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At Last, Obama Becomes First US President in History to Take on Israel for Its War Crimes


World  (tags: Human Rights, politics, Israel, Palestine, Obama, violence, government, ethics, freedoms )

Carrie
- 615 days ago - stopwar.org.uk
For the first time in American history, Obama warned Israel that the US would halt all military and economic aid if it did not stop its 'unconscionable assault' on Gaza. Or did he?



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Jason S. (57)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 1:09 pm
That good for him, someone has too, good porting, thanks
 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1634)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 7:00 pm
Great post! Thank you Carrie!
 

John B. (215)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 10:00 pm
Thanks Carrie for the link to the Matt Carr article. His use of satire to get to the true position of President Obama was masterful. Read and noted.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:45 am
It appears not many are actually reading this article. Thanks John B., for being one of the few who did!
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:06 am
Slanted, rhetorical, and now satire to formulate a contrived scenario. Well, it's creative on the part of that website to say the least! Keep them coming, it's like shooting ducks in a pond.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (378)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:08 am
Thanks Carrie.
 

sheila l. (110)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:11 am
sick, you have it so wrong and upside down.
 

sheila l. (110)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:13 am
that's right blame it all on Israel... did you watch Hamas celebrate as Israel was attacked? Hamas is the hero here, a terrorist organization?
 

Barbara DeFratis (23)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:35 am
"In consequence Obama was ‘fully supportive of Israel’s right to defend itself’. The Peace Laureate nevertheless insisted that he would ‘prefer’ not to see ‘a ramping up of military activity in Gaza.’

And who did the president blame for this ‘ramping up’? Not Israel, but Turkey and Egypt, whose governments have both condemned the Israeli assault. Wise and statesmanlike as always, Obama warned that

‘those who champion the cause of the Palestinians should recognise that if we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza then the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future.’"

Good, Finally, A President who holds both sides responsible and recognizes that both sides have Rights that need to be Honored and Respected.
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:46 am
If Romney had won, G-d forbid, he would have the entire region at war as if things aren't bad enough!
 

Karen R. (87)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:57 am
Good!
 

John Gregoire (257)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:58 am
Pretty misleading headline Carrie!! I guess this was satire but rather poorly done. Works better if one isn't esposing a cause.
 

Judith G. (4)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:10 am
Hamas specifically targets civilians while the IDF specifically tries to avoid civilians(that's difficult due to the population desity in Gaza City) even dropping leaflets urging people to move away from facilities that may be targets. Hamas purposely puts possible targets near civilians so that casualties cause world out-rage. Read the history of the area starting in the last 1800's before you make such claims.
 

Erika M. (202)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 8:17 am
thanks
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:07 am
This is what Obama really said, but you have to waste time digging down to it thru the wishful thinking of this anti-Israeli hate site. But what more would we expect from Carrie who has never seen an Islamic atrocity she doesn't embrace and defend:

‘Let’s understand that the precipitating event here … was an ever-escalating number of missiles that were landing not just in Israeli territory but in areas that are populated, and there’s no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.’

‘those who champion the cause of the Palestinians should recognise that if we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza then the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future.’

 

Dave C. (213)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:39 am
GIVE PEACE A CHANCE....TRUST!!!!!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:59 am
Obama will avenge Jews for leaving Democrats in great numbers. He can continue pressuring Israel as a part of his campaign to pacify Islamists, but this pressure will take another toll during next elections. They of course are not soon, but there may numbers below 69% his successors will be hoping to get.

 

Adam I. (25)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:00 am
Kind appreciations, Carrie; for a second i thought i managed to live long enough to see the beginning of a responsible, reasonable and humane settlement of this conflict.
Alas!
 

Ge M. (216)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:31 am
So, it seems that this article is has a jokey title which Carrie has misunderstood or not read (more likely) believing it to be anti-Israel. Actually, Obama is agreeing with Israel and supporting its right to protect itself.

‘Let’s understand that the precipitating event here … was an ever-escalating number of missiles that were landing not just in Israeli territory but in areas that are populated, and there’s no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.’

‘those who champion the cause of the Palestinians should recognise that if we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza then the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future.’

As for peace, Hamas doe not want peace, it wants to destroy Israel. Arafat refused peace even when offered some 95% of his requests. Note the badge that he wore through the different hate organisations he belonged to. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/mayjun99/plomaps.html

Abbas refuses peace. He says one thing in English and a few days later anti-Israel and hate rhetoric in Arabic.

Abbas’ hate education

Op-ed: While speaking softly, Palestinian leader carries horrendous stick of hate education

Yoram Ettinger
Published: 03.15.11, 18:08

The March 11, 2011 heinous stabbing to death of a Jewish family - while asleep on the eve of the Sabbath - including a three month old baby, a four year old toddler, an 11 year old child and their parents was carried out by graduates of Mahmoud Abbas' hate education. This slaughter was not an anomalous phenomenon.

The slaughter was a derivative of the infrastructure of hate education and incitement via school text books, Abbas-controlled media and Abbas-controlled mosques. It was installed in 1994 by Abbas, then Arafat's deputy, and perpetuated, since 2005, by Abbas, the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority. It is an extension of Palestinian incitement and terrorism, introduced by Haj Amin al-Husseini in the 1920s, and 1,400 years of Arab/Muslim hate-mongering and terrorism toward each other, but mostly against "the infidel."

While speaking softly, Abbas carries a horrendous stick of hate education, which is largely funded by US foreign aid (over $2BN since 2007.) Since 1994, he has brainwashed Palestinian youth, producing manufacturing lines of hundreds of thousands of potential terrorists/suicide bombers.

One's education is the most authentic reflection of one's ideology, vision, goals and character.

According to Prof. Efraim Karsh, Head of the Middle East and Mediterranean Studies program at King's College in London (Palestine Betrayed, Yale University Press, 2010, pp. 255-6), "For all their drastically different personalities and political styles, Arafat and Abbas are warp and woof of the same fabric: dogmatic PLO veterans who have never eschewed their commitment to Israel's destruction and who have viewed the 'peace process' as the continuation by other means of their lifelong war…He (Abbas) described the proclamation of Israel as an unprecedented historic injustice and vowed his unwavering refusal to ever accept this injustice…(There is) no fundamental difference between the ultimate goals of Hamas and the PLO vis-à-vis Israel: neither accepts the Jewish state's right to exist and both are committed to its eventual destruction…."

On August 13, 2009, Abbas – who enrolled in KGB courses and coordinated PLO ties with the Communist Bloc - ratified the resolutions of Fatah's 6th General Conference, which state (article 19):"The struggle shall not end until the Zionist entity is eliminated and Palestine is liberated."

Honoring terrorists

Holocaust denial is promoted by Abbas' school textbooks, such as Modern World History for tenth graders (p.83). Prof. Karsh notes that Abbas' doctoral dissertation, submitted at the Moscow University, and published in 1984 in Amman, "endeavored to prove…the existence of a close ideological and political association between Zionism and Nazism…(that) fewer than a million Jews had been killed in the Holocaust, and that the Zionist movement played a role in their slaughter." Hence, Mein Kampf and the anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion are best sellers in the Palestinian Authority.

Abbas' school textbooks reaffirm the founding document of the PLO, the Palestinian Covenant. It was compiled in June, 1964, aiming at the pre-1967 Israel. Two thirds of the Covenant is dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish State, as a prerequisite for the attainment of Palestinian goals.

Abbas and Salam Fayyad pay condolence visits - and authorize the transfer of monthly allowances - to families of suicide bombers. In February, 2011 they named a soccer tournament in honor of Wafa Idris, a suicide bomber. On January 16, 2010 they named a major square in El Bireh (in addition to two schools and a summer camp) in honor of Dalal Mughrabi, who commanded the March 11, 1978 massacre of 38 bus passengers on Israel's coastal road.

The school textbooks of Abbas – who supervised the 1972 Munich Massacre of 11 Israeli athletes and the March 1973 murder of two US ambassadors in Sudan - idolize suicide-bombing, fuel anti-Semitism and repudiate Israel's right to exist. For example, fifth grade Our Beautiful Language (pp. 26, 31, 32, 36, 70), tenth grade Grammar (pp. 30, 146) and Islamic Education (pp. 42-4, 48, 50) and tenth grade Modern World History (p.64).

On October 12, 2010 Abbas' official TV channel heralded the terrorists who murdered six Israeli civilians in 1975 (Kfar Yuval) and 1980 (Misgav Am.) On January 29, 2010 Abbas' official TV channel broadcast the weekly sermon, referring to Jews as "the enemies of Allah and humanity, modern day Nazis, who must be annihilated."

Hate education is the root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict, which has always been over the existence – and not over the size – of the Jewish State. Hate education on one hand, and peace negotiation on the other hand, constitute an oxymoron.

Japan and Germany were transformed from hateful to peaceful countries by uprooting regimes of hate education; not merely by condemning hate education. To ignore the centrality of hate education, is to reward and fuel terrorism at the expense of peace and Western democratic values.
 

Ge M. (216)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:32 am
Why do human rights groups ignore
Palestinians war of words?

by Robert L. Bernstein

Two dominant forces have defined Arab nations in modern times: autocratic leadership that has denied basic freedoms to its own people, and a deeply ingrained and institutionalized anti-Semitism, centered on a hatred of Israel. Freedom is a growing possibility in light of the Arab Spring, but for this freedom to lead to peace, progress must be made in ending hate speech and incitement to genocide. This is particularly true in Gaza, the West Bank, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran. Yet at this moment of possibility, the United Nations is fueling discord and anti-Semitism.

The United Nations is doing this by granting legitimacy to Hamas, a terrorist Islamic group, and the Palestinian Authority headed by Mahmoud Abbas. A vote to add to the United Nations a new member state that calls for the elimination of its neighbor and glorifies terrorism will make peace harder — not easier — to achieve. While Hamas’s calls for genocide most certainly should be condemned, those who would accept the position Abbas has taken, even as recently as Friday, when he submitted to the United Nations an application for statehood, should be aware of the work of Palestinian Media Watch. The group, an Israeli research institute focused on monitoring the messages of all aspects of Palestinian media, has detailed some of the deception of the Palestinian Authority, even during moments of peace talks. For example, while portraying himself to the West as a man of compromise, Abbas said flatly last October that “we refuse to recognize a Jewish state.”

Most shockingly, human rights groups have become the unwitting accomplices of the United Nations as almost every mainstream human rights group has ignored hate speech and incitement to genocide, not only against Israel but against all Jews. The call to genocide has been accompanied by a sophisticated arms buildup along Israel’s Lebanon border over the past five years, defying Security Council Resolution 1701, which called in 2006 for an end to hostilities between Hezbollah and Israel. Even after the 2009 war in Gaza, particularly since the Arab Spring has opened up the Sinai, thousands more rockets continue to pour into Gaza, circumventing the Israeli blockade.

Human Rights Watch, which I founded 33 years ago, continues to attack many of Israel’s defensive measures during war, yet it says nothing about hate speech and incitement to genocide. To cite just one example, the speaker of the Hamas parliament, Ahmad Bahr, called in April 2007 for the murder of Jews, “down to the very last one.” Imagine what leading human rights groups would say if this same speech and incitement were coming from Israel, aimed at the Palestinians.

Human rights groups, which could be highlighting the crimes of Arab dictatorships against Israel and each other, have instead chosen to focus primarily on Israel. They continually discount the extraordinary steps Israel takes to protect civilians on both sides — steps approved by military experts, such as using pamphlets, phone calls and even noise bombs to scare people away from a location before a bombing — while whitewashing Hamas’s desire to eliminate a whole country as just bluster and meaningless words. One would think that, of all organizations in the world, human rights groups would particularly believe that words matter. Words inform intent and influence action. Words and actions need to be taken seriously, especially when they are sponsored by governments.

The real obstacle to long-term peace is the endless and overwhelming words of hate and incitement to genocide effectively spread to Arabs and Palestinians. One example is the textbooks given to millions of children in Saudi Arabia, distributed in the Arab world and beyond, that label Jews “monkeys and pigs.” This continues to foment discord, radicalism and violence.
The absence of criticism by the United Nations and human rights groups is more than just a lack of judgment and fairness. It is proof that the Arab Spring has yet to thaw the old thinking that has stymied progress toward peace for far too long. There will be no peace between Israel and the Arabs while hatred and incitement to genocide continue. Sixty years of spewing hate won’t be undone in a day. Human rights groups should be leading this battle — not ignoring it.

Robert L. Bernstein, the former president and chairman of Random House, is chairman of the group Advancing Human Rights and founding chairman emeritus of Human Rights Watch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-human-rights-groups-ignorepalestinians-
war-of-words/2011/09/26/gIQAWU5y2K_story.html?hpid=z5
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:49 am
Although I don't trust Obama, his statements were classically political. Carrie, you took a headline I guess thinking Obama was attacking Israel.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:18 pm
Actually Obama is holding both sides accountable. It's a shame that trying to show both sides of an issue is so inexcusable to many of you.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:20 pm
This may to a foreign concept to many of you, but I actually read articles before posting them, so I knew the content. Why do you have a problem with that? The fact that I am not as one sided as you seems to be what you object to.
 

jo M. (3)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:25 pm
Glad he is holding both sides accountable, as it should be. Happy Thanksgiving!
 

SANDRA G. (1)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:59 pm
i am not that great in politics but i want to kno why Netinyahoo is always trying to boss the president around, Why does every other country have to have inspecters to see if they have nuclear anything in their country but Israel doesnt , If they can have them why cant all countries have , because they wont attack you WELL as you can see they will, We should mind our business thay have been fighting over there for thousands of years.
 

faith v. (13)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:38 pm
First of all, Carrie I did read the article and understood it to mean you wish Obama HAD called Israel to account, being the more powerful party in this particular conflict. Agree with you there.

I was struck by what you give as an actual quote: "..... there’s no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders."

Does this mean he doesn't even regard Afghanistan and Pakistan as countries on this earth?
Or does it mean he anticipates retaliation and is preparing the US citizens to expect their due payment of a debt not yet even acknowledged?

Please don't ask me to think he is too stupid to recognise the implications of this comment.
Enough people have spoken about the US bombings; he himself did so when running in 2008 - and drone bombardment is his contribution to peace on this planet.

I agree with him, too. NO COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE TO TOLERATE MISSILES RAINING DOWN ON ITS CITIZENS FROM OUTSIDE ITS BORDERS. (Or from within them either, for that matter.)

Thankyou, Carrie, for bringing this to my attention.
 

Isabelle J. (87)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 4:23 pm
Interesting article but very sad situation !
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 4:57 pm
Gillian, you are 100% right and the world ignores both militant and extremist Palestinian media messages and war crimes and crimes against Humanity that Palestinians commit on a daily basis.

Nobody asked for taking to court Palestinian militants who deliberately bombed Israeli civilians. Nobody. Obama said some words ,but not moved them to action, though he is not a man of action.

The majority of Europeans is already trained to suffer no matter what their or foreign Islamists do in silence.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:38 pm
Talk is talk, and we all know that's the one thing Obama is good at. It's action that he has a problem with, (unless it's for his bankster buddies).
 

Tommy S. (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:17 pm
Poor Carrie (beam me up Scotty)- the delusions of the delusional are ever present -- at least the truth is buried in the article
Five stars to Gillian for a post that is also probably incomprehensible to the delusionists
 

Tommy S. (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:42 pm
U.N. ignored Israel's repeated pleas to act against Hamas rockets, then rushed to stop Israel's self-defense

Twenty times Israel asked the UN to intervene and stop the bombing


3 January 2012
27 January 2012
31 January 2012
3 February 2012
17 February 2012
8 March 2012
11 March 2012
13 March 2012
4 May 2012
17 May 2012
21 June 2012
25 June 2012
18 July 2012
28 August 2012
29 August 2012
11 September 2012
10 October 2012
16 October 2012
24 October 2012
12 November 2012

No doubt the unicellular brains of the delusionists will request recorded delivery proof
The UN is as rotten as Hamas
 

Tommy S. (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:44 pm

link to above
http://www.unwatch.org/cms.asp?id=3614958&campaign_id=63111
 

Carrie B. (305)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:24 am
It is sad that so many in this country have been brain washed by pro Israeli propaganda for so many years that they are not capable of rational thought or compassion for those Israel has persecuted for so many generations.

Both Israelis and Palestinians are suffering because of Netanyahu and those like him.
 

Anita R. (2)
Friday November 23, 2012, 1:21 am
Let's just hope that the brokered peace agreement holds and both sides stop the violence. If it does, Egypt deserves a lot of credit for persistently working toward a ceasefire after the first one blew up (literally) and using what influence it had to get the more powerful nations (USA, Russia, for e.g.) to bring their influence to the table.
 

Stan B. (124)
Friday November 23, 2012, 2:40 am
Yet more crap from an extremely dubious source. It looks as if the satirical aspect was lost on you, Carrie.
 

Esther S. (45)
Friday November 23, 2012, 4:23 am
Carrie, I think you have it backwards. The problem is the fanatic Muslims who have a problem with the fact that there is a country in the Middle East that is not run by Muslims. That is why they don't want Israel to exist. They have been doing all kinds of violent acts against Israel since the time when the current Israeli country has existed. They had attacked Israel with regular wars, terrorist attacks which included bombing school buses, movie theaters, stores, restaurants,etc. Israel had to everything possible to protect their people. On the other hand the so-called Palestinian terrorists deliberately set themselves in the middle of civilians including women and children when they send rockets into Israel. They do this deliberately. Israel then can either not fight back or if they do, the so-called Palestinians will use it as propaganda against Israel. They really don't care if those civilians including women and children are killed because they want to use it as propaganda against Israel. Oh the reason why I refer to them as so-called Palestinians is because many of them were not originally from that area. Many of them were forced to live there even if they were born in some neighboring Muslim country because the fanatics want to use them against Israel. The main purpose is not to have a non-Muslim country in existence in the Middle East. If they get their wish, then they will insist that every country in the Middle East is run by what they consider to be the "right" kind of Muslim. If they got that wish, then they would want to spread that around the world. They are completely intolerant in regards to religion.
 

Adam I. (25)
Friday November 23, 2012, 4:54 am
Precisely, Anita!
In an ideal world, this situation would be comprehensibly dealt with by the United Nations, an impartial (neutral and objective) Security Council and ultimately the Blue Helmets.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Friday November 23, 2012, 6:13 am
The name of this website from which the article is taken should be 'Stop Engaging in War On Us, ISRAEL! Coalition'
It's not unbiased or unprejudiced or balanced. Look for a single article that is critical of Hamas or Palestinians....nope, I can't find one. It's ALL anti-Israel. There are a few 'anti-war' articles. But one cannot be 'anti-war' and take sides in a conflict where force is used. Especially if you think there is justifcation for one side or another to 'defend itself' any more than the other to 'defend itself'.
So please provide a single article Carrie B. from this website about being critical of Hamas or the Palestinians....no time to be silent.
 

monica r. (41)
Friday November 23, 2012, 9:00 am
Carrie,
your fanaticism is showing. It is keeping you from thinking straight. Or maybe you're just willing to sacrifice your own credibility to someone's (your?) agenda? The source you used has been shown to be very biased. I read Kenneth's comment, looked for myself, and he's absolutely right. Not one unbiased article to be found at your source. I know Kenneth to be a staunch supporter of human rights, so I know where he's coming from and trust his motivation to be a good one. What is YOUR motivation?
 

Barbara D. (106)
Friday November 23, 2012, 11:46 am
Like I posted elsewhere, why is Yisrael always at fault (in the media)? Even when the facts are completely distorted as revealed in this story?
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Friday November 23, 2012, 1:46 pm
Noted. IF ONLY he'd actually said that. Yes, I'd prefer that author's initial comments of fantasy to what Obama actually said....from thousands of miles away. It's what a true humanitarian leader WOULD have said. Wondering who's pulling Obama's strings on this matter, or if he's really just come to that conclusion by himself.....
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday November 23, 2012, 6:37 pm
Thanks Carrie, the ironical take on the matter that he chose certainly guaranteed attention.
What he failed to mention, unfortunately, was that Obama in his nighttime phonecall with Netanyahu also promised Israel more funds to help build up more of the iron dome systems. That is the reward for agreeing to the ceasefire deal presented by Egypt, as Haarez reports.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday November 23, 2012, 6:49 pm
Faith v. raises an excellent point there (although I am surprised that this statement from the president was not heard by all). I have been waiting for some reaction from the media to his words regarding that very point.
I suppose Obama is making a distinct difference between "missiles" and drone strikes , how else could he justify his bold statement. Let's not hope that what faith phrases as the second question could ever become reality.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:46 am
I asked of Carrie B. : "please provide a single article Carrie B. from this website about being critical of Hamas or the Palestinians....no time to be silent"
Carrie B. is silent.
Silence means she knows it is not unbiased, unprejudiced or balanced. It is only 'anti-war' as long as it's anti-Israel.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:51 pm
Send a Green Star to Tommy S.

Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Tommy because you have done so within the last week.
 

Yvonne Taylor (41)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 11:25 am
Shared article.
It is about time, USA should not be supporting a government that does crimes against humanity and is such a war monger.
 
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