Thursday November 5, 2009, 8:50 pm
Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.

In June, Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 -- a rate well below those of other posts....WOW!

---------------------------------------------------------------------

To ease combat strees and the stress on those treating the stressed?...

STOP THE STUPID BLOODY WARS AND BRING HOME THE TROOPS!...Simple isn't it?

Friday November 6, 2009, 7:06 am
Fort Bragg had a lot of spouse abuse going on.... so something is happening here. Wake up America. Time to let our troops stay home. Nobody wants war, to go to war, or to kill people, other soldiers, innocent people... I'd do myself in if I had to go.

Friday November 6, 2009, 7:14 am
Simple to say David but much harder to do apparently...

Big gorilly hugs

Sharen you cant do yourself in sweets....whos gonna fight for the peeps???

Friday November 6, 2009, 12:42 pm
It is truely sad to hear about that bloody shooting.I don't think a wise person can commit a crime that big unless he was under a great pressure.It seens that serving in Iraq constitutes a huge unavoidable pressure.i feel sory for those who died or were injured.Isn't there a way to stop that bloody war and bring troops back home?

Friday November 6, 2009, 1:43 pm
"Simple to say David but much harder to do apparently..."

WHY?....

1) According to my local news, Obama has called for a minute of silence for the dead...

2) Given his condolences to the families of the dead and wounded...

Neither are of any help to anybody!...

A) He has not offered any sympathy to the families that now have "shellshocked" mental patients instead of the children they once had.

B) He has not called US airports and shut down all outgoing troop flights to Iraq and Afghanistan...

It's very simple, isn't it???...

Saturday November 7, 2009, 5:12 am
This guy was NEVER deployed.
Nothing and Absolutely NOTHING constitues this act.
David if youu say you are all against war and killing and yet in the above you write "Can you blame him".
That is not supportiing no violence at all.
He planned this act out.
It has been reported that not only was he blogging anti-American rhetoric but he REJOICED in the Shooting of death of a young recuit by a Muslim.
This was not some random act that he committed.
He DID NOT HAVE POST TRAMUATED STRESS DISORDER.BEcause HE HAS NEVER BEEN DEPLOYED!
Being a Muslim didnot stop him from joining the military to have his school and medical paid for.
There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims that fight in our armed services for what they feel is right,have served many times over.
German-Americans fought the Nazis in WWII and Japanese-Americans fought the Japanese as well.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR THIS ACT!
He fired upon his people that he had been helping,freinds even,people he had worked next for YEARS!
It was a cold-blooded and cowardly act!

Saturday November 7, 2009, 8:46 am
My condolences to the families and friends of those who died and support also to those who got wounded. Anyone who does such a terrible thing must've been in a terrible state of mind. As someone wrote somewhere else: this tragedy already has enough victims so PLEASE let's all pray for peace... it's tragic that as soldier happens to be Muslim his religion is mentioned, even if soldiers of all persuasions and none have done extreme and inhuman things while suffering mental health issues. I pray for peace for all!

Saturday November 7, 2009, 9:06 am
They mention his religion for several reasons;
1) Americans have had Islamaphobia since 9-11
2) It sells more papers
3) If he were Chinese they would mention that also.

In a perfect world they will just say soldier without race, religion, creed or sexual preference.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 12:25 pm
You bet I blame him. He is a murderer plain and simple.

The only thing that he knew "too much" about was radical Islam. This in nothing to be ignored, as many more are right here planning more attacks for Allah. Face it people it was the religion that supported this murdering spree.

There must be more done to instruct and prevent Muslims from slipping into this extreme mindset. And it starts with the mosques and the religion itself.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 3:10 pm
Only the dead know the end of war --Plato
Jesus "Love your enemy"
my enemy is not Islam but a few criminals who happen to profess God as exclusively their property

Saturday November 7, 2009, 3:17 pm
David I was talking about this comment...:STOP THE STUPID BLOODY WARS AND BRING HOME THE TROOPS!...Simple isn't it? No it isnt...Not easy at all. Yeah this is gonna be bad for all muslims now...the americans hate them already and this just adds fuel to the fire...

BigGorillyHgs

Saturday November 7, 2009, 3:36 pm
David, in answer to your question, do I blame him? For having feelings or thougths for or against anything, no. For the slaughter of innocent and unarmed men and women that he very well may have known and treated, yes.

His race is irrelevant as is his religion. Clearly, he cleared all the security clearances necessary to be a Major in the US Army where he took oaths appropriate to his position. His cowardly act is a reflection on him individually, which is also where any punishment should be directed. Swiftly, given the setting, the number of witnesses, and the fact that he was shot in the act. Cowardly, because soldiers on base in the US are typically not armed. Had he done this in Afghanistan or Iraq, the soldiers he gunned down would have been in a position to quickly defend themselves.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 4:02 pm
"To ease combat strees and the stress on those treating the stressed?...

STOP THE STUPID BLOODY WARS AND BRING HOME THE TROOPS!...Simple isn't it? "

It's not so simple. I do believe in the notion of good and evil though I can't define it. Hitler was unbridled evil as was Stalin. The Khmer Rouge were evil as is what's going on in Darfur. The genocide that occurred in Bosnia was evil. The Japanese rape of Nanking was evil. In order to defend ourselves from evil we must lower ourselves, touch evil and then destroy it. The difference I guess between us and them is conscience and once we are finished we leave it and regret it, sometimes for the rest of our lives.
I remember being asked a philosophical question. If one were to hold in your arms infant Hitler as cute as all infants but you knew what he would do then what would you do?

Not so simple

Saturday November 7, 2009, 4:44 pm
Oh, dear, where to start. Lady Lib.., good point catching that incongruous statement, "Do you blame him for that?" Struck me as inconsistent with a non-violent position too.

I also find it suspect that Maj. Hasan simply went berserk. But I must correct you, Lady Lib.., the fact that he was never in combat doesn't factor in a PTSD diagnosis. One may be diagnosed with it due to any number of stressors, just ask me, wink, wink!

No argument, this was extreme prejudice. Will be interesting if we ever get the Whole Story.

One other thing, I live near Ft Carson. We hear about the abuse, and suicide, there is also a huge jump in violent crime, and I mean violent! I wonder why more isn't reported on this. Oh, more bad PR.

Bring them home!!!

Saturday November 7, 2009, 4:53 pm

Try this

Orlando shooter, US army Fort Hood shooter both linked to psychiatric drugs

The fog of war envelops Fort Hood

Saturday November 7, 2009, 4:57 pm
I don't like that last sentence; philosophical is it? Whoever made it up is a manipulator, him or herself could have been a serial killer . That dark side lays in everyone including David so lay off the glittering generalities.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 5:08 pm
"Hasan was scheduled to be deployed to Iraq "and appeared to be upset about that,"

If I was about to be deployed in Iraq, an American born Muslim, continually harassed by my fellow Americans (Whom I came here to help)?...I would be worried, wouldn't you?

I don't find it suspect in the least that a pshychiatrist spending 8 hours? a day listening to the outpourings of people who just witnessed their best friend being blown to pieces is, himself, looking down the barrel at massive depression and certainly anguish at being posted to Iraq...

Do you blame him for that?...

If anyone else wishes to take my words out of context, and screw them upside down for their own alternate reasons, please feel free to do so....Hopefully any "real" people here will not take the troll/s seriously?

Saturday November 7, 2009, 5:37 pm
I think we all should assume that there may be family members of the fine men and women who died at Fort Hood in the Care2 community who may eventually read any of the threads on this topic. Just a thought that I think we all should consider..

Not directing that your way, David. You are a very bright guy, even if we view issues differently at times. Just a general comment, self-directed and shared, for what it's worth and applicable not just to your post but really to all threads about this incident. Just my opinion.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 5:44 pm
David I hope you dont think Im the Troll???? Im not really...

Big Gorilly Hugs

Saturday November 7, 2009, 8:33 pm
What a travesty of justice that he still lives.

Saturday November 7, 2009, 9:23 pm
What a travesty of justice that a man was driven to such desperation (Insanity?) by the very establishment that trained him to treat his fellow (phsychologically destroyed) human beings who, in turn, racially attackd him for his chosen religious beliefs and taunted him to this point of no return (No way out?)...

The Establishment: "They turned the economy over to thieves from Wall Street and created a military machine that turns youth into murderers and assassins whose job it is to conquer the world for the fat cats of global capital". The end of America?...

Fort Hood is nothing more (or less) than a factory production line designed to produce killers...As with an automobile factory which produces the odd "rogue" car, so must Fort Hood produce the odd "rogue" soldier?...

There are 9 schools of "raw material" (kids) at Fort Hood"...All grow up in a military environment where killing is the "name of the game"?...Time to wake up America?...

Saturday November 7, 2009, 11:30 pm
Fort Hood Massacre is an example of War Crimes that we accept every day. We accept soldiers suffering from killing people and returning with their lives forever changed for the worse. We accept the death of our enemies as if they are not people too. We accept the idea that our enemies are our brothers and sisters. We accept that Nidal Malik Hasan was a murderer and terrorist or blame him and see him as the enemy when he was US.

Nidal Malik Hasan was an America Citizen. He was deeply disturbed by his military experience and more outraged by the prospect that he was going to have to go and fight or kill other Muslims. He taught US that the world is uncaring not to see his pain and conflict when he repeatedly tried to free himself of his military obligations and pay his educational debt with money instead of going to Iraq or Afghanistan. We ignored his being a Muslim and sent him to kill other Muslims. He suffered the racism, hate speech of returning soldiers telling him of their superiority to the evil and bad Muslims they killed, abused, while occupying their country and ridiculing their faith.

We accept the idea that our War Crimes in the M.E. are nothing, but Nidal Malik Hasan's crimes are hateful and wrong. Everything you know is wrong! All War is WRONG! Nidal Malik Hasan died and his actions say this louder that any words. Hate, self hate, guilt, shame, and death are the fruit of war and warriors returning from war that make all wars War Crimes.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 12:19 am
"Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Casey because you have done so within the last week."....

Oh YES I CAN! *****

Sunday November 8, 2009, 12:52 am
This pathetic excuse for a soldier betrayed his position, his comrades and the country which welcomed him in as a fellow citizen and gave him the education and opportunity to follow his chosen career.
If he had problems with the prospect of fighting his fellow Muslims he could have done the honourable thing and resigned from the army instead of killing and maiming over 40 innocent people. Nothing justifies what he did.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 1:02 am
"This pathetic excuse for a soldier" IS an American citizen Stan!...Just like you?

Sunday November 8, 2009, 1:13 am
I'm actually an Australian citizen David!.... Just like you.
And this guy IS " a pathetic excuse for a soldier " and a pathetic excuse for a human being. As I stated above, he had a way out of his situation and chose not to use it.
Do you have any compassion for his victims?

Sunday November 8, 2009, 1:26 am
stan b wrote: "This pathetic excuse for a soldier betrayed his position, his comrades and the country which welcomed him in as a fellow citizen and gave him the education and opportunity to follow his chosen career.
If he had problems with the prospect of fighting his fellow Muslims he could have done the honourable thing and resigned from the army instead of killing and maiming over 40 innocent people. Nothing justifies what he did."

He tried to resign, but YOU IGNORED THAT FACT.

He fought on the side of the oppressed, against your oil-greedy U.S. imperialist warmongers who have been, directly and indirectly, murdering millions of Muslim people, and oppressing and exploitiing most of the Muslims of the world!!!

Sunday November 8, 2009, 3:24 am
I see a lesson here.
If a soldier tries to resign from the Army, BETTER YOU SHOULD LET HIM RESIGN.
If Major Hasan had been allowed to resign, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

He had hired an ATTORNEY to help his case to resign from the Army. Apparently, his deployment was going to happen BEFORE HIS ATTORNEY HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE HIS CASE TO COURT. The Army sometimes "settles" things in that way.

I BLAME THE ARMY ITSELF. It looks like they thought they were "punishing" him for trying to resign and making "trouble" when they were "short on troops". So, just send him over there! he won't be able to file a complaint from Afghanistan, he'll be too busy!

If he blogged strongly anti-war sentiments, as I and my friends do all the time, ALL THE MORE REASON TO GET HIM OUT OF THE ARMY. He was an UNRELIABLE SOLDIER. A ticking time-bomb ready to go off.

The person to blame is the STUPID SUPERIOR OFFICER WHO WOULDN'T LET MAJOR HASAN RESIGN. Probably he had his orders from above, too, to not let that happen.

The cumulative pressures, all the ones we've been hearing about, finally got to much for the guy, and he snapped. HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO SNAP. That is why he SINCERELY TRIED TO PREVENT THAT, by trying to resign from the Army, but in vain!!!

By the way, Major Hasan was BORN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN JUST LIKE I WAS.
If he was "a pathetic excuse for a soldier", he KNEW that, and that's why he tried to LEAVE THE ARMY! The HONORABLE way! by becoming a civilian! When that didn't work.... he just couldn't take it any more!

We ALL have our BREAKING POINTS......at which point rationality isn't part of the equation.

This was a TRAGEDY the ARMY HAD FULL POWER TO PREVENT.
But I suspect they WON'T learn a thing to change their habitual ways.
Instead, they are doing the Hollywood-Central-Casting bit, of gradually drawing a frame around him to cast him as "Islamic boogeyman terrorist".

Sunday November 8, 2009, 3:40 am
By the way, Major Hasan OFFERED TO PAY THE ARMY BACK FOR THE COST OF HIS MEDICAL TRAINING. He wasn't trying to take advantage!
If he had been "premeditating" a massacre, then why ALL THE EFFORTS to leave? It was an act of PURE DESPAIR AND LOSS OF ANY HOPE.

I can sort of put myself in his shoes...... up to the POINT, anyway, where he cracked......

HE DID NOT WANT TO KILL IN WAR. And returning troups have told us, and must have told him too, that even "support troops" over there, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, find themselves right on the front lines, right in the line-of-fire, kill or be killed.......
So, even tho he was a "Doctor", a "support troop", he knew he would not have been spared that.
Yes, he so strongly didn't want to kill, that when the Insanity finally hit, finally washed over and drowned him, he turned into a Killer.... that, to me, makes a grim kind of sense....

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:20 am
Israel, USA,
how many kids have you killed today???

Sunday November 8, 2009, 6:06 am
As a man of medicine he should of known better.. better to take a prozac than looose the plot... his selfish actions have shattered lives and brought in untold grieving nd misery... surely as a shrink he should of known much better... better to seek the counsel with many than alone...

Sunday November 8, 2009, 6:15 am
He lost the plot and had no way out...Can you not understand that Chaz?

Sunday November 8, 2009, 6:52 am
While I sympathize with this man's dilemma and hold his superior officers responsible for his "breakdown", I can in no way justify his "solution"...taking the lives of his fellow soldiers. Even if he couldn't get out of his situation through channels, he could have simply gone AWOL until his case was tried. Instead, he chose the coward's way out. However, given the heinousness of the acts committed in the name of "democracy" by Bush and Cheney and the rest of the neocons, I understand his outrage, although I am not Muslim and not in the military. I wonder what drugs he was taking and what kind of harassment he had suffered for his religious beliefs and ethnicity.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 10:07 am
If this guy was such a die hard Muslim, why did he join the American forces in the first place? There is no excuse for this murderer.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 10:52 am
The man was ill, suffering from PSD and probably on medication.

To me, the blood is on the hand of the Bush government and ALL the Americans who 've pushed for the war against Iraq (and Afghanistan). They need to be held accountable.

-------> *Stop the wars*.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:18 am
US Army does not require soldiers to give up their religious believes, nor only atheists join Army. Hasan was no different from other soldiers.
About medicines, I suppose no one red Orlando shooter, US army Fort Hood shooter both linked to psychiatric drugs.
Basically, "The mainstream media, not surprisingly, has utterly failed to raise this question. But it's being raised by independent media like Prison Planet, where writer Paul Joseph Watson says "Psychiatrists have a history of 'self-medication' because of the easy access they have to psychotropic drugs. In almost every major mass shooting over the past two decades, since anti-depressant drugs became popular, the killer has been on SSRI's – serotonin reuptake inhibitors.""

Further "What's clear about both the Orlando shooting and the Fort Hood shooting is that there's a psychiatric drug connection to both. Neither of these men was acting rationally. Something "flipped a switch" in their brains. That something was almost certainly a psychiatric drug.

Until we halt the chemical holocaust being perpetrated against our world by the psychiatric drugging industry, we will continue to see more of these violent, drug-induced shootings take place. Count on it. Psych drugs cause violence. And the more psych drugs are prescribed, the more violence we'll see.

According to Medwatch statistics, 63,000 people in the U.S. have committed suicide while on antidepressant drugs."

Sunday November 8, 2009, 1:45 pm
He couldn't keep his head. Such a complete injustice on the casualties and their families. I am awaiting the investigation and whatever is found out in the trial.

(Thinking about the wall street and bank bonus boys he could have found a better target. )

Sunday November 8, 2009, 2:36 pm
He was the best target.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 3:01 pm
What I don't understand, is those people who seem to think that Major Hasan was acting at all "rationally", like a Mafia Hit Man making a hit.
This man underwent, apparently, a LENGTHY period of cumulative stress.

By the way, the REASON given, for his joining the Army, altho a Muslim if that makes any difference, was, because "he wanted to serve his country after 9/11". The NOBLEST of motives {even if mistaken}.

Well, after a while, the Army wasn't what he expected. Altho he didn't see actual combat, someone pointed out above, that it is not NECESSARY to see combat, in order to experience PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. As a Medical Helper of soldiers, the horror stories he must have been hearing from Iraq and Afghanistan, about the horrible gruesome bloody deaths-by-dismemberment-and-bombings of BOTH American soldiers, AND Muslim civilians; PLUS possible racial/religious harassment he may have been subjected to from the very people he was TRYING TO HELP; it would take A STRONGER PERSON THAN HE PERCEIVED HIMSELF TO BE, to endure all that.

Major Hasan REALIZED he was NOT strong enough to take all that. He had that much insight into himself. He made all the efforts he POSSIBLY COULD MAKE, to LEGALLY leave the Army.
The Army SHOULD HAVE LISTENED. But the Army WILL NEVER, EVER ADMIT IT'S AT FAULT.

Easy for YOU to say, he shoulda done this, he shoulda done that, gone AWOL, etc. He exhausted ALL available legal channels, with the help of an ATTORNEY; and was deployed ANYWAY. Possibly, as I theorize, deployment was a "punishment" or just to shut him up so he'd stop being a nuisance to the Top Brass.

What do you do when you come to the end of the road? Well, some of us might become depressed and try to commit suicide. SEVERAL soldiers at Fort Hood, ACTUALLY TOOK THAT ROUTE.
Again as was stated above, as a Psychiatrist he had easy access to any amount of drugs he chose to take. So maybe, ironically, he TOOK these "anti-depressants" to try to stave off suicide......which is by the way, against many forms of religious belief, and he was a devout man.

"What's clear about both the Orlando shooting and the Fort Hood shooting is that there's a psychiatric drug connection to both. Neither of these men was acting rationally. Something "flipped a switch" in their brains. That something was almost certainly a psychiatric drug."

"Flipped a switch" is the key thing. This was not a Mafia hit man preparing to deliberately carry out a well-thought-out plan.
This was someone who suddenly became A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON.....

According to EVERYONE who knew him when he was acting "normally".....

Sunday November 8, 2009, 3:12 pm
There are an estimated 3,500 Muslims in the U.S. Army. They have their own chaplains. Being a Muslim does not bar one from enlisting in the U.S. Army, either from the Army side, or from the Muslim side.

That a person has sincere and devout religious beliefs and practices, does not necessarily mean they will kill for their religion: whether Christian or Muslim.
Some Christians are willing to "kill for Christ"; others, equally sincere in their beliefs, are not. There are Crusaders; and there are Quakers; both may profess a devout Christianity.
Same with just about any other world religion; including Islam.

Muslims, like GLBT people, and like Jews for that matter, have been known to be harassed in the Armed Services. It is the HARASSERS that cause troop dis-unity; NOT their victims. WOMEN in the Armed Services have been harassed, and worse, also. There perhaps needs to be more thorough training of troops in these matters.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 3:38 pm
BMutinyThemIDefy,

I don't consider his actions a reflection on anyone other than himself. His actions were immediately condemned by mainstream Muslims the day the reports hit the news. As to him being harassed, I'm certain that whatever led him to this will be fully reported by the major news outlets. If he was, then it still does not justify the killings. There are many other options including the suggestion someone made of going AWOL.

No question that training is an issue, the General who had command of the base said that in an interview. His fellow troops may have let him down in a way, as the AP has been reporting that his comments against the war were not reported because of fears that they had of appearing insensitive to his background. Had they reported him earlier, perhaps he could have been successfully treated and this tragedy could have been avoided. But that, at least in my opinion, is something to consider for the future. His actions have already occurred.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 4:07 pm
he should have never joined if he wasnt prepared to fight for his country...this was a terrorist attack and his religion had alot to do with it...the military spent nearly 1 million dollars on his education etc..and this is how he pays them back..

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:07 pm
I consider Hasan's action to be a reflection on the ridiculous U.S. culture that put him there. Full of conflicts and contradictions was his act, even if under the influence of a anti-depressant drug regime, which should be seen as a part of the crime if true, but Hasan is an American. He reflects the racist, religiously myopic, ethnocentric, and rigid American Culture.

Only ditto head deniers would deny the connections between his advanced education, being a Muslim, trying to leave the military or not be deployed, and his views that empathized with suicide bombers to understand why people do these things. It is a CRY FOR HELP ! ! A CRY FOR STUPID AMERICANS TO STOP BEING SO STUPID ! But stupid rigid regimes don't change, they just do stupid things, such as the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War to act all macho and shit about 9/11... Stupid is as stupid does, right !

Ignoring the conflictual situation all Americans are in because of bush&co lying about the reasons to go to war and creating a motive for ONE BILLION MUSLIMS TO HATE U.S. is pretty stupid, but they like being stupid so they keep denying that the war is wrong and unjustifiable. What if Hasan believed the U.S. was killing his family with our stupid war? What if Hasan believed we were going to make him deny his own identity as a Muslim and he would have to take part in these illegal and immoral wars?? What if Hasan was right to believe what he thought and EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG?????????

He may be in such conflict knowing he was right to feel and believe he did that he would be ready to act out these contradictions and conflicts by screaming I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN and I AM AN ENEMY OF AMERICAN STUPID Wars, by acting like an enemy and killing the enemy of Muslims: American soldiers !!!

This act speaks for itself on an historical level and reflects on all of US that we sit here in our Pleasure Bubbles voicing decent or approval while the Military Industrial Complex runs our government and millions are dying or suffering for corporate profits.

Deny the act is a reflection on US all, but 13 people are still dead, and 28 wounded while thousands of US soldiers have died in the war and we keep on denying the stupidity and moral criminal wrong that the war is. Hasan reflects that in his act. His act that is wrong speaks to US about what we are doing wrong, if you DON'T DENY the obvious wrong the bush&co and all their American supporters are guilty of too.

Hasan is the mirror of US actions. We are mass murderers and have murdered and wounded millions for corporate profits, not democracy, not even 9/11, but greed and avarice of Corporate America, Haliburton, Exxxxxon, and other materialist whores. Hasan's acts are a reflection of the corporate power we can all be proud of. Do you feel the pride, the glory to god and kuntry? Do you feel it?

The real patriot and realist feels shame and is hurt by all who have died for greed and avarice and wants to remove greed and avarice from the motives for US actions, wars, and start living in the present without archaic religious fantasy based cartoon logical excuses for our existence, mistakes, and crimes.

Hasan did pay them back, don't you get it?

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:37 pm
He came there with 2 loaded non-military issue hand guns. This was obviously pre-meditated and as long as he understood what he was doing then by law he should be found guilty of 12 counts of murder. It's pretty common knowledge that military's don't allow resignations because one is about to be deployed. Frankly if he shot himself in the foot he wouldn't have been deployed and 12 peoples kids, parents and or spouses would still be alive.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 9:09 pm
Yea he broke the law and will pay the consequences, since he is going to live. That's obvious, but what is not so obvious? What is the motive? What is the psychology?

The kind of hate that makes one murder is pathological, even in war. PDSS is not an isolated effect of war. Most people returning from active duty suffer Post Delayed Shock Syndrome and that is because war and killing or watching people die damages you psychologically.

That said, why would we NOT care why he murdered those people at Fort Hood? You don't care? You don't care why 9/11 happened either? You don't care that the World Trade Towers were an inside job and the planes could NOT make them fall from fire or impact?? What is the problem here?

People don't care is the problem.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:25 pm
wait a minute..., if you want out or refuse to obey orders, there are options. This Major.., wasn't allowed a honorable way to "get out," and in that aspect he was blocked.

HOWEVER, if he was that distraught of deploying, then he could have chosen the "dishonorable" way out with refusing to obey orders. He would have been tried in the military court and never been deployed. INSTEAD, he decided to kill people. I respect his choice to change his mind to obey his orders, regardless of my opinion of his choice, but HE DID HAVE A CHOICE that would have affect only him, and NOT TAKE THE LIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE.

We will probably never get the whole truth of this story. In my opinion, no way would a Major decide to kill people, when he was blocked from an honorable discharge or any other option to avoid being deployed.

I have read many of you who have in the past demanded these soldiers get out and refuse to be deployed, but I have never read anyone condone killing people to avoid being deployed. This Major murdered human-beings, and there is NO excuse. There is more to this story, but I don't think we will ever get the whole truth.

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:50 am
Wouldn't it be great if we ever get the "whole truth" Dar?...Like you, I doubt it...

Unfortunately I believe (and me only?) that this "incident" will be blown out of all proportion (as in 9/11) and used to incite hatred of all Muslims and boost the American media myth that all Muslims are "terrorists" and therefore the US is obliged to kill them all...Let's keep wars going, it's money for fun?...(Over my dead body!)

But just for a moment, let us stop and think?...Was this American born Muslim guilty of anything other than losing his mind and acting accordingly?...A little empathy, not only for his victims but also for his deranged mind and actions?...But for the grace of God go YOU!

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:54 am
"Unfortunately I believe (and me only?) that this "incident" will be blown out of all proportion (as in 9/11)"...As were the mythical "weapons of mass deception" used to start an illegal war?...What's new?

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:07 am
David B. You could apply the same twisted logic to other mass murderers like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler et al. Are we supposed to feel a little empathy for them too?

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:38 am
Maybe this man does not deserve condemnation but a little help?...

Guilty until proven innocent?...Twisted logic stan?

Monday November 9, 2009, 4:36 am
One possible hypothesis is that he was in a delusional state and having heard other complain of the deployment
mass suicide was the only option. Historically the other option mass defection from the military the Russians under Kerensky is the only instance I know of.and that was when and because they were starving.

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:12 am
It was not a mass suicide and since he lived, thanks to local hospitals and doctors who provided quick and evidently very good medical treatment, it was not suicide at all. It was mass murder of unarmed innocent people. The memorial service is tomorrow to remember those whose lives were ended by his unjustifiable actions.

To reduce the likelihood of this happening again, I agree with those like Casey who have said that we should find the reasons for his actions and do whatever is needed to prevent this from occurring again. As Dar D said, he had other and much better choices.

As to "guilty until proven innocent", he will get his day in court, or in his case military tribunal. Anybody actually think that he is not guilty of the murder of 13 and the assault on an additional 31 people? The "grace of God" does not prevent me from doing something similar. I am responsible for my actions, just as he is. Unfortunately, there is no suitable punishment for the lives he took and the families that he irreparably harmed.

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:22 am
Fact :
He was NOT discriminated against at all.He suffered NO harassment and in fact harassed the already fragile soliders with PTSD that he was suppose to be helping.He was reported several times such incidents and was still allowed to pratice.

Fact :
It takes an average 8 years to reach Major status.He got it in only 6.Proving he was pushed along because of the Political correct qoute that our Armed Forces NOW have to adhere to.

Fact:
Days before the shooting.NOT his deployment,because he told he was to be deployed and was still WAITING for his date.
He gave notice to his landlord and an extra $600 to give to someon who needed it.He called friends to thank them for their friendship and gave out qurans to others at his complex.Doing all the things a very sane person would do when going off to serve or to do what he did in a calculated state.That doesn't sound like a druggie to me.

Fact :
More Muslims are killed a day by other Muslims then they are by ANY OTHER people.Do to warring tribes and the eer present War of the divided factions of Islam.That is why the Taliban and Al-Quida have no issue with killing other Muslims as long as it helps them to reach their goal as the *True followers of Muhammad*.
Do your research on the Hundreds years of war between the Sunni and Shi'a.Then throw in the Sufis and the Suadi version called Wahabi,which is an extreme form of Islam.
So there is absolutely NO weight to the whole *Muslims do not kill Muslims* idea.It is a political LIE!
Because they do it at their conviences.

Fact :
This guy rejoiced in the shooting of an army recruit by another Muslim in Arkansas.Spoke out with Anti-American rhetoric to other soliders and colleagues,and NO ONE ever said anything out of FEAR of being politically incorrect or accused of harassment.

Fact:
He had NO problem with being in the Armed Forces and certainly NO problem with America as OUR tax dollars went to pay for HIS education and salary!
WE DO NOT HAVE A DRAFT!
It was his personal decision to join.
And it is a contractally argeement between the civilian and the Federal Governemnt to serve.
He could have done waht Hundreds of other Soliders have done to keep from redeployed or deployed and that's go AWAHL.There are hundreds of awahl soliders in Canadian and even Mexico.Hell he had family over seas that he could have EASILY have been disappeared.
So he had PLENTY of other choices then to kill 13,not 12 people and if you coount the pregant woman and her unborn baby that would make 14 people.

Fact :
Just in he has been connected with an Iman that is currently underinvestigation for possilbe terror plots and went to the SAME Mosque as the 9/11 Terrorist!
So what was his real intent here people?
Certainly not because he didn't want to kill others,and certainly not because he was on drugs or had PTSD.

Fact:
Are we at war with Islam?

No!

We are at war with extremeist and Fundamentalist bent on destroying everyone,even their own people to acheive their goals!

Fact:
There is never any excuse to kill.
It says so in the Quran.

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:33 am
It will take a while, but eventually the truth will out.

"Despite a desperate attempt on behalf of the establishment media to reinforce clichéd stereotypes to prop up the war on terror, by depicting the Fort Hood shooter as a devout Muslim fundamentalist, it turns out that just like the 9/11 pasty hijackers, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had a taste for the very much westernized sins of alcohol and strip clubs."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/strip-club-visits-contradict-contrived-stereotype-of-fort-hood-shooter.html

Monday November 9, 2009, 11:40 am
Judy ~ Muslims are allowed to endulge in such activities as long as they are not in a Islamic country.Only the men are allowed to do such things.
Women must ALWAYS adhere to the Sharia and Fatwa.

The fact is his is an *Extremist*.If he had been a Christian screaming "God is great' in English then the media and experts would NOT even bring up PTDS.They would ALL blame it on his religion.But because he is a Muslim then the Media,experts and Commentators are giving him an excuse by using PTDS or that he did not "Want to kill other Muslims" which is crap to be honest.
Like I said we are not at War with Islam or even Muslims.
We are at war and under attack by extremist and fundamentalist.
And there is NO denying that.

Monday November 9, 2009, 4:45 pm
And the conservative Keeristians yell: "HATEHATEHATE>>HATE> HATE HATE >>>>HATE>

The taste of blood, vengeance is mine saith the War Criminals who are attacking and occupying Muslim countries...

You are denying that! You deny we attacked Iraq when they had NOTHING to do with 9/11

You deny that a Muslim who understands why a suicide bomber does what he does to fight an enemy that he can NOT FIGHT ANY OTHER WAY, as Hasan did, because he was a Psychiatrist an highly educated man.

Further you deny we, the U.S., is a War Criminal Country because we broke International Law to preemptively attack Iraq.

Yes there is denial here about many FACTS !! !

That said, the killings were wrong and I am not defending them. I am understanding them.

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:09 pm
This is too serious; too tragic for putting up arguments. Having done some reading on related subjects I suggested
Hasim was in a delusional state and thought he was committing mass suicide. Never have I given credence to insanity defense because most mental patients know the difference between right and wrong; even that killing oneself is wrong. But perhaps it is by Grace we may hear the story from his own mouth. I want to know about the harassment situation having read "Nineteen Minutes" by Jodi Picoult. Again please understand I don't hold two wrongs make a right. The commentator with the skull especially take notice. We have the right to know the whole truth before sentence is passed.

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:22 pm
Sorry Frank, I've done the same thing and your clarification makes perfect sense. The whole truth, do we ever actually get that? Incidentally, the skull is actually a Mexican painting that represents the Day of the Dead which is also known as All Souls Day. I recognized it a few weeks ago from a painting that I originally thought was Spanish several years ago. For some reason, it reminded me of The Scream, which is more famous. Either way, El dia de la Muertas, is celebrated beginning on November 1 each year. Also read a suspense novel recently that culminated in a Mexican cemetary on the evening of November 2. Thought you might like to know.

Monday November 9, 2009, 7:56 pm
Thanking Paul about the skull: Good use of eyesight: it does look familiar. I think it may be included in one of Diego
Rivera murals I have on an old post card.

Monday November 9, 2009, 8:22 pm
Sigmund Freud said there are no mistakes, not because you are crazy, angry, or insane. Everything we do is for a reason and what we do reflects the reasons in how and what we do.

Alice Miller, a German Psychoanalyst wrote a book, "The Drama of The Gifted Child" that explained Freud's ideas in terms of our relationships with our children and each other. W.D. Winnicott is cited so many times that I used Miller’s bibliography to buy Winnicott’s books too and found the spirit of Miller's books clearly discussed. Together they talk of pleasing others in demanding situations that make us become who others want US to be, in order for them to love US.

We become the "false self" or the actor. When the actor takes over our personality we are not who we really are. For example: we proclaim our true faith in false gods and become priests or politicians or love for false careers, then the conflict for our true self that thinks god is a fairy tale for adults or being a doctor or lawyer is what my mother wanted me to be and people become these things to be loved. Their true feelings or true self hates the conflict laden cartoon logic fantasies of religion for the politician or priest, and many professionals hate their work or career. This builds till we have a crisis of identity or worse a psychotic break and become violent.

It is the principle of the actor-false self dominating and the true self dying or being destroyed by what the false self has to do to be accepted and loved that causes murder. Murder in almost every case I have read involves the death of the killer’s true self and he or she acts it out by killing another to see how they survive what the killer is feeling is happening to their true self. This is true for Charlie Manson to Hitler and if you read enough, you will find the death of their true self in childhood continuing through their adult life.

I think Hasan is such a case. I believe he became an American, but he KNEW HE IS PALESTINIAN ! He knew the U.S. backs Israel and the Americans and Jews in America, as well as the Jews in Israel HATE Palestinians. He knew he was obligated to be the good soldier and do the expected things to be accepted in medical school and in the military as a Major he and did them very very well. He vented at times declaring, "I am a Muslim first and an American second." He lectured on the validity and justification of Palestinian suicide bombers. These are windows into who Hasan really is that we American ethnocentric (Means culturally myopic or single minded) can not understand or even want to see because Americans DO NOT VALUE OTHER CULTURES.

We relate to other cultures like eating at another restaurant. We try thinking we are not racist by saying I have black friends at work or socially, or I speak a little Mexican with the wetbacks working in my yard, but we are not understanding or insightful about the real differences. Lou Dobbs represents many racist Americans who want to throw Mexicans out of the country. The Repulsive Republicans don't want to help Mexicans who need health care. The idea of the “Melting Pot” is PURE RACISM because it assumes everyone wants or has to become a white American.

Palestinians are less than Mexicans in the American racist rubric. Hasan's actions are a "scream" for understanding that his false self has become someone that hates his true self. Hasan became a American Major in the military and was being sent to kill or see action against his own people, against his true self...

His true self felt murdered by the denial of who he really is, denial of respect for Palestinians to have their Land that Israeli Jews have stolen. Palestinians have no way to fight for their land against American and Israeli military force, but to go berserk and become the weapon in their own self to fight for their true self against their oppressors.

I believe his true self was being killed by what he was doing and who he had become. He could not hold back the rage and betrayal of trust that he would be treated fairly and respected for who he really is. In FACT his true self was killed by what he had become and was being obligated to do. He was forced to live and become someone the military and the Americans and Jewish influence directing opinion against the Palestinians wanted him to be. To become his own worst enemy. He chose/he snapped to fight his true enemies who had killed his true self and have stolen his people's homelands and mass murdered his people in trumped up wars, and daily abuse them in check points, and deprive them of food, medicine, education, and normal things to have a good life.

Empathy is not a way to excuse a crime, it is a way to understand why the crime was committed and if progressively understood it becomes a way to avoid such events in the future, but we have to learn not to make the same mistakes and correct the wrongs that act as forces making people become human death machines. But that means Israel and the US have to give Palestinians back their land and start living in mutual respect. That means no more wars against Islamic countries. We have to differ conflicts and military interventions to the U.N., which can moderate, negotiate, and find peaceful ways to settle problems without mass murder or war, as the U.S. is doing now in Iraq, Afghanistan, and through Israel to the Palestinians -> and it is NOT a stretch to say the U.S. or NATO or Christian and Jewish countries are engaged in wars against Islamic Countries.

This must end or Hasan is just another suicide bomber we will ignorantly condemn and not understand.

One World

Peace

Monday November 9, 2009, 9:14 pm
jThere is no American media myth that all Muslims are terrorists. Most people know that most Muslims are not fanatical terrorists, suicide bombers, and nutcases who fly airplanes into buildings with the express purpose of killing as many innocent people as possible. But there are a LOT of them who are fanatics, who feel that it is morally acceptable to kill not only non-Muslims, but also fellow Muslims, in pursuit of their own ideals. If people are not aware of and on guard against these fanatics, then they are inviting disaster.

We are not at war with Iraq, though we were for what?, maybe 5 minutes. We are not at war with Afghanistan, we are not at war with Islam. We are at war with terrorists who happen to profess to be Muslim.

Death before dishonor obviously never entered this man's head. Better to have killed himself than to have murdered 14 other people and brought everlasting dishonor upon himself.

Monday November 9, 2009, 9:33 pm
He was a psychiatrist, and well-educated in mental health to perhaps know when the signs of when to seek help? just a thought. The other thing that tugs the heck out of my gut...., is that he was a Major. I didn't know he got that rank in 6 years, and that is something I would like to know the "how"??? I definitely won't make any determination of some "terrorist" angle, and I agree with you David, I don't want to see this "incident" blown out of all proportion for some "other" agenda.....Nor do I want to find, yet..., another report of false-information. Something just isn't jiving with the "stories" that are being reported..., and I am holding back from making any conclusions of the full truth of "why" this happened. Like David, I really wonder if we will get the "whole" truth...

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:26 pm
"Fact :
He was NOT discriminated against at all.He suffered NO harassment and in fact harassed the already fragile soliders with PTSD that he was suppose to be helping.He was reported several times such incidents and was still allowed to pratice". ...

If you can give me justification for that statement, please do LL.(Link, evidence, anything)..If not please leave this thread and spread your never ending venom elsewhere?

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:41 pm
"We are at war and under attack by extremist and fundamentalist.
And there is NO denying that"...

Yes there is!...The extremists and fundamendalists are not attacking America...America is attacking them... In their own country, with absolutely NO justification...Afghanistan has been at war with itself for thousands of years and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the American war machine.

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:47 pm
If "defending America from terrorists" means attacking them in a country far away (their own) is ok...Then I guess that if America blew every other country on the planet off the face of the earth, America would be a very safe place?

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 4:08 am
this major was talking to terrorists(al-queda) and went to the same mosque as 2 9/11 terrorists..this was premeditaded murder and considered a terrorist act..wake up people and realize we are in a world war against extremism..and yes david we were attacked and are being attacked by terrorists this is just one more example!

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 5:30 am
David you have a really hard time dealing with people who just do not agree with you and who call you out.
You and Casey both find ever excuse for this guy.
Yet call American soliders war Criminals.
You call for non-iolence and yet give praise to Sucide Bombers "fighting enemies".
Sucide bombers target areas were CIVILIANS are.Just like in this instance innocent people that had nothing to do with either war were injured and killed.
That is Hypocrisy.
Again there is no such thing as Muslims NOT killing Muslims.Read up on the culture,the religion and it's history.
Both Beautiful and Bloody.

And YES David we are at war with Fundamentalist and Extremist.
Would you then suggest that after 9/11,the shooting at the recruitinment office,this incident,and the numerous others that have been stopped to date are just regular Muslims and that is what Islam is all about?
I think NOT!
If you are for non-violence and peace then be as such.
Venom is not spewwed by me or others that disagree.Just by people that suppress the truths and other viewpoints in order to put Murders on pedastals.

Frank I get what you are saying and quite a few actually that we should not judge entirely on what has happened.
I am a Texan and a minority.He killed many for what true purpose we might not know.
But to have people give this guy a *get out of jail Free* card all the while condemning violence gets freakin nerve racking.
No Matter his excuse there is absolutely NONE!
No reason whats so ever.
The damage that he has caused to the Muslim community alone is devasting.
His message of *Non-Violence* or *End the wars* would have rang loudly and proudly to all across the World tthrough non-violent acts.
By going awahl.
By refusing to go.
By refusing to pick up arms.
By staging a sit down protest of his deployment.
So many things he could have done.
We won't truly the know the entire truths until he speaks.
But one thing is clear he committed the act.
And to uphold a Murder as a symbol of anti-war is dispicable.
And that is what is happening in this thread.

Furthermore David one only has to look at his rank to see that he got special privilge and after commiting varies offense like what he did to other soliders with PTDS and speaking out with Anti-American rhetoric and NEVER being disciplined about it.
I'll get ya links.But you might want to actuall just try listening to the news and interviews with ALL the different colleagues and other soliders that he served with.

Oh yeah to Surana,although i disagree with on just a little of your comment I totally agree with on the PTDS.It is not a condition that is new or only soliders can get.
But I will say that the things he did prior to the Massacre to me anyways.Shows that he was calm and calculated about what he meant to do.And does not bear any symtoms of PTDS.
He was extremly Anti-American and spoke out even when it meant endangering the already fragile minds of returning soliders.But I do get your point:)

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:03 am
David, the Associated Press began running a story over the weekend about soldiers not reporting the comments of Major Hassan because they were concerned about appearing biased. His Palestinian heritage may have prevented people reporting his issues because they did not treat him as an equal. They may have actually treated him better in that they did not want to appear biased. The AP is certainly not a bastion of conservatisim and in reality the soldiers who did not report his comments did him, and the military a disservice. That may be where the additonal training is needed, once all the facts on this case are available, if they are ever available...I'd post a link, but despite very good instructions from a few Care2 friends, I just can't seem to get it...

That said, what he did is not excused by anything the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq or within the military. He had other choices that did not involve the slaughter of innocent and unarmed people. Take a look at the pictures of those that he killed and injured.

I understand the intellectual pursuit, but this action is not one that lovers of peace should defend. I know you don't support what he did, but you might mention that more often.

And Casey, your comments about Freud were spot-on and you seem to have a good theory on what might have been going on in his head based on what is known about him. Personally, I could have done without the section on the US and how wrong you believe the US is for continuing the war, but your comments overall were made in a very insightful way. I'm sure I've made my share of comments that you could have done without. :-) I mainly want to thank you for the last part of your previous comment where you specifically did not condone his actions. I really don't think anyone at Care2 supports what this Major chose to do.

I don't think pulling out of war in these countries that will remain in conflict will bring peace, but I think it may be time to bring most of the troops home. If for no reason other than the history of Afghanistan and the advantages that their terrain offers for the Taliban and Terrorists to hide in. Three Cups of Tea shows that most Afghans are not anti-US, they're just trying to survive. President Obama evidently doesn't agree and is sending over more troops. If we do bring them home, would we all agree that it is perfectly appropriate to respond if we are attacked again? Does a nation have the right to defend itself by following the attackers home?

Both questions are intended rhetorically. The memorial service for those killed by this Major are being held today. I hope that all, regardless of beliefs, are supportive of the family members of those that senselessly lost their lives.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:33 am
From Brasscheck TV:

It seems like in the years leading up
to whatever it was that happened
at Fort Hood on November 5, Maj.
Nidal Malik Hasan was one busy guy.

He made it a point to attend a mosque
run by a notorious, high profile imam
with an overly anti-American philosophy.

He encouraged soldiers to desert.

He was loud and outspoken about his
opposition to the war.

We're not some obscure immigrant
just off the boat working at a gas
station in Bayonne. NJ.

This was a freakin' major in the US army...
in wartime...who was given the job of providing
psychological counseling to troops.

Did the Army have a problem with any this?

No, not at all.

The Army is a liberal institution in the
best sense of that word and encourages
a wide diversity of opinion on its policies.

Live and let live. Every man is
entitled to his own opinion, right?

Any readers ever been in the armed forces?

How long do you think you'd have lasted
if you carried on this way?

For example, can you imagine a Marine
walking around base, spouting Marxism
and quoting Lenin at the height of the
Cold War being given a top security
clearance? Ridicu...

Ooops. I just described Lee Harvey
Oswald.

(Pay no attention to the foot high
stacks of documents the CIA *still*
refuses to release about him.)

But hey, that's all "conspiracy" stuff
and that's for kooks.

The US military has better things to
do while it protects the country than
keep tabs on a very publicly unbalanced
officer who is very publicly against the war.

...On the other hand, if you're a *civilian*
and not some nut in the making and
you're interested in peace, watch out.

The resources for keeping track of you
are boundless.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/353.html

- Brasscheck

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 12:15 pm
Damn straight Brigitte.