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After a Humiliating Election Night, Will Fox News Stop Lying?


Society & Culture  (tags: politics, sadness, dishonesty, politics, news, abuse, ethics, americans, culture, society, corruption, interesting )

Carrie
- 628 days ago - alternet.org
Roger Ailes may finally realize that lying is bad for business -- and the GOP.



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Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 4:41 am
Thanks.
 

Ro H. (0)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 5:18 am
they can't handle the truth!
 

Patrick Donovan (316)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 5:21 am
I agree with Roxanne, they need to live in their fantasy world. Truth is just a five letter word to them.
 

Teresa W. (661)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 5:27 am
I'm afraid it won't...
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 6:29 am

No one will like this - but, on election eve some of us were on a Blog Talk Radio show - in fact two combined shows. Each of us finding the most rapidly incoming data. Someone made a remark about Fox will not report this for days, so I checked on FOX, they were showing the President ahead of all other stations. They might not earn the title news on most days - but they have their moments.

Do they support and feed from the most radical and fringe ideas? Absolutely, I think FOX was in large part responsible for the proliferation of out right lies and totally disingenuous stories about the president and the goals or hopes of the democrats. Yet, we need a fully functioning and mutually cooperative republican party, not everyone in this country thinks the same way, the best most durable policies come from mutual cooperation. Maybe, if Fox were to consider reporting and not creating news with an extreme slant, we might just begin to accept that differing ideas are not bad ideas, just some thing worth pondering. I hope all the chatter about how divided we are just might come down to learning to listen. Our country has functioned well for over 200 years, with bickering and fighting in Congress, only to be finally settled on a compromise - middle ground. Sometimes not in the halls of Congress but on a golf course or in a pub - where the humans and not the politicians, finally talk and resolve issues.
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 8:31 am
Short answer - NO.
 

Thomas P. (468)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 9:41 am
Noted...thanks Carrie
 

Chris C. (147)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 9:50 am
Fox was created to offset the left...so their reporting is to the right. ..and seldom factual.
Yesterday, I spent quite a bit more time watching Fox than usual...it was like watching a comedy! My favorite though was watching MSNBC showing fat-ass Limbaugh sniffling and growling...he REALLY makes me laugh out loud. He used to upset me - now he just makes me REALLY laugh! I also got a kick out of Hannity talking to scary Ann Coulter after the election. WOW - Crazy and Crazier! And...Ann Coulter really does have an Adams Apple.
 

Chris C. (147)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 9:57 am
I was truly amazed at how the people at Faux News were SO surprised at the President's re-election as it was happening. They were really fooled by Rove! They really had no clue as to what was really going on. Again - more laughter on my part. Looked like Rove was calling the shots rather than the newspeople. When they made that newsgal walk to the other side of the building to interview the guys with the numbers...how pathetic that was. And fat-ass Limbaugh's predictions of how much of a landslide Romney would have...truly sad! It's the stuff that makes Saturday Nite Live so funny! I laughed out loud when Joe Scarborough freaked out at how SOON the Prez was re-elected.
 

Chris C. (147)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:01 am
Faux News needs to regroup and become Fox News! Get rid of the crazies and get some real news people and report the news - not try to change it with lies.
The Republican Party needs also to regroup and redefine what it stands for. They need to get back to the days of old when they had some dignity.
 

Gene Jacobson (247)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 12:22 pm
"This suggests that Fox knows it has a misinformation problem. "

Yes, this is true. But, if you check cable network news ratings, you will find Fox solidly in the lead. They may have 86'd Beck, but I don't think they are going to turn into MSNBC, though a few real, fact-checked, actual facts with charts and graphs would be welcome. I suppose. I only see Fox through the MSNBC lens as it is, have no idea where it is on my hundreds of cable channels dial and no intention of finding out. If the Republican party doesn't find a way to shed its extremist element and become a rational force in American politics on its own, well Fox isn't going to be any more relevant, other than as a standing joke, than it has been to now.
 

Elizabeth M. (66)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 2:19 pm
Noted and article read. Thanks Carrie. I qit watching Fox a long time ago because of their misinformation problems.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 4:47 pm
Faux News does try very hard when their audience might be bigger than usual & I agree with Kit - they did project Obama as winner ahead of the other broadcast channels..but will that change Anything from now on? I'm betting - NOT. Posted to Facebook!:)
 

Terrie Williams (761)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 5:44 pm
What Dottie said......

I don't see the Rethugs shedding their reptilian skins for actual cerebral matter anytime soon....it's too big of a ratings draw for them. It is after all what they do best....propaganda.
 

Blackcat Prowl (182)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 8:46 pm
What's wrong with being an {older} angry white person? How come there is a different reaction when Obama does the exact same thing as Bush did? If you are not angry, your eyes are probably closed~ or worse. If one can only see the slant from one side, one is not being honest with themselves. Is there a difference in control if the subject is all that is different? I hope the future brings clearer & more honest eyes to the debate. Stop eating up the propaganda from both sides. Think for yourselves.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 8:48 pm
I don't think so, Carrie. I don't think it was ever their intent to be "fair and balanced." If that had been the case, they'd have an entirely different lineup of on-air personalities and guests. Do any of the mainstream networks take the likes of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin seriously?

According to Wikipedia: "A 2007 study looked at the introduction of Fox News into local U.S. markets between 1996 and 2000, and found that in the 2000 presidential election 'Republicans gained 0.4 to 0.7 percentage points in the towns that broadcast Fox News.' The study's estimates 'imply that Fox News convinced 3 to 28 percent of its viewers to vote Republican, depending on the audience measure.'"

It appears that they have a mission and that they've been very successful in achieving that mission. I just can't see them changing. If they did decide to go in that direction, they'd have to clean house and start from scratch.

Thanks for a very interesting and informative post, Carrie!
 

Jim Lauder (9)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 9:28 pm
I'm getting into this a bit late but I'll put my 2 cents in anyway. And this a bit of a mash-up but what the heck. I care about my cousins. No, they will not change. Neither will any of the other major news machines. This is because they are not providing news. They are part of the entertainment machine, owned by the 1% moneyed elite who have either a democratic or republican agenda to promote. Independent journalism, deeply probing documentaries, interesting programs of other countries, i.e., their successes or problems and their solutions will not be found on US news stations. In fact, US TV news is so self-centered and inward focused, it's difficult for many Americans to imagine that other parts of the world exist that aren't their enemy. This is one result of what is currently called “news”. Another result is that the competing agendas divide the population into one camp or the other, exaggerating the differences by finding more and more extreme points of view. I believe the US is in terrible trouble and even Mr. Obama may not be able to help it turn the corner. Mr. Lincoln said "a house divided cannot stand". I fear that it will be Americans themselves who will destroy the country, not some outside force.
 

Sara W. (110)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:24 pm
Never! They love their lies.
 

Georgia L. (210)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:55 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes It won't change with this creep still involved. He has signed on again until 2016. You find the same slimey charactors in the background going way back. Just look at old photos of Nixon and you find the head Neocons. Although they didn't really like the radical right wing Christians, they learned how to use them.
 

Maureen C. (3)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 11:11 pm
I don't know if Fox was lying, or just living in their own little bubble of delusion and unable to see any reality outside it. People there like Karl Rove and Dick Morris were genuinely surprised at the election result.
 

Robert O. (12)
Friday November 9, 2012, 12:20 am
I wouldn't count on it since they've perfected the art of lying and made it into a science.
 

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jan b. (3)
Friday November 9, 2012, 3:06 am
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States. During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Jane Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so.

Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.

According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)

Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly. (Anybody surprised this happened in Florida?)
 

jan b. (3)
Friday November 9, 2012, 3:08 am
TODAY---Al-waleed bin Talal, friend of News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch controls an influential number of voting shares & News Corp owns Fox News, which is one of the leading sources of mis-information.
 

pam w. (191)
Friday November 9, 2012, 6:16 am
"In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States. "

+++++++++++++ If only they'd be honest up front and admit they're NOT ''fair & balanced"....but, the problem is that so many people WANT to believe the crap they spew!

It's NOT just another "opinion"....it's deliberate distortion of truth.

And...I'm with Chris C....it really WAS fun to watch the clusterfluck when they realized their predictions were wrong and there was NO WAY they could "spin" the Obama victory!
 

Roger M. (0)
Friday November 9, 2012, 7:34 am
Doubt it.
 

Chris C. (147)
Friday November 9, 2012, 9:11 am
Carl Rove was STILL at it late yesterday...blaming Obama for voter suppression! WHAT?????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 

donald Baumgartner (4)
Friday November 9, 2012, 12:41 pm
" Fair & Balanced" MY FOOT!!!!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 12:43 am
will FOX news ever stop lying.....NAW!!!...will HITLER EVER BE INNOCENT!?!...NAW!!!!!mURDOCH OWNS fox news...WILL HE EVER BE INNOCENCT....NAW!!!!.....if you pray, ask your advisor, who to REALLY get the message out.....and turn the crap off...WE have better things to do like petition them down, out..off the airwaves for their blatent lies, that put people in jeopardy...they are playing the freedom of speech, like others play a "racial card"...but they "play" a racial card, when 76% of America could care less what race anyone is, except to enjoy and celebrate the different beauties of each...FOX NEWS IS THE VOICE OF 2012 NEO-NAZIS/ KKK/ JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY=KOCH BROTHERS THAT THEIR GRANDFATHER FOUNDED AND THEY OWN A.L.E.C.AND THE GOP AND CITIZENS UNITED...say NO to the KOCH BROTHERS AND their idea of wolrd domination, Country by Country....they bought Romney, to be able to control USA...thankGod, OBAMA AND MOST DEMS SAY NO TO THEM!!!...AND OBAMA WON, BY US , FOR US!!!!!.......GET READY FOR STAGE 2 OF THE BIGGEST FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES....OUR LIVES!!!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:00 pm
Noted. I think Shelly's got it right...along with the fact of the Arab mentioned by janice b. and the Aussie Murdock are simply trying to destroy America. I use this in the form a question to rightwingnut FuxNoise watchers: "Did you know an Arab & an Aussie are in control of FuxNoise? Kinda dampens their meme, "Fereigners are trying to destroy America" b.s.....Yup!
 
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