Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:01 pm
Goodness she doesnt even dress herself for this crap...

Big Gorilly Hugs

Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:33 pm
This is ridiculous, does she even choose her own wardrobe? Why did they let her wear it if they thought that some uneducated idiot wouldn't buy their crappy coffee if they thought it was advertised by a Muslim? Who doesn't know who Rachel Ray is? No wonder most Americans are so uninformed. Well, I will boycott them from now on. M.

Wednesday May 28, 2008, 6:15 pm
WHAT!??? Rachel Ray looked NOTHING like "Yasser Arafat". GOOD GRIEF!

' “The keffiyeh, for the clueless, is the traditional scarf of Arab men that has come to symbolize murderous Palestinian jihad," Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin wrote in her syndicated column.'

what a pompous b....Fox News stirring the pot again...A woman can't wear a silk scarf around their neck, anymore? Look out! It's a TERRORIST!!!
GRRRR!!!! They are making me insane. continue the hate mongering...somebody should fire these idiots.

Thank you for the article, Linda

;)

Wednesday May 28, 2008, 7:41 pm
This proves what can happen when you are not informed. I agree clueless!

Wednesday May 28, 2008, 9:16 pm
Oh my, what is our country coming to? I happen to wear scarves periodically - and yes, my favorite ones have fringe, just like Rachel's.
This is the lamest, just when I think I saw everything.
So now we have to change our way of life, to avoid being linked to terrorism - because of a scarf?
I just hope terrorsts don't wear jeans - then we will all be anti-american!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 3:24 am
Such insane immaturity...you people need to shut off your tv's and stop listening to these idiots. The media in the USA has been given way too much voice, they are a bunch of egomaniacs...imo
I can't imagine pulling an ad that must have cost a million to make because of one silly commentator...wow

Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:08 am
I have to say Fox News is the biggest joke of a news channel out there. First, Mr. Rogers was out to seduce your children into evil doing (RIP Fred) and know Rachael Ray is a secret Muslim who I am sure was sending a coded message to underground terrorists with her scarf. Ugh, these folks need to at least have one brain between all of the staffers combined.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:58 am
Of course she is a terrorist, along with anyone else who does not agree with FAUX News.

Fearmongering and the hatred that comes with it is rampant and works as long as people are stuck in a spiritual level of basic survival and the emotional chakra. If we teach how to move higher up into the heart, and unconditional love, then humanity might have a chance...

How about teaching that subject in schools and colleges?

Thursday May 29, 2008, 8:29 am
Michelle Malkin is known for being a right-wing idiot. Dunkin Donuts should have just laughed off the attack and turned around and accused Malkin of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab bigotry.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 12:49 pm
Geesh, this is ridiculous. I would pull the ad just for lack of fashion aptitude! Can her stylists PLEASE start dressing her in more complementary clothes and accessories?!?!?

Thursday May 29, 2008, 1:29 pm
Tell Dunkin Donuts Rachel Ray is not a terrorist, here's the petition:
http://www.eztrackz.com/tracking.aspx?id=85106

and the C2NN story:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/747656452/758450

Thanks!

-- Rosa

Thursday May 29, 2008, 1:33 pm
Sorry, forgot to add the link to the petition, here it is:
Tell Dunkin Donuts Rachel Ray Is Not a Terrorist

and the C2NN story.

Thanks again!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 2:33 pm
That is crazy...FOX News at it best...it wouldn't know a news story if it slapped them in the face, so they have to go around making up BS. And for D&D to submit, or even pay attention to their babbling is shameful

Thursday May 29, 2008, 4:12 pm
Thanks Rosa I did sign and I hope many others do as well!!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 10:59 pm
"Popularized by Yasser Arafat and a regular adornment of Muslim terrorists appearing in beheading and hostage-taking videos, the apparel has been mainstreamed by both ignorant and not-so-ignorant fashion designers, celebrities, and left-wing icons," Malkin wrote.

Fox Faux news columnist Michelle Malkin is merely SHOWING OFF HER POWER TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE/SHEEPLE. She just says the word, and "celebrities and fashion designers" tremble in their high-heeled boots!!! Don'tya wish YOU had that kind of power......
Wow, how Michelle Malkin's ego must be puffed up now!

Altho what Ray is wearing appears NOT to be a keffiyeh, I have seen people wearing a real Arab keffiyeh as a scarf or head covering on the street.......this is just more anti-Arab B.S., designed to criminalize an entire ethnic group, in this case a group that wears this particular headgear {worn originally by Arab MEN, and not necessarily terrorists or left-wing men!}. This is designed to associate the typical head covering of a certain ethnic group, with "terrorists". And to CRIMINALIZE even the wearing of something vaguely SIMILAR to that ethnic head covering, to have us all checking ourselves in FEAR for every little thing we do, or say, or wear.........
Real sneaky way to make dictatorship acceptable!!! Get us all so nervous about making a misstep......

Thursday May 29, 2008, 11:13 pm

Haha, I have a collection of scarves sent to me by one of my former exchange students. A lovely Indonesian Muslim. They look wonderfully exotic to me and I wear them a lot, especially when doing reviews of Child and Family Services. I've even had offers from others to purchase them. How interesting that they may be considered a mark of terrorists. LOL!

Thank you.

Thursday May 29, 2008, 11:26 pm
This scarf thing is to me over rated! I have many scarves and I see nothing wrong wearing them.I guess we should research everything before putting it on
I do agree that she was not very coordinated that day the scarf simply does not match!A mark of terrorists and so many wear them unknowingly!Well I have learned something of course here on care2 I usually do! Thanks!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 11:29 pm
How totally stupid!

Thursday May 29, 2008, 11:52 pm
Oh give me a break on all fronts. The Fox news commentator is allowed his opinion...no matter how absurd. It's a scarf...doesn't matter how anyone wears it...it's not like it's a swastika. Dunkin Donuts was foolish to pull the ad and the commentator needs an education. [For the record, I'm conservative!!!]

Friday May 30, 2008, 12:45 am
So now we're judged by the choice of our apparel! What an idiotic way of seeing others! But then we're talking about Faux News, aren't we? Anyone who watches this network and BELIEVES what Faux broadcasts is below average intelligence IMHO.
Thanx Linda for posting this absurd story and reminder of the discrimination and mistrust present in the States on a daily basis;
my thanx to BMutiny as well for passing the link along.

Friday May 30, 2008, 1:12 am
Yeah i signed it earlier today...People are sheeple.

Friday May 30, 2008, 1:22 am
I signed, and my short comment-I am still not sure is it part ow worlds paranoia regarding everything what reminds on Islam, or is part of orchestrated and directed brain washing and campaign against everything what is marked in any way as islamic!?

Friday May 30, 2008, 2:30 am
At issue is the black-and-white fringed scarf that Rachel Ray is wearing in the ad.

A Keffiyeh, the scarf worn as a head covering by Arab men of some ethnic groups, is an either black-and-white or red-and-white checked rectangle of cloth, large enough to cover the head and touch the shoulders. It is secured by a band around the head.

Many westerners have bought keffiyehs, both men and women, but wear them as scarves around the neck instead.

They have been briefly popular from time-to-time as a fad. I have seen them worn that way on the streets and on college campuses.

Wearing a keffiyeh may or may not indicate sympathy with the Palestinian cause. Sometimes it is just a fashion.

What Rachel Ray appears to be wearing, has been described as a "paisley" black-and-white scarf. It may be the general size of a keffiyeh. Even worn in a similar fashion to the way some westerners wear a keffiyeh. But it is not one. Major department stores carry ads for scarves just like that. Keffiyehs are fringed, also. Perhaps the "fringes" have influenced fashion designers who are always looking for new things.

This attack on Rachel Ray for her taste in accessories is really venomous; and I HOPE RACHEL RAY SUES THE S--T OUT OF FOX NEWS and does not allow herself to be intimidated by them from doing so!!!!!!!!

I think she would win such a case!!!!! or get an apology!!!!! She is certainly owed an apology!!!!!!!

Friday May 30, 2008, 3:59 am
Dear lord I had to rub my eyes and look again. This has to be satire I thought, but... nope. Wow.

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:26 am
WHO CARES what Rachel Ray is wearing??? I say we all just go naked!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:34 am
LOL Stephanie V!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:55 am
Unbelievable............If Rachel Ray is not cafeful she may have her phone line illegally tapped, and her next show taped from Guantanamo!!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:56 am
Signed and noted

Friday May 30, 2008, 9:43 am
I defintely agree with BMutiny, I hope Rachel sues Michelle Malkin for defamation or for making slanderous comments, just to be able to stop those who feel it's ok to throw around innuendo, remarks and linking people to terrorism.
I've noticed on this Fox news that they love to throw around the words 'anti-American' also. This irks me too - it's just not right to call a person anti-American just because they don't agree with your views (I still have memories of the Dixie Chicks fiasco). Gee, now that I think of it, I am also remembering that "Deck of Weasel Cards' that they used to advertise on that network also - can this be a pattern?
Anyway - thanks Rosa D. - I was more than happy to sign the petition! I also think I am going to start wearing my fringed scarves a little more often - my own little way of protest and reminding people that a news commentator isn't going to dictate what I wear!

Friday May 30, 2008, 10:11 am
It's just a spin 'op'. Op as in oppportunity, spin as in ongoing propaganda campaign. You seize on something that will get a lot of coverage - a highly popular cook show host for example. then you make a fuss about a non issue - wardrobe. It's the pretext - the canvass on which to paint the message you want to put out. Here's the actual message 'murderous Palestinian jihad'. while we are debating whether or not this ridiculous argument about wardrobe has any merit and whether this is really the item of apparel in question (which in some form is worn everywhere in the Arab world - a different set up is being accomplished.

'Murderous Palestinian Jihad' no more exists than a murderous Irish Catholic
trror campaign existed in Northern Ireland for so long. The IRA and the Real IRA were Irish and Catholic. That did not make their campaign an Irish Catholic campaign. Hammas and Hezbollah are from Palestine (& elsewhere) and focus on the issues of Palestine. That does not make their campaign either Palestinian or a Jihad (which has very specific requirements under Islamic law). The IRA, Provisional IRA and Real IRA were the response of a small section of the Catholic Irish population to the blatant injustice, brutality and repression meted out to the Catholic population by the British backed govmt in Stormont. These groups employed terrorist tactics just as the extreme muslim groups do. There were also protestant terrorist groups 'loyalists' whose brutality more than matched the catholic groups but who had inside help (now well documented) from the Nth Irish police and UK secret services. Likewise groups like Hammas and Hezbollah are responding to internationally ignored brutality, repression and ethnic cleansing by the Israeli govmt that justifies everything it does on the basis of its need to defend itself from terrorism and ensure its own survival.

AGAIN one the of basic tactics of spin: if you don't agree with x then you are automatically saying y. So, if you don't agree with George Bush you automatically support terrorism. If you don't agree with Israel's ethnic cleansing program you don't support Israel's right to exist and (are probably anti-Semitic). If you do support Israels' right to exist then you have to support the way that are 'ensuring' it. By bulldozing the homes (sometimes hundreds of years old)of doctors, scientists, writers etc, under the law that says Palestinians must have a permit to build. (If your house is ancient it obviously didn't get a permit to be built from the Israeli govmt!) http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/22/my_name_is_rachel_corrie_a

Israel conducted its own Trail of Tears and the victims are still in refugee camps. These are people whose only crime lies in being Palestinian (Christian as well as Muslim) and in being THERE. The result is radicalization of the population. Radicalization produces terrorist organizations. Given the level of suffering, many arab leaders are unwilling to condemn the terrorists, feeling that it is unfair to do so while the world does not condemn the Israeli govmts terror campaign.

In exactly the same way, numerous US politicians (like Ted Kennedy) refused to condemn the IRA - to the spluttering fury of the British govmt! Not because they condoned bombing civilians but because they did not believe that torture and abuse and random killing were 'security measures' when carried out under a governments orders and terrorism when carried out by any other political group seeking to undermine the murderous government. Thank God spin was in its infancy in those days or we would have had the spectre of the murderous Catholic terror campaign.

So please, please, please pay attention everyone. This is not about Rachel Ray. It is about a suitable canvass for painting the picture of a "murderous Palestinian Jihad" that does not exist. (This is taking the business of blaming the victim to a whole new level.)

Friday May 30, 2008, 10:27 am
noted and signed and commented.

Friday May 30, 2008, 10:30 am
Right wing racisism.

Friday May 30, 2008, 11:48 am
well, NOTED, SIGNED and baffled that Mrs. Malkin can weild such FOX blues-newz bvllsh!t....what a sad state of affairs, sheeeeezz.
rob
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Friday May 30, 2008, 2:35 pm
Oh, Sara, you hit the nail exactly on the head!
It is almost as Cebelica says, an "orchestrated" effort to demonize one billion Muslims who happen to be sitting on top of some oil the U.S. wants. {Tho an effort emanating not from just a single source; I think every "player" in the game knows automatically their role in the propaganda drama.}

Still I think Rachel Ray ought to sue; and I also think there is this ego-element of a mediocre newscaster making far more popular fashionistas and "celebrities" tremble at her barbs, fear her vitriol, run for cover from her acid splashed in their faces!

But, yes, the basic message WAS "murderous Palestinian jihad", which tends to slip under the radar when we are looking at the more obvious visible things.

Rachel Ray, I hope, will NOT allow herself to be victimized -- or it will give Ms. Malkin, and Faux news, a bloodlust for more and more such "random" attacks.

Friday May 30, 2008, 2:45 pm
Well,I believe the idea it is all a load of do do and Fox is definitely wrong and out of touch.Thanks for all the comments it has been interesting!

Friday May 30, 2008, 2:51 pm
Fox Noi$e Network is just getting even with Rachel because she "outted" Cindy Mc$ame's phoney "family" recipe, stolen from Rachel Ray's website.

LOL!

Friday May 30, 2008, 5:29 pm
Noted and signed, tnx for posting Linda, and thank you all for commenting.
This is really a story !

Friday May 30, 2008, 6:13 pm

Oh, puleez . . .

I think these sponsors are now more "dumbed down" than their targetted audiences.

Dunkin' Donuts should start giving those scarves away with every dozen! LOL!

Friday May 30, 2008, 6:52 pm
Signed and noted, i think dunkin donuts are terrorists for selling those cholesteral balls, lol. Thx Linda and BM!

Friday May 30, 2008, 6:55 pm

Too funny, Serge! LOL! *big hug*

(But I think we're talkin' about a bigger "mine field" than the waistline.)

(Still laughin')

Friday May 30, 2008, 6:59 pm
Im with steph go naked...LOL Streakers...LMAO did sign though..

Big Gorilly Hugs

Serge cholesteral balls...LMAO again....

Friday May 30, 2008, 7:08 pm

Ya know, as soon as we let them know we think they're ridiculous -- they'll stop!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:02 pm
I agree maybe I should tell them I'm going to their network with a mob of naked people walking their pets! And throwing donut holes at anyone who mentions the word "SCARF"LOL

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:06 pm
You know did any one notice the beautiful cherry blossoms in the background??I wonder if it is real??? Oh well I think like that when I see those trees it takes me back to when I could go to DC anytime.Oh well the weather is better in Florida MOST of the time!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:36 pm

Well, hell . . .

Had I been in charge of Dunkin' Donuts -- I really would have scoffed at the charges (and passed out the scarves with each dozen donuts).

[Hmmmmmmmmmmm . . . Could this be why I haven't held a management position for some time?]

ROFLMAO!

Friday May 30, 2008, 8:43 pm
Juat...LMAO

Linda..LMAO also..

Big Gorilly Hugs

Friday May 30, 2008, 9:44 pm
After finding more information, it seems that the keffiyeh is also known as a shemagh which is used by US and British Special Ops. in Afghanastan and Iraq. It's purpose-to protect the head, eyes, ears, nose and mouth from the sun and wind driven sand. Also used as a neck warmer or towel.
Would like to see Michelle Malkin get her teeth into that and see just how good her spin is.
BTW- love Sara S. well thought out comment , and also so many others! LOL - yes, they should be handing them out at DD!

Friday May 30, 2008, 11:12 pm
Paranoia runs deep....Sheer insanity. Keith Olbermann featured a picture of another woman with a "suspect" scarf -- McCain's daughter. I can't believe any corporate head took these complaints, generally promoted by that empty-headed twit, Michelle Malkin, seriously. He or she needs a course in common sense, good judgment and strong leadership. Caving in to the right wing fringe lunatics only empowers them and fosters more paranoia. Wonder who they will pick as the next bogeyman...

Saturday May 31, 2008, 4:56 am
Ok, a couple of comments, (and remember, I criticized the commentator and DnD above):

"Dunkin’ Donuts abruptly pulled an ad featuring its pitch woman Rachael Ray after a conservative commentator wrote that the scarf Ray wore in the ad looked like a keffiyeh, a traditional headdress worn by Arab men."

DnD pulled the ad AFTER the comment. Does anyone know if it was BECAUSE of the comment? I checked DnD's website and it is silent on this.

Sara S.:

"Likewise groups like Hammas and Hezbollah are responding to internationally ignored brutality, repression and ethnic cleansing by the Israeli govmt that justifies everything it does on the basis of its need to defend itself from terrorism and ensure its own survival."

So, when exactly did Israel use brutality, repression and ethnic cleansing BEFORE they were attacked instead of responding to an attack? In the last 26 years give or take, that I have cared about world events/political issues, I can recall none. Why don't you refer to Hamas and Hezbollah as using brutality, repression and ethnic cleansing?

"If you don't agree with Israel's ethnic cleansing program you don't support Israel's right to exist and (are probably anti-Semitic). If you do support Israels' right to exist then you have to support the way that are 'ensuring' it."

It is clear you are indeed bias against Israel. Your post only puts them in a negative light. Let me ask you. How many countries has Israel not recognized? How many countries has Israel threatened to wipe off the face of the Earth?

I personally support Israel's method of ensuring its existence. In fact, I feel they are too lenient. I would like to see them warn the Palestinians, giving them 30-90 days, and after that point let them know if any more attacks occur from within their borders and they do not turn the perpetrators over to Israel, that Israel responds ONE HUNDRED FOLD, (or even more). If, after the third time this happens, the Palestinians still refuse to stop it, Israel should wipe out 25 percent of their country. The US should warn any country that attacks Israel will face dire consequences. The U[less] N[ations] organization, you may know it as the UN, should keep their mouth shut. Israel gave fair warning. Not to mention the U[less] N[ations] organization hasn't worked toward putting an end to the attacks on Israel. The arab nations should make sure and help the Palestinians get the attacks to stop instead of criticizing Israel. [By the way, how many of these Arab nations wanted the Palestinians within their borders? You need to go check out the history of the Palestinians.] Do you think this is ridiculous? Well then, let me ask you this...how many times do you think Russia, China, or North Korea, would allow "someone" from within the US to launch missiles at them before they respond if the US government refused to turn over the perpetrators/stop them?

'nuff said...thoughts/response?

Saturday May 31, 2008, 11:21 am
SEE ABOVE ON THIS THREAD AND SIGN THE PETITION:
Tell Dunkin Donuts Rachel Ray Is Not a Terrorist

The LINK is above.

Saturday May 31, 2008, 1:07 pm
Edward -

Just because people don't like the brutal tactics taken by Israel against their "enemies", it does not mean they are anti-semitic. To think that is just plain stupid and ridiculous. Some of Israel's claims as justification for bombing raids seem very far fetched. A lot of the time it almost seems that we are listening to more lies from the Bush Administration. Their claims do not match the news reports - so you don't have to be an anti-semite to form an opinion of who is right and who is wrong. There are many non jewish people on C2 that feel this way. I am not an anti-semite, and have many many jewish friends. In fact, I grew up and still travel in jewish circles, but also have many non jewish friends as well. You should also read the article below, although I'm sure you won't agree with it.

Saturday May 31, 2008, 8:46 pm
Well it seems Edward H. that you need to read a little international history and law.

Prior to international recognition of Israel as a sovereign State (something which I personally support but not in the form and by the methods used), there were Arab Muslim, Arab Christian and a much smaller number of Jewish settlements in Palestine. Jerusalem was administered by the British under an international agreement.

Palestinians in Palestine - apart from the immigrant workers - had lived on the same land for hundreds, even thousands of years. It was their country by international law if not by Jewish scriptural laws. Of course, the Palestinians do not recognize the authority of Jewish religious law over their own and neither should anyone who respects the separation of religion(Church) and State.

The whole world knew that the Jewish Diaspora claimed to be the rightful occupants of large sections of Palestine even though they had not lived there in large numbers for 1900 years. So the establishment of Israel was begun by'immigration' tactics. The Jewish settlers brought in illegal Jewish immigrants in their hundreds of thousands to help establish a Jewish homeland. Of course, the plans for that homeland meant dispossessing many Palestinians to make room for new Jewish settlers. Even after WWII the international community was not willing to sanction that. So the British 'balanced' the influx of illegal immigrant Jews by importing Arab immigrant workers. Armed conflict between the groups - each accusing the other of violence and conspiracy - was basically the result.

The path to the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel and Jewish control of Jerusalem was, in large part, facilitated by what today's leaders have defined as terrorism.

"Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון‎; shorthand for HaIrgun HaTzva'i HaLe'umi BeEretz Yisra'el, הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל, "National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") was a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was established as a militant offshoot of the earlier and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: "The Defense", ההגנה). For secrecy reasons, people often referred to the Irgun, during that time, as Haganah Bet (Hebrew: literally "Defense 'B' " or "Second Defense", or alternatively as הגנה ב), Haganah Ha'leumit (ההגנה הלאומית) or Ha'ma'amad (המעמד). In present day Israel, Irgun is commonly referred to as Etzel (אצ"ל), an acronym of the Hebrew initials.

After the war, the Haganah carried out anti-British operations in Palestine, such as the liberation of interned immigrants from the Atlit camp, the bombing of the country's railroad network, sabotage raids on radar installations and bases of the British Palestine police. It also continued to organize illegal immigration.
On May 28, 1948, less than two weeks after the creation of the state of Israel on May 15, the provisional government created the Israeli Defense Forces which would succeed the Haganah. It also outlawed maintenance of any other armed force.
Famous members of the Haganah included: Yitzhak Rabin, Ariel Sharon, Rehavam Zeevi, Dov Hoz, Moshe Dayan, Yigal Allon and Dr. Ruth Westheimer.
The Museum of Underground Prisoners in Jerusalem commemorates the activity of the underground groups in the pre-state period, recreating the every day life of those imprisoned there.
The Irgun was the armed expression of the nascent ideology of Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. He expressed this ideology as "every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs and the British; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".[1] Initially, a central part of their efforts included attacks against Palestinian Arabs,[2] but it increasingly shifted to attacks against the British. Some of the better-known attacks by Irgun were the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre (accomplished together with the Stern Gang) on 9 April 1948. In the West, Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times newspaper,[3][4] and by the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry.[5] Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare".[6]
Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party. Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977." (Wikipedia)


For the 'terrorists', Irgun and Haganah, they were waging a just and holy war for homeland that belonged to them by right, whether or not international law or the international community recognized that right.

Now, Edward, does that sound at all familiar?

Israel celebrates Irgun hotel bombers
By Harry de Quetteville, in Jerusalem 21/07/2006
In the midst of its campaign against Hizbollah and Hamas "terrorists", Israel has been accused by Britain of feting Jewish "terrorists" whose bomb attack killed 28 Britons 60 years ago today. The accusation, which reopens the debate about the use of politically-inspired violence in the region, follows the unveiling of a plaque commemorating the attack on the King David hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946, by the Irgun Jewish "resistance" to British mandate rule in Palestine. The 28 Britons were among 91 people killed.

This week, former Irgun fighters and current Right-wing politicians unveiled the plaque at the hotel, which read: "The hotel housed the Mandate Secretariat as well as the Army Headquarters. On July 22, 1946, Irgun fighters at the order of the Hebrew Resistance Movement planted explosives in the basement. Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel's occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun's regret and dismay 91 persons were killed."

But Israel's celebration of its "freedom fighters" remains highly controversial at a time when it continues to pound Palestinian "terrorists". Tzipi Livni, Israel's foreign minister, has found herself deeply embroiled in the debate - her father, Eitan, was Irgun's chief operations officer."

So Israel was founded on the same tactics that it now opposes. Once the State was created it continued in exactly the same way, removing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and sending them into the same 'diaspora' which the Jews had suffered, most of them in refugee camps. Then they continued to pursue every policy they could enforce to get rid of remaining Palestinians and from the new Israel. Israel knew too well the danger of allowing disaffected, dispossessed people who felt like strangers in their own land to remain safely withing the limits of the country they held responsible. The danger was an Arab Haganah or Irgun - i.e. Hamas and Hizbollah. People whose homes have been demolished, who have been deported, harassed and literally terrorized by Israeli troops include thousands who have never been involved in anything political in their lives as documented by human rights groups and the UN. People who had lived quietly without political ambition or unrest four centuries. Go check before you comment please.

When one group of people does this to another it is usually called oppression. It results in 'radicalization' Just as oppression of the Jews had resulted in radicalization of Jews. Hamas/Haganah, Hizbollah/Irgun. Do you get that yet?

Now, I have friends in Israel. Many, many Israelis deplore their governments' actions as completely as many of us here deplore Bush and Cheney etc.

But just so you have no excuse to argue for Israel's lenience towards these troublesome Palestinians (which is as honest as Bush invading Iraq "in response" to WMDs after giving Saddam all those warnings to get rid of them!) here's the list. Normally I'd just give you the bookmark but I'm not taking any chances with the truth here.

A List of UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS against Israel
1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.

So Edward, let's be clear. Let's have no more nonsense about Israel only responding to terror. I support Israel's right to exist - but not entirely on its own terms and in the manner in which it has so far chosen to conduct itself. The Palestinians are people with the same human rights as anyone else.

Finally, my ex mother in law and her sister were spirited out of Nazi occupied territory during WWII as small children. The rest of their large family perished in the death camps. She and her sister were raised in a Scottish orphanage as good Christian girls - and never speak of having been born Jews and orphans of the holocaust. They lost everything, identity as well as family, religion, history, culture parents aunts uncles brothers and sisters. Had Israel existed then, at least they would have had what their parents were murdered for - their Jewishness. But my son is alive today because those children were smuggled out and survived. The holocaust is in his bones and his inherited Jewish blood. I take that very personally indeed.

AND if you DARE to suggest again by the merest hint that I am anti Semitic I will block you for personal attack while that functions still remains.

I hope we are clear now.

Saturday May 31, 2008, 9:04 pm
Oh, obviously I should make it clear that I mean I will block wherever and whenever I have that option in future.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:43 am
Oh, My dear,dear Sara. I did not post this to have a small war.Peace is what I
want and if you wish to block me or anyone else that is your option,or for that fact you could block everyone. The fact is there are differences of option.I was told by my Grandmother to stay away form Irish Catholic me being a Irish protestant was the story of the very distant in the past relative who was sleeping in his home when the Catholic came and burnt it with him narrowly escaping with his life. I married a Catholic. Later after left him! So there is no harm this a discussion I do not think anything was meant by it Oh I have a few on my block list it has to be some times I would hate to for you to do that.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:46 am
Sara S.

You go ahead an block me if you want...I don't care. I never, NEVER, said you were anti-Semitic. I said you were bias against Israel. The two are not synonymous. You can dislike what people do and stand for, (BIAS AGAINST them), but not dislike the people themselves, (ANTI them). It is obvious to me that you are bias. If that offends you, block me. It is obvious I am not bias. If that offends you, block me. If you can't disagree agreeably, block me. I won't bother to respond to your other postings...it is clear you don't want a discussion, you only want your opinion...so you win...you have your opinion...

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:48 pm
Linda, I didn't accuse you of anything or suggest that I would block you. I'm very sorry if I gave that impression.

Edward you did not say that I was anti Semitic but you DID say that I "was indeed biased" (sic) as a direct response to the topic of anti-Semitism:

"If you don't agree with Israel's ethnic cleansing program you don't support Israel's right to exist and (are probably anti-Semitic). If you do support Israels' right to exist then you have to support the way that are 'ensuring' it."

It is clear you are indeed bias against Israel. Your post only puts them in a negative light. Let me ask you. How many countries has Israel not recognized? How many countries has Israel threatened to wipe off the face of the Earth?"

So I apologize unreservedly if you did not mean to imply that I was being anti-Semitic. It is true that I am very biased indeed against governments like that of the USA, Israel and Robert Mugabe who commit crimes against humanity and then justify themselves.

I have no interest in opinions per se. I do have an interest in exposing lies, torture, abuse, brutality etc. And in being called 'biased' when I do so.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 3:13 pm
Last comment, I promise! :) Let's be honest about who is biased here...

Israel has a right to exist and a need to protect itself like any other country = *my* position = pro Israel.
Israel has a humanitarian case to answer, documented by more than 50 UN resoluti

Monday June 2, 2008, 11:15 am


Here's an update, they have already gotten 8000 signatures on the petition at ANSWER, please spread this around:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/762209

Thanks
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Monday June 2, 2008, 11:21 am

That is GREAT news, NotSilent! Thanks for letting us know. (I have a share on this as well, and I'd be happy to see many more members do the same.)

Monday June 2, 2008, 4:13 pm
Racist! The whole thing is silly! I like that scarf.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 3:09 pm
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GOD BLESS THE WORLD