by the impotent Mahmoud Abbas. It was Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, who presided over the division of the Palestinians into Fatah and Hamas. Hamas doesn't want peace, and Fatah can't deliver it. Fatah is so weak that it cannot enforce the rule of law against terrorism or make compromises for fear of the radical Islamists. Indeed, without the support of the Israeli Defense Forces, even now it is under threat of being displaced by Hamas. Mahmoud Al-Zahar, a major Hamas leader, underlined Fatah's weakness when he said, "Fatah can't stop us from seizing control of those [West Bank] territories. It is only a matter of time."

Israel is so small it has no margin for error. A Hamas takeover of the West Bank would put Ben-Gurion Airport and major cities like Tel Aviv in the firing line, which would render Israel virtually uninhabitable. This is not guesswork. When Israel left the West Bank, it became a base for suicide bombers, ultimately forcing the Israelis to go back at great cost. They've since built a security fence, but a fence will not protect people from rockets. The rockets and mortars launched against Israel from Gaza have gained greater lethality, accuracy, and range, going from 20 kilometers before the truce to 40 after. And without the current operation, it is estimated that within two to three months new rockets supplied to Hamas by Iran and assembled in Gaza would have been able to hit Tel Aviv. One of them just reached the outskirts.
Acceptable response. Over 20 percent of the Israelis were vulnerable even before Tel Aviv came within range. No government could ignore these threats to its people. Yet Israel's belated response has been challenged as "disproportionate". This is ridiculous. In the first place, it was Hamas's intention that at least thousands of Israelis would die from its 7,000 rockets. Would it fit the doctrine of proportionality if Israel were to respond with 7,000 missiles against Gaza civilians? Or must it wait until the number of dead is piled high enough to justify a "proportioned" response. And what of the emotional trauma inflicted on the living? Men, women, and children have 15 seconds to reach a bunker, which they must do several times a day. They must live with the constant fear of death and maiming.
Would America sit back if, over three years, 7,000 rockets and missiles were launched at our citizens from Mexico or Canada? We would attack these missile sites and wipe them out. End of story. The "disproportionate" criticism is a cop-out. Hamas sought this battle. It was Hamas that broke the six-month truce organized by Egypt. Both Fatah and Egypt urged its continuance; the current violence would have been avoided, as Abbas stated, had Hamas not fired its missiles.

Tony Blair, now the special envoy of the Mideast quartet, concedes he understands the consequences now more than when he was prime minister of Britain: "I would hesitate to cede the West Bank to the Palestinians after the nightmare Israel has faced since the Gaza withdrawal." He recognizes that Hamas has sabotaged years of negotiation. "Land for peace," he warns, "is in itself not sufficient. Not less important is the character of the Palestinian state."

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya has made it clear what kind of state his Palestine would be. Hamas seeks nothing less than an Islamic state as its covenant describes: "To raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." To that end, Hamas has turned Gaza into a home for every brand of radical Islamist engaged in a holy war that sanctifies bloodshed, glorifies murder, and educates children to die as shahids —martyrs. There was to be no Israel alongside a Palestinian state. Over and over again Haniya has said that Hamas will never recognize Israel nor honor any of the existing agreements with the infidels. Its founder, Abdul Aziz Rantizi, is explicit: "We will not leave one Jew in Palestine."

Friday November 6, 2009, 4:26 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20bernstein.html?_r=2#

October 20, 2009
Op-Ed Contributor
Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast
By ROBERT L. BERNSTEIN

AS the founder of Human Rights Watch, its active chairman for 20 years and now founding chairman emeritus, I must do something that I never anticipated: I must publicly join the group’s critics. Human Rights Watch had as its original mission to pry open closed societies, advocate basic freedoms and support dissenters. But recently it has been issuing reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict that are helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state.

At Human Rights Watch, we always recognized that open, democratic societies have faults and commit abuses. But we saw that they have the ability to correct them — through vigorous public debate, an adversarial press and many other mechanisms that encourage reform.

That is why we sought to draw a sharp line between the democratic and nondemocratic worlds, in an effort to create clarity in human rights. We wanted to prevent the Soviet Union and its followers from playing a moral equivalence game with the West and to encourage liberalization by drawing attention to dissidents like Andrei Sakharov, Natan Sharansky and those in the Soviet gulag — and the millions in China’s laogai, or labor camps.

When I stepped aside in 1998, Human Rights Watch was active in 70 countries, most of them closed societies. Now the organization, with increasing frequency, casts aside its important distinction between open and closed societies.

Nowhere is this more evident than in its work in the Middle East. The region is populated by authoritarian regimes with appalling human rights records. Yet in recent years Human Rights Watch has written far more condemnations of Israel for violations of international law than of any other country in the region.

Israel, with a population of 7.4 million, is home to at least 80 human rights organizations, a vibrant free press, a democratically elected government, a judiciary that frequently rules against the government, a politically active academia, multiple political parties and, judging by the amount of news coverage, probably more journalists per capita than any other country in the world — many of whom are there expressly to cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Meanwhile, the Arab and Iranian regimes rule over some 350 million people, and most remain brutal, closed and autocratic, permitting little or no internal dissent. The plight of their citizens who would most benefit from the kind of attention a large and well-financed international human rights organization can provide is being ignored as Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division prepares report after report on Israel.

Human Rights Watch has lost critical perspective on a conflict in which Israel has been repeatedly attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah, organizations that go after Israeli citizens and use their own people as human shields. These groups are supported by the government of Iran, which has openly declared its intention not just to destroy Israel but to murder Jews everywhere. This incitement to genocide is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

Leaders of Human Rights Watch know that Hamas and Hezbollah chose to wage war from densely populated areas, deliberately transforming neighborhoods into battlefields. They know that more and better arms are flowing into both Gaza and Lebanon and are poised to strike again. And they know that this militancy continues to deprive Palestinians of any chance for the peaceful and productive life they deserve. Yet Israel, the repeated victim of aggression, faces the brunt of Human Rights Watch’s criticism.

The organization is expressly concerned mainly with how wars are fought, not with motivations. To be sure, even victims of aggression are bound by the laws of war and must do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties. Nevertheless, there is a difference between wrongs committed in self-defense and those perpetrated intentionally.

But how does Human Rights Watch know that these laws have been violated? In Gaza and elsewhere where there is no access to the battlefield or to the military and political leaders who make strategic decisions, it is extremely difficult to make definitive judgments about war crimes. Reporting often relies on witnesses whose stories cannot be verified and who may testify for political advantage or because they fear retaliation from their own rulers. Significantly, Col. Richard Kemp, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan and an expert on warfare, has said that the Israel Defense Forces in Gaza “did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”

Only by returning to its founding mission and the spirit of humility that animated it can Human Rights Watch resurrect itself as a moral force in the Middle East and throughout the world. If it fails to do that, its credibility will be seriously undermined and its important role in the world significantly diminished.

Robert L. Bernstein, the former president and chief executive of Random House, was the chairman of Human Rights Watch from 1978 to 1998.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 2:49 am

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem : Israel became a nation in 1312 BC, two thousand (2000) years before the rise of Islam.



2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.



3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BC, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand (1000) years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.



4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem , they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.



7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem . Mohammed never came to Jerusalem .

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem . Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem .



9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: in 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews . Sixty-eight percent left (many in fear of retaliation by their own brethren, the Arabs), without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The ones who stayed were afforded the same peace, civility, and citizenship rights as everyone else.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.



11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be about 800,000.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel , a country no larger than the state of New Jersey .

13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by twenty two separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel .

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel .

18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.

19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematicallydesecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives .

20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

A much more relevant question is. " DOES PALESTINE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST? "

Saturday November 7, 2009, 7:37 am
I wish Alan Hart's knowledge of history and/ or accurete use of historic facts matched his wonderful English. Sadly, this is not the case. And the reason for my mentioning his immaculate language skill is, that it makes a bunch of inaccurate "facts" tinted with pure Jew-hatred pose as a serious, historically accurate article.
I thank Stan for hs elaborate and very clear historical facts presentation - saving me the agony of typing them in English ! LOL!
I still wishof to stress out that:
1. There has never been a Palestinia state. The notion "Palestinians" is derived from the Biblical Hebrew word PLYSHTYM which means in Hebrew: INVADORS - these were people refferd as "People coming from the sea" maybe from Greek territories (they were the masters of nthe seas then). They did their best to take over our country, and managed to settle in several location (one of them Aza, remember Samson and Delilah's story in the Bible?) .
2.The English managed to take over our land fron the Turks with a major help of the Jews who lived here at the time ; the NYLY underground espionage movement. Sarah Aharonson fron Zyhron Yaakov was caught by the Turks and chose to commit suicide under their detention. Nevertheless, the English gave the Jews here a very hard time, prventing even the Holocaust survivors to enter the country! The English were the first to reffer to this land as Palestine - perhaps due to "true loving devotion of the Jews"?
3. As Stan has already mentioned, none of thr Arabs who lived here ever named themselves Palestinians before 1967.
I know that whatever we say or write lands on "deaf ears" maimed by Jew-hatred.
But I still feel I can't " look the other way" and let these these evil lies get bye without my devoted attention!

Saturday November 7, 2009, 7:46 am
Namasté!
Zoo regulations
Don't feed the trolls!
peace!

Saturday November 7, 2009, 1:59 pm
Does Palestine have the right to exist?

If we use the religious book argument, the God of Abraham promised specific areas of land to both the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael. The area we call Palestine was promised to the Hebrews, Isaac's children, not the Arabs, Ishmael's, although they were also promised vast areas. Muhammad was born in today's Saudi Arabia, not Palestine.

If we use the argument of history, the area was lived in mostly by Arabs since AD 70 when the Romans drove out the Jews after the Jewish Revolt. But many Jews have lived there throughout this time, also.

Another historical argument is that the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Philistines, the people who invaded Israel after the Hebrews drove out the Canaanites in the centuries after Moses. This doesn't hold water, since the modern Palestinians are not related; the earlier Philistines were wiped out by the ancient Phoenicians, which is to say the Lebanese.

Then there's the idea that Palestinians are descended from the Canaanites, also not true. Palestinians are Arabs originally from Arabia and the lands to the east.

The real problem is that the Holocaust convinced the world the Jews needed a modern nation-state, and since it is the area of ancient Israel, it was the place chosen. Palestinians were offered equal citizenship with all the same rights as Jews, but their leaders fomented a war in the fear they would lose power over the Palestinian people. If Palestinians had votes in a modern democratic Israel, how could their fuedalistic leaders have kept control? But they lost the war, and their Arab brothers have bewailed their plight since 1948 but have never offered real help. The Arab nations keep them in refugee camps, and have never offered to share any of their land, have never offered any but the most parsimonious financial aid. The hypocrisy among Arab governments about the Palestinians is appalling. The Arab people are very affected, but their governments don't seem to really care.

Other states such as Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia should all offer land for a Palestinian state, and the incredibly rich Arab countries should financially help set it up. Any other plan is unworkable, as we have seen for the last 61 years.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 3:34 pm
Israel is an international community of over 60 different ethnic origins which includes Palestinians. Israel allows the right of all to worship as they choose, to live how they want, equal rights to education, health and protection.

Now, which of you can point to an Arab or Persian country, including Gaza, where people can live in such freedom and equality. Women and children are killed for being impure after being raped and abused. They are often denied education and any form of personal freedom. In Gaza, Hamas shoot and rob their people. They kill Arabs that convert to Christianity, desecrate holy places. They go to the West and then try to enforce their religion on us.

If you wish to support this religion and their attitude then I suggest you try living in somewhere like Aden, oh, I forgot, they won't allow you to associate with theit population in case you contaminate them. Hmm, now which country sounds like one you'd like to live in?

Oh yes, can I point out that you are using Israeli technology - computer hardware & software, mobile phone technology, have family and friends who are alive because of Israeli medical research, use it when you go to hospital, have countries which now have Israeli technology to protect them, disaster areas receive aid packages immediately and were one of the first to arrive at the Twin Towers as, for some reason, they are very experienced at digging people out of rubble after bombs go off.

Now, which ARAB or PERISAN country has given anything to anybody in terms of aid or research?

May I suggest that all of you who despise Israel and believe that Jews have now right to exist (this is known as anti-Semitism and it is OK for this form of prejudice to exist) give up all Israeli technology in protest. This would mean that you would have to give up writing garbage on care2 as you can't use your computers and avoid hospitals if you are ill, but hey, they would avoid you being a hypocrite!

Sunday November 8, 2009, 2:15 pm
To all those who are sharing the discussion while trying to twist facts to serve the illegal situation of Israel.They also say that Arabs are against the existance of the Zionist state.
1 - There is an Arab intiative that was declare almost five years ago.The initiative which was adopted by all Arab counties presents an opportunity for Israel to be recognized by all Arab counties who will end the war status ,exchange diplomatic relations with Israel and normalize the relations with Israel should she agree to withdraw from all terrotories ocupied in 1967 ( west bank of river Jordan,Gaza,Syrian terretories, Lebanon'terrotories and eastern Jerusalem.But Israel till this moment didn't accept this intiative even in principal.

2 - There was aan agreement ( Oslo agreement ) between PLO and Israel but Israel didn't continue its commitments of that agreement.DON"T FORGET THAT ISRAEL'S PRIME MINISTER RABIN WHO SIGNED THIS AREEMENT WAS ASSASINATED BY AN ISRAELI.THAT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF AMERICAN ARE IMMIGRANT AND MUST RETURN TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.

3- Talking about the Historical rights of Israel is nonsense as modern countries are not created according to this rule.IMAGINE THE INDIAN AMERICAN SAYING THAT WHAT IS NOW USA IS THEIR COUNTRY AN USA NEVER EXISTED EXCEPT RECENTLY AND IT'S PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED 300 years ago.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 2:24 pm
Zionism's Version of History

This is a must watch - By Norman Finkelstein

The reason why Finkelstein is vilified by Jewish supporters of Israel right or wrong can be simply stated. In his writing and public speaking, as in his doctoral thesis, he is committed to exposing books which present Zionism's version of history. They are, he writes and says, part of a "monumental hoax", "fraud" and "nonsense".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23900.htm

Sunday November 8, 2009, 4:31 pm
Israel HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST! period...It had a chance, but was not happy with it's lot, became expansionist and warmongering, has imprisoned Gaza in a cage as a trapped animal and would have the world believe that it only attacks people in order to "defend" itself?

Oh give me a break...ISRAEL NO LONGER HAS ANY RIGHT TO EXIST!

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:25 pm
"Oh give me a break...ISRAEL NO LONGER HAS ANY RIGHT TO EXIST! "
Good argument. That certainly changed my mind. If war is the reason then no country on the planet has a right to exist. Frankly I would suggest that you look more towards your homeland of Australia which has a much worse history of colonization, mass murder and with over 50% of all prisoners in Australia being indigenous aborigine people. I would suggest you act as a role model and as soon as you find a place on earth not guilty of being human with all our faults then move there.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:56 pm
I think you would have a better argument starting with Australia having no right to exist. It was colonized by guess who? England, when they dropped off there psychopaths and sociopaths who did what psycho-paths do which is to commit mass murder of it's indigenous aborigine people and to this day those people make up over 50% of all Australian prisoners. So, maybe you should be a role model and when you find a country with no history of wars then move there.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:30 pm
Video: 9/11 Missing Links – A Must Watch Documentary
2009 June 30

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/video-911-missing-links-a-must-watch-documentary/

Israel's role in 9/11 is discussed in this video.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:49 pm
Hey, David R, there. I think you're off point and on attack, chill. If you want to take issue with David's position, speak to it. We're not talking about the atrocities elsewhere, and slamming him for his passion regarding the plight of the Palestinians and the sanctioned terrorist behaviour of the Israelis, is Beyond the Scope.

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:31 am
Ellyn S. I had a look at your Pakistani/Jihadist web-site and all I can say is that if you believe all that nonsense you need help.
A very happy Kristallnacht anniversary to you and all the other anti-semites on Care 2.

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:56 am
Here are a large number of Web sites which discussed Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. Israel is certainly capable of attacking U.S. targets with impunity.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=USS+Liberty&FORM=KKEAB1

Monday November 9, 2009, 8:09 am
Suruna, you are correct I was too attacking so I apologize for my tone. I also apologize for the back to back postings but the first one didn't appear in my browser until now. I don't apologize for for the double standards aimed at Israel. Having been a grass roots organizer, in the old days, I truly think that people should worry about where they live before worrying about where someone else lives. This topic, just by the name, reminds me of some megalomaniac deciding which country has the right to continue. Using the standards being applied to Israel then Israel is less guilty than Australia or many other nations and that is exactly the point.

Monday November 9, 2009, 8:48 pm
Speaking of “anti-semitic:” I would expect very, very few Care2 members to have this attitude. What I have seen over the years is that every time the light in shined on the extremely objectionable practices of the Zionists, they immediately begin to yell ANTI-SEMITISM! This has proven to be very effective for them, as everyone shuts up because they are afraid to be labeled “anti-semitic,”--especially the politicians, and the Zionists can then continue to go about their nefarious business. The Zionists founded Israel on terror and have been living on terror. The Israeli Mossad motto is “War through Deception.”

Here is a quote from a “Message from Matthew,” June 24, 2009, which speaks to the Zionists and their history of Palestinian oppression, financed by the U.S. taxpayers in the billions for decades, under the guise of Israel’s “right to exist.”

10. About the little known “migration assistance” to Palestinians, a humanitarian effort to relocate some of them to the United States. Obama is making a strong statement to the Zionists that no longer can they via their lobbyists persuade Congress to consistently vote to give Israel billions of dollars annually to continue its 60-year oppression of Palestinians under the guise of Israel’s “right to exist.” The Zionists, who are among the most powerful and vicious of the Illuminati, care nothing at all about the Israeli people or Jews living anywhere, but they scream “anti-Semitism” whenever anyone tries to disclose their history, which includes involvement in the Holocaust. Eventually that and other facts about the Zionist movement’s ruthlessness will come forth.

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=103&z=2

Saturday November 14, 2009, 1:34 am
Here is another piece on the Zionists and their "anti-semitism" raciest ploy, which has been very effective.

Subject: ZIONIST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - BUT SEE IT, AND YOU ARE LABELED "ANTI-SEMETIC" / "RACIST" (repost with comments)

11-12-2009
fwd from Rocky Montana

David Icke June 22, 2009 (11)

The political creed of Zionism has big ears and a long trunk and I think it's time that was pointed out. It also stampedes through our lives at every level and that needs to be said, too. It has created a pincer-movement on the human mind by hijacking staggering amounts of political, corporate, banking and media power on one side and by using the fear of being called 'anti-Semitic' if you dare to state the bloody obvious. They have been able to do this by equating in public perception that Zionism = Jewish people. It does not.

Zionism is a political creed introduced by the House of Rothschild to advance the goals of the Illuminati families that are largely controlled by the Rothschilds. When people think of Zionism they think of Jewish people. When they think of Israel they think of Jewish people. That's understandable given the propaganda, but it is seriously misleading and those instant connections need to be broken if we are going to understand what's going on here.

Significant numbers of Jewish people are not Zionists and oppose that appalling creed while many [R.M.: actually almost all] Zionists are not Jewish. [R.M.: Zionists (Khazars) have fooled the entire world by hiding behind the Jewish religion in order to advance their political goals for world domination...and unfortunately for mankind, they have done a brilliant job of reaching these goals.] These include the Christian Zionists [, the past and present political leaders of Israel, Henry Kissinger, the Bushes, the Clintons, Barack Obama and most of his cabinet, Nancy Pelosi and many other politicians,] and Obama's vice-president, Joe Biden, who told Israeli television 'I'm a Zionist'.

Here's the clip if you can stand it ... If, as Biden rightly says, you don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, how can it be a racial rather than a political movement? It can't. It's just made to appear like that to manipulate public perception because opposing Zionism then becomes opposing Jewish people as a whole and the 'you're a racist' card can be played over and over.

The above is an excerpt from an article at:
http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm