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Black Woman Gets 20 Years; White Man Gets 0 Years


Society & Culture  (tags: usa, Florida, crime, culture, law, police, rights, Justice )

Lynn
- 495 days ago - alternet.org
A man in Florida shoots a man he finds having sex with his wife, killing him. A woman in Florida shoots the wall to scare off an abusive husband, harming nobody. Guess which one was acquitted? Guess which one was convicted?



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Lynn Squance (232)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 2:25 pm
Normally, I don't post a story like this one, as it appears on the surface. But these two people are examples of a justice system that is racially charged and very unequal. That is way, especially as the trial of George Zimmerman approaches, I think it is necessary to look at these two cases.

From the "TAMPA BAY TIMES" :

"Florida's "stand your ground'' law has allowed drug dealers to avoid murder charges and gang members to walk free. It has stymied prosecutors and confused judges. • It has also served its intended purpose, exonerating dozens of people who were deemed to be legitimately acting in self-defense. Among them: a woman who was choked and beaten by an irate tenant and a man who was threatened in his driveway by a felon.

Seven years since it was passed, Florida's "stand your ground" law is being invoked with unexpected frequency, in ways no one imagined, to free killers and violent attackers whose self-defense claims seem questionable at best."

How can a well educated black women married to an abusive husband get 20 years in prison for shooting at the wall, when a white man does no time in prison for killing his wife's lover? Please tell my in believable terms that this is not racism at its worst!

The trial of George Zimmerman is beginning --- a "white" male shoots a black unarmed teenager and calls it self defense. I don't know if Nate Silver is taking odds on the outcome of Zimmerman's trial, but given he is "white", male, and the trial is in Florida, my guess is that he will get off.

Two white males kill and get nothing (assuming Zimmerman is acquitted) and a black woman who did NOT kill anyone but gets 20 years.

Something is wrong in Florida! This is not justice. This is INJUSTICE!
 

Darren Woolsey (80)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 4:15 pm
Barking mad!
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 4:22 pm
Jeez o Pete...
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (276)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 4:27 pm
OUTRAGEOUS
 

Candy B. (23)
Tuesday June 11, 2013, 10:56 pm
What is wrong with people? but of coarse it's Florida. & I have to say if George Zimmerman, goes free, I KNOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE RIOTS! We are going back to before women & blacks could vote & we are nothing more than property!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (388)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 2:49 am
Outrageous and very angering!
 

Alfiya T. (69)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 3:55 am
Outrageous! Noted and shared, thank you
 

James Maynard (68)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 5:52 am
This is, indeed, a sample of a system gone mad.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 6:50 am
I sincerely hope she's been in contact with ACLU.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 9:15 am
florida has gone bat sh*t crazy....i never liked the place anyway,hell on earth
ty Lynn, what a travestyO'Justice
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 12:19 pm
"” Ultimately nobody was hurt. Nobody died. On May 12, 2012, it took a jury 12 minutes to find Alexander guilty of aggravated assault. She was sentenced to 20 years in prison."

Okay it IS Florida. I'd be interested to know the composition of that jury, what sort of counsel she had, and to know when the verdict is overturned by an appellate court. Of course it is racism. 12 minutes? What on earth else could it be given the testimony? We are as sick a society as those we rage against around the world when this kind of disparity, this kind of miscarriage of justice can be not only condoned but routine as well. Just when you think you've heard everything, you click a link and find you aren't even close to having heard everything, and even worse, everything is still going on.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 3:08 pm
Extremism and racism are ever prevalent in this society. Agree with James and everyone else!
 

Marianne B. (113)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 8:49 pm
As a Florida resident, when I saw this on the news, I thought "you Got To Be Kidding Me"!!! Unbelievable!! The old dude married to a younger #&**^xx, he probably knew..It's plain murder! So who were on these juries?? And then the black female who was abused for years and is the victim, gets 20 years, for fear of her life? She did NOT kill him...a warning shot...BIG difference. iS THER A PETITION TO SIGN FOR HER RELEASE?? tHIS IS SO UNFAIR ON SO MANY LEVELS!
 

Robert O. (12)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 9:12 pm
Justice is not blind, just very nearsighted. This is a ridiculous and shameful travesty.
 

caroline s. (80)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 11:31 pm
Just when you think I've heard everything...It's just unbelievable. What a shame.
 

caroline s. (80)
Wednesday June 12, 2013, 11:32 pm
"Just when I think......."
 

Lynn D. (0)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 12:48 am
Interesting, thanks for info............
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 4:55 am
I know we probably haven't got the full story, but this is not right; it never was, but especially not in the 21st century!
 

jeanne schreurs (206)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:03 am
It is indecent what i liked to say about this, @f%^@*^&^&^D, so I don't.
 

John De Avalon (35)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:29 am
Innocent till proven black...! Racism in the American judicial system. Shameful.
 

Connie O. (42)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 9:15 am
Plain wrong....
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 2:07 pm
The poor woman went to jail a year ago. I signed for her then on Care2. Apparently the petition is still open, it just won't let me sign again, but there seem to be new signatures:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/503/600/056/dont-imprison-marissa-alexander-for-standing-her-ground/

There was one also on change.org but it is closed.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 2:19 pm
It all depends on your lawyer and the jury that examines your case.

Mind you, the 20-year part of the story can happen to anyone, even those (like you and me?) that have absolutely nothing to do with the case, just an error somewhere. JUST, but in combination with a bad lawyer or a bad jury......

Appeal needed (for both cases)
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 2:35 pm
Wrong.
 

Winn Adams (192)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 2:58 pm
This is absolutely crazy and beyond unfair. Will there ever be justice?
 

Birgit W. (147)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 4:07 pm
Outrageous. Where is justice?
 

Sheri Schongold (6)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 4:36 pm
Please explain to me: She gets 20 years for shooting in the air to protect herself against a known abuser. He gets to go home after killing a man. There is an obvious case of injustice here. If you want to let a murderer go, that's up to you, after all we let lots of them go, Casey Anthony for example. But a woman who has a legal gun, shoots in the air, corroberated by the brute she is afraid of, so she won't get hurt and she gets to go to jail. Something smells here and it ain't Limburger Cheese!!
 

Barbara V. (51)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:00 pm
This is so reprehensible, so extremely despicable, that I am beyond words. No wonder the country is going to the dogs.
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:08 pm
And you still maintain America is a democracy????
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 6:22 pm
Yes, Tom....it is. Imperfect (as are all human endeavours)....but we still have many democratic rights missing in other nations.
 

Natasha Salgado (537)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 6:30 pm
Poor woman...she needs a top notch lawyer who can actually provide 4 her what the previous lawyer-no doubt Legal Aid couldn't do. The judicial system is a farce. Thanks Lynn
 

holly masih (64)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:20 pm
Is there a petition for this?This is outragously unfair.
 

Dandelion G. (379)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 8:08 pm
I live just down the road south of here by 20 miles from where the trail is being held for the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case.

Marissa Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of three, with a Master’s degree and no criminal record, was working for a payroll software company in Jacksonville. That took place north of me by 90 miles, so this uneven law is all around me.

I'd say, if you are a woman in this Country at all the odds are stacked up against you. This war on women is real, then being a woman of color well it is all over.

The only reason you haven't seen too many blacks be more vocal is because a black man is in the White House. They fear no other will be able to win if they speak out against him. However, these local cases, not only here but across this Country are just seeding the flames of things to come. People, no matter what color or background will have to start standing up to this injustice.

Race, sex, does come into play when one is poor, but if she was a woman who was rich and black, the money would speak over both those other factors. It is basically a divided justice system, one for poor the other for rich. It must be also remembered that George Zimmerman's Father is a Judge so it is surprising it got this far.

But the Stand Your Ground Law needs to go. I never liked the sound of it 7 years ago, I like it even less now that I've seen it play out. We can thank ALEC for that one. Don't forget, behind every stupid rule, law, or policy in the last 30 years, you can bet ALEC had a hand in crafting it.
 

Springwater Ocoee (14)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 8:31 pm
this is so wrong! I hate this kind of injustice and racism.
 

Sue Clayton (8)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 11:07 pm
IS THERE A CURRENT PETITION ANYWHERE FOR THIS LADY??? I haven't seen one but could have missed it. If someone could PLEASE let me know I'd happily sign it with my comments. Thanks.
 

Inge Bjorkman (143)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 11:40 pm
RIOT???
Love, Peace and Reaction
 

Colleen L. (2)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 11:41 pm
That's a bunch of Horse Shi*. I too hope she contacts the ACLU or whomever it would be that could help her. Thanks Lynn
 

Candy L. (479)
Friday June 14, 2013, 12:12 am
This is insane! Florida Justice systen is so screwed up. another example: Casey Anthony who should have got the death penalty
 

David K. (0)
Friday June 14, 2013, 2:27 am
This is the most disgusting example I have ever seen of America's injustice laws. Thank god I do not live there. Is there no-one who can appeal and alter these two gross injustices?
 

Herbert E. (10)
Friday June 14, 2013, 7:10 am
20 years yes, but for the JUDGE ! Trying to find a petition.
 

Herbert E. (10)
Friday June 14, 2013, 7:20 am
Petition signed - thank you Joanne, green star is on the way.
 

Pat A. (116)
Friday June 14, 2013, 10:49 am
Green star to Ewoud and others who say both these cases should be appealed - even the poor woman's husband says that he was violent not her! What is going on in the world?!
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Saturday June 15, 2013, 6:51 pm
Flawed judicial system, I hope she appeals, Amnesty International should take up her cause. Kafkaesque!
 

Deborah L. (15)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 10:58 am
Well used to be in Texas a man could kill his wife and her lover if he caught them in bed and get away with it, but if a woman came home and found her husband in bed with his girlfriend, if the wife shot and killed either one of them, she could be put to death or spend the rest of her life in prison. Talk about double standard. Don't know if this law is still on the books in Texas, but it used to be that way.

This case here could be called racism, but I think it leans more to sexism against women. There has been so much anti-woman laws, treatment, rights and other things aimed at taking woman back down to the status of chattel or property, non-beings it doesn't matter maybe so much about race, but rather more, on gender hatred. This woman is a victim of violence, as are many of US women and it seems that no matter why a violent act against a woman happens, seems like the "good ole' boy system" covers the guys backside and lets the victims - mostly women and children hanging in the wind.If a woman tries to protect herself or children, somehow SHE is on the wrong. And women are always given harsher sentences for the same crime a man commits.
Florida is almost as screwed up as Texas and gaining ground everyday.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Friday June 21, 2013, 1:37 am
Thanks everyone.
 

Melania Padilla (179)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:31 am
WTF? Not fair!!!
 

Sue H. (1)
Thursday July 25, 2013, 8:23 am
I do hope the lady is going to appeal. The judge should be fired, this was a gross miscarriage of justice. Those stand your ground laws need to go.
 
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