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...ask yourself whether animal organizations should be investing their time & ur resources in trying to design "better" slaughterhouses or whether we should all commit ourselves to veganism and to clear, unequivocal, non-violent Vegan education...

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Jeffrey Coolwater (148)
Sunday June 28, 2009, 4:48 pm







Simone Duffin (1462)
Monday June 29, 2009, 8:02 am
Thank you Jeffrey!

Jim Phillips (3257)
Monday June 29, 2009, 9:25 pm
Had a hard time trying to watch a few of the the videos...

WARNING: graphic and not for the faint-hearted.

TY, Jeffery.

Jeffrey Coolwater (148)
Monday June 29, 2009, 11:35 pm
Sorry Jim, I was referring to the one video in the linked blog post. I thought it was the most powerful I've seen despite the fact it does not show the violent treatment awaiting those two poor cows. The fear and desperation to escape says it all!

If we did it to humans, we'd be executed!

Elm Morrison (357)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:17 am
OMG. Jeffrey, thank you so much for posting this. I'm having a hard time from some Care2 members who are not vegans/vegetarians. I absolutely cannot bear the cruelty, the terror, the human greed. We do this, or are indirect contributors to this - for the sake of our taste buds????? I was nine years old when I walked through and abbatoir (don't ask me how I got there....) and right there and then I stopped eating any sentient being. That is n ow 41 years ago. So as one human being - and here I use the word 'human' in the proudest sense I can - I have not contributed to this horror in any way whatsoever. And my resolve has paid dividends. Two care2 members have subsequently cut out meat from their diets, because of their association with me.

What I do find here on Care2 is that vegans and abolitionists like you and I do not post enough articles on the horror of factory farming and slaughter houses. My friends know what I stand for, and know that I will always speak frankly. For those of them who are not vegans/vegetarians - they have never damned me (except for two) for being the warrior for animals that I am.

I urge Care2 animal activists to put shoulder to the wheel - send this news story far and wide, and for those who still take sentient life into their mouths, please, please, rethink. Thank you Jeffrey, God bless you.

Charlene S (126)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:57 am
How anyone can watch that (and it is mild compared to some I've seen) and continue to eat meat is beyond my comprehension. So many of my friends that I send these videso to tell me not to send them any more, I am quite certain is it because they don't want to know what are eating or how that meat got to their store to ease their conscience or they cannot face the truth. They had rather stick their heads in the sand, be as oblivious as possible to the suffering of animals slaughtered for human consumption .
Thanx Jeffrey just reinforces my choice not to eat meat.

Morgan Griffith (225)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:33 am
Nothing has changed in centuries with manner that animals are treated. Imagine yourself in the place of this beauty. Imagine that you have come to the realization that YOU are next.

Tierney G (381)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:44 am
I am with you Jeffery and Eureka. I was a natural vegetarian most my life by choice. I don't care for the taste of most meat. Then before Lent one year i wanted to see what Jesus ate or didn't eat during his 40 day fast. It was on this website that I saw what they did to animals in slaughterhouses. My daughter had mentioned it but I was in dis belief. I could not believe how evil and cruel humans wer after this. It was a shocker to me. Having my own chickens( as companions only) that was it for me ever eating anything animal again!!!!
Unfortunately many are not shocked or sickened the same way we are or they are in denial or they just don't know what happens in those awful torture chambers. I compare them to the Holocaust !!! Yhank you for posting this !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to get the word out!!!!!!!!!!!!

IE Ries (237)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:53 am

I have always believed that accepting "You'll never get people to give up meat" was nothing less than co-opting the point, and that point is that no one "needs" meat. People WANT to eat meat, and they CHOOSE to eat meat, but there's nothing necessary or vital about it. Therefore, doing so is strictly out of personal desire and preference, and since that is the case, consider the following:

"A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury." --John Stuart Mill

Are we not doing evil to other creatures directly and indirectly by vainly "hoping" and waiting for the REST of humanity to wake up, evolve and admit their error?

I learned at age 21 that my actions caused huge harm to other creatures and the environment, something I did not believe I had a right to do. I also learned that other humans were complicit and lied to me about their role and mine in the suffering and murder of other creatures for "food" through their advertising and sanitizing what really happens.

If I learned these things at age 21, WHAT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S EXCUSE?

I want accountability! I want to see the flesh-slurpers being confronted every single day and challenged and castigated for what they do, the way I was for bucking humanity's "party line" and refusing to continue this horrible voluntary habit.

I see everyone who consumes meat as active, willing participants who are no different from the filthy, disgusting morlocks of HG Wells' "The Time Machine," feasting on the flesh of other humans because there's no difference in the way they treated their captives and how we humans treat captive creatures for the purpose of consuming them. It's disgusting, and it's entirely unnecessary and unacceptable. (And if you think this is a far-fetched comparison, it's not: humans have consumed other humans by choice in cultures all over the world in our species' past history).

There's no excuse to continue eating flesh and making others suffer so that someone can exercise a mere "preference." This practice should simply be banned and outlawed if for no other reason than to save other species from extinction because of our consumption practices, and with human refusing to practice responsible population control and overbreeding to 7 BILLION, all creatures are in danger of being consumed to extinction.


Rhonda Maness (580)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 8:03 am
Thanks Jeffrey

Marena Chen (200)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 8:30 am
Yes, it is horrific the way animals are treated and slaughtered - but let me ask you this: How many cooking shows on TV are even remotely interested in inventing Vegetarian dishes? There are 147 cooking shows on the FOOD Chanel each week and none of the chefs are preparing meatless meals. All kinds of meat (including veal and pate de foie gras) fish and crustacians are the main ingredients in ALL of them. I don't have time to watch much but I read what's advertised in the TV program digest. Get the chefs and cooks on your side and there might be a chance to stop all this slaughter. Hotels, Restaurants, Clubs etc, are the main users of meat and they (unlike you) don't give a damn where their supplies come from - and that is a fact.

Susan d (61)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 9:10 am
I continue to fight the good fight. Spent a wonderful day on Sunday helping at a Farm Sanctuary Open Day (RASTA) in Calgary, Alberta. There was a wonderful vegan lunch laid on for the helpers. I was also pleasantly surprised at how many ranch owners came and gave support - bit of an oxymoron, I suppose. Tough to even imagine how hard it must be to convince the red neck population here in cow country that going meat free is the only way. - but we have to try.

Amena Andersson (187)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 9:40 am
Answer to that question: "No." Though not yet vegan, I am getting closer. No meat except occasional turkey, fish, and chicken, eggs, yogurt and milk. But, those times are becoming more infrequent. Trying to figure out how to get adequate complete proteins on a shoe-string budget is not easy, especially if the diet has to be low carb/low fat due to my heart condition (post heart attack) and off the scale triglicerides.

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 9:50 am
Noted and will cross post.
I am glad I am a vegetarian and that I am not harming an animal any more.
Thanks for sharing Jeffrey and Eureka

Anumpeshi Aduddell (227)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 10:08 am
These sacred and innocent creatures are our little brothers and sisters, to prottect and to love,we are all connected thru the divine source,One, animal kingdom is our responsibility to honor and respect,our government should be held accountable for murder, every animal has a heart, spirit, and soul, bleeds as we do and loves as we do, has babies as every woman does, and they are more loyal and evolved than humans are!Wake up,you are killing yourselves and destroying all that is Beauty and mother earths children, it is beyond a sin against universal laws,where is mankinds heart?No human should get away with killing any source of life!We breathe as One with all life forms here,go vegetarian,allow animals to life without the fear of , I will see my family die, one by one, slaughtered, and then eaten, cannibalism!

Jim Phillips (3257)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 10:29 am

You are right about the one main video being mild compared to others. I was referring to the other links, videos that were linked to the main story. There are other people who are a lot more sensitive than me and left a message warning others should they "want" to explore the other links.

Yes, I did catch "The fear and desperation to escape says it all! "

TY, Jeffery.

Anumpeshi Aduddell (227)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:32 am
bloody murder, and the government should be held accountable for murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!humans eating there little brothers and sisters is Cannibalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wrong, wrong wrong,wrong, sick sick sick, how do they feel knowing there babies and families are next in line???????????????????????????????????????How could any human be a part of this? Those horrible commerciaols of humans eating hamburgers make me ill, in every way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If these people eating the burgers had to kill them first or watch this video, they may have a different point of view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Children of the darkness are running this planet!,The cows are crying, the mustangs are crying , i beg you ancestors, awaken from your dreams and hear our cries,Mahli Achafa/11/wind

LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:41 am
"Truly man is the king of beasts, for his brutality exceeds theirs. We live by the death of others: we are burial places!" Leonardo da Vinci

"To become vegan is to find your compassion and feed your soul. To continue to eat meat is to worship evilness and feed your demon." Kitty Kares (aka-me)

Murdering innocents and consuming their flesh is nothing more then evil and demonic. We have a choice on whether to be good or bad and it is such a shame that too many people are choosing the wrong path or letting others choose their path for them. Apathy plays a big roll in the suffering of these innocent creatures. People need to get their heads out of the sand and see the suffering and the abuse that goes on just so they can have a piece of rotting meat or wear a fur coat.

Thank you Jeffery for posting. I will forward to my friends.


Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:45 am
Thanks Jeffery,I share your concern and the plight of these animals.No animals should have to suffer before being slaughtered.Some Native tribes believe that animals are the reincarnations of certain people.I'm slowly turning to eating less meat and more Vegatables.But I honor all 4-legged creatures,and offer tobacco when I come upon a dead animals on the streets or in the wild..I was taught it leaves a hole in the universe when an animals dies and I offer tobacco to compensate for that hole..

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:57 am
I myself have not eaten meat in a very long time and wouldn't change it for the world.

Janet G (108)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:59 am
There is no way that anyone could make me eat flesh! It is disgusting to me and since I live in the 21st century I know that I have many options for nutritional healthy food and eating flesh isn't one of them. No wonder the karma here on earth for mankind is getting so bad. We have created this action of suffering and we have inflicted such horrendous pain upon the precious life here, what can we expect for these actions? Everything returns that has been put in action, there is no escaping it. Killing animals for food, for fur, for profit is wrong! It originated from a neaderthal mentality that still exists today? Mankind, evolve!

Elm Morrison (357)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 12:20 pm
Below the link to a very helpful site:
Gluten Free Vegan Diet

Below a link to a fantastic site for recipe and food information with links to many, many more fantastic sites.
Recipes galore

mary f (202)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 12:59 pm
thanks jeffrey and eureka and tierney for sending me the link

Dalia H (1280)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 1:08 pm
This video is so gross! Poor cows, they feel that they are going to die. I don't eat any kind of meat, not milk, not eggs, not ice cream for me. I have been under attack for being vegan all the way, but I don't care, because the way I feel worth it.
Noted with a lot of thanks Dearest Jeffrey:)
Black Dalia:)

cowboss at wscc (68)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 1:19 pm
cowboss showing up here is kinda like gasoline showing up at the fire, But he's here. I am not here to argue whether vegan-ism or omnivorism will be the "final outcome" for humans (I know it will not be for the Lions and Wolves of our world), I am here to state that I for one find it disturbing that so many people, by virtue of their decision as to what is wrong or right for the human race appear to have "Given Up" on fighting for the "Ethical Treatment of Farm Animals" as the majority of the populous would define it. This attitude, regrettably so reminds me of "Religious fundamentalism" were there is only one "God" and that is "My God" and if you do not see it My way, You are going to HELL attitude. I ask you to think about what you CAN do for the "Farm animals" of the world until the world accepts that you are right and all humans are designed to be Vegan.


Janet G (108)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 1:52 pm
Hi Cowboss, You're right, all the meat eaters in the world won't stop because I believe eating meat is wrong and yes, I am fighting too for the humane treatment of farm animals every chance that I get and until they are treated with respect, I will never stop fighting for them. I still believe that we are not supposed to kill to eat, but since most humans can't see that, we have to start with humane treatment of the creatures first!

Dan C (48)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 1:58 pm
I wonder what slaveboss for the Slaves would have had to say about human slavery 150 years ago?

Prolly the same exact thing cowboss for the Cows (above) says about our modern animal slavery and holocaust today.

And guess what? Just as the “ethical treatment” of slaves didn’t mean anything but more and more extreme cruelty toward slaves, so the “ethical treatment” of cows (or other sentient beings) will mean nothing other than more and more extreme cruelty toward cows.

As to “god”, well, if it/he/she exists, it/he/she is a real monster for letting so many millions of human apes loose on the rest of sentient life. In fact, animal agriculture all by itself is a pretty good argument for the non-existence of any kind of good, powerful, or knowing deity.

LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 2:06 pm
Jan, I agree with you totally.

Cowboss- I would however like to add that if you think that farm animals are being mistreated and if you are going to advocate for them then maybe the best way of showing that you care about the welfare of these animals is to stop eating them or are you one of these so called "compassionate" carnivors?? You really can not effectivly advocate for any animal and then sit down and eat that animal. You might want things to get better for them however things aren't ever going to get better for the cows, chickens, pigs, etc etc as long as people are breeding them into exsistance for the sole purpose of eating them. And that isn't a as you put it - "you do not see it My way, You are going to HELL" statement .. It is a fact pure and simple.

"If the use of animal food be, in consequence, subversive to the peace of human society, how unwarrantable is the injustice and the barbarity which is exercised toward these miserable victims. They are called into existence by human artifice that they may drag out a short and miserable existence of slavery and disease, that their bodies may be mutilated, their social feelings outraged. It were much better that a sentient being should never have existed, than that it should have existed only to endure unmitigated misery." Percy Bysshe Shelley

"If he be really and seriously seeking to live a good life, the first thing from which he will abstain will always be the use of animal food, because ...its use is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to the moral feeling." Leo Tolsto

LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 2:15 pm

I agree with a lot of things you say except about the absence of a deity or that God is to blame.

God (it/he/she) isn't responsible for the horror that we humans commit - we are. God (or whatever form you might worship) might have brought the Earth into existence but God did not force us to become the destructive monsters that we are. It/he/she gave us free will and very little common sense to go with it. We are to blame for what we have become and what we are doing to our Earth and all her inhabitants. Until we stop blaming others and start taking responsibility for our actions and start doing something about the state of the world then nothing will change. We are at the mercy of our own demons and they are called greed, lust and apathy.

Raffi LidoRoiz (301)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 2:54 pm
If I get started on what I think of "humanity" and some of the other subjects here I would be writing til 5 in the morning-this is an excellent post and I will be cross-posting everywhere...

cowboss at wscc (68)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:21 pm
You have made some emotional statements, But your knowledge of cowboss is severely limited, whether that is because you did not look, or because you do not want to see, is not for me to say. cowboss is an omnivore,and probably will be for the rest of his life, but he is not anti-vegan or pro omnivore, what he is, is an advocate for the improved treatment of all farm animals.

One question to all of you, you seem to see no other answer, or anything that is worthy of your time other than converting everyone to veganism, is that not similar to saying "lets not waste our time treating cancer, the only thing worthy of our resources is finding the cure". It seems so sad to me that you folk are so intent on bashing cowboss for his efforts to have farm animals treated humanely that BIG AGRI must absolutely love you for your efforts, they and I know that veganism is currently of very little threat to them and if they can have you fight me they can continue unencumbered with their committing atrocities against the farm animals. I will not fall for this trap, and I trust that others see it for what it is. as well.


Dan C (48)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:33 pm

I just made an implied argument from the analogy of human slavery to animal slavery (there’s really no moral difference) and stated that no good, just, knowing, and powerful deity would cause a world in which such savagery would be inflicted on tens of billions of sentient beings annually.

If you got emotional about it, then I guess it was emotional for you. It wasn’t emotional at all for me.

Anyway, I can guarantee you, without any doubt,that welfare reform will only lead to greater numbers of innocents being tortured and slaughtered in more horrific ways than ever, as it has for the past 200 years of welfare efforts.

The ONLY chance the innocent beings who are tortured for our trivial pleasures will have is if people go vegan. If we don’t go vegan as individuals and a society, then the extreme and tortuous holocaust will only increase in intensity and number. Go vegan, or contribute to the increasing torture fest and holocaust.

LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 3:57 pm

"you seem to see no other answer, or anything that is worthy of your time other than converting everyone to veganism"

Actually I have a lot of things worthy of my time. Veganism is only one of the things I fight for and it happens to go hand in hand with all my efforts to end the suffering of all animals subjected to becoming food for your plate. I also protest outside of slaughter houses, rodeo's and have been know to set a couple of cows, chickens and pigs a waiting slaughter free in my time (well free in sanctuary's that is). I fight for these animals anyway I can because I not only want them to lead lives free of torture and suffering but lives free of death for greed and lust as well. I as well as many of the other people on Care2 give it our all to help these animals - we do not just want the meat on our plates to have had a nice life prior to being sent to be murdered. We want the murder to end period!!!!

And as far as being omnivore that is your choice not because you have to be to survive and as far as Big Ag loving anyone here it would have to be you because after all it is you (and all the other meat eaters) that are keeping them in business - not me and all the other vegans here on Care2 and around the world. We want them shut down.

Karen S (106)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 4:15 pm
I noted this story, not because I am vegan or otherwise, but because I think there is a lot of room for improvement in slaughter houses no matter what my food preferences are. I am dismayed by some of the previous comments here, because it has gone outside the bounds of respectful debate. How can we expect to stand united in our fight for the welfare of farm animals, or any other animals for that matter if we are divisive. We can respectfully agree to disagree on some points, but let's not lose sight of the fact that we are advocating for the animals here. It accomplishes nothing for the greater good to break up into two camps and build walls between us.

Consider this.......You raised your children in a respectful and loving home and taught them your values. After they leave home and have been on their own awhile, they come home and announce to you that they have become omnivores. Do you call your kids murderers and tell them what they are doing is wrong, gluttonous and disgusting, or that they should suffer the same fate as the animals they have chosen to eat? I should think that you would likely tell them that you still love them and respectfully and rationally convey what your values are and how you arrived at them in an effort to educate them.

Please consider carefully the words you write in these comments. You cannot take them back!

sue M (184)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 4:32 pm
Sorry, folks I eat meat. Not much but I do eat it. But I do not admire or like the way that the animals are treat or killed. Like horse slaughter this is a terrible barbaric practice!

Dan C (48)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 4:54 pm
Karen, I doubt your comments about being divisive were directed at me, but I do want to answer your children question. If I raised and educated children with vegan values who later stated consuming animal products, it would be the same as a parent whose child has entered a life of crime (even though animal product consumption is currently legal) and I would handle it the same way. I would be extremely disappointed in them and try to guide them back to living free from prejudice (speciesism=racism=sexism) and with a sense of justice toward the innocent. I may or may not be effective, but that would be my course of action.

Welfare cannot work any more for sentient nonhuman slaves than it did for human slaves. The institution is immoral. Go vegan.

cowboss at wscc (68)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:03 pm


Regrettably, the “angry vegan” image has some basis in reality. Not only have I known many obsessive, misanthropic vegans, I was one myself. My anger and self-righteousness gave many people a lifetime excuse to ignore the realities hidden behind their food choices.

As a reaction to what goes on in factory farms and slaughterhouses, very strong feelings, such as revulsion and outrage, are understandable and entirely justified. The question, though, isn’t what is warranted, but rather, what helps animals. I have known hundreds of outraged activists who insisted, “Animal liberation by any means necessary! I’m willing to do anything!” Yet few of these people are still active, and animal liberation remains in the future.

If we truly want to have a fundamental, lasting impact on the world, we must deal with our emotions in a constructive way. We need to ask ourselves:

Are we willing to direct our passion, rather than have it rule us?
Are we willing to put the animals’ interests before our personal desires?
Are we willing to focus seriously and systematically on effective advocacy?
It is not enough to be a vegan, or even a dedicated vegan advocate. We must remember the bottom line—reducing suffering—and actively be the opposite of the vegan stereotype. Just as we need everyone to look beyond the short-term satisfaction of following habits and traditions, we need to move past our sorrow and anger to optimal advocacy. We must learn “how to win friends and influence people,” so that we leave everyone we meet with the impression of a joyful individual leading a fulfilling and meaningful life.


LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:10 pm

You know I value your friendship but I don't see that the debate has gotten out of hand at all. This is a debate over the lives of innocents and so far nothing has been said that is anywhere near inappropriate. We are all entitled to our choices and some just choose activisim over welfarism and there in lies the difference. Welfareism is pretty much a waste of time in putting a complete end to the suffering - activism however is about ending the suffering period. That is the debate that is going on and both sides do have a right to say what they feel and answer back to the comments posted by the other.

As far as taking back comments - I don't see that anyone has to. There hasn't been any name calling or anything. We just disagree about how best to protect these creatures. One side wants them to be happy while they are alive but still die in the end in order to feed them. And the other side wants them to be happy always and not have to suffer a painful and horrible death to feed anyone. Again welfare vs activisim.

As far as a division between the two sides this is just a sad fact. This division will always be there - it might be hidden at times when we fight to releave the suffering until it can be stopped - but the line will always be there and even though we might venture to your side to help out it seems that welfareist never seem to venture over to ours.

As far as my family is concerned. (not that they have anything to do with this) My children are vegetarians (not vegan yet but getting there) and yes they have been to a slaughter house and yes they have witnessed the pain and suffering these animals go through to end up on your plate and no they do not have any intention of ever eating another sentient being. I have taught my children to repsect all life and to value others lives as having the same importance as theirs. If they ever did decide to eat meat then we would have a problem because the only lesson in life that I told them was important and that could never be broken is the law of compassion. If they did break this law then yes they would be in for it and most likely disowned but then again if I was to eat a poor dead cow I would be in for it and they would disown me as well.

cowboss at wscc (68)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:19 pm
As a caretaker of farm animals for some time I feel that I must point one glaring inaccuracy out in this story. The animal pictured in the "chute" is distressed as is any of this type of animal when confined for anything, be it for the animals good or NOT. My animals which are all very used to human contact,extremely quiet and all treated well will respond in a manner similar to the one pictured when they are confined for the best of intentions(ie; treatment for an illness) in fact I had the experience of having a cow charge me with the intent "to Kill" when my intention was merely to treat her for her illness.

I know this type of wordsmithing id designed to "Tug at the Heartstrings" BUT please let us not take it to the point of "self serving deception of the naive".


LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:23 pm

There are plenty of angry non-vegans out there as well. And if you are taking our facts as anger then you are taking what is being said totally wrong. I am not angry with you nor is Dan for that matter - we are just stating facts!

As far as winning friends and influencing people you don't really seem to be doing any better at that then I am. But I guess since you are not a vegan it doesn't count??

If you want to stick to welfarism that is your choice but I am an animal activist and in the end I will and I do save more lives then you ever will and that is just the way it is. Again welfarism vs activism. Complete fact and not said out of anger at all. The choice is yours and I can not make it for you but I can state how I feel about it just as you have stated how you feel about my choice.

LaJana P (97)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:29 pm

Do you not understand that the cows that you kill might not react the same way because they think that you love them and would never betray them by murdering them. Just like a child might not realize that someone they trust and care for is going to molest them and go with them willingly. Of course by the end of it both are betrayed.

Joycey B (750)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:29 pm
This is so heartbreaking. Noted with tears. Thanks Jeffrey.

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 5:37 pm
ETHICAL or HUMANE SLAUGHTERiNG is the most ridiculous phrase I have ever heard

Karen I have no problems to call things their names
and I understand I won't change the World in one day and better regulation for animal slaughtering are needed but what I want is to see the all slaughter houses being burned down

that's why I think we all and all orgs should expose meat industry, promote and support vegan food producers and educate people FIRST

Evolution was supposed to make humans high intelligent creatures (with high intelectual and EMOTIONAL intelligence) yet empathy is still so odd for most of people - is it so slow or does it change its direction???
I can't stand the all evil I see EVERY SINGLE DAY
I still can't understand WHY people are so stupid
that's why I don't want to negotiate compromises

ALL ANIMALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE (including people of course)

TY Jeffrey!!


Nancy Welch (68)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:33 pm
Noted with sadness. Thanks Jeff for posting and Tierney for sharing.

Tuesday June 30, 2009, 6:37 pm
noted... I don't even know what to say. Thanks for the share, will forward to all my friends.

. (0)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 7:38 pm
I don't do meat go to my page it says it all and I do mean it, and I don't lie about it. Animals have hearts and souls. And if anyone has any doubts that I do not love animals then they have got me to deal with for real!!! I strive on signing petitons for them and writing letters alson on Change .org. Thanks Jeff a lot more people needs to do it.

. (0)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 8:38 pm
i eat alot of veggie burgers now

Mandi T (367)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 10:59 pm
OMG, I couldn't watch, but the picture says enough. Don't eat veal either!!!!!!! Eating til you bust keep the cruelty going and going on.
Until yoy can see and understand the cruel methods used to put cow on your table, you will never understand!
Tx Jeff I will forward as well. Don't want to go on a rant here.

RosemaryRannes HusbandNeedsPrayers (650)
Tuesday June 30, 2009, 11:06 pm
Every animal has a consciousness and a soul.

Anna H (74)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 1:24 am
Thanks for posting this!!! I will share and hope ALL people seeing this will become vegan finally, if they arent yet.

Gemma H (48)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 2:05 am
Hot topic!! Surely the picture says it all?

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 2:09 am
thanks for the video and passionate discussion. I am still carnivorous though I do spend a lot of time not eating meat when my companion is away from home at worksites, and I do believe that the people in Europe and North America eat too much meat (with respect to other foods and a balanced diet). I very much respect and admire all of you for defending your ideas and values. It will be difficult to change the millions of years of human eating practice very quickly. What can and must be changed rapidly is the way the food animals are raised and treated and brought to slaughter, and I know that all of us can work together to this first step as a common goal.

savina V (232)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 3:45 am
MURDERERS.......................................ALL PRECIOUS ANIMALS HAVE RIGHT TO LIVE AND TO BE FREE !!! SHAME ON human beings!
I JUST HOPE THAT REALLY WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.....................................

. (0)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 11:23 am
Thanks Jeffery,excellent link, gladly noted and fwd, I'm a huge fan of everything that Gary L. Francione does, he's truly an inspiration and really knows his facts. I've been vegan almost 20 years, havent eaten animals for 30 years, my 19 year old daughter is a life vege then went vegan of her own accord. Karen my child would never do that she's been bought up to respect all life.
Veganism is the only way to stop the suffering, let me put it like this; to eat animals and say that you support their welfare is like someone saying that they help child abuse victims but wont actually stop the abusers or helping rape victims but not stopping the rapists, it seems nice on the surface but it doesnt stop it from happening. The only way to genuinely help is to stop the abuse happening in the first place. To solve the problem not keep mopping up the casualties.
In this case go vegan. Just one person going vegan makes a significant difference, its supply and demand, each vegan means less animals bred and less suffering, thats the fact of it, (not to mention less resouces used, water, fuel, pollution, etc...)If you can do less harm then surely you would and should.
In my opinion the farmed animal industry is violent, promotes a violent and disrespectful society, is mysogynistic (the two are closely linked),is completely unnecessary and has no place in any evolved or civilised culture. Each and every animal was an individual who with out doubt wanted to live. And yet some would take their life for some thing as flippant and unimportant as a taste. Its atrocious beyond belief.
I love your comment David that you were bought up to believe that each animals death left a hole in the universe. Quite a stark notion when you think about the scale of the numbers of animals we as a species have unnecessarily and horrifically killed.

Julie v (230)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 12:33 pm
I am vegetarian too, but I will not attack a meat eater in a nasty way. I will try and convince in a friendly manner to go vegetarian. One can not make a slaughterhouse humane. These animals all fear death like you and I. If a slaughterhouse should become humane, then murderers should kill people humanely too. That does not sound right to me.

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 2:08 pm
I have been a vegetarian since we were regarded as cranks and stupid. I just couldn't face eating animals!

Slaughterhouses can't be humane but it can be done far more humanely. Unfortunately the type of people who work there have no interest in animal welfare and often enjoy making or watching animals suffer.

Angel Flinn (304)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 8:15 pm
"Until the world accepts that we are right and all humans are designed to be vegan", going and staying vegan is exactly what we can do, and what we should do, if we really care about the suffering of animals. As long as you are eating and using the products of exploitation, you are making an official request to the people who inflict suffering to do so on your behalf.

Encouraging others to go vegan is the next most important thing we can do. If people take offense at that, they should try and put their own selves aside and consider the plight of the animals, then weigh up which is more important.

Advocating for welfare reforms is like advocating for mattresses in the concentration camps. Of course it would be an improvement, and the prisoners would even be more comfortable, but it takes our energy and resources away from the real goal, the urgent goal, of liberating them altogether.

There is another thing that is achieved by campaigning for welfare reforms. It convinces the public that there is a way to exploit animals that would be 'humane'. That is the opposite of the message that we need to be promoting, which is that animals exist for their own reasons, and they are all entitled to the basic right of living on their own terms, not as property to be used or dominated by humans.

Kelly c (100)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 10:13 pm
:( :( :( Believe you can do something about this?

There is now PROOF that meat causes cancer and more. Google for Professor Collins. T. Campbells who grew up wanting to make his grandfather's animal farm a success. What he found horrified him so much, he became a vegetarian.

REDUCE or stop eating meat! THERE are many good foods - beans, nuts and even coconut flesh to replace in meat dishes. RED and WHITE meats are the same - we've been lied to that white meat is healthier!!

If you think FRIGHTENED or UNHAPPY animals = Healthy Meat, you've been dumbed by....meat and probably too much prescription drugs! lol

Jeffrey Coolwater (148)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 10:20 pm
Well said, Angel!

I'm always heartened by people such as yourself who remind us of the one very simple yet overwhelmingly important and urgent fact that ALL animals are very interested in living unfettered lives free of ANY human exploitation.

I wish everyone would read with earnest Gary Francione's blog, linked in this story, to understand fully why and how only Veganism, and not just Vegetarianism, is indeed the moral baseline by which we can and MUST bring about the abolition of ALL non-human animal slavery!

Thank you to so many thoughtful readers and writers. Please pass on this heartfelt message so that others may become aware.

Jeffrey Coolwater (148)
Wednesday July 1, 2009, 10:30 pm
It is NOT about your tastes or mine, or your (perceived) needs or mine. It is simply about the stolen lives and savaged freedoms of those non-humans whom are exploited! They are innocent and do NOT deserve subjugation or use.

Rod Gesner (60)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:46 am
Factory VEGIE agri Biz Kills Millions of Small and and thousands of Larger animals. is that ALL Good as Long as Ya'll Don't have to EAT them.?.
I Agree with CowBoss UNless it is By Authoritarain FORCE;
WE Human Animals Will NEVR Stop Our Ominvore Practices;
AND Nor Will ALL the Other Carnivorous and Omnivorous Animals.
PLASTICS AND SYNTHETICS KILL and Mutate In Ways We are Still finding Out I would Much Rather Support Sustainable Compassionate Farm Practices and Reuseable Long Lasting Natural Products Than The Resource Wasting Toxic Poluting Oil Chemistry that Produces Plastics and Funds The Anti Leather Anti Fur PRO Synthetics Campaigns..

Rod Gesner (60)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 1:09 am
those of You that use Tigers, Dogs, ETC for Your Avi's Expect them to Go VEGAN; Those of You That Live With or "Own" Omnivore or Carnivore Pets; Will You Provide them with thier Natural DIET or Force Your Agendas on them; Cruely and Without Thought of Thier Rights;
Why is this Such a Forcefull Almost Religous Movement;
Self Hating Humans Trying to Compensate for thier Guilt in Overconsumption and Rape of this Planet. By Condemning Those They Can Point out As Greater Sinners Than THEM...

Marena Chen (200)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 3:11 am
I was not going to be drawn into commenting here again after what I wrote somewhere above was (even though really valid) completely ignored. We are having a ding dong on another site about this and I will write what I wrote there: Meat has been consumed since the dawn of time (remember the hunter gatherers) what do you think they were hunting? Blowflies....? Their hunting/killing methods were even more brutal than today. It took numerous spear-thrust to bring down and than actually kill the animal.

If Vegans want everyone to become vegan, they must first of all stop attacking vegetarians and stop resorting to childish name-calling - you know, corpse-munchers and the like. As long as those rabid type of vegans keep this up, not many (if any) will want to change their eating habits. Sorry if I upset anyone here, but I and a lot of others were completely put off. Life is not unlike an echo......

Kelly c (100)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 3:59 am
It's possible carnivores can survive with vegetables just like how a kitten grew and remain strong on vege (may be the only cat in the whole world who does not eat meat) But not in this world in my generation. As long as man is fighting man (evil), carnivores will remain carnivores.

I think iIt's foolish to force vege on carnivorous pets. How is this different from trying to genetically modify foods so they are fly-resistant or ant-resistant?

Perhaps the best is not to try and domesticate any animals. They were originally born free and should be set free. If you keep carnivorous pets, I am sorry to say, it's your responsibility of feeding them meat - that is for taking them away from their habitat.

Karen B (289)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 7:43 am
Thanks Jeffrey. I can't watch those videos but I sure haven't eaten meat in years.

LaJana P (97)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 10:05 am

"rabid type of vegans" - what about rabid types of meat eaters?? Just because we have chosen to break out of societies conditioning and become more compassionate people and try to educate people on the rights that all living sentient beings have to not be exploited by another for gain.

Yes life is like an echo and karma's a b.... however a vegans life is free of the greed and lust for the slavery and exploitation of innocents for any type of gain. We do not promote the suffering of others so I'm pretty sure our echos and our karmas are just fine.

Also as far as early man being great hunters and warriors - most of the tools found at archaeological digs have proven to be extremely ineffective at being able to kill large animals. Their diets mainly consisted of plant based foods with a few small animals such as baby birds and frogs and such thrown in when available. Also there is another study out by Fernando Rozzi that states that early humans actually killed and ate our Neanderthal cousins. Yes our ancestors where cannibals.

Since you used early man as an example as to why humans should continue to hunt and kill as they did since the "dawn of time" then do you think it's fair to say that cannibalism then is ok??

Just because something was done millions of years ago does not make it the right thing to do now any more then it is right to own slaves or put Jewish people in gas chambers. However at the time these things where done they had a lot of support.

How is speciesism and racism any different really?? It is just the exploitation of another for gain. If you have time please read "Studies on Slavery" by John Fletcher. This book was written in 1852 - slavery was not abolished until 1865 in the USA - although racism still continues to thrive today. Also in this book you will find references to slave owners (mostly in other countries but a few here in the USA) who killed and ate their slaves in order to prove dominance over the other slaves.

We are in the mist of destroying our planet. Animal Agri is not only the worst holocaust of the modern world - it also contributes to the destruction of ecosystems and the environment daily. It is time that we evolved past what our prehistoric ancestors where and stop using them as our moral compass. We need to stop abusing and killing just because "that's what they did in the past".

If we do not evolve and become more caring and compassionate beings then we might as well bend over an kiss our butts goodbye because once we destroy Mother Earth and all her other inhabitants for nothing more then profit and exploitation then we are dead as well.

Gillian M (218)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 12:34 pm
Kelly, in the UK there is a brand of dog/cat food which is vegetarian and the animals are healthy on it. However, it is not for everyone.

Jesse S (22)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 6:06 pm
LaJana -- all that is well and good, but are you suggesting that we get rid of all the predators in the world, such as Lions and Tigers?

LaJana P (97)
Thursday July 2, 2009, 6:14 pm
Lion's and Tiger's are carnivores - we are not. They do not have a choice - we do.

Marena Chen (200)
Friday July 3, 2009, 12:00 pm
LaJana, there are other ways of trying to convince people to stop eating meat, than calling people corpse-munchers and worse. Surely, if someone hits you over the head with a 2x4, you would not be inviting that person to take tea with you. I am all for rational discourse but baulk when attacked with irrational spoutings. That is my contention....

Laura H (964)
Sunday July 5, 2009, 9:55 pm
I became a veggie in 1976 and have been vegan for years now....I love ALL animals and I wouldn't hurt one in any way for anything!! I know what it is like to be in pain, to be afraid, to be lonely, to be denied...I can't do those things to another being!
People need to see where their meat REALLY comes from...these animals are not happily living on a sunny, grassy farm and one day gently and quickly killed~FAR from it!!! I have seen a lot of footage and I will NEVER get the sights and sounds out of my mind, heart and soul.
Thank you my dear friend Jeffrey!!!!

Marena Chen (200)
Monday July 6, 2009, 6:51 am
What I mentioned in my first comment, about the 147 TV cooking shows per week, which solely revolve around the many ways of cooking meat, might be a way to start. If those chefs would at least include some vegetarian dishes, people might slowly be weaned away from meat, but as long as they glorify gourmet meat (fish and crustacian) dishes, I don't hold out much hope for any big changes in the forseeable future.

Elaine R (130)
Sunday July 12, 2009, 8:37 am

Sally D (91)
Sunday July 12, 2009, 4:46 pm
This breaks my heart and I could only watch the video that did not show the graphic footage of violent slaughter. This is not because I have my head in the sand. I am well aware of the atrocities, I just know it would torture me forever if I did see it. The fact that I had seen the horrific killing, would not serve any purpose other than to send me crazy with grief. I am a very sensitive person & I know if I watched this murder it would haunt me for the rest of my life in my waking hours and in my dreams. If I thought for one minute that watching the video would put an end to the slaughter permanently, I would watch it. Unfortunately this will not happen until the worldwide demand for animal meat is quashed. I will sign every petition I can to put an end to factory farming and all animal slaughter. I will note/comment on all stories. I will donate when I can. I will forward to everyone possible. I will write to country leaders. I will continue to be an advocate for all our animals. I will not give up on the plight of our beautiful, sentient animals, even though I am not convinced that this inhumane slaughter will ever end. I am not saying that to be negative or defeatist. As I said I will continue to fight. It is just that whatever we do, we are up against it and it is going to be a very hard fight. Like climbing a never-ending Everest. There are so many individuals, organizations, farming factories & many countries that have little or no HUMANITY when it comes to the animals of our world. THIS HORRIFIC CRUELTY AND SLAUGHTER WILL ONLY CEASE WHEN ANIMALS ARE TREATED AS BEING AS IMPORTANT AS HUMANS AND TREATED WITH THE SAME RIGHTS AND RESPECT THAT HUMANS ARE. I LOVE ALL THE ANIMALS OF OUR WORLD & I WILL KEEP BEING THEIR VOICE UNTIL I BREATHE MY LAST EARTHLY BREATH.

liz c (827)
Sunday July 12, 2009, 7:11 pm
I eat meat.
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