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Human Rights Group Urges Ottawa to Investigate Cheney Over Torture

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: human rights violations, Cheney, cover-up, terrorism, Bush Administration )

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A major human rights group Saturday urged the [Canadian] federal government to bring criminal charges against former U.S. vice-president Dick Cheney for his alleged role in the torture of Canadian detainees --- Maher Arar and Omar Khadr.

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Sue Matheson (79)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 12:02 pm
Wouldn't it be great if this happened?

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 12:14 pm
As a Canadian, and as a human being, I hope that the Canadian authorities follow through with an investigation. According to the article, Human Rights Watch says overwhelming evidence of torture by the Bush administration, including at least two cases involving Canadian citizens, obligates Canada to investigate Cheney to comply with the Convention Against Torture.
Human Rights Watch, please don't let Prime Minister Harper weazel out of this.


Stewart L (583)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 12:55 pm
ICheney is a war criminal by very definition of one violating Geneva convention rules.

Ellen m (215)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 1:28 pm
Maybe we could keep Guantanimo open JUST for him and his buddies?
We could let the soldiers from Abu Grahbe (sorry on the spelling!) be the ones in charge!
Thanks Lynn

Myron S (70)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 1:48 pm
Don't know, Ellen. Photos of Chaney leashed and naked might be more than my aging heart could stand.

Kamila A (141)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 7:21 pm
This man is pathetic, trading his soul for, suffering, pain, death, war, power....? How absolutely pitiful he is. I know that we all despise him, but, the outlook for the near future hereafter for him looks worse than any waterboarding torture on earth ever could, with no escape. Pitiful little foolish man.

H Nick H (1826)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 9:18 pm
I truly hope they do, and other countries too. I know Obama won't for the sake of the nation, but they really need to be brought to trial for their treason here and everywhere. It's long over due.

TomCat S (129)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 9:27 pm
Go Ottawa!

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 12:28 am
It is a start, but how about Bush & the whole lot of them! They should all be behind bars for the lies, deceit & everything they have done for greed & in the process killed so many innocent lives. Torture is just a small portion of all that needs to be investigated. Thanks Lynn.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 12:46 am
Thanks everyone. Ellen, good idea (reuse, recycle, reduce) and Myron I can get you nitro for your heart at a reduced price so you still enjoy. You know Nick, I think that Obama going after these parasites could actually be healing for the entire nation, except the ultra right Republicans and Tea Baggers of course. Nothing would suit them but getting their own way. You know, if we did get Cheney, he might roll over on the others to save his own sorry asset. At least he doesn't have to worry about the death penalty here.

Bella Fitzpatrick (280)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 7:37 am
Thank you for sharing :-)

William K (308)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 11:57 am
I just hope that justice is handed to him before he shrivels up and crumbles to dust.

Sarah G (109)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 2:28 pm
I hope this happens. It is unfortunate that justice is often so selectively applied, and that some people seem to be above the laws.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 2:41 pm
Here's a question:

What constitutes torture? In Iraq, apparently the militias (and, I think, some Iraqi forces) applied power-drills to genitals. I don't think waterboarding, which has no permanent effects, is really on-scale with what torturers generally do these days.

I just looked up the U.N. Convention on Torture's definition on Wiki, and that doesn't seem to fit either. That requires that the torture be to intimidate, punish, or coerce a confession. The U.S. attempted to coerce information relevant to conflicts. Note that, despite claims to the contrary, if properly managed torture can yield useful information, or at least corroboration or falsification of it, so the claims that it was just for punishment are built on false foundations. (To manage it properly, begin with questions to which you know the answers, and to which the victim does not know that you know the answers, and punish for lies. Then mix in more real questions slowly enough that the victim does not know which are real and which are tests for lies. He will tell you what you want to hear after being convinced that you really want the truth.)

We could also look into the Geneva Conventions, but the organizations from which prisoners were taken have established a pattern of ignoring those entirely. As long as that pattern lasts, Article 2, Paragraph 3 then implies that a reprisal of ignoring the same pattern, constrained to only be used when demonstrably militarily advantageous, is in order.

P A (117)
Saturday October 1, 2011, 3:41 am
Wonderful idea - but as always the rich and powerful have rich and powerful lobbies and rich and powerful lawyers ....
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