Friday September 19, 2008, 12:38 pm
Hey! Again?...Why not?...This is a slightly more hard-hitting, very feminist, text than I would like to have submitted but I just had to put this pic. on public display :)...Thanks Debbie :)..There is a not-so ballsy article on this same site :)...

Palin: The Opposite of Progress
by: Cynthia Boaz, t r u t h o u t | Perspective...(One for the blokes :))

Friday September 19, 2008, 12:54 pm
I'd be more afraid to have Barrack Hussein Obama voted in when he's only got just over 148 DAYS under his belt. Palin is far more experienced!

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:19 pm
Tsk....:::grins:::....You're very welcome, David. Glad to see it's been put to good use.

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:25 pm
Excuse me, but I don't want a woman taking MY rights as a woman away from me. Yep she is more experienced in ruining the environment, voting FOR oil drilling that WILL not help us AT all. I will take advisement from a Brigadier General over someone that gets a thrill outta killing an Elk and knows NOTHING about human (womans rights, the need for education in birth control and to NOT use the bible to dictate what the country should be run by) rights. This is a woman that wants us to live in the past where kids are not told of the birds and the bees, hiding the truth and not telling the truth either. This woman is NOT ready for more then game warden in my opinion.

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:26 pm

Great comment Colette!!! I love dry sarcasm.

Thank you David.

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:28 pm

What???!!! She wasn't being sarcastic?

Well, sorry then.

Thank you David.

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:56 pm
Well, Palin IS more experienced at shooting wolves from airplanes - and creating budget deficits - and intimidating state troopers - and she's probably even better than George Bush at making my skin crawl.

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:05 pm
Too right, Arielle. David, if she's able to worm her way into winning the election, can ya send me a one-way ticket to Oz....? :::laughs...winks::: I do not want ta be here. She scares me....

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:12 pm
go to these links to read about Palin

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

this is her belief on civil rights..
" * Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional. (Aug 2008)
* ADA brings expanded freedom to Americans with disabilities. (Jul 2008)
* Recognize Juneteenth to celebrate the end of slavery. (Jun 2008)
* HIV/AIDS among Alaska Natives is public health crisis. (Mar 2008)
* Recognize Martin Luther King holiday. (Jan 2008)
* Comply with same-sex partner benefits despite disagreement. (Dec 2006)
* Marriage only be between and man and a woman. (Nov 2006)
* Value our cultural diversity. (Nov 2006)
* Prefers term "anti-rural" to "anti-Native". (Nov 2006)
* Special legislative session on same-sex health benefits. (Nov 2006)
* Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006)
* No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006)
* Top priorities include preserving definition of "marriage". (Jul 2006) "
To some not all the above are "bad" things, to me it is all grounds for NOT electing that ticket.

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:14 pm
OOPS...now this statement...." To some not all the above are "bad" things, to me it is all grounds for NOT electing that ticket. " does not of course apply to the Martin Luther King, Value our Cultural diversity...just to clarify!

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:19 pm
Typical politician. Foot firmly entrenched in molars...

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:21 pm
I'll save you Debbie...Experienced at WHAT Colette?...I hate to imagine...The mind boggles!...Crapping on wolves from a great height? (more?)...WHAT is this bird?...Have a lovely weekend...Hopefully your nightmare will be over by the morning...XX

Friday September 19, 2008, 2:28 pm
Truly a sadist. Yes...Sweet dreams....xxxxoooo once again, David...My hero....:::grins:::

Friday September 19, 2008, 3:19 pm
Palin does not know any thing about being a woman. I swear she is a man in sheep's clothing. LOL She is just plain stupid and controlling.Thanks,David

Friday September 19, 2008, 3:43 pm
Perhaps the warning that came out last Fall on health concerns with pieces of lead found in deer carcasses is valid ..Palin has lead poisoning which has caused her to have illusions of grandeur..

Friday September 19, 2008, 5:06 pm
McCain/Palin leadership? will suck America straight back into the DARK AGES that plagued European countries 3 to 6 hundred years ago. History....read about it....learn it....see the repeated cycles.

Friday September 19, 2008, 5:26 pm
hell no not that ass hole can not stand that bitch lets hang her on a tree and pretend she was an animal

Friday September 19, 2008, 5:36 pm
She shoots wolves, denies the Climate Change evidence, wants to drill for oil to polute the world, see no point in Polar Bears, kills and eats mouse (don't we all ) and now you want her as Vice President of the USofA. There must be logic there Scottie but not as we know it...beam me up now.

Friday September 19, 2008, 5:36 pm
Pretend? HSBL :))))

Friday September 19, 2008, 5:43 pm
Hi David...Happy peace day wotareyougoingtodowithyouravinow?...Starship Enterprise has powered out! Now you are stuck...

Friday September 19, 2008, 6:41 pm
Daniella Quayle is the nightmare Vice-President-who has no intention of taking the edges off the Bush era, class war politics.Just who will benefit from her dark reign?Not the majority of US women,not the environment,not the Palestinians,not the majority of US men,not the Iranians,the Iraqi's ,the rationalists,nor decency and fairness.
Why do such a large number of creationists such as Palin,set out to destroy as much of creation as possible?Jesus must be embarrassed about receiving backing from this greedy,ignorant fool.
The best reason for the rapture occuring, is that it might take some of these idiots, away from the world.."support the rapture,and make the world a safer place"..though if there were a heaven and a hell,it seems more likely that Palin's ass is gonna burn forever.
She's gotta be better than Obama Hussein though,because she's not got a name that sounds like Osama,and a name that is nearly the same as Saddam's...(both one time Republican chums of course).If people are so thick as to vote on the basis of a name,then they really are too stupid to live.

Friday September 19, 2008, 7:46 pm
David, I need OZ citizenship now, there are no choices this time around, shoot, ---- last time I thought it was bad lol!!!!!! I had NO idea.....

Happy Friday everyone :o)

Friday September 19, 2008, 8:23 pm
Wait in the 'far que' Pete...I have five (seriously!) totally missdirected (Who, ME?) :) previous applications to process...Send gold only, your dollar has been nuked!...lovya...Have great weekends all...deWinter is is far away! :)...God, how I hate people like me...Currently too tired to think straight (no chaser) Thelonius and I retreat, defeated...:)...

Friday September 19, 2008, 8:42 pm
Thelonius...? :::grins:::....You hate me...? Oh, I feel so dejected...:::winks:::....Got a bit of a brain drain going on, myself...

Friday September 19, 2008, 8:45 pm
Wait...What...?....Application...?....Gold...?

Friday September 19, 2008, 8:56 pm
....misdirected...?

Friday September 19, 2008, 11:31 pm
the penis mightier than the sword Debbie...Insert space to suit! :)))).Evil knows no bounds...Isn't it great that no one other than ourselves can read this?... :)))

Friday September 19, 2008, 11:48 pm
Collette Hussein Perino - I hope you're joking. What? Oh, you were paid by Palin to say that? OK. A little humour doesn't hurt.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 1:41 am
OK!!! The truth is out and comes from the mouth of John McCain. He has shown a woman that says she would be dead if it were up to Obama because her mother tried to abort her (she's30 something) (Don't believe he was in office) The collapse of Wall street AIG etc, McCain said was Obamas fault way back when he voted etc. If you have followed his ads this week and listened to his speeches IT IS ALL OBAMA'S FAULT. Well, at least that tells me Obama has been very busy for many years. McCain wants regulations put on banks, insurance etc BUT he was the one that helped big time to deregulate those very firms that collapsed. He can't have it both ways. I won't even get into his admiration for Palin and how brilliant she is. God help us if people aren't paying attention. I have never seen an election where more blatant lies flow like honey and changed the next day with another lie. Totally amazes me when I hear people say they believe in McCain. Again, I know John. This is NOT the John McCain of the 80's that at least listened and kept his word. This is a man suffering from dementia. Ask any doctor. And she is just an embarrassment to all women that have worked so hard for womens rights and pay raises. She won't help any of us. She WILL help herself climb. John better watch his back with her

Saturday September 20, 2008, 1:49 am
Thanks for the article, David.

The thing is, I don't think it would take McCain's incapacitation as president to ruin the nation. I think he is capable of doing that even if he stays in perfect health just as well as Palin would do if he got too sick to remain president. They are together because they belong together, like peas and neckbones.

Mary

Saturday September 20, 2008, 2:50 am
Here is a short comment from Robert Kennedy Jr, found on Huffington Post :

Governor Palin's Reading List

Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 10:01 am
Ok, let's give her a break! Women are few in Alaska where she grew up. Just too much testosterone for a the little lady, "aaaakkkk", sorry, that felt like a hairball.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 10:13 am
Sarah Palin is awesome!! She has turned the tables in McCain's favor. That was quite a feat, I would say. If the election were to take place today, she WOULD BE the next Vice-President of the United States!! And yes I'll say it, she has more executive experience than Obama, McCain, and Biden combined! Like Collette said he's got like 148 days or so that he actually has showed up to work as a Senator! Palin has over 12 yrs of real executive experience, the kind of experience that counts. McCain, Obama and Biden have never managed anything! I'll take Palin anyday!!

Palin for President!!

Saturday September 20, 2008, 12:28 pm
Palin was mayor of a 5,ooo pop. town.She tried to fire all the people in town from their jobs when they told her she was wrong. She was governor of a state with 3x less people than most cities and tried to have her ex-brother-in-law who was a state trooper as he divorsed her sister but could not so she fired the the chief of the state police. She is been sued and now had to hire lawyers which are being paid by the state of Alaska. She chokes baby wolves to death with her bare hands and has photos taken of her latest kills while they are still alive pumping out blood on the snow. She is killing wild life from airplanes as a sport. If a a moose charged her face to face she would crap in her pants. Her daughter takes after her as an unwed mother. The two oldest kids are drug addicts and drunks. She will add a lot to this country if elected as the whole world will be rolling in the isles and laughing more than they are now with crazy George.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 1:14 pm
Please don't feed the trolls people. We all have our own opinion and if the trolls like living in a back alley abortion day, then fine.
My niece used to work at a home for pregnant teens where their parents were FORCING them to have the babies, either to make them keep or give up for adoption. (Kentucky, go figure and a CHRISTIAN home). The measures some of these girls would take to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy are horrifying stories.
Half the guys that are so pro Sarah are probably sitting back in their chairs fondling themselves to her. "Oh yea, a REAL woman. Barefoot and pregnant and can HUNT". The mentality amazes me of everyone who can be for her. I am for neither Obama or McCain. I have and will vote 3rd party because NOTHING will change until we have a 3rd party. I almost fainted when I saw Ron Paul pushing 3rd party. FINALLY people are waking up to what I've been saying for years now. We have to get off this two party bitchfest.
The lesser of two evils is STILL evil. Both parties promise more of the same bull$h#t. And it has just divided us as a people. As a nation.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 1:47 pm
Hans, even so, she has still managed more than Obama, McCain abd Biden together. And the trooper's boss was fired because he would not fire the brother-in-law for making death threats. It was his job to do it, so he got fired. Are you saying people that don't do their jobs don't deserve to be fired?

Saturday September 20, 2008, 2:31 pm
This is sad but sexism prevented Hillary from winning the primary election and now racism might prevent Obama from winning in November. I hope I am wrong because if McCain/Palin wins will be a tragedy for women, children, animals, and the whole world. For me personally will not affect me much no matter who wins because I am emotionally independent, I no longer live in an emotional prison, but I am concerned about all the innocent being that still live in an emotional prison looking for help and good leadership. The very sad part is that the people that live in an emotional prison will be the ones voting for McCain, because of their emotional blindness they will vote against themselves and the vey innocent like children and animals will be the ones paying the high price for the adult’s emotional blindness. www.sylvieshene.com

How is Emotional Blindness Created?
21 points
1. The newborn child is always innocent.
2. Each child needs among other things: care, protection, security, warmth, skin contact, touching, caressing, and tenderness.
3. These needs are seldom sufficiently fulfilled; in fact, they are often exploited by adults for their own ends (trauma of child abuse).
4. Child abuse has lifelong effects.
5. Society takes the side of the adult and blames the child for what has been done to him or her.
6. The victimization of the child has historically been denied and is still being denied, even today.
7. This denial has made it possible for society to ignore the devastating effects of the victimization of the child for such a long time.
8. The child, when betrayed by society, has no choice but to repress the trauma and to idealize the abuser.
9. Repression leads to neuroses, psychoses, psychosomatic disorders, and delinquency.
10. In neuroses, the child's needs are repressed and/or denied; instead, feelings of guilt are experienced.
11. In psychoses, the mistreatment is transformed into a disguised illusory version (madness).
12. In psychosomatic disorders, the pain of mistreatment is felt but the actual origins are concealed.
13. In delinquency, the confusion, seduction, and mistreatment of childhood are acted out again and again.
14. The therapeutic process can be successful only if it is based on uncovering the truth about the patient's childhood instead of denying that reality.
15. The psychoanalytic theory of "infantile sexuality" actually protects the parent and reinforces society's blindness.
16. Fantasies always serve to conceal or minimize unbearable childhood reality for the sake of the child's survival; therefore, the so-called invented trauma is a less harmful version of the real, repressed one.
17. The fantasies expressed in literature, art, fairy tales, and dreams often unconsciously convey early childhood experiences in a symbolic way.
18. This symbolic testimony is tolerated in our culture thanks to society's chronic ignorance of the truth concerning childhood; if the import of these fantasies were understood, they would be rejected.
19. A past crime cannot be undone by our understanding of the perpetrator's blindness and unfulfilled needs.
20. New crimes, however, can be prevented, if the victims begin to see and be aware of what has been done to them.
21. Therefore, the reports of victims will be able to bring about more awareness, consciousness, and sense of responsibility in society at large.
www.alice-miller.com
© 2008 Alice Miller

The Roots of Violence are NOT Unknown
(The misled brain and the banned emotions.)

The Facts:
1. The development of the human brain is use-dependent. The brain develops its structure in the first four years of life, depending on the experiences the environment offers the child. The brain of a child who has mostly loving experiences will develop differently from the brain of a child who has been treated cruelly.
2. Almost all children on our planet are beaten in the first years of their lives. They learn from the start violence, and this lesson is wired into their developing brains. No child is ever born violent. Violence is NOT genetic, it exists because beaten children use, in their adult lives, the lesson that their brains have learned.

3. As beaten children are not allowed to defend themselves, they must suppress their anger and rage against their parents who have humiliated them, killed their inborn empathy, and insulted their dignity. They will take out this rage later, as adults, on scapegoats, mostly on their own children. Deprived of empathy, some of them will direct their anger against themselves (in eating disorders, drug addiction, depression etc.), or against other adults (in wars, terrorism, delinquency etc.)

Questions and Answers:

Q: Parents beat their children without a second thought, to make them obedient. Nobody, except a very small minority, protests against this dangerous habit. Why is the logical sequence (from being a misled victim to becoming a misleading perpetrator) totally ignored world-wide? Why have even the Popes, responsible for the moral behaviour of many millions of believers, until now never informed them that beating children is a crime?

A: Because almost ALL of us were beaten, and we had to learn very early that these cruel acts were normal, harmless, and even good for us. Nobody ever told us that they were crimes against humanity. The wrong, immoral, and absurd lesson was wired into our developing brains, and this explains the emotional blindness governing our world.


Q: Can we free ourselves from the emotional blindness we developed in childhood?

A: We can - at least to some degree - liberate ourselves from this blindness by daring to feel our repressed emotions, including our fear and forbidden rage against our parents who had often scared us to death for periods of many years, which should have been the most beautiful years of our lives. We can't retrieve those years. But thanks to facing our truth we can transform ourselves from the children who still live in us full of fear and denial into responsible, well informed adults who regained their empathy, so early stolen from them. By becoming feeling persons we can no longer deny that beating children is a criminal act that should be forbidden on the whole planet.



Conclusion:

Caring for the emotional needs of our children means more than giving them a happy childhood. It means to enable the brains of the future adults to function in a healthy, rational way, free from perversion and madness. Being forced to learn in childhood that hitting children is a blessing for them is a most absurd, confusing lesson, one with the most dangerous consequences: This lesson as such, together with being cut off from the true emotions, creates the roots of violence.

Alice Miller wrote this message
www.alice-miller.com

Saturday September 20, 2008, 2:44 pm
The real problem with Sarah Palin is that she will INTEGRATE Religion and Government. She sees through the eyes of GOD to the point of never having to take responsibility for her own actions. With everything she does and everything she says, GOD is on her side. She can do no wrong.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 3:08 pm
Is that question still flying around WHO would you prefere to have a drink with. Well I would choose Palin because ONLY then would her views make sense to me. As a Canadian I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating krackers but that chick is " out there " on womens rights and what her God tells her- WOW.
Change does not come from that pocket dear friends. Obama is your change agent this go around. Remember- you got it wrong the last TWO times because of the way THEY think on that side of the isle.
Only now are the issues being put forward- LISTEN TO THE ISSUE responces.
Why did you people dismiss Ron Paul. He and Obama are the only ones who make sense. I would like to see Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura shake er up.
Americans Rock
Love you all- goodluck.

Saturday September 20, 2008, 4:26 pm
All through the ages of human history mankind has sought immortality and recognition. There was a time when this could only be sought through a contest of arms showing bravery, courage and honour. But then the arms that were used became every more destructive as mankind turned his monumental brain to inventing engines of war…till these weapons could wipe out millions in one go.

What if instead of all that effort going into the science of death mankind had developed down a different path and had instead developed the science of the living. Cancer would have been a thing of the past as would many of the illnesses and conditions that debilitate and limit life today.

Today we have that choice. We can blindly follow the leaders of this world and go on as we have for the last 4,000 years and we will end up with more graves, more fear, more bloodshed, more sorrow, more pain, more bereavement….and still our leaders rhetoric will be unchanged…we fight to preserve the peace.

Today we have another way; a way that makes sense and reduces the fear and pain of the nations. Today we can choose to tell our leaders they are wrong to pursue constant war. For today is the International Day of Peace. Today we should all write to our leaders and tell them they are wrong to pursue fighting and death.

Just close your eyes for one moment and think what we could achieve in this world if all the resources gobbled by war were instead to be put to peaceful ends…the ending of world poverty, the feeding of the nations, the cure for diseases, sight for the blind, new limbs for the disabled, clearing away the minefields and cluster debris….

Did you see it? This brave new world that could be…it starts with one person…it starts with you…it starts now.

Share the light of this wonderful day of Peace my friends. With my love

Saturday September 20, 2008, 4:31 pm
There is something about Sarah ...

Going For The Gut

by digby

I can't honestly say that I'm prescient about much of anything, but
I have said from the day she was nominated that her attitude toward animals was a serious weak point for Palin. It wasn't about regular All American hunting. This was about her not caring if the polar bears drown and supporting aerial wolf hunting, which takes her way into the outer boundaries of the anti-environmental and gun culture. She
is far from being mainstream on a whole host of issues, but this is one that creates a visceral, emotional reaction and shows just how extreme she really is.

It looks like that disturbing wolf hunting ad moves voters:

A new national focus group among 312 self-reported Democrats, Republicans and Independents, revealed that after viewing a new ad by the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund regarding "Palin's Wildlife Record", there was moderate movement among all parties toward Barack Obama.

The study was conducted by HCD Research and the Muhlenberg College Institute of Public Opinion (MCIPO) on September 15, to obtain Americans' perceptions of a new ad which questions Governor Sarah Palin's record in regard to wildlife in Alaska.

"The ad which focuses on Governor Palin's record regarding the treatment of wildlife in Alaska seemed to strike a chord with voters," commented Glenn Kessler, president and CEO, HCD Research. "The recent ads from both parties have had little impact among voters. This is the first ad in over a month that seems to have broken through," he added.

Among the study findings:

The ad earned Barack Obama a Political Communications Impact Score (PCI of 29.4 and John McCain received a score of 5.9, resulting in a net score of 23.5 for Barack Obama. The scores can be compared to a mean score of 9.3 for previously tested Obama ads and 7.5 for previously tested McCain ads. To date, the total mean score for all previously tested ads is 8.3

The most prevalent emotional responses reported from voters were "angry" and "disturbed" after viewing the ad. Click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU

It's one thing to be a frontier gal who hunts moose in Alaska for food. But most
people instinctively get that there's something fundamentally wrong with this:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/going-for-gut-by-digby-i-cant-honestly.html

Saturday September 20, 2008, 5:48 pm
from the September 23, 1999 edition
Targeting cities with 'spiritual mapping,' prayer
Jane Lampman, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
BOSTON—

Can the 'spiritual DNA' of a community be altered?" That's the question posed in a Christian video called "Transformations."

Kenyan pastor Thomas Muthee is convinced that it can be. In 1988, he and his wife, Margaret, were "called by God to Kiambu," a notorious, violence-ridden suburb of Nairobi and a "ministry graveyard" for churches for years. They began six months of fervent prayer and research.

Pondering the message of Eph.6:12 ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world..."), they prayed to identify the source of Kiambu's spiritual oppression, Mr. Muthee says. Their answer: the spirit of witchcraft.

Their research into the community revealed that a woman called "Mama Jane" ran a "divination clinic" frequented by the town's most powerful people.

After months of prayer, Muthee held a crusade that "brought about 200 people to Christ." Their church in the basement of a grocery store was dubbed "The Prayer Cave," as members set up round-the-clock intercession. Mama Jane counterattacked, he says, but eventually "the demonic influence - the 'principality' over Kiambu - was broken," and she left town.

The atmosphere changed dramatically: Bars closed, the crime rate dropped, people began to move to the area, and the economy took an upturn. The church now has 5,000 members, he says, and 400 members meet to pray daily at 6 a.m.

From just such experiences, a global movement of evangelicals has developed over the past decade that seeks to free cities and neighborhoods from social scourges even as it "takes them for God."

Through "spiritual warfare" and an in-depth research effort called "spiritual mapping," they aim to bring people to Christ and, in their words, "break spiritual strongholds" holding communities in their grip, whether they be vices, "false religions," or "territorial spirits."

The more aggressive, potentially confrontational aspects of these practices raise concerns within and beyond the evangelical community.

Spiritual warfare

C. Peter Wagner, head of Global Harvest Ministries in Colorado Springs, Colo., is in the vanguard of the movement. He defines three levels of spiritual warfare: "Ground-level" involves casting demons out of individuals; "occult-level warfare" involves more organized "powers of darkness" [They target here New Age thought, Tibetan Buddhism, Freemasonry, etc.]; and "strategic-level warfare" directly "confronts 'territorial spirits' assigned by Satan to coordinate activities over a geographical area."

Spiritual warfare has been practiced most vigorously in other countries - particularly in Latin America and Africa - where the idea of demons has greater parlance. But its influence is growing in the United States, along with spiritual mapping.

Even as conferences on the subject attract larger numbers, these practices serve as a source of controversy. Among evangelicals, some question how much of a biblical basis there is, and just how far such prayer should go.

"A lot of people in the conservative camp say Scripture is fairly unclear about how aggressive one is to be, particularly in praying directly against demons or territorial spirits," says Jonathan Graf, editor of Pray! magazine. "They say, 'Just pray to God.' But more charismatic believers say, 'Scripture says we have all authority in Christ and can come against principalities and spirits, and we need to do that.' "

Mapping is the research tool - "the discipline of diagnosing the obstacles to revival," and it answers the questions: "What is wrong with my community? Where did the problem come from? What can be done to change things?" says George Otis Jr. Mr. Otis, president of The Sentinel Group, in Seattle, produced the "Transformations" video and has written a handbook on mapping: "Informed Intercession: Transforming Your Community Through Spiritual Mapping and Strategic Prayer."

He has visited cities worldwide and offers pastors a road map, including questions on the spiritual history and dynamics of their cities. They should gather, for example, detailed information on the status of Christianity, prevailing "social bondages," historical events that caused trauma, predominant philosophies and religions, and human groups and demonic powers that pose spiritual opposition.

Otis points to vivid examples in the Americas:

*In Hemet, Calif., a new pastor began noting on a map sites where what he believed to be negative spiritual influences were located: controversial religious centers, cults, youth gangs, and the West Coast's largest methamphetamine manufacturing facilities.

After years of research and targeted prayer, participants say, drug production has been dramatically reduced and corrupt police have been fired, gang members have converted, the "power of a demonic strongman" was broken, cults left town or were burned out, and Christians are in key leadership positions.

*In Cali, Colombia, home of the infamous drug cartel, pastors carried out a spiritual mapping campaign "gathering intelligence on political, social, and spiritual strongholds" in each of the city's 22 administrative zones. They began holding all-night prayer vigils involving thousands in the soccer stadium.

When vigils were followed by periods without homicides and the arrests of major cartel leaders, "a new openness to the Gospel was felt at all levels of society," and churches began to see "explosive growth."

Larry Showalter, pastor of Ruggles Baptist Church in Boston, is now exploring mapping and spiritual warfare and says the ministers' group he prays with weekly considers the spiritual dynamics of the city, though they haven't yet done systematic research. What they've recognized, he says, includes a "rampant spirit of unbelief," which tends to be fostered in the area's universities.

"We would pray against that spirit, in the opposite way, for faith to rise up and to dominate," he says. They also consider the social and religious history of the city. He hopes to revitalize The Boston Prayer Foundation, a city-wide ministers group, which could pursue mapping and spiritual warfare more vigorously.

Cause of controversy

While all evangelicals believe in the existence of demons, a great many are uncomfortable with the emphasis placed on them in spiritual warfare and mapping. "When you move into the area of why things occur in a city, some will say it's just social or economic or cultural trends," says Derrick Trimble, of the World Prayer Center. "Others will say that it has to do with demonic influences over an area."

"The church is coming to a level of spiritual understanding in the area of warfare that is more mature than ... in perhaps several centuries," insists Glenn Sheppard, of International Prayer Ministries, Conyers, Ga.

Yet Phyllis Tickle, contributing editor at Publishers Weekly, who is familiar with the world of Christian publishing, says, "Within the evangelical Christian community, there is a good deal of looking askance when somebody says 'spiritual warfare,' though there is much lip service to it. There certainly is a hard core who ... think that way, but the bulk do not."

Russell Spittler, provost at Fuller Theological Seminary, in Pasadena, Calif., suggests that the practices flourish most among Pentecostals. "Pentecostals approach Scripture literally, so they see the world populated with demons. It is not a far step to start naming them, assigning them territories, devising prayer strategies. For Pentecostals, 'spiritual warfare' is not a metaphor - it's reality."

Outside the evangelical community, the discomfort rises quickly when prayer targets other religious groups with the apparent aim of eliminating their influence and converting members. Otis has written in Pray!, "We are not asking God to 'make' people Christians.... Such requests violate human free will.... What we are appealing for is a level playing field, a temporary lifting of the spiritual blindness that prevents [people] from processing truth...."

Yet just two weeks ago, the Anti-Defamation League was outraged at the Southern Baptist Convention's promotion of a prayer guide urging members to pray for the conversion of Jews worldwide during the High Holy Days (see page 12).

"We are deeply offended," says Abraham Foxman, ADL national director, "that it's done on the eve of the most holy period on the Jewish calendar - and then to track and identify Jews by name! That means you target somebody by research."

The impulse to convert is natural to people of faith, says Martin Marty, of the Public Religion Project. "The offense comes in what looks like the breaking of the rules of the game when you begin to target.... It's when you name a proper name of someone devoted to God in a different way or even, you might say, to a different god, that people get their backs up. In a sense, you're saying, 'We're not really at home with American pluralism' - that sense that if we don't want holy wars, we do well to be respectful of each other."

(c) Copyright 1999. The Christian Science Publishing Society

Saturday September 20, 2008, 6:23 pm
the penis mightier than the sword Debbie...Insert space to suit! :)))).Evil knows no bounds...Isn't it great that no one other than ourselves can read this?... :)))

:::laughs::: You are wicked, David....

Saturday September 20, 2008, 6:23 pm
Blue, you are so concerned about the moose, the wolves and the polar bears and say this should determine who to vote for, well what about this video about your candidate? How does this speak about his character?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdWN5WllGc

Saturday September 20, 2008, 6:41 pm
I am sorry to say that Collette and Lee B. are either lacking knowledge of history or the ability to analyze and see beneath the rhetoric. Experience of the wrong kind has to be shunned. Palin and McCain are the wrong kind of experience. He voted 90% of the time for Bush's policies and she managed according to her own and her contributors beliefs rather than the manority of the Alaskan people. The rally by at least 1500 anti-Palin Alaskans did not see the daylight of the media. The media did report on the

Saturday September 20, 2008, 9:45 pm
Palin is just media's shiny new toy. She is nothing more than a puppet for McCain and repub party. Her light is starting to fade. There is so many things wrong with that women until it just not funny.
McCain is the one all the attention should be on. He chose that horrible woman after all. Even the media have dumbed down their coverage of her. They were tough on Clinton OH but they are not allowed to on Palin. That would be sexist. Pshhhh!

Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:34 am
How did this woman ever get elected Governor? She is the most vicious, mean spirited politician I have ever seen. Yes, I would hate her if she were a Democrat. She is PRO LIFE only for the human species. She is a disaster for wildlife, environment, women's rights, polar bears, wolves. She lied about going to Iraq and Ireland. She won't cooperate with troopergate investigation...will pay bounty for wolf legs. M y God. Republicans wake up. You've been Roved and I hope it doesn't work this time. If it does, I wilol take any chioldren who want to go and as many polar bears and flee.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:21 am
Jeramie D. Obama is the worst candidate to be running president of this country. His wife Michelle is the ugliest woman I 've ever seen, she looks like a chimp. For your little brain if you don't know it Sarah Palin is the best governor Alaska ever had. Gov. Sarah Palin is the most educated woman compared to Obama and Michelle put together. Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama is a FULL BLOODIED MUSLIM who will never win this election. Comapared to Sen. McCain, Obama is garbage.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:20 am

Just a quick comment to Cary V. We did not get it wrong!!! We, the people,
did not elect Bush and Cheney in either election. They did not win the
popular vote either time. They took office, and kept office, through selection,
election manipulation and voter disenfranchisement.

And Bong Z.....I guess I don't know it. (And who the hell cares what religion
anyone is as long as it isn't crammed down your throat?) Love your ignorant
view and asinine comment. Drop in and make a fool of yourself again.

Thanks David.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:54 am
Bong Z, so what exactly is it that you put in that bond?

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:55 am
Correction: Bong Z, so what exactly is it that you put in that bong?

Sunday September 21, 2008, 1:38 pm
Hey Bong, Obama didn't vote for born babies to be killed. He voted against language that could ultimately make legal abortions illegal again. Although I couldn't go through with an abortion myself even though both my pregnancies were unplanned (but I wasn't raped, I loved the father, I fell in love with my children as soon as I knew they existed), I do believe abortion should be an option for the women that need them. I'm not sure why a woman would wait til the 3rd trimester to do it, and I don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control. But, again, I believe it should be available for those who need it.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 6:59 pm
Bong Z you are bursting at the seems with stupidity and ignorance. Having been a resident of ALASKA for 25 years I can tell YOU that Sarah Palin is the WORST Governor Alaska has ever had. The VERY BEST Governor of Alaska was JAY HAMMOND, do you know who he is??? What about Wally Hickle how does he measure up to Sarah Palin?? And Tony Knowles, is Sarah a better Governor that him??? Sarah is right up there with the Murkowski's, Frank and his daughter Lisa, as being the most useless Alaskan Governors of all time. To me, what makes a person really ugly is a BEER BELLY....we all were born Beautiful...what makes someone REALLY UGLY is how they misuse their own gift of life and the lives of others.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:10 pm
Ash, you sound like your elitist hero, if you don't agree with me you're dumb and stupid. It doesn't take a dummy to know that palin has more governing experience than all three of the others combined.

Marjorie, 80% of your fellow Alaskans disagree with you.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:23 pm
More Questions About Sarah Palin

True or false? While Sarah Palin was getting all that executive experience running Alaska, and, of course, overseeing its National Guard, she appointed five of her friends from high school to play government with her.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:27 pm
My God, this country is in trouble....That's all I can say. The madness...The ignorance....The greed...Corruption....Shallow vindictiveness and voyeurism....What have we become....? Right....I'm done. Have your fun.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:45 pm
Blue, you can discount her experience all you want, she still has more of it than all three of the others combined.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:53 pm

Lee, trolling again?

Thanks again David.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:57 pm
Lee, do us all a favor and detail ALL $arah's "experience" for us, right here ... c'mon list it ALL ... right now, right here.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:59 pm
Palin Suddenly Off-Limits For Alaskans; "Not Beloved"

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:03 pm
The VP Choice that lost the Presidency for John McCain -- The Sequel

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:04 pm

Palin's Pipeline To Nowhere

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:05 pm

Troopergate: Palin's Claim Of "Insubordination" Wasn't True

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPROGyJ2FNA :)...

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:22 pm
That link isn't working fo rme, David.

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:35 pm
Just cut and paste. Minus the :)... It's not alive...Oh, one day I will learn :)...Off to the shop while my money is still worth something...Have fun all!...Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:42 pm
Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996 and became a two-term mayor and manager of Wasilla, one of Alaska's fastest-growing communities. She was in office from 1996 to 2002. Governor Frank Murkowski appointed Palin as Ethics Commissioner on the state's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission where she served from 2003 to 2004. In 2006, Palin won the Republican primary for Governor, defeating then-Gov. Frank Murkowski. She went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles.

Not counting her time on the City Council, that's 12yrs of real governing experience. Lets finish out the tally: Obama 0, McCain 0, Biden 0.

Monday September 22, 2008, 12:33 am
Lee, why do you think KKKalr Rove said Kane wasn't qualified after bieng Governor for 3 years and yet, you're telling us that Palin is ... LOL!

Different strokes for different folks.

Even RepubliCON$ are $aying Palin i$ not qualified to serve as VP.

I wouldn't trust her as far as she could spit or shoot.

Monday September 22, 2008, 5:38 am
If Palin were a man, she would have NOT been chosen because of her very few qualifications. If McCain wanted a woman on his ticket there are other republican women who are FAR MORE QUALIFIED than Palin, Like Kay Bailey Hutchison, so shut up LEE. Palin has not accomplished anything of real significance while office in Alaska.

She was chosen for purely sexists and superficial reasons. She has NO foreign policy experience. NONE!!!! Which is one of the most important issues of our time right now with the Iraq war and troubles with Russia, and Iran issues and N. Korea etc etc etc.

Monday September 22, 2008, 5:50 am
why the heck is McCain protecting Palin from the media so much? It is because she has not had enough experience under her belt to be able to handle media questioning and just get it out of the way.

Why has her husband refused to comply with subpoena? It looks like they already think they are above the law and doing everything to subvert it. It makes them look guilty. She said they would comply with investigation but then they do not. She is already just like the Bush admin in thinking they are above all the rules!

Palin is A JOKE!!! Nothing but a joke!!!!!

Monday September 22, 2008, 7:23 am
Blue, still, as far as real governing experience she has more than all three of the others put together. Who care what Karl Rove says. He has never been elected to anything.

Jodi, Sorry Kay Bailey doesn't have it. She would not have been able to do what Palin has. Either McCain is pretty smart or he has someone very smart advising him. She has somehow done what no other VP pick could have. And as far as not accomplishing anything in her short time as Governer is a matter of opinion. What has Obama accomplished? The neighborhood that he is so proud of organizing has one of the highest cirme rates in the country!! And you say she has no foreign policy experience, how much does Obama have? Oh, he toured Europe like he was America's crowned Prince. Does that qualify him? And he is running for the highest office in the land!! And are you saying Obama hasn't avoided the media? lol Why wouldn't he sit down with O' Riley until after he was nominated? As far as Troopergate, are you saying that Democrats have ALWAYS co-operated with subpoenas and investigations? Come on! You act like only Republicans do these things. All the criticisms you have can be applied to your own party as well. When it's all said and done she still has more experience than all the others combined.

She could very well be the best thing that ever happened to this country!

PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

Monday September 22, 2008, 9:43 am
I always love it when people cite percentages...such as 80% of Alaskans disagree with me, Marjorie...Lee. Tell me how did you come up with that percentage? What is your source? Anyone can throw numbers around. Of course PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who else could deliver this country on a silver platter to the New World Order in record time. She is ruthless and DIVINE....God is always on her side no matter what she does.

Monday September 22, 2008, 11:43 am
I have watched Sarah Palin's political experience, up close and personal. She is charismatic and captivating; but her politics are ruthless, down and dirty. She creates silence with fear and retaliation. She will even turn on her long time supporters with malice,if it pleases her. So, Lee, you can cite all 12 years of her political experience, but have you taken a close look at how many careers she has destroyed with her own political ambitions? She is fearful of intelligent, educated people so she gets rid of them. How about Sarah Palin for Dictator of the United States of America. Vote for Sarah Palin and John McCain if you do not want any reforms to take place in this country. Why would an intelligent, politically transparent, educated person like Sarah Palin want to be a running mate with John McCain?

Monday September 22, 2008, 1:47 pm
Lee..Oh Yeah Bailey wasn't shiny and pretty enough. McCain does love pageant beauty queens. Europe stood up and took notice of Obama. They are waiting for America to stand up and be what it use to be to the world. Obama is a person with genuine sensitivity of world affairs. That is far cry form Palin.
Something that McCain would never bring either. Or that crazy woman palin. All they care about is war and oil. Oh and for Palin bringing in the rapture bull crap.

O'Riely? He did do an O'Riely interview, nothing is good enough for you. He has not avoided media. As if McCain is not some kind of "crowned prince" he does more smoozing with celebrities than almost any politician. He is the real elitist. If you think Obama is then you don't know what the word means. McCain likes to party with on boat with lobbyists and celebrities and con men. He is far more famous than even Obama.

Palin for president? that is the dumbest thing I ever saw. She isn't the one running for president. Oh I guess you are hoping for McCain to die so she can take over if they win. How very Christian of you.
I have no respect for you. Especially after that other debate on the last article with you that really showed how hypocritical you are, and how you like to yell about how so called liberals don't compromise or listen, when it is actually you who don't compromise or listen. It's people like you that are the ruin of America with all the religious non-sense. Trying to put your religious morals into office just to force it onto every one else, and take away as many rights as possible especially for women. Palin is like a "Judas horse" leading many into a trap. That is really the only reason you support Palin because of her religious extremism.
Oh well then, I can cite the same as you....it is a matter of opinion that Obama never accomplished anything. He is willing to listen, to work bipartisan, he is intelligent and knows far more about world views than Palin even cared to know, even when it came to Iraq. Pretty darn pathetic.

Monday September 22, 2008, 3:15 pm
OK!!!!...My ears (eyes?) are drumming...Many thanks to Blue, Marian, Marjorie, Jodie et al...The comments of Lee (and Bong) are possibly? those of very lonely people who do not really have a life and therefore deserve a little empathy/sympathy?...

They thrive on feedback, being in some sad way 'conversation'...I have not intervened in a big way but time to do so?...I would not, ever, 'flag as inappropriate' any voice, no matter how intrusive, in case it is simply someone crying out for help...Am I not a truly nice guy?...Yep!...

Piss off 'Peter', Piss off 'Paul', PISS OFF LEE, BONG AND ALL!...(and those who choose to unfortunately accompany you in your cloud)...

Wrong again?...In that case is it not simpler to allow comments by the terrible twins to pass but pretend that they do not exist?...

This was originally a thread, thrown to the lions by someone, totally apolitical with no-vote in the US...(The outcome of the forthcoming election WILL impact on the entire planet)... Incredulously amazed at the American phsyce re: Where are we now?...Obviously not resolved :)...Should this blot stump the thread...So be it!...But do go on...It is heartening to note that all is not lost...To those I thank!...

Monday September 22, 2008, 3:39 pm
David...I agree, I also will NOT flag any one even if I do not like their opinions, they do have the right to their opinions. I think debate is good. Even if I do get mad. I have been in other discussions where posts have disappeared and that made me even more angry because the whole thread made no sense after the posts were gone. People have a right to voice their opinions.

Monday September 22, 2008, 6:23 pm
re: experience:
"Graduate from Harvard law School and be President of the Law Review, and you are unstable.* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate e representing a state of 13 million people while
sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.*"

Monday September 22, 2008, 7:37 pm
Thank You for factual information Carolyn B. Clarification of issues is always important when the stakes are as high as the Presidency of the United States of America.

Monday September 22, 2008, 9:45 pm
Marjorie, She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. I don't know how they come up with that figure. Is that not correct? I will stand corrected if I am wrong. And maybe the people she got rid of were bad, corrupt people. I hear the Republican party up there is pretty corrupt and has even been likened to organized crime. She took a lot of heat for blowing the whistle on back-room, closed-door business dealings. She exposd them and even filed a lawsuit against them but they weren't convicted. So the fact that she will stand up to people even if it means losing her high-paying government job and wreck her career makes her more of the kind of leader we need in Washington! There is a lot of corruption there that needs cleaned up too.

Jodi, No it's not Kay Bailey's looks its that she is RINO. She is too moderate to appeal to the conservative base. But I understand why you don't like Palin. She is a threat to you and you are scared to death that she will become our next Vice-President and possibly President. And that's good! Like I said, she is what we needed. McCain has really pulled this one out! Before she came on the sceen it seemed as though this election was a shoo-in for Barak Obama. My how things have changed! I understand the viseral hatred. I see when people are talking about her that they just snarl up their nose, and squint their eyes. It is very clear that they hate the woman. I couldn't be happier!!

And yes, Obama did sit down with O'Riley but ONLY after he got the nomination. He asked him for an interview in Iowa at the beginning of the primaries. Why did it take him 7 months to sit down with him? And you guys are griping about Sarah Palin for not having more interviews and she has only been the VP pick for less tha a month. Come on! Besides, shouldn't the attention be focused on the Presidential candidates? They are, after all, the one's who are going to be running the country. But the fact that you all are so interested in Sarah Palin again shows how much of a threat she is to you.

I say Palin for President because she is the most qualified person on either ticket. No, I am not hoping for McCain to kick the bucket when they win, but I wouldn't mind if he did. She is perfectly capable of taking over and she would be a fine Commander-in-Chief!!

Palin For President!!!

Tuesday September 23, 2008, 3:28 pm
Lee... you like that American people are threatened by the very people who are suppose to be leaders of our nation?? You are pretty screwed up in view. That is not democracy, it nor her have anything to do with what a real leader is all about.

Oh and I'm not threatened by the way, I'm angry. Angry that people are so ignorant to support people like Palin who will work to do nothing but remove hard won, fiercely fought for civil rights.

Who cares why it took Obama 7 months to sit down with O'riely. The man is busy for god sakes. Why should he have sat down with O'Riely before then? You know what a lot of media people and reporters fight very hard to get exclusive interviews from politicians. It is nothing unusual. What is unusual is when politicians like Palin try to completely ban media from asking question or are banned from events because she does not have enough answers crammed into her head yet to spew about.

and you are delusional to think she has enough experience to handle presidency.

Tuesday September 23, 2008, 7:41 pm
David Buchan, I Commend You. You chose a highly appropiate picture for this article and comment thread of, "SCREAM" with "Palin...President" added. The more comments I read here, the more well chosen that picture becomes, to me. Sarah Palin met with Henry Kissinger today. I now know that McCain had nothing to do with the choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate, Vice President. The Nation was wondering about his choice because he had so little previous contact with her and she is relatively unknown ouside of Alaska. McCain could NOT have known to choose her. Lee B. you said it, "Palin For President!!!" and now, I know that what you said is correct. She has been chosen by a higher power than MCain and GOD has nothing to do with it. Our country is out of the hands of the American People.

Wednesday September 24, 2008, 7:09 pm
Lee...
On your page, you claim to care about animals. I honestly don't understand
how you can support the slaughter of animals for fun and games, not to mention the wolves. If this is how you truly feel, perhaps you should make changes to your profile as it is misleading. You are no animal lover.

Wednesday September 24, 2008, 9:08 pm
Jodi, don't be so dramatic, I didn't mean that she is a direct, personal threat to you, but to your ideology. This is nothin new. It happens every 4 yrs. On wins and the other loses.

So if a person supports Sarah Palin they are ignorant? What makes me ignorant? Because I don't agree with you? Because you are so much smarter than me? Because you are more educated than me? Well, I think you are ignorant because you know NOTHING about be to make such claims.

Who cares why it took Obama 7 month to have an intervew with O'Riley? Oh, but he has an excuse. He's too busy. Then, who cares if Sarah Palin doesn't bow to your demands? She's busy too!

No, I am not delusional. Running a country is not much different than running a city or a state. It's just on a much larger scale. Obama can't even organize a community, let alone a city, a state or a country! What experience does he have to run the country?

Sherri, I don't support the slaughter of animals for fun and games, if you really want to know. And neither does Sarah Palin. Personally, I am against sport hunting. But I do not impede on the rights of others to hunt. I do not like the killing of animals for any reason. However, I understand that sometimes it is necessary. And we have discussed the wolf issue already. It is not hunting and it is not killing for pleasure. So no, I will not be changing my profile. To me, there is no contradiction. If you don't like it, you don't have to visit my profile.

Wednesday September 24, 2008, 10:12 pm
Interviews?...McCain exited quietly/foolishly?

Thursday September 25, 2008, 12:19 am
Lee..
Palin hunts for fun and games. What is wrong with you? Take a look at the pictures of her. She's a trophy hunter. She kills for kicks.
And you are right. Popping off wolves with a high powered rifle from a plane is not hunting or sport. It's out and out slaughter! And you should change your profile as you are an insult to every animal lover out there. As for your profile...I won't be visiting again. You just creep me out too much!

Thursday September 25, 2008, 8:01 am
Lee...yes, I do think people who support candidates that want to remove other people's civil liberties and rights is acting from some form of ignorance. People who would prefer religion to be more important than real issues is ignorant. And it is not my ideology. It is an ideology of many American people who want their rights kept in tact. So the threat would be to those people as well.

I have not said I was more educated or smarter than you, in fact I think you are quit smart. Having said that, even though I consider myself to be spiritual as well, I do not put my spiritual beliefs above the beliefs of every one else. I do believe it is selfish to want candidates to legislate their religious morals for every one else to follow.

Palin wants to ban women's rights to reproductive health care options including birth control, and hasn't supported equal pay, or sex education and wants creationism in schools is wrong. Her views on the environment and animals is horrid. She has no idea how to deal with media questions much less real life questions she would have to handle from the white house. She is bad for America.

Even though Obama is busy he still has plenty of time for the media press calls and he did do that stupid interview with O'Riley. Palin isn't to busy, she is avoiding. McCain campaign is being very careful with what they allow her to say.

Palin's support has fallen quit a bit. I think only the most conservative base is supporting her. I think most Americans are more moderate. Voter registration is up for democrats and is flat for republicans as said by former president Clinton. McCain calling for the debates to be canceled was a mistake on his part. Anyways, there is still a battle to go, of course, but I think Obama has good chance of winning.

Anyways, enough is enough.

Friday September 26, 2008, 7:59 pm
NO ONE should give O'Riley even one nano- second of their time, he is a ruthless lier and twister of whatever anyone has to say if he disagrees. FOX TV is an abomination. Same for Rush Limbaugh!! I don't own a TV anymore I killed it...so I guess I am a killer too...when it comes to TV. The crap that is broadcasted into peoples living space 24/7 is all propaganda. All the major newspapers and TV stations were bought out by bankers over 25---that's twenty-five years ago, specifically so the citizens of the United States of America could be fed mental crap and be brainwashed as necessary. For you Lee, and anyone else interested in Sarah Palin see: http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/03/about-sarah-palin/ Everything that Anne Kilkenny says is the truth. I lived there, I witnessed, and I know how things went down when Sarah became mayor and more. Sarah's vision is through the eyes of her Christian upbringing....Church and State will never be separated. Gunning down wolves is the most ugly, brutal thing. There is no reason for it other than to increase moose and caribou hunting for people. We share this Beautiful Earth with Animals....the Earth does not belong exclusively to people. Running down animals and gunning down animals shows how disengaged people are to the Natural Earth that we all share. Personally I like to see alive animals instead of DEAD animals. Earth and Nature will have the final word. Lee, I also want you to know that when I tried to verify the 80% of Alaskans that support Sarah Palin....I couldn't do it because all I would get was "UNAUTHORIZED" page. McCain's people have put a blackout on information concerning his running mate. But, Lee I know how elections go in Alaska and elections can be won or lost on 2-4 votes. I know that seem unbelievable but I have seen that happen and not just once either. Most Alaskan voters are apathetic!!! If everything is going along OK, why bother voting. When an issue comes up that is important to people, they vote. Sarah won her Mayoral race because things were running smoothly by John Stein, the mayor who had been instrumental in incorporating that 4-corners into a town, and he had hired the best and brightest of people to take care of making Wasilla into a great little town. Sarah Palin fired all of them, well except for the Librarian. The first person she fired immediately, was John Cooper who ran the museum with 3 elderly ladies who had lived in the area since they were young. Between the three of them they had a wealth of information they shared with tourists during the busy summer months. Those 3 ladies were told to choose one to go because there would only be 2 staff positions...wasn't that nice of Sarah Palin to let them choose....they all resigned. John is a highly intelligent man, well educated in his field, a hard worker and at the time of her election, he had 3 grants that he was working on to bring more money into the Wasilla museum...that went by the wayside when he was fired. Lee, I just wanted to give you an example of Sarah Palin's political style. And if you will read Anne Kilkenny you will know much more. And Lee, if running a country is not much different than running a town or state, Wasilla had NO DEBT until Sarah was elected. The small town of Wasilla now has over 22 MILLION in debt...big debt for a small town of about 7000 wouldn't you agree...does it sound familiar...as in this country was in pretty good financial shape until Bush was elected...now what...I don't think PRAYER is going to help us out of this one. One more thing Lee, where I can see your point, Sarah Palin is a "BABE" and Bill Clinton will tell you why!

Friday September 26, 2008, 8:52 pm
Thank you Marjorie!!

You cannot currently send a star to Marjorie because you have done so within the last week.

Monday September 29, 2008, 4:47 pm
Since I have openly admitted to being a Television Assassin on this thread, I invite my friends and members of care2 to view My Video on My Page. It will become perfectly clear why I have chosen to be so ruthless regarding the intrusion that Television brings into our homes. The video has many depths of meaning. Enjoy!

Tuesday September 30, 2008, 9:58 am
I have decided to discontinue this discussion. I know who I am voting for. And you know who you are voting for. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours. I actually had a response almost all typed out a few days ago, but I hit one of side buttons on my mouse and I lost it. I was goig to re-type the whole thing, but then I said, "What's the use?" Plus I don't have the time. I have life that needs attending to, something one person accused me of not having. I don't think anyone is persuaded on these comment boards, and if they are then they are pretty weak. I may still make a comment or two where I think it is appropiate to do so. But I don't have time for a running debate. So, let the chips fall where they may. May the best person win.

But one last thing I will leave you. Here is one more reason to vote for John McCain, and it has nothing to do with Sarah Palin. I'd like to hear your comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY