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Time to Break the Taboo and Say What Gaza Is: A Concentration Camp


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Carrie
- 648 days ago - stopwar.org.uk
It is as if everyone realizes, but will never state, that we are engaged in an elaborate charade, a pageant of gesture and indication, where substance and specific meaning have been banned.



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Jennifer C. (172)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 4:04 pm
Thanks.
 

Robert O. (12)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 8:56 pm
Thanks Carrie.
 

. (0)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 9:14 pm
Yeeesss.!!
 

John B. (215)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 9:52 pm
Thanks Carrie for the link to the Arthur Silber article. Sad to say but his assessment is absolutely correct. Read and noted.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 9:59 pm
What a piece of dawah nonsense.

 

Billie C. (2)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 10:06 pm
hamas is the problem. they are using the people as shields. remove hamas. there is no reason isreal should have to allow weapons that will used on them to pour across the boarder. hamas puts missles next to schools and things in the hopes they can bomb isreal as they wish and not get bombed back. stupid. hamas is the terrorists to their own people.
 

Ros G. (90)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 10:51 pm
Thanks Carrie - sad but true - history does repeat it's self - from abused to abuser
 

Alexa R. (333)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 10:53 pm
Hamas is the one making Gaza a place resembling a concentration camp:

http://news.sky.com/story/1013745/israel-gaza-ceasefire-is-not-there-yet

In a press conference with Mr Ban later, Israel's President Shimon Peres said he would prefer to deal with Gaza by "talking and not shooting" but added that the defence forces were "extremely careful not to hit civilian life".

"Hamas opened it, Hamas can end it," he added.

Six Palestinian men accused of being spies for Israel were executed at an intersection in Gaza, just hours after Mr Ban called for a halt to the conflict during talks in Cairo with the Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby.

Witnesses said the six men were dragged out of a van and forced to lie down in the street before they were shot by masked gunmen.

Sky News chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay, reporting from Gaza, said: "We understand six men were taken into a square ... and were executed in front of crowds."

It has been reported that five of the bodies lay in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"

The Hamas military wing has claimed responsibility for the executions.

Earlier Israel's air force dropped leaflets across areas of Gaza City urging people to evacuate their homes "immediately".

"For your own safety, you are required to immediately evacuate your homes and move toward Gaza City centre," the one-page Arabic-language leaflet said.

Sky's Sam Kiley said the leaflet drop could be part of a propaganda exercise to show Hamas that Israel is seriously considering an imminent ground invasion.

Meanwhile a man identified as the most elusive top Hamas commander, and a founder of its military wing, has urged the group's fighters to keep up attacks on Israel.

Mohammed Deif, seriously wounded in an Israeli airstrike in 2003, reportedly said on Hamas-run radio that fighters "must invest all resources to uproot this aggressor from our land".

Foreign Secretary William Hague told the Commons: "We have made clear that Hamas must bear primary responsibility for the start of the current crisis but also that all side have responsibilities."

"We quickly called on Israel to seek every opportunity to deescalate their military response and to observe international humanitarian law and avoid civilian casualties."
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:22 am
Another post of hate and lies from Carrie. We expect nothing better.

Yes, Alexandra, if Gaza is a concentration camp (oh, please!) then it is the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas dictatorship that has caused it. The Hamas cowards, firing rockets daily into Israel (nearly 13000 since 2000) from school yards and neighborhoods, and sending in suicide bombers to kill on Israel's buses, schools and cafes, broadcasting little children on Palestinian TV reciting poems of hate calling for the killing of Jews and Christians, and the Hamas tyrants trying to force Sharia barbaric law on everyone, persecuting and driving out Christians and torturing and imprisoning gays has turned Gaza into an Islamic black hole of hate and intolerance.

The Gaza Hamas terrorist government kills its own people who don't toe the Sharia line, throws acid in the faces or beats women (non-Muslims too) who don't wear the Islamic sackcloth and is infamously corrupt, stealing large amounts of the welfare the Infidel West pours in to keep these lazy yokels sitting idly on their butts.

If Hamas and the Gazans had invested as much energy into building a civilized society and country as they have in trying to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel, they could have created something like the miracle that the Israelis did. Israel had to take in nearly 1 million Jews forced out from the Muslim countries and they didn't just sit on their butts and whine and take welfare from the civilized world - they made the desert bloom, and produced scientists who have given human kind many things to improve our lives.

What have the Palestinians given to the world? Nothing but suicide bombers and hate and persecution

Gaza and the West Bank are far better off than you willfully blind and hateful leftists want people to know.

Where's your outrage over the terrible human rights abuses by Hamas in Gaza? Where's your outrage over the gay people having bleach poured down their throats, suffering brutal rapes and beatings by your poor victimized Hamas hate mongers, and imprisoned or lynched to satisfy Islam's hatred of them? Where's your outrage over Hamas forcing Sharia's primitive, barbaric law on everyone, bringing back polygamy and the ethnic cleansing of non-Muslims? F*()king hypocrites.
 

Carola May (20)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:38 am
Carrie, you should be ashamed. When are you ever going to get some information to back up your bigotry? Israel is the only free democracy in a region of Islamic hate states who repress and oppress their own people. You conveniently forget that 25% of Israel's population are Palestinians, most of whom polled do NOT want to live in a backward, oppressive, intolerant Islamist Palestinian state. And no wonder.

Here are some articles you should read instead of the usual hate sites you seem to depend on:

CONTRARY TO POPULAR MEDIA MYTHS PALESTINE BUSINESS IS BOOMING:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/dream-of-a-palestinian-tiger-boom-times-in-the-west-bank-a-759046.html

RAMALLAH BOOMING: http://www.thisweekinpalestine.com/details.php?id=3193&ed=185&edid=185

TERRORIST ATTEMPTS ON ISRAEL WE ARE NEVER TOLD ABOUT JUST FOR 2012 THROUGH APRIL: http://www.idfblog.com/2012/05/10/the-2012-terror-attacks-against-israel-you-never-heard-about/ 5/10/12

GAZA’S GROWING BUSINESS - “IF HAMAS IS NOT PROVOKED THERE IS RELATIVE FREEDOM’:
http://www.aish.com/jw/me/Gazas_Business_Boom.html

CORRUPT ISLAMIST HAMAS DICTATORSHIP IN GAZA HAMPERS ECONOMIC GROWTH & FREEDOM - BLACK MARKET AND OFFICIAL CORRUPTION BOOM: http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06-23/hamas-entrenched-in-gaza-after-5-years-of-rule

PERSECUTION AND TORTURE OF GAY PEOPLE:
http://igfculturewatch.com/2002/08/28/israel-palestine-and-gays/

The Palestinian territories - campaign to enforce sharia law, dress code, polygamy, restricting women to homes:
See also: Islamization of the Gaza Strip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_dress_by_country#The_Palestinian_territories

And then there are the actions of the Hamas/Palestinians to make the world think they are such big victims of Israel. Hamas even refused a desalination plant to bring more water into Gaza! They don't want to destroy their victim status so dhimmis like you will stop sending them aid in their conquest of Israel again and their goal to kill all Jews, as Allah commands.

How can you support such bigotry and hate? If the Palestinians acted like civilised people there wouldn't be closed borders and a wall to keep them out. Even Muslim Egypt with all of its hate of Jews and Israel won't open their border to these people. Where is all the condemnation of Egypt? Of all the ranting Muslim states who don't give a thing to support their so-beloved Palestinians (which is a term only invented in the 20th century - before that there has never been such a country or people as Palestine or Palestinians.)

I dare you to read these articles, though I doubt it will change your hard heart. You choose to hate Jews and Israel, the real victims here, and have never seen a Muslim atrocity or hate speech you didn't defend. When are you going to start caring about human rights? Israel has freedom of religion, speech, conscience and press. NO Muslim country, especially Gaza and West Bank, has any of these things, and yet you defend them all. Disgusting.

You probably even cheered with the Palestinian bigots when the bus was bombed in Tel Aviv yesterday and 21 innocent people, including children, were ripped to shreds.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:43 am
Hate and lies? How about truth and sadness for all of those in Gaza and Israel who are suffering because of the war mongering Netanyahu.

I have no patience for those who post hate filled bigotry instead of looking at what has been going on since 1948. Perhaps all of you filled with hatred toward Islam should take a history lesson. Hamas exists only because of Israel, and by the way, Hamas is not Palestine, nor the majority of Gaza.

The hateful comments I see here are just reinforcement for why Netanyahu needs to go before he starts WWIII, which seems to be his goal.

You seem to have forgotten about the innocent civilians on both sides who are suffering because Netanyahu wants to provoke a war with Iran.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (379)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:44 am
It's sad how misinformed some of the people are! haven't they learned from past experience who the Israelies are dealing with here? Not only Israeli experience but all nations which have to deal with Muslim terrorism!! It's true that Israel made some mistakes along the way and that I wish we hadn't occupied these territories which brought about so many problems for us but the Palestinian peoples plight cannot be blamed solely on the Israelies!!!
 

caroline s. (79)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:47 am
Yes, Carrie, you are right : innocent civilians on both sides are suffering because of Hamas and Netanyahu. This is so sad.
 

Lee Hampton (15)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:55 am
Most Gazans are Egyptian, first of all, even by their own accounts. Remember that for a long time, Gaza was annexed by Egypt.

Secondly if the supposed love of the Arabs for their "poor Gazan brothers" was so real, then LET THEM MOVE BACK TO EGYPT of ANY OF THE OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES. The ARAB COUNTRIES are the places where there are refugee camps, where Gazans ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASSIMILATE. Lovely brothers, true love.....

True brothers would let their brothers into their homelands, let them get jobs, homes, insurance, help them integrate. Well, not Arab brothers. No that would not serve their purposes well, because the truth is that outside of their hot-headedness and saber-rattling, they really couldn't give a crap about Gazans.

You'd think that the thousands of Syrian Arabs who have been killed in the Syrian conflict would raise at LEAST as much of a stink as a few Gazan (formerly Egyptian) Arabs, but no. Palestinians count about 500:1 in media coverage to Syrians of all stripes. What a fraud.

No matter what way you cut it, it boils down mostly to antisemitism. If Gaza was filled with only termites, other Arab countries would cry and pull out their hair (for their cameras) that Israel was occupying Termite Land.

Well, if only the Jews had been INCREDIBLY FORTUNATE enouth to have had "concentration camps" like the Gazans do with their many beautiful hotels, spanking brand new Gazan shopping malls, gold trading, beautiful new super markets.

Anyone who calls Gaza a "concentration camp" is either incredibly stupid and ignorant, and/or an antisemite with a vicious knack for lying and perpetrating hatred very close to the propaganda of Nazi-vintage.

Probably most of the other countries in the non-Western world wouldn't be able to believe their incredibly good fortune to live in such a "concentration camp." Many Arabs don't have it as good as the Gazans.

And a Taboo???? The obscene Concentration Camp comparison excrement has been going around for YEARS!

It's time to cut the propaganda garbage and actually be honest about what Gaza is: too crowded from all the Gazans who listened to Yasser Arafat's call to wage war in the bedroom! All these people have literally been screwing themselves!

And now they're not so comfortable having had astronomical amounts of children who bear children who bear children. Not surprisingly, they're facing the same sort of overpopulation problems like their Egyptian brothers -- and I do mean that they are very closely related in a number of ways.

When the Israelis pulled out of Gaza, did the Gazans destroy all the viable businesses that the Israelis left them and choose to take a proactive, healthy attempt at building their own economy? No they chose to destroy the things that would make them - and any country - normal, and instead chose to horde weapons, accept billions of dollars to do what? Buy more weapons, teach their children hate, to become terrorists, put suicide belts on their little ones. These people are psychopaths. NO ARABS WANT THEM IN THEIR COUNTRY. THEY KNOW THEY ARE PSYCHOPATHIC.

Time to call it what it is: obscene, stupid, assinine, grossly distorted and deceptive propaganda. Taqiyya is what they do best.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:58 am
Again I say, it is so sad that so few have read or even contemplated reading the history of this region. Giana, who should be blamed if not those who stole there land because the UN said it was OK.

How would we in the US feel if the UN, backed by other countries decided to give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and many other states to the Native Americans (who, by the way have a more legitimate claim than the Jews who stole Palestine)? We would have fought kicking and screaming, but because of the world wide guilt felt because of the holocaust, everyone sat back and watched this abominable behavior. Now, everyone is so surprised that the Palestinians are and have been justifiably outraged!

Read your history books before you condemn others!
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:00 am
That's right, Lee. Israel offered Gaza to Egypt and even the Egyptians didn't want them back. Egypt dropped their own responsibilities to their literally own family members. So much do the Egyptians really care for their brothers....

 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:02 am
Sorry, but Israel is an illegitimate "state" allowed to exist because no one else wanted the Jews who wanted to leave Europe, and everyone felt so much guilt that displacing a few Arabs was of little consequence at the time.
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:10 am
Carrie, you need to read your history and not out of antisemitic hate sites.

The State of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process by the United Nations. It was not created out of Palestinian lands, but rather out of the Ottoman Empire, which had been ruled for 400 years by the Turks who lost it when they, fighting alongside Germany, were defeated in World War I. There were no “Palestinian” lands at the time because there were no people claiming to be Palestinians, but rather simply Arabs who lived in the region of Palestine.

It was only after World War I that the present states of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq were also created – also out of the Turkish Empire by the British and French victors. Jordan was created on about 80 percent of the Palestine Mandate, which was originally designated by the League of Nations as part of the Jewish homeland. Since then, Jews have been prohibited from owning property there.

In 1947, a UN partition plan mandated the creation of two states on the remaining 20 percent of the Palestine Mandate: the State of Israel for the Jews, and another state for the stateless Arabs. But the rulers of eight Arab states did not want a non-Arab state anywhere in the Middle East. Thus they rejected the UN arrangement and simultaneously launched a three-front war of annihilation against the newly created state of Israel -- on the very day of its creation in 1948. Israel begged for peace and offered friendship and cooperation to its neighbors. The Arab dictators rejected this offer and answered it with a war, which they ultimately lost.

A state of war in the Middle East has continued uninterruptedly ever since, because most of the Arab states have refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and have refused to recognize the legitimacy of the Jewish state. To this day, the Arab states and the Palestinians refer to the failure of their effort to destroy Israel as Al-Nakba -- The Catastrophe. What for one people was a joyous founding, was seen by the other as a disaster.

Had there been no invasion of Israel by Arab armies whose intent was overtly genocidal, there would have been a state of Palestine in the West Bank and Gaza since 1948.

From 1949 to 1956, Egypt waged war against Israel, launching more than 9,000 attacks from terrorist cells set up in the refugee camps of the Gaza Strip. The 1956 “Sinai campaign” ended Egypt’s terror war, even though U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower forced Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion to return the Sinai to Egypt without a peace treaty.

But the Arab war continued on other fronts. In 1964, Yasser Arafat began a campaign of terror whose avowed goal was the destruction of Israel and the genocide of its Jews. Sponsored first by Kuwait, and later by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, and Iran, Arafat declared unending war against Israel until all of “Palestine” would be liberated, redeemed in “fire and blood.”

In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel for a second time and were again defeated. It was in repelling these aggressors that Israel came to control the West Bank and the Gaza strip, as well as the oil-rich Sinai desert. Israel elected not to annex these territories it had captured from the aggressors, but neither did it withdraw its armies or relinquish its control over the region because the Arabs once again refused to make peace.

In 1973 the Arab armies again attacked Israel. This invasion was led by Syria and Egypt, abetted by Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and five other countries that gave military support to the aggressors. Israel again defeated the Arab forces. Afterwards, Egypt -- and Egypt alone -- agreed to make a formal peace.

In 1987 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) initiated a violent, six-year Intifada (uprising) directed against Israeli soldiers and civilians alike, after false rumors of Israeli atrocities had circulated through Palestinian territories. During the first four years of the uprising, Palestinians carried out more than 3,600 Molotov cocktail attacks, 100 hand grenade attacks, and 600 assaults with guns or explosives. These actions resulted in the deaths of 16 Israeli civilians and 11 Israeli soldiers, in addition to the wounding of more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 Israeli soldiers.

In 1993 the Oslo peace process was initiated, based on the pledge that both parties would renounce violence as a means of settling their disputes. But the Palestinians never followed through on this pledge. During the so-called "peace process" -- between 1993 and 1999 -- they perpetrated more than 4,000 terrorist attacks that resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 Israelis. During this same period, Israel gave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza a self-governing authority, a 40,000-man armed "police force," and 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded. But Israel's efforts to achieve peace were in vain. In 2000, the Palestinians officially launched a new, second Intifada against Israel, effectively terminating the peace process.

 

Lee Hampton (15)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:11 am
Carrie is a sadly misguided Dhimmi.

 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:14 am
Comments from Alexandra, Carola May, Rob and Jay, Bob A., Lee and those of that ilk have no validity because of their obvious long standing bigotry and hatred of Islam which have been demonstrated by numerous comments on numerous posts for many months. What you say means nothing to those of us who think rationally and look at history. You do nothing except show your inferior intelligence and prejudice when you make the type of comments you have made here. It is a shame you have no compassion for your fellow man.
 

Jane Mckenzie (20)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:22 am
Why do successive US governments always back Israel? There is no easy solution but this is not the way. You can't be just on one side if you are trying to broker peace.
 

Lee Hampton (15)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:27 am
Comments from Carrie B and those of that ilk have no validity because of their obvious long standing bigotry and hatred of Israel/Jews which have been demonstrated by the numerous stupendously ignorant, skewed, biased, and outright lies and propaganda on numerous posts for many months.

What you say means nothing to those with any honesty and rationality and an objective look at history.

You have demonstrated your inferior intelligence and overt prejudice and your penchant for demagoguery and simple-mindedness.

It is a shame that you side with the bullies, and show no compassion to a country besieged by far more vicious and violent bullies, with whom you identify.

Your compassion and tolerance is based on ignorance and tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Jihad is EVIL.

Learn about it, Carrie.
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:32 am
Well, Jane,

It's one of those crazy things about democracies. They tend to support each other and historically don't go to war with other democracies.

Have you looked into the intransigence of the Palestinians, their links to the Nazis and Naxi propaganda and the Hamas charter? If you have, you'd know the answer to your question.
 

Stan B. (124)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 2:02 am
This rubbish must qualify as one of the most racist threads ever to appear on Care 2.
Any comparison between Gaza and a Concentration Camp, whether figurative or literal dishonours the memories of the millions of innocent men, women and children who were slaughtered by the Nazis.
Perhaps Carrie can answer the following questions.
1. Where are the cattle trucks in Gaza?
2. Where are the crematoria in Gaza?
3. Where are the sadistic guards with vicious dogs in Gaza?
4. Where are the doctors who performed inhumane experiments on young children in Gaza?
5. How many starving people are there in Gaza? By all accounts they have a major problem with obesity.
6. How many rockets and missiles were fired by Concentration Camp inmates at their captors?

I could go on but I won't. This thread would be more appropriate on David Duke's web-site.
Carrie you've shown your true colours. Are you a Holocaust denier as well? I don't know how people like you can sleep at night!!!!
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 2:13 am
Carrie - change your brand of wacky bakkie - your present one transports you to a different dimension.
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 4:11 am
Within days of the revelations of WW2 Nazi mass murder camps surfaced amongst the citizens of the USA and the UK, there were people attempting to excuse the genocide of European Jews by digging up the tired old Zionist theories that “Jews had to be stopped as they were taking over the World”. These were added to along the way by claims that Jews who defended themselves against Arabs in any way were acting like “Nazis” and had created “Concentration Camps” and were committing “Nazi acts of Genocide”. Is the writer of this source article, Mr Arthur Silber, a Hitler apologist or is he just plain dumb?
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:20 am
Carrie, you say "Hamas exists only because of Israel, and by the way, Hamas is not Palestine, nor the majority of Gaza. "

Oh really? They were elected by a 'majority' of Gazans, you seem to forget. Hamas exists because it is an Orthodox Islamic group and Islam teaches hate toward all Jews and demands Muslims kill them all or their Day of Resurrection will not come. It is a Muslim Brotherhood hate group.

Here is what Hamas says in its charter:

''Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)'

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

[T]he Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)((related by al-Bukhari and Muslim - Bukhari:V4B52N177 ).)

(Article 8) of the Hamas charter, reads: “Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”

Their(Jews) scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.' (Article 32)

Now who is the hate monger there? Hamas and Islam's hateful teachings is the reason for Israel's need to protect itself, and it took thousands of rockets into their homes before they finally retaliated.

Are all Palestinians warmongering hate mongers? No, no more than all Nazis were. But where is your outrage and condemnation of this Islamic and Palestinian hate? Israel doesn't have little kids on TV reciting hate poems about killing Jews and Christians. Palestinian TV does. Israel doesn't send suicide bombers to blow up buses, cafes and schools. The Palestinians do. Israel has freedom of religion, speech, conscience and press for all, including their large Muslim population. The Palestinian occupied territories do NOT.

Israel doesn't persecute gay people and torture, imprison and lynch them. Palestinians do. You need to get some perspective to tone down your hate. Just look at the Muslim ruled countries and not one of them has freedom of religion, speech, conscience or press. That is what would happen if the Muslims were to conquer Jerusalem again, as they did before. Is that what you really want? For Israel to descend into that darkness?
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:32 am
Carrie you talk about ' It is a shame you have no compassion for your fellow man."! Where's your compassion for the Jews and the Israelis? Hate hate hate.

Your ignorance on any subject dealing with israel and Islam and Hamas etc etc etc is appalling, yet you do nothing to enlighten yourself other than dwell on hate sites.

Israel has been home to the Jews for thousands of years. They founded Jerusalem and built their temple there 3000 years ago. Muslim invaded in the 7th century and occupied and ruled it for a long time, even desecrating the Jew's holiest site, that temple mount, by deliberately building their Dome of Rock and al Aqsa mosque, and by destroying the Christian's holy Church of the Holy Sepulcher built over the tomb Jesus was laid in. They even hacked out the rock of the tomb to destroy it. This was the cause of the Crusades - Muslim occupation of Jerusalem, slaughter of Christian pilgrims and destruction of Christian holy sites.

Muslim Arabs are the invaders and occupiers of Jerusalem and Israel. Israel and Jerusalem are mentioned in the Old Testament long ago. There is no mention of Islam or Muslims. And the mention of the so-called Palestinians is of the Philistines, which is what they were called until the 20th century.

Even the Arab Muslims know the 'Palestinians' are a make-believe people they've made up solely for the purpose to fool people like you:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
-- Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw in 1977
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:34 am
The article is absolutely chock FULL of rhetoric. Can citizens leave Gaza? If so, it isn't a concentration camp. From what I've read Hamas has fired 11,000 rockets at Israel since 2005. Couldn't all that money have been spent on the improvement of Gaza? Do any Gaza citizens help fund Hamas with their money?

Patricia Martin's account seems to be unbiased.
 

monica r. (41)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:34 am
Carrie, Angel of Untruth,

If America was to give Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona back to anyone, a more fitting analogy would have been to give it to Mexico.

Anyone who is even partially literate knows that the indigenous people are the first victims of islam any place it goes. Copts, Tuareg, and so many others are crushed, robbed of their culture, and marginalized in their own territory. They must convert and adopt the islamic monoculture of shari'a, or die. So you can compare it to oppression of Native cultures in America, but then the oppressors are islamists, not Israel. Oops.

Tuareg musicians in Mali are RGHT NOW having their instruments smashed or burned and told all their fingers will be cut off if they dare to play another note. Why? Shari'a forbids music. And Carrie, when's the last time you spoke to a Copt? I spoke to one face to face less than a week ago. They are being horribly persecuted, and again islam is the source of that persecution.

The director of the Red Cross says there's no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. In fact Hamas is on video saying the same thing. The people of Gaza are being oppressed by their islamist handlers. Their leaders have huge foreign bank accounts choked full with humanitarian aid money funneled out of Gaza. Israel and the rest of the world can give money and do whatever but the situation won't change because the Gazans ELECTED leaders with a vested interest in the political power of victim status, and the financial gravy train of humanitarian aid they are stealing from the people there. Israel can't help that the Gazans elected corrupt leaders who make the Gazans targets by firing rockets at Israel.

Carrie, if the people of Manhattan started firing rockets at New Jersey, I'd fully expect New Jerseyans to put up security walls, try to limit the weapons going into Manhattan, and if it continued, eventually respond in kind. You just can't tease out reality from your blind hatred of Jews to see the real situation in Gaza.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:39 am
BTW you bet we criticize Islam for its teachings and commands of hate and violence and conquest. If you were a true human rights activist you would too. Islam has more verses of hate toward Jews in its holy trilogy than Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'. Where is your criticism of that hate?

Islam commands the killing of those who criticize or leave it, and gay people and rape victims, along with 'adulterers' (usually only the woman, of course). And you defend this? What kind of person are you? And you condemn those who oppose this hate and call us haters???? It is you and all those who defend and promote this ideology of hate, oppression and arrogance that are the haters, the opponents of human rights, the appeasers of murder.

As a gay couple who have spent our lives working for human rights we certainly do oppose Islam's commands for our deaths, and your defending this doctrine of hate and murder makes you just as guilty. Just as hateful. Decent people everywhere should see you and those like you for what you really are - appeasers and apologists for hate, violence and oppression. You should at least care about women's rights because under Islam you have very few.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:18 am
Quote...Gaza is a concentration camp. It is not like a concentration camp. It is not a metaphorical or figurative concentration camp. It is a concentration camp...Unquote ROFL

Delusion brought about by imbibing too much camel urine --enough to give you the hump
 

Frans Badenhorst (551)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:35 am
it is worse than you think..
 

Ge M. (217)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:51 am
Carrie, you show absolutely no knowledge of the history of the Middle East, specifically Israel. The UN merely ratified the League of Nations determination that Israel is a legal entity. This speaks for all countries including the Muslim controlled ones.

I have also shown that another story that you uploaded is totally incorrect, Gaza is not occupied by Israel and this is confirmed by the UN, Hamas, international law and agreed with by Palestinian leaders. If you had any knowledge of the area you would have known that. Please see my comment in http://www.care2.com/news/member/827551733/3488934

 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:53 am
This is a stretch. The Palestinians wanted Gaza. Now they have it. They know they never get along with Israel. They know if an Israelian loses so much as a finger nail that thousands will be killed and everything they own will be completely destroyed.
 

Ge M. (217)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:54 am
From an article dated 2010.

Facts about Gaza

FACT: Israel left Gaza 5 years ago displacing 11,000 of its own people. Gazans elected Hamas as their legitimate government. Why is Israel still responsible for the conditions in Gaza?

FACT: Over 1 million tons of aid have entered Gaza in the last 18 months. This is equivalent to 1 ton for every man, woman and child.

FACT: The average life expectancy in Gaza is 73.7 years. In Turkey, it is 72 years. Infant mortality in Gaza is 17.7 per 1,000. In Turkey, it is 24.8 per 1,000.

FACT: Israel has suffered a barrage of over 10,000 rockets from Gaza in the last 8 years.

Facts about the Blockade

FACT: In 2002, Israel intercepted 50 tons (100,000 lbs.) of weapons on the Palestinian Authority freighter Karine-A

FACT: In 2009, hundreds of tons of arms from Iran to Hezbollah were uncovered in a raid off the Israeli coast.

FACT: The PURPOSE of the blockade is to stop Hamas from getting weapons and building smuggling tunnels and bunkers to KILL Israelis.

Facts about the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto

FACT: Gazans are NOT being sent to the gas chambers by Israelis. They are not stripped naked in front of their children, neighbors, soldiers and strangers and made to place their garments in neat piles. Their hair is not being shaved off to be used as mattress filler. The gold is not being extracted from their teeth. They are not being injected with deadly diseases and subjected to cruel psychological tests. Their children are not being taken from them and having their skulls smashed against rocks or shot in front of them. They are not being forced into slavery until they die of disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, a bullet to the head or the breathing in of poisonous gas.

FACT: Unlike the Warsaw Ghetto, Gazans were not rounded up and forcibly herded into Gaza. They were not surrounded by a wall topped with barbed wire and controlled by armed guards who could shoot at will. Gazan food rations do NOT average 186 calories per day and 25% of its inhabitants have not died of disease and starvation within the last two years.
 

Ge M. (217)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:02 am
I would also point out that the Gazans suffer dreadfully, they have markets full of food, they can buy and run cars to take them to the water park, luxury spas, 5* hotels, shopping malls where the shops are full of goods, the zoo or restaurants with haut cuisine.

Definitely not like the Warsaw Ghetto where Jews were starving, had cramped accommodation and guards who regularly killed and abused Jews for being Jews. They did not have much food, no shopping malls, nowhere to swim, no restaurants, no hotels and no water park.

In fact, these virtually unarmed Jews held up a brigade of tanks for a week at the request of Churchill (for Americans, he was the prime minister of the UK during WWII). This helped change the tide of WWII. All of these Jews died for people whose children and grandchildren insult, lie about and belittle their relations. Their descendents do not exist so that you could have peace.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:41 am
According to the article, the defining feature of a concentration camp is that an external power controls all borders, controlling everything that passes in and out.

The Vatican, recognized as a sovereign state and not technically a part of Italy, is apparently an Italian concentration-camp. Yeah, good job trying to redefine terms there. It is no more a concentration-camp than Palestinians are refugees. The only way to make the claim make sense is to change the meaning of the words. This reminds me of an article I read recently, which focused partly on "Colour-Blind Racism", redefining "racism" to include the belief that the primary determining-factor in a person's success is his or her own cunning, work-ethics, social behaviour, etc.

As for the terrible crime of imposing conditions which lead people to slow deaths, I think I can one-up every criminal who has ever lived: I sentence you all to mortality. Yes, I shall kill you all very, very slowly, so that in about a century-and-a-half, you will all most assuredly be dead. Life-expectancy in the Gaza Strip, despite all of the violence that primarily strikes at the youth, is over 74 years. It is almost two years lower in Vietnam, which is not, by all reports, currently the victim of any crime. If you're living longer than people without external interference do, then you are not in the process of being murdered. There should be no circumstances under which that statement needs to be made.

I read beyond that point for some reason, and found silliness about the "hell to which they [Gazans] are condemned". Starving Egyptians prayed, for years, for such a hell. No, Gaza is not nearly as comfortable as any developed country, but that's what poverty does. How about Somalia, then? By the article's logic, it would be less sadistic to just kill every man, woman, and child in that entire country to spare them from a hell much worse than that of Gaza. I thought this was supposed to be "stopwar.org", not "genocideisfun.org". After that, I ran into the "innovative torture" of easing sanctions followed by an Egyptian hostile reaction to the murder of its people. Yes, of course, it is a totally arbitrary act, to react harshly to murder.

I could go on about how, by the priorities imposed under modern-state system, the system which gives refugees refuge and is the primary obstacle to tyranny, it is more important to stop an enemy' violence than to protect innocent lives, but the article had already reached the crux of the whole argument: The author honestly believes that one should just turn the other cheek when facing violence, no matter the scale, no matter the target. I don't really think somebody should beat him up, but having the police "turn the other cheek" when he reports the crime might teach him a few things, especially if the same assailant comes back the next week and does it again, and again, and again, and does the same to his entire family.
 

Adam I. (25)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:46 am
Thanks, Carrie; "truth shall set you free" as a saying goes.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:06 pm
Christer Nordahl, deputy director of the U.N. agency in Gaza,
enumerates the reasons that the United Nations believes Gaza is facing a humanitarian crisis: 40 percent unemployment; 50,000 homeless; 800,000 dependent on food aid; 80 percent of the population living below a poverty line of $2 a day.

He says 100 new schools are needed urgently, with no construction materials to build them because Israel fears they could be used by Hamas for military purposes.

Nordahl argues that preventing Gazans from rebuilding their shattered infrastructure does nothing to enhance Israel's security. As for the militants, they have other means of rearming.

"The tunnels that exist between Gaza and Egypt do allow anything to be smuggled in. If somebody wants to bring in something that shouldn't be here, there is no problem for them to do that," he says.

Meanwhile, Gaza construction workers are left to pulverize rubble and rocks, trying to create enough material to rebuild a tiny fraction of what the Israeli military destroyed in past conflicts. It's back-straining work, and it leaves little time at the end of the day to wonder if this international uproar will be the one that finally changes things for the better.
The last Israeli military operations in 2008-9 left 50,000 people in Gaza homeless; the impact of the past week's bombardment is still uncertain, but it is certain to be heavy. Add to that, over 4,500 people are packed into every square kilometre of Gaza, making it one of the most densely populated places on Earth.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 12:09 pm

Even British PM David Cameron calls it an "open air prison"
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:02 pm
It is a shame that so many commenting here have truly missed the boat. For some reason showing any compassion for the Palestinian people is quite objectionable to you. But then showing compassion for any in the middle east except Israel is unacceptable to you.

All people on both sides are suffering, but perhaps those unfortunate in Gaza have been suffering more and for far too long. Israel needs to back off its inhumane treatment of Palestinians before peace of any kind is accepted.
 

jo M. (3)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:15 pm
Both sides must accept responsibility for their actions. Happy Thanksgiving to all!
 

Vicky P. (463)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:12 pm
Thank you for posting these Carrie, don't listen to these idiots
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:27 pm
Hi Christine :)

Unfortunately, the fears of misuse of construction-materials have already been realized. Even restricted to pulverizing and rebuilding from rubble, the reconstruction does not all go towards alleviating the poverty of the area. Here is what Gazans have built with what construction-materials they could get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaJAYYj552E&feature=youtube_gdata
I have a thread on the topic, and disastrous implications of this particular construction, here:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/453465501/3487943

David Cameron may have called it an "open air prison", but that no more makes it so than my calling Gaza "The World's Biggest McDonald's" would make it that.

Hi Carrie,
I do have compassion for many people living in Gaza. Unfortunately, at this point, the choice is not between war and peace. It is between an unending low-intensity war, and a short, high-intensity war. If Israel backs off too much, Hamas rearms and regains confidence in its violent approach, and any progress made towards peace gets introduce to the pipes below the toilet. This is exactly the sort of thing that has gone on for decades.

What irritates me about labelling Gaza a "concentration camp" is that it is an insult to those who have actually been trapped in such things, and even worse, it demeans the term to the point where the risk of the troubles associated with such things is significantly increased. This is a matter of "crying 'wolf'". Here's a good analogy: The term "racism" is so badly overused and redefined to such breadth that it has lost all meaning to me. hearing that some people or groups are racist, I don't know whether to condemn them for bigotry or congratulate them for irritating the sorts of people who call everything they don't like "racist". I have heard that the EDL is a dangerous racist group, and while that would once have convinced me that they were a problem, reports of such racism no longer mean anything to me. It has become far more difficult to recognize true dangers from racism and now, if some country starts forcing its minorities into real concentration-camps, reports of that may be ignored too. Never mind the danger posed by the claim, in the article, that Israel "sentences a huge number of people to death": Perhaps one day, with all of this "crying 'wolf'", I may find myself congratulating perpetrators of genocide because those reporting it will have forfeited all credibility. I would really rather avoid that.

It is because I have compassion for victims of war-crimes and tyranny, Palestinian, Congolese, Malian, and others, that I am disgusted by many of the claims in the article. Palestinians should be helped, but misidentifying the problem not only dooms any efforts to help them to failure, but also harms efforts on a much larger scale.
 

Ge M. (217)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:31 pm
Carrie, according to you support for the right of Israel to exist and protects itself means no compassion for Gazans. If we show you the truth you ignore it because you hate Israel and Jews and cannot conceive of their suffering and rights. I have yet to see you condemn any abuses against non-Muslims and Muslims, the murders, rapes, abuses, acid throwing - the stories go on and on and are documented in many sources.

It seems to me that the person who missed the boat, and everything else, is you.

http://www.sayyestopeace.org/Teaching%20Hate.asp

Teaching Hate

"Say Yes to Peace" means that peace must be taught. However Palestinian media, school books, religious sermons, children's television shows, and official PA pronouncements are saturated with hatred for Jewish people and for Israel. Maps in Palestinian classrooms and school books do not show Israel, but instead identify places like Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jaffa as Palestinian cities. Radical Islam teaches that the Jewish State is on sacred Muslim land and must be eliminated. Hamas, the Palestinian leadership in Gaza, remains committed to its founding charter which calls for the obliteration of Israel and spreads this message through the government controlled media in Gaza. Terrorism against Jews is glorified as noble, and public squares and sports teams are named after notorious terrorists. On March 11, 2010, the Palestinian Authority [PA] named a Ramallah square in honor of Dalal Mughrabi, the leader of the worst terrorist incident in Israeli's history. Thirty-eight innocent Israelis were murdered in the 1978 attack. In January 2006, PA president Abbas announced he would continue the PA policy of paying suicide bombers' families with annual stipends.

It is deeply disturbing that countries all over the world have not yet condemned the incitement to hatred and murder of Jews in Palestinian society.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:41 pm

They make up facts and have the audacity to then call them facts. Jeez, what crowd of lunatics.

Enough has been posted about this, the facts are on display. Yes, of course, Hamas is a terrorist group. That however, does not change the welfare nor well being of those in Gaza.

"The Gaza Strip is home to a population of more than 1.5 million people, including 1.1 million Palestine refugees.

For the last decade, the socio-economic situation in Gaza has been in steady decline. Years of conflict and closure have left 80 per cent of the population dependent on international assistance. The tightened blockade, imposed following the Hamas takeover of Gaza in June 2007, has decimated lives and livelihoods, resulting in the impoverishment and de-development of a highly skilled and well-educated society. Despite adjustments made to the blockade by the government of Israel in June 2010, restrictions on imports and exports continue to severely hamper recovery and reconstruction." -- The Jewish Virtual Library

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/unrwa6.html

That does not even begin to consider that these children born into generations of deep poverty, limited education and surrounded by decay and depression, are stuck. You really think a bright healthy mind can come from that?

Good article, Carrie. Ignore the pack mentality, one tiny little brain that leads them to a watering hole. They have think-the-same mentality. Don't critique the government of Israel, just praise them.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:43 pm



Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Carrie because you have done so within the last week.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:43 pm
"Israeli spokespeople have over-saturated American media outlets with factually inaccurate talking points that continue to go unchallenged by anchors and journalists," (from an excellent article by Yousef Munayyer) & then get spewed back out on some C2 threads.

Give us a break! How boring, all these stereotyped attacks & characteristic misinformation!

If you want to talk about baseless propaganda, just watch a video of Netanyahu's shameless speach to the US Congress (who gave him shameful standing ovation after shameful standing ovation) !
Israeli journalist Gideon Levy (@Haaretz.com) wrote up a seething critique of it appropriately entitled, "Netanyahu's speech to Congress shows America will buy anything"!

excerpt:

" .../...

Only rarely is a foreign head of state invited to speak before Congress. It's unlikely that any other has attempted to sell them such a pile of propaganda and prevarication, such hypocrisy and sanctimony as Benjamin Netanyahu did yesterday.

The fact that the Congress rose to its feet multiple times to applaud him says more about the ignorance of its members than the quality of their guest's speech. An Israeli presence on the Jordan River - cheering. Jerusalem must remain the united capital of Israel - applause. Did American's elected representatives know that they were cheering for the death of possibility? If America loved it, we're in big trouble.

The fact that the only truth spoken in the Capitol was that of a former Israeli shouting "equal rights for Palestinians" is a badge of honor for us and a mark of shame for America. Netanyahu's "speech of his life" was the speech of the death of peace. .../..."

Stop reciting your well-learned & well-memorized parrot talk, your needles are stuck in the same old groove! Take a look at what is really going on & try to inform yourselves, take other views into consideration. It's only by moving beyond narrow doctrine & blind ideology that progress towards peace can be made. I mean Peace with Justice!

 

Ray Shaw (13)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:45 pm
Hamas is not the problem. Israel/Netanyahu is.
 

Ray Shaw (13)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 4:08 pm
Israel started this latest fiasco by murdering a legally elected Hamas leader. The Hamas rockets followed, quite understandably, a few hours later. If you believe all the rubbish published in US mainstream media you would likely believe that propaganda. But if you surf the web you will find that US mainstream media lies profusely.
 

Hadschi Halef Omar (9)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 4:30 pm
BIG STYLE " Concentration Camp " , great invention! much more effective and thus cheaper than old-style KZs where the inmates were still err treated in a more personal way.
==
Gaza --one of the most densely populated areas(*) -- tortured by airstrikes, targeted killings, and total economic warfare -- not only the worlds largest prison, with most of infrastructure destroyed ... the inmates are stacked like cattle in a railcar! -- and " caged like animals, subject to constant random sadistic punishment, only to humiliate them, no pretext... Israel and the US keep them [barely] alive [except those they murder, that is] " -- Prof. Noam Chomsky on DN! (11/2012)

*) Gaza_strip:
Population, 2011 estimate: 1,657,155 (en.wiki)
Area: 360 km**2 (nationmaster.com AND verified on map)
=> pop.density = ~ 4,600 humans/km**2 (as elsewhere only in cities)

 

Alexa R. (333)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:07 pm
Kit B. (293)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 3:41 pm

Yes, of course, Hamas is a terrorist group. That however, does not change the welfare nor well being of those in Gaza.

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If this was not the very grave situation it is with lots of people's lives at risk, both in Israel and in Gaza due to Hamas, your comments would have been reason to laugh ..

What you say are along the lines of 'allow the rapist(Hamas) free access to the neighbour's house(Israel), if not, then the neighbour(Israel) is solely to blame for the condition of the rapist's family(Gazan citizens)’ !!!

I would indeed like to see Israel do a lot more for the people of Gaza, rather than just closing the door and leave the neighbour's family to the whims of the rapist .. but that does NOT make Israel the rapist!!


 

Alexa R. (333)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:10 pm
One of the problems is, that although Gazans are the highest receiving per head people of international aid, their leaders, Hamas is using that aid for their own use and for weapons, not for the benefit of the Gazans ...
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:17 pm
If Israel had not let legitimate Palestinian grievances & legitimate Palestinian rights fester like an open wound for decades, the Palestinians in Gaza would never have elected Hamas.

I personally do not particularly like Hamas, but I can't help but notice that when Arafat was the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, Israel, then too, rejected him as an acceptable negotiating partner. He too was 'a terrorist.'

The Palestinians, I can appreciate, were fed up with across-the-board dismissal of their legitimate grievances and the systematic refusal by Israel to come to the negotiating table with a true willingness to find a just and lasting peace agreement. The issues of Jerusalem & of the issue of the return of the refugees from 1948 were always left for 'later'! This weakened Arafat & the Palestinian authority and was responsible for some Palestinians' disenchantment & disillusion with their historic hero & spokesman.

The Israelis purposely allowed the emergence of Hamas as a political force, calculating that allowing the rise of Hamas would weaken Arafat's Fatah. They created a political force to divide Palestinian unity and then rejected Hamas as an acceptable negotiating partner.

Everyone is screaming & yelling that Hamas is to blame for the Gaza blockade & the end of the peace process, but when Arafat was thePalestinians' legitimate leader, the Israeli govt saw no better strategy than to invade his West Bank compound & trap him in his govt HQ. The Israeli military attack against Arafat in Ramallah could only discredit him & signal his weakness. Humiliating him & his Palestinian Authority was not a very intelligent strategy.

Now that everyone has taken up Israel's claim that Hamas is the boogie man, have they all forgotten that the very same strategy was used against Arafat? ABC reported from Jerusalem on March 29, 2002 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80044&page=1), on the first day of Israeli 'Operation Defensive Shield' (that lasted from 29 March–3 May 2002):

"Declaring Yasser Arafat "an enemy," Israeli forces launched a massive attack on his West Bank compound today, trapping the Palestinian leader in the biggest offensive against him since the current intifada began.

Fueling speculation that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had started an endgame to oust the Palestinian leader, Israeli troops broke into Arafat's West Bank headquarters in Ramallah and were reportedly fighting his guards in room-to-room battles.

As night fell on the tense streets of Ramallah, five Palestinians and one Israeli soldier were killed, about 25 of Arafat's guards were wounded and at least 60 Palestinians were detained hours after Israeli tanks and bulldozers smashed through the perimeter of Arafat's compound, punching holes through which Israeli troops entered the premises.

Israeli troops had taken over the top and bottom floors of Arafat's office building, with the Palestinian leader trapped on the floor between. Palestinian aides said although the 72-year-old Palestinian leader was unhurt, he was in personal danger.

According to Palestinian aides today, the Palestinian leader was in a closed-in ground-floor room when Israeli shells began hitting his main office on the third floor."

He was a prisoner in his own HQ!

Now Hamas is 'the enemy'! And a whole people of a tiny enclave are trapped as bombs rain down on them. Whole families of non-combattant civilians are annihilated, journalists' premises are attacked, & the relentless justification is that there were Hamas combattants in the area!

Israel must stop their short-sighted strategy of always refusing to deal with their Palestinian adversary
The Palestinian problem is not going to disappear! And war, attacks & assaults will not bring a just & lasting settlement, no matter how well Israel justifies her military violence.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 5:41 pm
Speaking of Hamas: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=170181


NEW YORK — Mosab Hassan Yousef, who helped Israel's security forces kill and arrest members of the Islamic militant group Hamas, is probably marked for death.

He should be keeping silent. But he's got a story to tell, one he delivers in his new book published this week, "Son of Hamas."

"To be honest with you, being killed is not the worst thing that can happen," he said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press. "If they want to do kill me ... let them do it, and they will be responsible for my blood."

In his memoir, Yousef, the 32-year-old son of a Hamas founder, claims he was one of the Shin Bet security agency's best assets and was dubbed The Green Prince, a reference to his Hamas pedigree and the Islamists' signature green color.

During his 50-minute interview, for which he arrived with armed security, Yousef criticized Hamas leaders including political chief Khaled Meshaal. He lashed out at Hamas, saying the organization lives in the Middle Ages.

And he hurled his most inflammatory comments at Islam, which he called a religion that teaches people to kill.

"It is not a religion of peace," said Yousef, who converted to Christianity. "The biggest terrorist is the God of the Quran. I know this is very dangerous and this will offend many people. The more you follow the steps of the prophet of Islam and the God of Islam, the more you get close to being a terrorist."

Yousef said he started working with the Shin Bet after he was arrested and witnessed Hamas brutalities inside prison. When he was released in 1997, he started meeting with the Shin Bet and gravitating toward Christianity.

Yousef thought he could do some good, preventing the deaths of Israelis and Palestinians.

"I got a chance to stop killing," he said.

In his book, Yousef clearly relished his importance to Shin Bet and even designed his own missions, one involving duping Meshaal, who lives in Damascus.

"I love this spy stuff, especially with Israeli intelligence paving the way," he wrote. "In this way, a new communications channel was established with Damascus, even though Meshaal had no idea that he was actually on a party line with the Shin Bet listening in."

Yousef said Hamas has no idea how Shin Bet operates and accused Hamas of killing innocent people suspected of collaborating with Israel.

The US government considers Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas says it provides schools and other social benefits to residents in the areas it controls.

Yousef declined to discuss certain aspects of his intelligence relationship with the Israeli security organization, saying he didn't want to hinder its operational capabilities and give Hamas a "free gift."

"They're facing a dirty, difficult war," he said, referring to the Shin Bet battles with Hamas. "I don't agree with everything that they do. But their job is very important."

His relationship with the Shin Bet lasted for more than a decade until he decided he'd had enough. He ended his lonely and dangerous existence as a spy in 2007.

Yousef said the Israelis allowed him to leave the region for a few months to take a break from his harrowing job and travel to America, where he stayed, working as a security guard at a grocery store.

When he told his story to his new friends in America, people didn't believe him. But folks seem to be believing him now. His father, a senior Hamas leader, disowned him Monday.

Sheik Hassan Yousef said in a letter that his family had renounced "the one who was once our eldest son, who is called Mosab."

The son "disbelieved in God" and "collaborated with our enemies," said the father, who's serving a six-year term in an Israeli prison.

Mosab Yousef said he didn't take it personally.

"I know his heart," Yousef said. "My dad is a loving person. He would never disown me. At some point we will be together again. I love my father, and he loves me."

Yousef blamed his father's decision on the Quran.

"The God of Quran is trying to unskin Muslims from their humanity," he said, later adding, "Muslims are good people. But their God is absolutely bad."

Yousef's claims have rocked Hamas and exposed its vulnerability. His book comes on the heels of the assassination of a top Hamas operative in Dubai in January. Yousef denounced this latest killing in which Israel has been blamed and said the timing of the book was just a coincidence, not some Israeli scheme to generate even more paranoia among the ranks of Hamas.

Israel has not commented on Yousef's claims or on widespread speculation that it carried out the Dubai assassination.

Asked about why people should believe his book, which was displayed at a Manhattan bookstore's Christian inspiration section, Yousef said: "I am not expecting everybody to believe this story. Some people will doubt it."

Yousef said Hamas had no idea how to govern and he hoped the violence between the Palestinians and the Israelis would end. He said he thinks his traitorous efforts will pay off.

"A change," he said, "will happen for the next generation."
 

Freya H. (305)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:16 pm
People are afraid to admit this because Israel is a sacred cow, and people who criticize Israel are promptly branded anti-Semites or even Nazis.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:35 pm
Freya, you are quite right. Just as I have been branded here. Why so many want to blame one faction for all the wrongs and suffering in the middle east is certainly not being honest to the reality of the situation. Nor is it right or fair to all those innocents suffering.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:37 pm
Carrie you are a Brave Heart who cares about truth and the suffering of those caught up in this mess caused by the gr$$dy sector who would steal your eyes out of your head if they could figure how to get away with it.. And then they would blame you for going blind..

My way or the highway ambassadors of nonsense care not for truth. It muddies their self-serving lives..

Kit you are so there..I really love your heart and spirit my friend. Thank god for some reasonable comments..
Hadschi, Ray, PeasantDiva, Vicky, Adam, Christine,

This Israel drama has become a never ending story because powerful people know how to play underhanded games and then turn the blame away from themselves..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Miko Peled Seattle. Oct. 1, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:39 pm
Miko Peled: The General's Son @ Revolution Books, NYC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zTTqkUgGj0&feature=related
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:39 pm
Peasant Diva is right. Hamas is the product of Israeli persecution of the Palestinian people.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:44 pm
Miko's Blog

http://mikopeled.com/
 

Carrie B. (309)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:45 pm
Thanks to all who have commented here using facts and their own intellect and conscience instead of believing all of the propaganda we, in this country, and much of the world are continuously fed.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:49 pm
@Bob: Yup, we could all endorse Shin Bet's acquisition. You've fond an entirely veritable source, unlike UN and a bunch of NGOs.



 

Ray Shaw (13)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 8:13 pm
Thanks for the interesting comments except those from Alexandra who appears to be living in a dream world of total unreality.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 8:28 pm
11,000 rockets fired at Israel since 2005, by Hamas, who situate some of themselves and their various militants in Gaza, protected, hidden, supported, helped, by probably not a few Gazan citizens....where's the ethics in 11,000 rockets? Those whose mantra is peace, peace, peace, no matter the provocation why isn't it all communication from Hamas instead of 11,000 rockets....and terrorist bombings, suicide bombings...?

As for 'concentration camp', I'd say the author of this article should be put back in time into Belsen-Bergen etc. in WW2 where if he was human at all he would get down on his knees and cry at the difference...anyone just needs to view actual video of those actual concentration camps and compare them with modern Gaza in 2012. Forget the rhetoric and words and LOOK.

And as Stephan Brian has said elsewhere, all anyone has to do anymore is change the definitions and meanings of words to fit their own agenda, to support their own viewpoint such as everything from this article's website does.

Btw, the author of this article formulating a contrivance that 'it is taboo to call Gaza a concentration camp' is just that----contrived and formulated. It isn't 'taboo'. Who says it's taboo? Malarkey. .
 

Jelica R. (157)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:21 pm
Number of Israelis killed by rockets in 2012 before Pilar of Cloud: 0! (yup, zero).
Number of Palestinians killed by IDF in 2012 before Pilar of Cloud: 65! (sixty five).

Makes you wonder. If you tend to think, it is.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 9:28 pm
Definition of "Concentration Camp":

1. A camp where civilians, enemy aliens, political prisoners, and sometimes prisoners of war are detained and confined, typically under harsh conditions.
2. A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
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(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a guarded prison camp in which nonmilitary prisoners are held, esp one of those in Nazi Germany in which millions were exterminated
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 10:11 pm
It is disheartening to come upon a thread such as this, post after post of zionist propaganda(ZP). ZP is broken up into easy to learn sound bites: Hamas uses human shields, uh, actually Israeli soldiers have been photographed using children to enter danger zones first.
@Kenneth L. "Btw, the author of this article formulating a contrivance that 'it is taboo to call Gaza a concentration camp' is just that----contrived and formulated. It isn't 'taboo'. Who says it's taboo? Malarkey"
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Wrong Kenneth, it is your post that is Malarkey - who says it's taboo? Try asking Helen Thomas, try asking Goldstone of the Goldstone report, before he was coerced by shunning & the threat of not attending his grandson's bar mitzvah into changing the report on war crimes during cast lead, ask Richard Falk, UN person overseeing the situation in Israel and OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES,
Ask Rick Sanchez, ask Judge Napolitano, ask Michael Schuerer(sic) CIA guy, who caused Bill Maher's jaw to drop to the ground when he said "Israel is not worth one more American tax dollar or one more American life."

Ask former president Jimmy Carter, when he published "Peace, not Apartheid" how taboo was the word apartheid?
You Kenneth are the one full of hot steaming hasbara.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:24 am
The minute Israel was created in 1948 - the aggression from the Arab territories started. In 1967 Israel captured these territories fair and square and has controlled them ever since. Israel did not start any war and has been obliged to overlook the safety of its citizens from the constant attacks of terrorism and rocket bombardment. Israel will not lightly cede these territories back to the Palestinians or Hamas unless a permanent ceasefire can be entered into. So why is it Carrie - that you - and people like you - do not see the wood for the trees? Why bother posting such a biased piece of gobbledygook - and misinformation?
 

Carrie B. (309)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:38 am
Ah yes, 1948 when the world community backed by the UN allowed Israel to be created by stealing land from Palestine, there has been a problem. What a surprise, Patricia and Edw! Unfortunately, you overlook the aggression of Israel in all of this.

As far as this post being biased, you should take a good look at the world around you and stop accepting the propaganda being fed to us on a daily basis like baby food an infant must accept or starve!
 

Stan B. (124)
Friday November 23, 2012, 2:27 am


Under the leadership of MK Shai Hermesh, the World Jewish Congress Israel has hosted 600 children from towns in southern Israel, including Sderot, Kiryat Gat and Gan Yavne, at the Biblical Zoo in Jerusalem. The children, who live in a 40-kilometer radius around the Gaza Strip, have been gravely affected by the constant and ongoing rocket attacks from Hamas and other groups in Gaza. They have been unable to attend school, see their friends, or enjoy the normal moments associated with childhood. Their daily routines have been destroyed by the constant need to find a bomb shelter.

The aim of the action - which was organized in cooperation with the Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council - was to give the children a few hours of relief and allow them to enjoy a visit to the zoo and eat lunch with their friends. They were entertained by the team of the WJC's Jerusalem office and by Israeli rapper Kobi Shimoni, better known as Subliminal, who came to support the children and their families. He took photos with the children, handed out signed CDs and autographs.

Shai Hermesh, chairman of the World Jewish Congress Israel and a resident of Kibbutz Kfar Azza near the Gaza Strip, stated: "These children are the silent victims of the conflict. Some live under daily repressed tension and stress. It is our duty as parents to help them alleviate this stress any way possible, including days outside the range of fire. On behalf of the members of the World Jewish Congress around the world, I am proud to take part in this important initiative and express the solidarity of the world Jewry with the children of Israel - all Jews are responsible for one another."

This is what a truly caring society does for its children. It doesn't train them to be suicide bombers.
Palestinians take note.





Letter by Member of Knesset Shai Hermesh

Dear World Jewish Congress Family and Jewish Community Leaders,

As I write this letter, a ceasefire has taken effect. Over the past week, IDF soldiers have waged a difficult battle against Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists in Gaza. The last few days have seen the peak of the terrorist warfare against Israel, declared by the radical terrorist organizations - the fundamentalist Hamas and Islamic Jihad - the offshoots of Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

As a member of Kibbutz Kfar Azza, situated less than a mile away from the heart of Gaza City, we have been under the constant barrage of rockets and mortars falling in our yards and homes over the last 12 years. In addition to the loss of human life, thousands of our children in the town of Sderot and the kibbutzim around the Gaza Strip have found themselves in constant dread and anxiety that have resulted in serious trauma.

You all probably recall the tragic day when the terrorists did not shy away from launching an anti-tank missile onto a yellow school bus that was driving local children back to their homes.

The reality that we live in became truly unbearable and the government of Israel was required to act in a way that would restore quiet to the residents of the area and security to our daily lives. IDF soldiers were sent on a state mission to restore safety to us, the citizens of the southern Israel.

Over the past week we have been asked to remain in safe rooms and bomb shelters, while the heavy fire of Russian-made deadly Katiusha rockets and long-range Grad missiles was raining on large city centers in the South.

This time, however, the Israeli air force, alongside other IDF units, attacked and destroyed them. Their targets were the home bases of terrorists and the terrorists themselves, who have sent their people in to hurt us. This is a difficult struggle and the threat will not go away overnight. It takes an enormous effort and great bravery to restore our and our families' safety.

The pictures you have undoubtedly seen in the news casts in your countries are not pleasant or comfortable to watch, as they reflect a real war.

However, please remember and explain as loudly as you can that IDF soldiers, unlike the terrorists, do their utmost to avoid hitting innocent civilians. The terrorists, on the other hand, do not hesitate to fire missiles from inside schoolyards, mosques, civilian homes, soccer stadiums and even hospitals!

If by chance innocent civilians were hurt in Gaza, then they were the victims of terror that does not shy away from using any means necessary – even at the expense of its own innocent civilians.

We, the people of the southern front, in Sderot and the neighbouring villages along the frontier, stand strong and determined under fire, confident that one day soon quiet will be restored to the Negev region - the land envisioned by David Ben-Gurion.
 

Stan B. (124)
Friday November 23, 2012, 2:37 am
Just for the record, can anyone tell me how much of the billions of dollars they have received in foreign aid, Hamas has spent on building bomb shelters for the people of Gaza?
My guess is not one cent.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 23, 2012, 3:15 am
Spot on Stan. Exactly!!

 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 23, 2012, 4:56 am
PeasantDiva, your anti-Semitic bias is shocking!

Both Israelis and Gazans have legitimate grievances, NOT just Gazans! Jews have been living in the Gaza area for over 3500 years! And because Gazans wanted an area that is Judenfrei, ALL Jewish people living there had been evacuated from Gaza in 2005!

When people compromise, both sides don't get all they want. Israel first had to exchange half of the British ruled area to Jordan for peace with Jordan, then Israel exchanged areas for peace with Lebanon, then Israel exchanged land for peace with Egypt, then Israel evacuated and exchanged Gaza and part A of West Bank (Part B of West Bank is still under negotiations). Each time Israel had to evacuated every single Jewish home from these areas as all of these neighbours wish to live in a place that is Judenfrei.

While this area was under British rule, and before that under Ottoman empire and before than under Crusaders and before than under Rome and before that Israeli kings .. none of these asked or expected for every single Jewish family to be evacuated!

This idea that it is a legitimate request to expect an area to be Judenfrei has only been since the Nazis .. most other peoples have realised that Jewish people are an asset to a country and welcome them within their midsts and have no problem being a neighbouring country to them either.

Unless supporters of terrorism like you and the leaders like Hamas realise that compromises need to be made from both sides (NOT just Israel), this evil war will continue ..
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Friday November 23, 2012, 6:37 am
Jelica R., no Gazan is confined to Gaza. As far as I know they can leave. Israel could be probably considered by some a 'concentration camp' too since having 11,000 rockets fired on your country might constitute extremely harsh conditions to live in. But then any Israeli can leave too.
Gaza City has a sports stadium, many universities, there are Gaza beachfront resorts, hotels, small scale industries.
Most of this stuff is metaphorical. The vast majority of people using the term 'concentration camp' equate it with the Nazi camps of WW2. There is no end to which metaphors can be stretched regarding anything.
The website this stuff comes from is 'Stop the War Coalition'. They actually mean Stop The War Israel that you are waging against us Coalition'. Try to find a single article on that website that is critical of Hamas or Palestinians, in it's subject title.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 23, 2012, 7:07 am
Spot on Kenneth. Any Gazan can leave Gaza freely. Many do. One of our biggest shopping malls in Rishion letzion is owned and managed by an business man from Gaza. He frequently travel between Israel and Gaza to look after his business.

Yet, what does he get from Hamas? Pockets targeting the area where his shopping mall is..

What does he get from Israel? Support for his business, the right to own a shopping mall in Israel, etc, etc.

Israel would love to live in mutually beneficial peace with its neighbours..! Jihad is NOT Israel's way..

 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday November 23, 2012, 8:17 am
There are always two sides to every story - and no winners in any war. There are human beings on both sides here, both sides suffer in one way or another.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Friday November 23, 2012, 9:00 am
Dear Carrie: Thank you for your valiant efforts at educating the folks here. We in the US have been so inundated with misleading zionist/Israeli/Jew propaganda that it's hard for the truth to shine through the mud & slime inflicted by the occupiers of Palestine.

Alexandra R. "Any Gazan can leave Gaza freely." You are either grossly misinformed or a commentator paid by the Jewish state's dept. of Hasbara to divert threads, diversion is the name of this Jewish game, - look at my left hand so I can rifle through your pockets with my right hand. Look at the carnage in Gaza while we undermine Al Aqsa demolition neighborhoods and ethnically cleanse Jerusalem, and make war on unarmed innocent children.

Israel doesn't want peace - this is so well validated that I marvel at the boldness of your lies.

By way of deception Israel makes war - the Mossad motto. There is also the Sampson Option, where if Israel 'feels' threatened, they will suicide and try to take as much of the world with them as possible.

The zionist project is failed, time to dismantle, disarm and discard this racist tyranny. This was over sixty five years of a bloody colonial experiment that has accomplished nothing but massive humanitarian catastrophes.

I definitely support no more financial/military aid to Israel, unless they comply with the law, end their occupation, return and compensate the refugees for the horrific injustice Israel has condoned & practiced under their racist ideology of Jewish supremacy.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Friday November 23, 2012, 9:54 am
"PeasantDiva," I'm told, "your anti-Semitic bias is shocking!" --

Well, let me tell you how far I am from anti-Semitism: my maternal grandmother was a Rabbi's daughter! My mother, at the age of ten, fled her homeland- which had become Nazi Germany- with her parents just two and a half months before Kristallnacht.

I consider my grandmother to have been a collateral victim of the Holocaust, because after only 6 years after their escape, she contracted a incurable disease, certainly due to the trauma of having had to leave the only world she had ever known, a peaceful rural village, where she'd taught a couple of generations of primary school children; due to the culture shock of being in a strange, perhaps frightening place (NYC) where she didn't know any of the codes; the culture shock of no longer being the well-known & well-loved village teacher, but becoming an anonymous cleaning lady working nights at a hospital; perhaps, too, the trauma of what Germany was doing to Jews throughout Europe.

She died before I was born & my greatest sorrow is that I never knew my Jewish grandmother. I would love to have been able to hear her voice and get a hug from her! I would have loved to ask her how much she knew in 1938 & then later, in the early 1940s, about the Nazi's Final Solution.

I don't think she was a dogmatic kind of person. Afer all, she married a Goy! But tactfully waited until her parents died of old age before doing so, so as not to shock them! She was not a young bride!

I grew up watching 'Exodus' through tear-filled eyes! But my emotion has not prevented my logic from starting to see what is going on with Israel's calculated proscrastination in coming to a meaningful peace agreement. It has no prevented me from being outraged by the continued building of settlements on the West Bank or the ever-increasing Israeli settler violence against Palestinian farmers.The unending campaigns of home destructions, the shocking murder of of Rachel Corrie!

My background, you see, has made me particularly sensitive to the plight of refugees, and to people being discriminated against and hated for what they are: anti-Semitism is a form of racism and there is so much racism in too many Israeli atitudes towards Palestinians. There is such callousness in Israel's positions & actions towards Palestinians!

There are certainly anti-Semites among the many people who defend Palestinian rights, but recognizing and defending Palestinian rights are not in and of themselves anti-Semitic. And think of the Israelis who are peace activists in all those NGOs that the Israeli government wants to muzzle, like Peace Now or the Refusers! Are they, too, anti-Semitic because they don't accept your Israeli govt talking points?

Don't you remember Daniel Barenboim's speech to the Knesset when he accepted the Wolf Prize? Now THAT is a man of courage and humanity!

Daniel Barenboim’s statement at the Knesset upon receiving the Wolf Prize, May 9, 2004: "Can the Jewish people whose history is a record of continued suffering and relentless persecution, allow themselves to be indifferent to the rights and suffering of a neighboring people?" Barenboim asked in his speech. That's exactly how I feel.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday November 23, 2012, 10:28 am
Statistics Palestinians killed
The statistics are nicely charted here:

http://ifamericansknew.org/

See especially this page:

deaths by year

"95%" is my own crude attempt to average the following figures:

2011: 8 Israelis killed and 91 Palestinians killed -- 8% and 92%
2010: 9 Israelis killed and 82 Palestinians killed -- 10% and 90%
2009: 9 Israelis killed and 1034 Palestinians killed -- 1% and 99%
2008: 35 Israelis killed and 887 Palestinians killed -- 4% and 96%
2007: 19 Israelis killed and 385 Palestinians killed -- 5% and 95%
2006: 23 Israelis killed and 665 Palestinians killed -- 3% and 97%

If we start counting at 29 Sep 2000, we get the following figures:

* Israeli children killed by Palestinians: 126 (8% of 1,602)
* Palestinian children killed by Israelis: 1,476 (92% of 1,602)

* Israelis killed: 1,096 (14% of 7,664)
* Palestinians killed: 6,568 (86% of 7,664)

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Amnesty International tells us that 80 Palestinian children were killed in the first three months of Intifada II. Zero Israeli children were killed.

> The majority of Palestinian children have been killed in the Occupied Territories when members of the IDF responded to demonstrations and stone throwing incidents with unlawful and excessive use of lethal force. Eighty Palestinian children were killed by the IDF in the first three months of the intifada alone.

> Sami Fathi Abu Jazzar died on the eve of his 12th birthday after being shot in the head by a live bullet fired by Israeli soldiers into a crowd of mostly primary school children. The shooting took place in the aftermath of a stone throwing demonstration. Six other children were injured by live fire in the same incident. Amnesty International delegates were present in the crowd at the time and concluded that the lives of the soldiers were not in danger.

> In the past year Palestinian children have been killed when the IDF randomly opened fire, shelled or bombarded residential neighbourhoods at times when there was no exchange of fire and in circumstances in which the lives of the IDF soldiers were not at risk. Others were killed during Israeli state assassinations, when the IDF destroyed Palestinian houses without warning, and by flechette shells and booby traps used by the IDF in densely populated areas.

> The large numbers of children killed and injured and the circumstances in which they were killed indicates that little or no care was taken by the IDF to avoid causing harm to children.

> Dina Matar, two-months-old and Ayman Matar, 18-months-old, were among nine children killed on 22 July 2002 when the IDF dropped a one ton bomb from an F-16 fighter jet on a densely populated area of Gaza city. The bomb killed 17 people. The aim of the attack was to assassinate a leading Hamas activist, who was among those killed. The following day Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon called the attack "one of the most successful operations".

> A number of Palestinian children have also died after being held up at IDF checkpoints, and delayed or even prevented from passing through to reach hospital. At least three children have been killed by Israeli settlers. In most cases the IDF does not intervene to protect Palestinians from Israeli settlers, who literally get away with murder.

AI Index: MDE 15/145/2002 (Public) News Service #165, 30 Sep 2002
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 23, 2012, 10:34 am
PeasantDiva, thanks for sharing your personal background. Sadly, sometimes the biggest anti-Semites are Jews themselves.. just like not all who stand up for Gazan rights or Palestinian rights are anti-Semitic, simply being Jewish does not prevent someone from being anti-Semitic.

Those who claim any resemblance between what the Jews went through during the holocaust and what Palestinians go through now not only shows a complete lack of the reality of the situation, but twist and use for inflammatory purposes sensitive vocabulary in order to incite anti-Semitism, devalue and even deny the holocaust..

I've had the privilege to hug holocaust survivors and hear first hand the truth of the holocaust as well as seeing, observing, hearing first hand Palestinian teenagers share(i'm a teacher who often teach Palestinian youngsters and have contact with parents).

Do yourself the favour and go see, experience and observe things for yourself.

Giving Hamas all he wants will NOT bring peace, neither will it be best for Gazans! Did you know that only 40% of Gazans voted for Hamas in the 2012 elections? Most Gazans voted for independent candidates. Hamas does not speak for the majority of Gazans.

Unlike what you have been led to believe, Israel wants peace. Look at the facts. Look at how often they agreed to compromises around the negotiation table and stuck to it, even if the Palestinian leaders did not. Look at how much land Israel had exchanged in the hope of negotiating peace, even evacuating every single Jewish family from Gaza and West Bank Block A in 2005..

What do you want Israel to do? Say to the anti-Semites, here I am, kill me to your heart's content? Read the Hamas charter if you have any doubt as to its intentions toward Israel. It clearly states its intention to wipe Israel off the map.

A miracle much bigger than negotiations are needed to resolve this conflict.

But i do believe in miracles. Peace will come to the land of Israel.





 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday November 23, 2012, 11:16 am
I’m a peacemaker, but the current Israeli government does not know how to make peace. We move from war to war, and this will never stop. I think Zionism has run its course.”

“For Netanyahu, peace is just a word, and that [current Foreign Minister Avigdor] Lieberman?...?he is the most terrible man in this country.. The way he speaks about our Arabs, our Israeli Arabs, is unacceptable! I call Liberman ‘Doberman’: how can a man like that represent our country?!”

. “I reject Netanyahu’s policy; it is a recipe for disaster. He is unwilling to address the issue. It’s a bunker mentality. We had the Oslo accords, which established Palestinian control over certain areas in the West Bank and Gaza, while other areas remained under mixed control. The accords established the Palestinian Authority and police force, but nothing has changed. The number of settlements has increased from 60 to 200, military checkpoints are everywhere, and freedom of movement is virtually nonexistent. Violence is still the only spoken language."

Lady Dayan . Widow of former Israel's defense minister Mo-she Dayan



 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday November 23, 2012, 11:23 am
I am astonished. Why does Care2 deletes this comment ? .This is a historical letter post a letter sent to the editors of New York Times on December 4,1984 by ALBERT EINSTEIN and signed by some celebrities.It is mainly taking about the " the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties" It clearly and early shows the criminal type of the Israeli politicians and tells the story of Palestinian villages that were subject to genocide.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:01 pm
@Alexandra R: I've been following the slow motion ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since 1990's. The Israeli motto "by deception we shall wage war" encapsulates the mindset of colonial zionists. They didn't come to settle a homestead, they came to dominate the area, they never had an iota of interest of living in peace with the indigenous Palestinian Muslims, Christians and Jews. Check out the writings of Herzl & Jabotinski, zionist architects of the zionist colonization of the Holy Land.

The zionists could have peace but they adamantly want things to stay the same because they are still busy usurping of the Palestinian land. They want all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, which includes part of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt. You need to quit believing everything you hear on Fox News, you have the news & views of the world at your fingertips, yet you do nothing but parrot the zionist hasbara, try reading some mondoweiss blog, as it's written by a Jew, you can feel safe from anti semites.

You say you are a teacher? Do you know what the two blue stripes signify on the Israeli flag? The borders that Israel wants for "eretz iszrael' the blue stripes signify from the Nile to the Euphrates.

When the wikileaks were published we heard a distressed Saeb Erekat whine, "what more can I give them?" after giving up most of the remaining 22% of mandate Palestine, after agreeing to forget about the right of return for the refugees.

The man they assassinated last week which started the latest massacre was working on a truce, of course since the Israelis were negotiating they knew how close they were to peace, so please explain to a confused student, why did they assassinate him, short hours away from signing a truce? Because Israel wants peace? Because in Israel dropping bombs on unarmed civilians is "self defense" and up is down and day is night and why cannot the Palestinians defend their lives and their children's lives without being called terrorists?
International law forbids an occupying country from moving their people into occupied land, teacher, but we all know israel is the world's scofflaw extraordinaire.
International law forbids changing the character of occupied lands.
The occupying power is responsible for the safety & security of those under occupation.

If someone stole your house, would you feel you received justice if the thief decided to give you back a corner in your former yard? How grateful would you be? I saw the pathetic spoiled squatters being evacuated from Gaza, rehoused the occupied territories in the West Bank, another crime against international law.

Peace will come to Palestine when the racist zionist experiment is ended, the CIA estimates that it cannot survive beyond 2020 - at least not on the US taxpayer dime, may it be sooner. Negotiations are a joke when the Israeli side has no interest in a peaceful resolution that calls for even handed fairness.

The solution is so simple, like Ms. Helen Thomas said, let the colonists from Russia, Poland, New York go back where they came from, they (zionist Jews) have brought nothing but destruction to the Muslim and Christian and JewishWhy cannot historians question aspects of the holocaust, such as the erroneous 6 million dead Jews figure. You may question any part of the life of Jesus, but it is forbidden to ask how much of the holocaust is propaganda? At least not without being smeared as a 'denier'?

The truth can stand investigation, what are the holocaust gatekeepers trying to keep concealed?

 

Christine Linley (11)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:07 pm
Letter From Albert Einstein::

http://www.care2.com/news/member/708546038/3489824
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:11 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Kate because you have done so within the last week.
Of course I can . Thanks Kate for standing beside the truth.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:30 pm
From Wikipedia :

Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments, and in media such as The New York Times newspaper,[17][18] and by the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry.[19] In 1946 The World Zionist Congress strongly condemned terrorist activities in Palestine and "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare". Irgun was specifically condemned.[20]

Menachen Begin was called a terrorist and a fascist by Albert Einstein and 27 other prominent Jewish intellectuals in a letter to the New York Times which was published on December 4, 1948. Specifically condemned was the participation of the Irgun in the Deir Yassin massacre: "terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants – 240 men, women and children – and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem."

The letter warns US Jews against supporting Begin's request for funding of his political party Herut, and ends with the warning:

"The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal." [21]

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From Indymedia SantaCruz: Albert Einstein Condemned Israeli Nazis - Prominent Jews’ December, 1948 Letter To New York Times

Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948

New Palestine Party Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party��? (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants — 240 men, women, and children — and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a “Leader State��? is the goal.

In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin’s efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

(signed)

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO, ALBERT EINSTEIN, HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROCKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE

New York, Dec. 2, 1948
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday November 23, 2012, 12:51 pm
Nov-23-2012 00:45
Let Us Never Hesitate to Recognize and Salute Israel's Best

Tim King Salem-News.com
"I refuse to take part in the war crimes committed by my country. Violence will not bring any kind of solution, and I shall not commit violence, come what may." - Omer Goldman, age 19, Tel Aviv


Omer Goldman of the Israeli CO group Shministim
First Prison Sentence: 22nd Sept. - 10th Oct. 2008 (18 days)
Second Prison Sentence: 12th - 24th Oct. 2008 (10 days)

(SACRAMENTO, CA) - Omer Goldman Granot is the daughter of Naftali Granot, the former deputy to Mossad’s chief Meir Dagan. She never fails to disappoint the apartheid war machine, nor does she fail to gain our most serious respect.

You see Omer, who grew up in the Tel-Aviv suburb of Ramat HaSharon, is a young Israeli conscientious objector and member of the Shministim.

In the group's own words...

The Shministim are Israeli high school students who have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in an army that occupies the Palestinian Territories


It seems important to retell her story as Israel wraps up its latest, savage attack on Gaza, which alone proves Israel's lack of legitimacy and fairness as a world government.

Omer is one of so many Israelis that you never hear about, except maybe here and a few other news outlets in the Arab world that shoot straight and true, unlike the majority of their Israeli counterparts, with the exception of Ha'aretz.

Goldman is one of those human beings who simply has the insight and intelligence to identify the negative aspects of her nation's demand upon her. Perhaps it was her position as the daughter of a heavy operator like Granot that led to her courage and stand.



It has not been easy for Omer Goldman, she isn't winning any popularity contests in Israel for calling out government for its illegal war on Palestine. It is not surprising that Goldman has had to confront the values of her own family.


Her own country's forces fired at her because of her politics


Her father, the former deputy head of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service... is still considered one of the most powerful men in the Israeli security system. Omer's development as a peace activist is rooted in a very dark incident.

You see without her fathers permission, Omer visited a West Bank Palestinian town, and at a check-point, alongside Palestinians, her supposed enemies, was fired upon by Israeli soldiers.

"We were sitting by the roadside talking and soldiers came along and after a few seconds they received an order and fired gas grenades and rubber bullets at us. Then it struck me, to my astonishment, that the soldiers were following an order without thinking. For the first time in my life, an Israeli soldier raised his weapon and fired at me."
Israel routinely subjects Palestinians to illegal torture, detainment and worse... Many are arrested and never seen again. Israeli sex crimes against young incarcerated Palestinians are said to be rampant.

Most are held by Israel for months without being able to see their parents or receive a court date, and they are forever traumatized.





Omer is one of many Conscientious Objectors in Israel

The crime most are accused of? That would be stone throwing, and often those youths arrested for this David-like crime against the oppressive Israeli apartheid regime are totally innocent[1].

To aggravate matters, Israel's apartheid system, with one set of laws for Jews and another set for non-Jews, does not allow Israeli children to even be arrested until they are 12.

This is in sharp contrast, as many Palestinians as young as 6 are arrested by Israel and their lives potentially ruined. Denied school and subjected to being imprisoned, it is amazing anyone questions why Palestinians often retaliate against Israel.

In truth, those who read pro-Israeli media (up to and including the New York Times) are often treated to stories about Israelis throwing stones at Palestinians as if the double standard were perfectly OK, it is bizarre to say the least.

Not surprisingly, Goldman's father does not support her decision to refuse to partake in this mission to eradicate the Palestinians, however he says he still supports her as a daughter.

Goldman says she and her father still have something in common.



"He and I have very similar characters. I, too, fight to the end for what I believe in. But we are opposites ideologically."
In her declaration of refusal she stated:

I refuse to enlist in the Israeli military. I shall not be part of an army that needlessly implements a violent policy and violates the most basic human rights on a daily basis.
Like most of my peers, I too have not dared to question the ethics of the Israeli military. But when I visited the Occupied Territories I realized I see a completely different reality, a violent, oppressive, extreme reality that must be ended.
I believe in service to the society I am part of, and that is precisely why I refuse to take part in the war crimes committed by my country. Violence will not bring any kind of solution, and I shall not commit violence, come what may.




Omer Goldman says those who are a captive of the media mind control police (i.e. the corporate news media) tend to believe two things:

Israel is "defending" itself against the Palestinians
All Israelis support their government's policy of endless war against Palestinian civilians.
Goldman says, "it is this second lie that the Israeli media mafia guards most closely - and desperately hopes Americans never figure out".

She states clearly, that contrary to Israeli war party propaganda in the US, not all Jews and not all Israelis support Israel's Nazi-like conduct in the Occupied Territories.

She believes this simple fact is probably the single most censored piece of news in the United States. How it has been able to advance so far in a supposedly free country is both disappointing and hard to comprehend.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november232012/israeli-best-tk.php
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday November 23, 2012, 1:01 pm
Hi "PeasantDiva",

Here are some of the problems with your comment: First, there is absolutely not reason to believe that your information is somehow more reliable than that of anyone else. Second, it is self-evidently BS.

One of your links, "permission to narrate", argues that arms-smuggling is not forbidden under the ceasefire-agreement, and it gives a link to the agreement. You can actually see exactly where such smuggling is forbidden. Here: "All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border". It doesn't say "for two months" or something like that. Arms-smuggling into Gaza is a clear indication of intent to violate this term of the agreement. Yes, establishing an intent to violate the terms of a treaty can annul the thing.

Regarding Israel's "procrastination": You are interested in the plight of refugees. Now get informed about surrounding issues which drive it and prevent the alleviation of such plight. It is not as easy as it sounds to make peace. It is not at all like making up with another person after a fight. There are no "police" to enforce civility at that level. More importantly, in this case, the two sides don't even have the same traditions of peace-making. One follows the Caliphate-tradition and the other follows the classical Western one. They are incompatible, and neither side would ever trust the other one's methods. Then there are the issues of domestic politics: Somehow, I don't think the leaders of Hamas and Fatah really want to see Sadat's fate. The more violence-prone among Palestinians are both those who actually hold the power (as they are too numerous and powerful to be policed effectively) and the supporters of conflict. A peace-treaty could be signed tomorrow, and then after the Palestinian signer is killed next week, it would be meaningless.

Hi Jelica,

I guess Gaza fits the second definition, depending upon what one considers "extremely harsh". Then again, so would some programs at MIT and other tough colleges, poverty in general, a hospital for infectious disease, and so many other things that, used like this, the term loses its meaning. How about not making the phrase "concentration camp" meaningless?

Hi Abdessalam,

The raw fatality-numbers are meaningless when trying to determine the motivations and other behaviour of the two sides. What we need are the reasons why the numbers are what they are, and that is actually quite apparent: Israel has bomb-shelters and now the Iron Dome and Gaza has neither. Why does Gaza have no bomb-shelters? One could point at the Israeli ban on the transport of the necessary materials to Gaza, but then one would miss what happens when the necessary materials are actually used to build something. These structures use the same material as would bomb-shelters, and many of the same techniques:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162190
This is a bomb-shelter in Gaza, with some machinery, used to shelter rockets instead of people. That's why so many Palestinians die: When they get the opportunity to save civilian lives, they do this instead.

Hi Kate,

First problem with saying Goldstone was "coerced": He fought against Falk, before the investigation, to extend the purview of investigation to include conditions in Israel because prior UN investigations refused to consider those. Goldstone refused to proceed with any investigation without looking at the Israeli side of things. He got the purview, but the necessary investigative infrastructure was not set up so it was meaningless. When the report came out, he immediately said that while it raises a number of allegations worth investigating, it did not actually gather evidence for them sufficient to convict anyone. he was the first opponent of his own report.

Now, read my response to PeasantDiva. If you want some clarification as to why Israel could not just have peace if it wants, I would be happy to provide. Do you really believe that Hamas' military commander was working on a truce? He was the military commander, not from the political branch. It was not his job to make a truce and he didn't have the authority anyways. He could not have worked on such a truce.

I don't know where you got that silliness about the flag from: The blue stripes are meant to be reminiscent of the Talit, which traditionally had coloured fringes to make it easier to spot damage and fix it. I don't know why blue is the traditional colour for that, but apparently it has been for a very long time. Seriously, even just hte Wiki article on the flag points to multiple debunkings of that idea.

As for the last part of your latest comment, someone who seems so well-versed in the matter should have realized by now that about half of Israeli Jews are of Middle-Eastern origin. Aside from that, the reason for modern Zionism, that Jews need a place of refuge as even the "enlightened" European nations cannot be trusted, should be known.

The 6 million figure is erroneous. It's too low. It counts only those who were killed by Nazis and could be identified by name, but the destruction of preexisting records in the war, the undocumented massacres, the non-documentation of those who were sent directly for execution upon arrival at the death-camps, the killing after the war, by former neighbours with lingering antisemitism, of a fifth of those Jews who tried to go home, raise the number dramatically. The numbers have been investigated by historians. The trouble is that for some people, nothing has been "investigated" until they get the results of investigation that they demand, regardless of the truth.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday November 23, 2012, 1:07 pm
Hi again Kate,

I found the origin of the blue stripes: They are, like I said from the Talit. The tradition of the blue stripes on the Talit comes from Numbers 15:38, which says: "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel.

Orthodox Jews still walk around with a pair of blue stripes on a Talit, usually under their clothes.
 

Ros G. (90)
Friday November 23, 2012, 4:03 pm
Abdessalam D. I stand with you - the truth is always alarming to those that don't want to hear it. You can't justify the unjustifible. Green Star coming your way.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday November 23, 2012, 9:50 pm
This blog has certainly brought all the Hamas terrorist supporters out of the woodwork. Not one of you asks the question - Why didn't Arrafat, Abbas et al broker a peace deal when it was on the table? Had they done so maybe Israel and the Palestinians would be living peacefully together. Of course we do say this with 'tongue in cheek'.......the Palestinans are not known for living peaceably with anyone. Ask Jordan, Eqypt and Syria.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:28 am
Again, Stephan Brian thinks clearly.

Abdessalam, putting it as '"the statistics (of death) are nicely charted here"...that's a bit COLD isn't it?

I wonder if any variable in your statistics of deaths on both sides could be an influence such as differences in weapon technology or defense systems used by Hamas or Israel, which might affect the number of fatalities or injuries.

(really stupid discussing it at this level isn't it)

 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:24 am
Examples of specific, systematic human rights violations related to U.S. military support


• Killings of civilians - At least 2,969 Palestinian civilians uninvolved in hostilities were killed by the Israeli military between December 29, 2000 and December 31, 2009. This includes at least 1,128 children under the age of 18. Many of these deaths are connected to weaponry the U.S. underwrites.

Details available at
http://www.weaponstoisrael.org/article.php?id=2940
And through original date from B’Tselem at
www.btselem.org/statistics

• Suppression of legitimate political expression and protest – U.S.-supplied tear gas has been used by Israel to systematically suppress political protests and dissent in the occupied Palestinian territories. This has led to the deaths of at least 5 Palestinians and the grave injury of many others, including two U.S. citizens.

• Home demolitions and forced displacement – According to the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, approximately 24,813 Palestinian homes in the occupied Palestinian territories have been destroyed since 1967. House demolitions in the West Bank in 2011 forcibly displaced nearly 1,100 Palestinians (over half of them children) from their homes, over 80% more than in 2010, according to the United Nations (UN) Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

Details available at
http://www.unocha.org/annualreport/2011/pse

• Use of prohibited weaponry in densely populated civilian areas – Israel has used both white phosphorus and flechette shells in Gaza and Lebanon in violation of international humanitarian law. During operation cast lead white phosphorus shells were fired against civilian targets including a UN compound, two hospitals, and private residences causing civilian deaths and injuries. Flechette shells have also been used repeatedly in Gaza since 2001, causing significant civilian deaths and casualties.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/israeli-army-used-flechettes-against-gaza-civilians-20090127

• Restricting Palestinian movement - Israeli-only roads and more than 500 roadblocks and checkpoints carve up the West Bank, making travel for Palestinians arduously slow or impossible*. The Wall constructed by Israel in the West Bank deviates considerably from the 1967 lines, confiscating occupied Palestinian territory and water in the process, and severely restricting Palestinian movement. Since 2007 Israel has also maintained a comprehensive blockade on Gaza, restricting not only the movement of Palestinians into and out of Gaza, but also restricting the import and export of goods. The UN and International Committee of the Red Cross have both concluded that this blockade amounts to collective punishment **, in contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Details available at
*http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_MovementandAccess_FactSheet_September_2011.pdf


**http://www.ochaopt.org/gazablockade
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:01 am

Let me thank you here, Abdessalam, for your last three comments; you see, I've run out of green stars for you!

1) the news of that historical letter, the letter to the NYTimes by Albert Einstein & 27 other prominent Jewish intellectuals, published December 4, 1948:

I hadn't known about that letter & it is really quite important. It shows that the wrong people, with a shameful past, got into power in Israel from the start; and there was no unity in the Israeli or Jewish-American communities re: support for the power play of Begin & his party. Who better than formerly European Jews -who had escaped from Nazi-controled Europe & had experienced fascism- to denounce it when they encountered it?

2) the Salem-News.com article, "Let Us Never Hesitate to Recognize and Salute Israel's Best," about Omer Goldman & Shministim:

I knew about Shministim, but I had never heard of Omer Goldman & her particular experiences. A real eye-opener to read how she became aware of Israeli brutality.

3) "Examples of specific, systematic human rights violations related to U.S. military support" -
with excerpts from & links to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs -occupied Palestinian territory- Sept 2011 report on "Movement & Access in the West Bank," & Amnesty International.org ( both internationally recognized as human rights advocates, anti-racist, anti-'anti-Semitic' organizations & certainly not pro-Hamas, pro-terrorism, or pro-hate)

My grain of salt:

The 'Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions - USA' - Get the Facts page :
Since 1967 and the beginning of the Occupation, now in its 40th year, the Israeli government has demolished over 18,000 houses belonging to Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. These demolitions are part of a web of policies designed to force Palestinians off their own land to make room for expanding Israeli settlements, construct a 26-foot high “separation barrier” that cuts deep into Palestinian territory, create a network of Israeli-only bypass roads, and generally “thin” Jerusalem of its Palestinian inhabitants. Ninety-five percent of these houses belong to innocent people and families and have nothing to do with terrorism or security; they are not charged with crimes nor detained as security risks. In 2005, the Israeli military admitted that their policy of punitive house demolitions was harmful to Israel’s interests and abandoned that practice.

These issues are largely obscured in U.S. politics and the media. ICAHD-USA works to educate the U.S. public about the realities of the Israeli Occupation. The fact-sheets, research papers, and FAQs (frequently asked questions) presented below offer information about the ways in which these Israeli government policies result in massive and illegal land confiscation, as well as intolerable living conditions, creating a formidable barrier to a just peace." ...Followed by half a page of links to 'Fact-sheets & Papers'


'Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) – Jerusalem' - home

The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD)
is a human rights and peace organization established in 1997 to end Israel’s Occupation over the Palestinians. ICAHD takes as its main focus, as its vehicle for resistance, Israel’s policy of demolishing Palestinian homes in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and within Israel proper. ICAHD was awarded UN Economic and Social Council Special Consultative Status in 2010.

In 2006 Dr. Jeff Halper, ICAHD's Co-founder and Director was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing ICAHD's work "to liberate both the Palestinian and the Israeli people from the yoke of structural violence" and "to build equality between their people by recognizing and celebrating their common humanity." In 2007, ICAHD received the Olive Branch Award from Jewish Voice for Peace.
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"Sign Open Letter to President Obama" - Message to be Delivered on Inauguration Day: "Mr. President, please condition US aid to Israel on compliance with the law which states that it cannot be used to violate the rights of Palestinians."

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Carrie B. (309)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:11 am
Abdessalam and Peasant Diva, You are both treasures. Not enough green stars available for either of you.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:39 am
Abdessalam and PeasantDiva, Israel would NEVER, has NEVER followed its neighbours like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza et al in Human Right violations!

Israel is fully signed up to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, unlike its neighbours, and Israel takes human rights violations very seriously. Very few, if any get away with human right abuses in Israel.

This lot of untrue accusations would have been laughable in its absurdity, if it did not incite so much anti-Semitic hate.

Israel and Israelis/Zionists/Jews are not the demons you're making out Abdessalam and PeasantDiva!

Open your eyes if you might regards Israel, or else fester in your wild demonisations of Israel. The choice is yours.

 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 12:00 pm
The IDF established a state on the Falestinian land with the help and support of US , UK , at the British Mandate to Falestine , the British ended the mandate leaving the IDF groups to kill the Palestinians and expelled the palestinians from thier land under shouting , from here the problem started and the IDF wants and is practising expelling the civilians to take the land of palestinians.
Belfour promise do everyone forgett it , it will never it is a history ... It is time for the UK to regret of what its minister promise , must feel guilty and correct its mistake .
It is known and recognized that the IDF is occupying force and must withdraw from the palestinian land.
All who support the IDF in killing , murdering civilians is a killer and criminal....destructing buildings over children and womens and at nights , destructing trees , schools medical centers is allowed by the IDF , what justice is this ???
Stop killing the Palestinians children , women, and aged and withdraw from the palestinian land and agree on the principle of land for peace as one of the issues for peace process which the IDF always refuses any issue and put obsticles , it wants the land without people this is the issue ... wants to live on the blood of human beings .

Is the IDF above the Law and allowed to kill murder every palestinian even babies ???
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 12:44 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Peasant Diva because you have done so within the last week.

YES I can
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 12:54 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Abo because you have done so within the last week.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 12:55 pm
Alexandra R. writes " Israel is fully signed up to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, "

Really ? What about this ?
HAARETZ ACADEMIC DISCRIMINATION IN ISRAEL
Published 16:58 25.04.12
Latest update 16:58 25.04.12
Israel's politics of discrimination
How an informal process of decision making keeps Ashkenazi men at the top, while women, Arabs and Mizrahim are denied their fair share of power and resources.
By Eva Illouz

Discrimination is the sophisticated, less blunt, distant cousin of racism. It has the same effects as racism − ranking people by birth − without, necessarily, the same intentions, which is why discrimination is mostly and most often an invisible mechanism. This is also the reason why some legal provisions suggest evaluating discrimination on the basis of facts. But facts alone do not scrutinize the mindset of people working in organizations. If, for example, women represent 50 percent of the population, Arabs and Mizrahim constitute 60 percent of the population and if all three groups have almost never been represented among the rectors, presidents and deans, or been recipients of scientific awards of Israeli universities, we need not enter the minds of the people who make these decisions to suspect discrimination. The proof is in the famous pudding.
What is interesting − sociologically − about discrimination is that it produces racist or sexist effects without being necessarily connected to racist beliefs, at least not explicit ones. Universities and many cultural institutions are particularly good places to examine this phenomenon because they are full of liberal, well-intentioned, broad-minded people who want to promote equality, yet fail at it. Therefore, the question of how places full of liberal and broad-minded people end up being full of Ashkenazi men is puzzling. Here, gender and ethnicity should be viewed in similar terms, because mechanisms of exclusion in both cases are often similar ‏(with the proviso that Ashkenazi women are doing much better in Ashkenazi cultural institutions than Mizrahim and Arab men or women). Even if women and Mizrahim constitute large groups, each of these groups – despite their increasing visibility and presence in Israeli society – are still “minorities,” because historically they have been deprived of rights, privileges and resources that men have enjoyed. ‏(For example, when you understand the importance of the army for networking in many Israeli institutions, you realize why women and Arabs have been kept outside many centers of power.‏) In fact, we may go further: the “majority” that now controls so many institutions is largely made up of Ashkenazis ‏(among them a majority of men‏), and close to 60 per cent ‏(Arabs and Mizrahim‏) are the minorities left outside many centers of power. The fact that this situation has improved over time should not prevent us from asking why it is not improving faster.

Cultural capital
Inbal Bitton ‏(a fictional name‏) was born and raised in Kiryat Shmona. She went to a very mediocre school, where she learned a lot about Jewish holidays, the Holocaust, Zionism and the Torah, but very little about Athenian democracy, the difference between idealism and materialism in philosophy, the comparative study of the rationality at work in the Guide for the Perplexed and Arab civilization’s contribution to modern sciences. Still, thanks to her hard work, she studied at university, earned a degree in social work and geography, and now works in the urban planning department in the municipality of a large Israeli city. She is hard-working, meticulous, intelligent, and after a few years has become very competent at her job.
One day, she arrives at a meeting with the director of an international philanthropic organization who wants to contribute to the construction of public projects in Israel. In addition to the director, two other men are present; one grew up in Rehavia, the other in Haifa. The meeting gets off to a good start: The three men tell each other army jokes and learn that they have mutual acquaintances among the officers. The meeting progresses and some important decisions are made. At the end of the meeting, the three men stay on to chat; Inbal feels a bit of an outsider, so she politely leaves. During that final informal chat, the director of the philanthropic organization learns that he shares musical tastes with one of the other men, and that they both have a subscription to the Israeli Opera. One week later, the director of that same large philanthropic organization is asked by the Minister of Infrastructure to recommend someone for a prestigious position at his ministry that requires a great deal of experience in urban planning. Who do you think he will remember from the meeting held a week ago?
This fictional, yet realistic, anecdote serves to illustrate many phenomena all at once: Men do not exclude this woman because she is a woman, but because they can bond naturally − they all shared the same military humor, learned in the barracks. They do not exclude her because she is Mizrahi, but rather because all three of them grew up in similar Ashkenazi neighborhoods and could recognize in each other a common and similar style. In no way did they hold the a priori racist opinion that Mizrahim or people who grew up in Kiryat Shmona are less worthy than people who grew up in large urban centers. They simply inferred from her clothes, accent perhaps, last name, and her discomfort that she is not “sophisticated,” “representative” or “well-groomed.” Finally, in evaluating her style, the men confused two things: how competent she is at her job, and her “cultural capital” – how much high culture she knows and displays. They viewed cultural knowledge or capital as a sign of professional competence, which it is not.
The one who got the phone call was the one who also had a subscription to the opera. He got the call not because he was more competent in urban planning, but because he had the same upbringing, the same army experiences, the same way of speaking, the same manners, the same physical appearance, and the same musical taste as the one who called him. ‏(It also turns out that this style is congruent in general with the style of many who make important decisions‏.) This is, in a nutshell, the story of discrimination.
This anecdote says something important: much discrimination does not feel like discrimination at all; in fact, most of the time it feels like something else. It feels like the trust and respect we have for some and not for others; it feels like the bonds of camaraderie we create with others through the army, the university, the kibbutz, the youth group or the tennis club. Mostly it feels like an honest, objective evaluation of someone else’s competence and personality.
The reason why discrimination is so hard to fight, even in ourselves, is that it is very hard to identify because it happens behind our backs, so to speak − it almost always comes in the form of something else, like trusting someone from our group, or evaluating “objectively” someone as more competent or sophisticated, or preventing a “difficult” person from being promoted. In fact, quite often discrimination comes subtly packaged with qualities that many people value − such as being loyal to old friends; recognizing in others what makes us feel comfortable and on familiar terrain; promoting only “nice people,” those who do not question the privileges and entitlements we have. In the example above, discrimination is not a nasty and brutal way to exclude. It feels, and in some ways it is, natural and friendly. Nothing could be more natural than to be friendly to those who are like us and gentle to us.
Let me thus make a blunt sociological statement: What makes us feel good as members of a group usually plays out very badly in the overall politics of equality. Group cohesion does not go along with a capacity to integrate people who differ. A truly meritocratic society cannot be based on groups, because groups demand first and foremost loyalty, and loyalty is not an egalitarian or meritocratic virtue.
Nor does discrimination mean that we dislike members of minority groups ‏(this is where it differs from racism‏). In fact, women are liked so much that they are regularly discriminated against through courtship and sexual harassment in the workplace. Discrimination is a set of invisible strategies, the effect of which is to exclude minorities from available resources. Discrimination is about sharing power, not about our capacity to have women or Mizrahim or Arabs as friends, as lovers, or as our domestic workers. We can love Mizrahi women and discriminate against them in the workplace. The question of discrimination arises only when a man and a woman, a Mizrahi and an Ashkenazi, an Arab and a Jew, a native and a foreigner, are competing for the same resources, such as power, money, prestige, leadership.
How egalitarian are we?
To what extent a society allows its minorities to truly compete for resources with its majority is the true measure of how egalitarian it is. In modern democracies, education is the main channel for minorities to achieve social mobility. Therefore, education is a very important resource. For this reason, let us examine the position of women, Arabs and Mizrahim ‏(WAM‏) inside the institutions of the university. If you ask yourself why such cultural institutions as the university matter ‏(beyond the fact that this is the one I am most familiar with‏), it is for four reasons: 1‏) This institution is supposed to be entirely based on merit and merit alone; 2‏) as a public institution, it should be exemplary of values the entire society holds dear; 3‏) in a society based on educational mobility ‏(mobility through education‏), cultural leadership indicates a deeper form of social integration than that achieved through money and market mechanisms; and 4‏) because the university is by and large a well-managed organization, its failures are instructive of larger and more general processes.
Let me thus ask a simple question: Who sits on the faculty of Israeli universities? Prof. Nina Toren, who did pioneering research on this topic at the Hebrew University, found that in 2008, the academic staff of Israeli universities could be divided into three groups: 90 percent Ashkenazim; 9 percent Mizrahim ‏(with less than 2 percent Mizrahi women‏); 1 percent Arabs. Women constituted 27 percent of the entire academic body. This composition indicates that a structural discrimination exists, demonstrating that society is incapable of bringing representatives of 60 percent of its population ‏(Mizrahim and Arabs combined‏) into its universities as lecturers. Instead, most of the power is concentrated in the hands of Ashkenazi men.
These findings also suggest that ethnic discrimination is deeper and vaster than gender discrimination. Please note: Structural discrimination is not an intention to discriminate. It is de facto discrimination. But if this were the only explanation, one would expect that once women, Arabs and Mizrahim entered the gates of the university, they would be proportionately represented in the university leadership. Yet this is far from being the case. Proof that their exclusion is not “only” the result of structural flaws in the education system, but also stems from attitudes and biases actively present in the university, can be found in the following fact: If we make a very rough estimate of all the WAM across all Israeli universities who are already inside the university, all three groups would constitute 36 percent of the total number of lecturers. And yet, all together, they probably do not represent even 5 percent of the heads of academic institutions, people in significant positions of power and prestige in universities or research institutes, presidents of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, Israel Science Foundation, or national scientific committees. And this has been the case for many decades.
In the faculties of humanities and social sciences of many Israeli universities, even a middle-rank management position, like that of dean, has never been filled by a Mizrahi or an Arab, and almost never by a woman. The middle-rank position of director of the Institute for Advanced Studies at the Hebrew University has never been filled by a woman, a Mizrahi or an Arab. And on, and on, and on. It is difficult to imagine that in 60 years, all these institutions did not find one single woman, one single Mizrahi, one single Arab among those who were already inside the university, who was worthy of filling these relatively middle-rank positions, let alone the high-ranking ones. This clearly indicates that an informal process of decision making keeps WAM outside power and away from resources.
Think about this: WAM represent approximately 80 percent of the population, yet they do not represent even 5 percent of our academic elites. WAM are excluded not by any formal or concerted decision, but by a series of informal evaluations that concern either their professional competence or their personality. Universities and many cultural institutions make a particularly fertile terrain for this precisely because being a leader in these institutions is based on informal evaluations by others. ‏(This is why Mizrahim enter the business sector in droves, because success there is established by tangible performance, rather than informal evaluation by a group of Ashkenazi peers.) As Dr. Yofi Tirosh, a leading scholar of discrimination at the Tel Aviv University Faculty of Law, put it in a conversation for this article, the politics of discrimination is most visible in the politics of “representativeness” – that is, those chosen and perceived as “representative of the institution.” It is in the process of choosing someone who will represent the entire body that biases are widely used. The question is thus: How do such politics of representativeness operate on the ground?
Minorities’ dilemma
If you build a country by viewing Arabs and Mizrahim as culturally inferior, it is not difficult to understand how conditions are created for the formation of stereotypes of Arabs and Mizrahim as “not cultured, sophisticated or educated enough.” Stereotypes are not just routine associations of certain groups with specific attributes; they are powerful tools of social control. Stereotypes create expectations that some groups are fit or “unfit” for certain positions or activities.
Here is an example: In my opinion, one of the most brilliant minds in the Israeli public sphere today is an Arab man, Sayed Kashua. But Sayed Kashua has been able to succeed because he does not threaten anyone’s position in that field. He is an Arab man who writes about the relationships between Arabs and Jews. This is acceptable to a society based on Jewish control. If, however, Sayed Kashua had wanted to do research on modern Jewish history ‏(in the same way as Jews study the history of Islam or Christianity‏), it is a safe bet that things would have been more difficult for him. Why? Not because he would have had more power as a researcher of Jewish history, but because he would have been stepping out of a stereotype − that an Arab man can be a specialist only on Arab issues.
The point about stereotypes is that they create expectations about the kind and amount of territory a member of a minority is allowed to possess. As tools of social control, stereotypes also create expectations about who has the right to speak authoritatively to others. Stereotypes make the power of some seem natural and self-evident, while associating minorities with leadership and power seems much less natural. ‏(See, for example, all the interest generated by Prof. Rivka Carmi, president of Ben-Gurion University, precisely because it is very unusual for a woman to be president of an academic institution.‏) How comfortable do you think faculty members of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv University or the Weizmann Institute would be in choosing as their rector or president a Mizrahi man or an Arab woman?
An Ashkenazi man has the greatest sense of entitlement to lead and represent others, which is why it goes unnoticed when he does so. ‏(After Ashkenazi men, next in line in the hierarchy of entitlement are Ashkenazi women, then Mizrahim, and Arabs at the bottom − with a woman always having an inferior status to a man in any group.) More specifically, members of minorities are faced with the following dilemma, which has been documented in numerous experiments conducted by social psychologists: conforming to the image others have of them and being perceived as weak, or being perceived as competent and not being liked. This is undoubtedly the most common dilemma faced by minorities in the workplace.
One famous experiment conducted by Prof. Laurie Rudman from Rutgers University runs like this: You give two different groups of people ‏(composed of both men and women‏) the exact same story, with only one difference. One group reads a story with a male protagonist, while the other reads the same story with a female one. The story describes a highly successful professional. You then ask the people who read the story to evaluate the successful man or woman on a scale of competence ‏(how good at his/her job is s/he?‏) and likability ‏(how nice/caring do you think this person is?‏). The results are striking: Twenty years ago, the woman would have been rated as far less competent than the man; but today she is rated as equally competent ‏(feminism managed to change stereotypes about competence‏).
However, though she was found to be as competent as the man, she was also found to be significantly less likable, both by men and women. That is, the groups evaluating the protagonist − a highly successful professional − have exactly the same information about the man and the woman, yet the successful woman is deemed much less likable than the man.
Laurie Rudman ‏(and many other researchers‏) have conducted many experiments centering on this theme and found overwhelming evidence that women pay a heavy price for being perceived as powerful and competent, self-confident, assertive and self-reliant. When they rank high on competence, they are far more likely to rank low on what we expect them to be – namely, caring and group-oriented. Even though the experiment was done with women, we may hypothesize that it is true for other minorities as well. Minorities working in many organizations are confronted with the same dilemma of being either liked or viewed as competent. If they are liked, their likability comes from the fact that they correspond to the stereotype that associates them with weakness; when they deviate from the stereotype, they are perceived as boastful, lacking in a communal orientation to others, uncaring. In both cases − ranking low in competence or low in likability − they are not perceived as “representative” of the institution.
Let me now give you examples I have witnessed personally in many Israeli universities, in which the competence or likability of a member of a minority is evaluated in such a way that they end up being seen as unworthy to represent the institution ‏(examples come from all Israeli universities, which will make it impossible to identify the university or the characters involved‏).
Evaluating competence
1‏) “Moroccan accent”: A highly respected academic working in an Israeli university, an Ashkenazi male, tells me in a conversation that even though he knows he is being racist, he cannot take seriously a colleague of his, another professor, because of his “thick Moroccan accent.” Arabs’ speech is also heavily accented, and this accent is often felt to be unrepresentative of the group. People and the institution they work in cannot feel represented adequately by someone speaking with an accent. Ashkenazis, it should be said, have no less an accent than Mizrahim, but theirs is “unmarked” − it is not heard, precisely because Ashkenazis have established the norm of speech, which in turn becomes neutral.
2‏) “He’s so cute”: In an entirely different setting with entirely different characters, an Ashkenazi female listens to a colleague of hers who is delivering a scientific paper in a heavy Moroccan accent. She looks at him, shakes her head, and says ‏(they are both well past their 40s‏), “He is so cute, he is so cute, ‏(hamoud‏).” She did not mean she found him sexy; she meant he was so unthreatening that she found in him the attributes of a child. It is difficult to imagine her using this word for a male who projects authority and power. When the word hamoud, “cute,” is said to and of women in the workplace, it is often viewed as an insult, because cuteness is an attribute of children, which defuses the capacity to display power.
3‏) “Her field is too narrow”: Social hierarchy is reflected in the hierarchy of scientific fields. Mathematics, perhaps the scientific field with the highest prestige, has almost no women, Arabs or Mizrahim in it. Arabs and Mizrahim are absent from classics and medieval history, both fields which are far more valued than the more “political” fields that attract WAM. WAM tend to enter fields that are ranked lower in intellectual prestige, such as education, social work, sociology, political science or international relations. It is not surprising to find that there are far fewer recipients of scientific awards and large grants in the latter fields than the former.
The hierarchy of scientific fields reflects social hierarchy and is an indirect way of keeping resources in the same place. This social hierarchy also exists within fields. For example, a woman who studies “the experience of Mizrahi women in synagogues” is likely to be perceived as dealing with a narrower topic than a man studying “Kantian Rationality in the writings of Rabbi Soloveitchik” The first topic is perceived as “lower” and more narrow in the hierarchy of topics, because of its clearer association with a minority group.
4‏) “He is so cultured”: A large number of sociologists have claimed that cultural competence − the knowledge of “high,” European culture one is able to display − is often associated with greater status or prestige in cultural organizations. It therefore contributes to the informal ranking of people inside these organizations – not according to expertise in their topic, but according to their capacity to display the right membership in a specific social/ethnic class. Cultural competence is not only knowledge of high culture, but also of a specific way of speaking and expertise in a variety of informal domains, such as wine-tasting, patronizing operas and concert halls, developing a gourmet taste and cooking culture, traveling far and wide.
Sociologists have shown that high culture is often used not as a way to extend wisdom and cultivate aesthetics, but rather to display prestige, which is then used informally to increase one’s status inside an organization. Conversely, those who do not know how to display these informal attributes of status, often implicitly receive a lower ranking.


 

jo M. (3)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 2:20 pm
Thank you Alexandra, Lee, Carola, Stephan, Gillian, Rob and Jay, for your valiant attempts to educate and counter the anti-Israeli bigotry here. Green stars to all. Keep up the good work!
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 2:48 pm
Abdesalam, sheer hypocracy. Egypt, along with all Muslim controlled countries in the Middle East, have forced out all Jews creating some 1 million refugees. None of them have the right of return nor have they been compensated.

Christians are forced to live on a rubbish tip, they are raped, murdered and arrested having been beaten up by the police for having been assaulted by Muslims.

Slave marriages are now allowed and girls from the age of 9 years can be married to men, that law is coming in. Paedophilia pure and simple.

And how are Palestinians treated in Muslim controlled lands? They live in refugee camps, no access to education, minimal medical care, restricted jobs and no rights. Kuwait threw them out. Why does no-one mention Jordan, the land allocated to the Arabs and it has the same flag as the one that the Palestinians fly. Why are they not allowed there? It is their country! Yet you never mention any of this.

And now Morsi has declared that there is to be no opposition to his despotic rule. Hurrah, the Muslim Brotherhood have proven themselves to be exactly what I, and others, have said all along. No democracy and no rights for you and yours. So, you are envious of Israel.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:01 pm
Abo, you are incorrect in your history. Firstly, when the Mandate of Palestine belonged to the British, they setup a two state solution, all on the right of the Jordan River is to go to the Arabs and all on the left of the Jordan River is to go to the Jews.

Before the British, the land of Israel (all of Mandate Palestine) belonged to the Ottoman Empire and before that to the Crusaders and before that to Rome and before that to Israel.

During all this history, other than Israel, not a single one of these rulers had a capital city in the land of Israel; they merely saw the land of Israel as an extension of their kingdom and had their capital cities elsewhere, London, Istanbul, various European capitals, Rome).

During all this history, not a single of the above listed occupying rulers over the land of Israel claimed the land of Israel as sovereignty (independent country). During all this history, not a single one of these rulers evacuated or expelled Jewish people from living in the land of Israel, thus Jewish families have been living in the land of Israel for over 3500 years uninterrupted!

The last time, before 1948 that Israel was sovereignty (an independent country with its own capital city) was when the land of Israel was under Israeli kings.

The British did not make a mistake by giving Jews back their homeland after the holocaust! The British were very fair in splitting the whole Mandate of Palestine as it was called at that time, into a two state solution between Arabs and Jews (the Arab part of British Mandate of Palestine is now part of Jordan). Where Israel is now, is only a fraction of the original half of the Mandate of Palestine as Israel has since 1948 repeatedly exchange land in the hope to negotiate peace with Lebanon, Egypt, and now a newly invented people group consisting of Arabs called Palestinians.

There has never in history been a country called Palestine, neither a 'nation' called Palestinians ... until Arafat invented them ..

 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:32 pm
Gillian, Your hateful bigotry is all too evident. Most of us see this conflict for what it is. Netanyahu is wrong, Hamas is wrong! And the people continue to suffer. Hamas exists because of the hateful repression of the Palestinian people by Israel. Get rid of Netanyahu and instate someone of compassion who does not want to start WWIII!

Every comment you make on this topic is so anti Islamic that it makes me shudder. Have you no compassion for all of the innocent on both sides?
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:34 pm
You are completely incorrect and always the zionest change history .
Faletine and Falestinians were in the land before and were the majourity .
Zionest convenst jews to come to palestine and are called new immegrants OLEEM HADASHEM and started to steal the land , houses with the help of the British Mandadte ... when the jews formed the IDF groups shtern , hagana ..etc and had the power and weapons (were ready to drive the Palestinians out ) the Mandadate left giving all the weapons, land places to the IDF and the IDF started to violate attack the civilians shout kill everybody and expelled them ....
West Bank is a part of Palestine and Gaza too they were just under the administration of Jordon and Egypt they are not part of them thats when the fire ceased on 1948.
History will never change whatever you and the supporters of the IDF will say ....
Zionest till nowadys tryng to convence jews to come to palestine they are not droven out of the Europe or Arab countries , the Flasha how they came to Falestine 5 years the zionests worked on such project to get them come and in Hebraw it says OOLEEM HADDASHEM which is new immegrants so they are not palestinians they are not citizens they are new immegrants came and took the Falestinians homeland and pardase andthey should return back from where they came , the old jewish who were in Palestine as the Christians and Muslims are wellcome to stay brothers together in Palestine under the FALESTINE FLAG and those came to returnback as Leberman , Natanyahoo and Baraq ...etc they are OOLEEM HADASHEM to the country as others .
This is the fact and TRUE HISTORY .....
The IDF established the state on 1948 by the support of US. UK. EU with the power and weapons while the palestinians has no weapons poor and no support..
THe IDF Rabbie years ago asked the IDF to kill all palestinians even babies.
 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:38 pm
Can anyone confirm what I heard on our news broadcast last night (Australia, Saturday 24/11/12 6.00pm) That the ceasefire has already been broken by Israel. One Palestinine shot dead and in a separate incident 6 injured for trying to put up a flag on the fence. Fact or Old news
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:48 pm
Ros, unfortunately from all I have seen that is correct! Although, I think it is 1 dead and 13 injured by Israeli fire!
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:48 pm
Christians are fully respected from the Palestinians live with the muslims side by side have good relations visit each other respect each other and have full rights together .
In Gaza Muslims and christians are ideal brothers a mosque and church are beside each other thier houses are too, both have the right to learn to get employment in all jobs the same .
Both christians and Muslims (are Palestinians ) suffer the same suffering, both are under the IDF blockade siege , boumbed fired by F 16 and Military Hilukabter the bullets, rockets of the IDF do not distiquish between the Christians and Muslims houses or children.
Christians are having the freedom to practice thier religion as the Muslims and have the chance as the Muslims to get jobs high positions and leading ones ...
No place for lieing and creating hate between Muslims and christians they will not listen to such roomy liers and haters.
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:02 pm
Yes Yes Yes Rose G the IDF broke the ceasefire this is true one killed and 13 wounded from the palestinians by the IDF and they were in thier land in thier field farm near the boarder.... as usual the IDF shout every one farmers and fishermen .
A complained sent to the Egyptians about this....
 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:25 pm
Many thanks to you both Abo r and Carrie B for your quick response Green Stars coming your way if I can so within the guildlines.
Alexandra R. You are in Israel now as we speak - I would be interested in your spin on this. This is more than an "Eye for an Eye" - no rockets, no missile fire. What did they do to deserve this - what autrosities did these people commit against Israel. There are many I'm sure would like to - hear what you have to say.
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:28 pm
For you to know that :
The fire ceased hope will continue and be a step forward for justice and freedom.and peace.
THe IDF violence and attack on GAZA : :
163 killed
1245 wounded
36 wonded in critical condition refered to egypt hospitals
12 wonded in critical condition will be refered to egypt hospitals .
45 wonded in critical condition are in GAZA hospitals
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41 % are children
22% are women
10% are aged
Total 73 % children , women and aged.
50 schools were attacked some partially destructed and majourity are not suitable to be used, and some were completely demolished .. students have no place to study.
Many houses completely demolished on thier inhibitance AL Dalou family 12 members were killed 5 of them are children and 4 women.
Al saleh family 20 thier house demolished on them.
Journaliusts 3 killed , 6 wounded and some had limb amputaion.
This is in addtion to all civil government buildings , priminister office, Alsaraiah and Abu Khadra buildings demolished they are ancient buildings....so on
pray recovery to the wounded
Thanks to the EGYPTIANS for thier help care and treatment .
Pray that cease fire will not break as GAZA is the most crowded area in the world ( more than 1.75 milion in 360 KM2 about 5 in one meter2 in some camps might be 8 in one m2.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:37 pm
Ros G. (30)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:25 pm

Alexandra R. You are in Israel now as we speak - I would be interested in your spin on this.

What did they do to deserve this - what autrosities did these people commit against Israel. There are many I'm sure would like to - hear what you have to say.

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Under shouts of “Allah-u-Akbar”, IDFs were provoked to the extreme in an attempt to get footage in order to demonize Israel... the extreme restraint of the IDF made even this sour attempt at demonization and global condemnation fail miserably ...

Here goes the facts:


A video posted online Friday by Russia Today shows a few dozen Palestinians who are gathered at the border fence while the Israeli forces warn them to move away from the fence. Warning shots are fired, multiple times, while the crowd disperses a few meters away and chants, “Allah-u-Akbar.”

In a SEPARATE incident on Friday morning, Anwar Abdel Hadi Qdeih, a Palestinian man, was killed and 13 others were wounded after Israeli forces opened fire across the Gaza border. The Israeli military defended the shooting by saying that hundreds of Palestinians had attempted to breach the border fence, prompting the soldiers to shoot at them.

emphasis mine ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/23/video-shows-israeli-forces-fire-shots-to-disperse-palestinians-AFTER-a-man-was-killed-at-the-border/?wprss=rss_world


 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:48 pm

It's shocking (actually, and more truthfully . . . APPALLING) the amount of broadly-applied, generalized, dehumanizingly, disrespectful, Islamaphobic rhetoric that is allowed to continue -- both in threads and in articles submitted here, at a site that is supposed to CARE (and has a Code of Conduct protecting members from those who do disrespect that).

Any such hatred so blatantly displayed (and from openly biased, and questionably reliably truthful sources) should be immediately classifiedas "hate speech," and any member actively promoting it should be suspended.

Since WHEN did that rule exclude Muslims and their countries of origin?



 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:03 pm

(Sometimes, when I read the hate-based comments of "certain members" -- predictably, the same Zionist apologists in most such subject-related submissions -- I question many things . . . beyond, but including, their intelligence, capability of grasping and questioning reality, sensitivity.)

There is something that should be concerning to those of intellectual openness about a "pack mentality," and the repetition of rote responses they all seem to have in common.

 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:07 pm
Thank you Alexandra for your quick response - sorry I only speak English - "Allah-u-Akbar" what does that exactly mean and where there hundreds of Palestinians trying to beach the boarders? These are troubled times and the world is hoping that this cease fire will prevail for both sides sake. Wars have such a far reaching effect not only on the minds of children - but it hardens the hearts of the people.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:14 pm

Thank you, Ros.

There is, right now, a cease-fire. Now, both sides have said that's what they wanted.

So, it makes one wonder WHY, at this point of calm, we are still hearing acrimony (from only one side, I must point out).

Hmmmmmmmmmmm . . .

 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:21 pm

I'm not Israeli, nor am I a Palestinian . . .

But, I can't help but notice the similarities of these prejudices to those who decided to escape persecution from their country of origin, travel to the U.S., then proceed to attempt genocide on the inhabitants currently there. Same scenario: "Dehumanize them. Point out the differences in their thinking. Try to "correct" their thinking; and failing that . . . imprison them."

(Oddly, also true of Nazi tactics.)

If it's wrong for one group of colonists/conquerors -- it's wrong for ALL!

 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:23 pm
Ros G. (30)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:07 pm

These are troubled times and the world is hoping that this cease fire will prevail for both sides sake. Wars have such a far reaching effect not only on the minds of children - but it hardens the hearts of the people.

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I agree Ros, it is indeed a miracle when someone remains compassionate amidst war, when someone overcomes war and hate with love, when someone does well and prosper in spite of war and does not allow war to define them or harden their hearts - that's the making of unsung heroes .. we have plenty of these among the IDF .. nobody hears about them, and they don't mind, but each and every day they go that extra mile to walk a Palestinian child used as a suicide bomber to an Israeli hospital, etc, etc ..

 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:49 pm
ALLAH AKBAR , I will say it every body say it , what is wrong with it , it means ALLAH ( God ) AKBAR ( Glory or THe BIGEST )...
They were few persons in thier farm which near the boarder when they were shouted ... OK and if it is true and they said ALLAH AKBAR does that a reason to shout them and break the ceasefire ... are suppost to put a lock on thier mouth and give the key to the IDF and need to have a permission when to speak ...
Do not put rationals to such actions .. everbody must control himself and if something happens cmplain to the Egyptians as what the Gazaian people did .
A word ------ met with shouting killing one civilian and 13 injured.
Shouting and killing one and injurying 13 persons ------ met with a complaint
COMPARE EVERY ONE HERE
Although the IDF want a cease fire but love to kill and see the blood run on the ground ., they just want to kill .
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 7:05 pm
Where are you ?? proved that you are in correct and the zionest in the Occupied Palestine are called in Hebrew UOLEEM HADDASHEEM ( New immegrants in english) is it so aand the directly go to the immigration office belongs to the IDF for registration and some change thier names and have a sort of card and given a palestinian house or sent to a qebotz (setlment ) then moved to the Falestine house and this increased since the ww1 and !! ...
So you came from where ??? or your father or mother and what was your name before comming to Falestine.
 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 7:05 pm
Thank you so much Just Carole, Alexandra R and Abo r. I sit here in my study surrounded by farmland, peace and quite with only the sound of a bull bellowing and the tinkle of my wind chimes. The region is larger than Israel (complete) and a population of less than 1million people. I practise no religion, don't want to hear about The Bible, Koran or The Torah (please forgive me if I spelt these wrong). I'm not Pro Jewish or Muslim and I'm not Anti Jewish or Muslim. Where I live there are no Synagogues or Mosques - even though there are both practicing Jews and Muslims here - you would not know. The Australian way of thinking is changing rapidly due to media reports demonizing Muslims - be very afraid of the Muslims - they are going to take over your Country and force you to live by their Laws - I have spoken to people that totally hate the Muslims even though their only exposure has been through the TV. They would like to see the Palistinian people wiped out because that is one less Muslim to worry about. On the other hand over many years I have heard and seen the demonising of Jews - now days most people are afraid of the Jews because they believe they control the world through the monetory system and that the situation in Israel will lead to the end of the world as we know it - WW3 the final onslaught. This is also sweeping the world and the world is becoming steep in fear - that's what brings out the Hate Spruikers - FEAR. Hilter isn't the only one that was aware of this - "The Pen is Mightier than the Sword" "The War of Words" and "Lose Lips - Sink Ships" "Praise the Lord that we live to fight another day" I have been a Peace Activist since 1971 after seeing what it did to the minds of the men that came back after the Vietnam War and now the same is happening to our women. Words should put an end to all this bloodshed - not esculate it "AS ALL ROADS LEAD TO ONE GOD" It's your God, make Peace with him.
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 7:18 pm
It is Islamophobia and propoganda against Islam Rose , it is not what is the real Islam and Muslims .
Islam and ALLAH are PEACE .. and hate is not in ISlam dictionary I donot say language dictionary... Islam is love peace justice and fairness ....

If there is a small extremist group from muslims are not good this doesnot mean that all muslims are so ....each country and each religion has a deviated extrem ones in the world this does not mean that all the people in the world are so...
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 7:48 pm
I have come to the conclusion that those of us who try to be fair minded and appeal to the humanity in all are losing a battle with those who are so filled with Islamic hate and prejudice that no facts will will ever be good enough to satisfy them. My heart aches for all of the innocent who will die because of that hatred and bigotry. The pain and suffering of children means nothing to those of you who hate Islam more than you love God and all of his children.
 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 8:08 pm
Abo r I still believe that the majority of people in this world are good people all striving to make this world a better place for themselves, their children and hope their countries proper, so they can live in peace with their neighbours and the rest of the world irrespective of their Race, Colour or Creed. Unfortunately there are a small minority that want to take for themselves - again it's not just one Race, Religion or Nation - they are the ones that will jepodise things - the taste power and control - is so heady. Abo I have never found someone is always right - just the same as I have never found someone that is always wrong - no one is that clever or dumb. I always look at both sides of the story without the rhetoric, sentiment, bias or prejudice. I feel for the ordinary citizens on both sides of this wall that our caught up in this never ending power play. I saw the hollow eyes of men that came back from Vietnam (not the ones that went off willing to fight for Queen and Country for what they believed in) but the conscripts - they had no choice and were villified and jailed if they didn't go. They were so scared that they would shoot their own shadow - and when that bullet made contact with another human being they lost their soul forever. War is not the way to Peace but how do you convince a powerful minority.
 

Ros G. (90)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 8:51 pm
Carrie if that was a wrap over my fingers - I deserved that. It should of read:
"AS ALL ROADS LEAD TO ONE GOD" It's your God, then make Peace through him. Both sides need to make Peace and that may mean excepting that ultimately there are many roads (Reglions) to ONE GOD. Sorry Abo I didn't intend any offence. God is Love and God is Peace whichever road or roads are travelled.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:25 pm
I was not here for 2 days and I am utterly ablaze by some fact-incorrect comments. I have to address some:

Alexandra; Friday November 23, 2012, 4:56 am: "Israel first had to exchange half of the British ruled area to Jordan for peace with Jordan, then Israel exchanged areas for peace with Lebanon, then Israel exchanged land for peace with Egypt..." BS! Dont you know when Israel was created?

FYI, Jordan was founded in 1921, Lebanon gained independence in 1943, Egypt gained independence in 1922 and, just in case, Syria gained independence 1946.

All this happened BEFORE the UN Res. 181. in 1947. gave Jews the right to establish their state in 52% of Mandate Palestine.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:27 pm
Kenneth L.; Friday November 23, 2012, 6:37 am: "no Gazan is confined to Gaza. As far as I know they can leave."

... next you will say that Israel does not control Gaza's air, sea, and entrance points (except one with Egypt); that IDF didn't forcibly boarded the Swedish ship Estelle sailing to Gaza in the international waters; that goods do not enter Gaza after being thoroughly checked at Israeli check points; that Gazans don't wait for hours to cross to Israel (and often do not get a permit, without any explanation), that traffic between Gaza and West Bank has to go thru Egypt...
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:28 pm
Alexandra; Friday November 23, 2012, 10:34 am:
"Read the Hamas charter if you have any doubt as to its intentions toward Israel. It clearly states its intention to wipe Israel off the map."

Hamas Pushes For State Along ’67 Borders:

"Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal said last Wednesday that he would accept a Palestinian state along Israel’s pre-1967 borders, a position already taken by Fatah rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

“I accept a Palestinian state according [to] the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as the capital, with the right to return,” Mashaal said during a CNN interview in Cairo where he is exiled.

Mashaal also said Hamas would only recognize Israel once a Palestinian state was created.

“How can I accept Israel? They have occupied my land,” Mashaal said.

He added that Hamas, known for waging terrorist warfare against the Jewish state, would be “ready to resort to a peaceful way, purely peaceful way without blood or weapons” once the state was set up."
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:34 pm
Stephen Brian; Friday November 23, 2012, 1:01 pm:
"Arms-smuggling into Gaza is a clear indication of intent to violate this term of the agreement."

Really? Do we have to assume that IDF is not going to refill their ammunition or weapons stocks, either? Because, if they do, this is, according to your stance, "a clear indication of intent to violate this term of the agreement". And, don't BS that it is Hamas who wants to break the ceasefire. In fact, IDF killed one man and wounded 19 AFTER the ceasefire started (check Haaretz!)
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Your comparison of Gaza with MIT is disgusting and deserves an apology. Besides, I didn't fabricate that definition of "concentration camp". I put a link there, if you want to object.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:37 pm
For some time now I've been aware of something exceedingly dark and growing by leaps and bounds and no one, less they be part of the politics of Zionism, wants any part of it.. Why? The Answer is simple.. It's the politics of hate, cruelty, single-mindedness and exclusion..Carole you so respectfully made some astute observations..

Carrie, carry on dear lady, you're doing what a brave heart must do, bringing attention, shining a light on the travesty's being perpetrated by Israel and all who support the murdering of children and the stealing of land..

These flimflam artist either subconsciously hate Israel or they care not if they represent Israel in a hateful way. Which ever way you look at it, they are certainly not good ambassadors for Israel. That's for sure. Whether they realize it or not "They Make Our Case"

Those who see someone who debates the issues surrounding Israel as anti-Semitic are themselves a scary lot. If these protectors of THE POLITICS of Zionism, me thinks they protest too much, are any indication of what we're all up against, we're all in deep doo doo. I rest my case..
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:40 pm
Alexandra; Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:39 am:
"Israel is fully signed up to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, unlike its neighbours..."
---- not quite fully, Israel signed with written objection to the right to choose a place to live, on a ground of security reasons. (Try land stealing, instead.) Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan Syria, Turkey were amongst the first 48 nations who adopted the UNHR.

As of January 2010, UNRWA cites 1,396,368 registered refugees in camps and 3,370,302 registered refugees not in camps.

The number of UNRWA registered Palestine refugees by country or territory in January 2010 were as follows:
~~ Gaza Strip -- 1,106,195
~~ West Bank -- 778,993
~~ Lebanon -- 425,640
~~ Syria -- 472,109
~~ Jordan -- 1,983,733
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Alexandra; Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:01 pm:
"Abo, you are incorrect in your history."
--- Abo is a 60+ Palestinian from Gaza. He has personally experienced almost all of Israeli occupation.

"Before the British, the land of Israel (all of Mandate Palestine) belonged to the Ottoman Empire and before that to the Crusaders and before that to Rome and before that to Israel."
--- Who was in Palestine when Jews came from Egypt?
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:04 pm
Jelica R. (152)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:40 pm

--- Who was in Palestine when Jews came from Egypt?

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The Canaanites

-- which consisted at that time of Phoenecians, Amorites, Ammonites, Moabites, Edomites, Mesopotamians (Assyrian and Babylonian), Hittites and Ugarites (modern Ras Shamra in Syria).
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:13 pm
Jelica R. (152)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:25 pm


All this happened BEFORE the UN Res. 181. in 1947. gave Jews the right to establish their state in 52% of Mandate Palestine.

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And they were not happy with the lands they had, they wanted more .. and was given more land from the original 52% allocated to the Jews in the hope that Israel could have peace in return.

Therefore the Jews have only a sliver of the 52% of the Mandate of Palestine left ... Jordan got the biggest part! The part intended for the Arabs. Egypt got the second biggest part! All of Sinai Peninsula. Lebanon got most of the Golan Heights and the latest is West Bank and Gaza .. which was originally part of the 52% allocated to Israel.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 1:19 am
A window on everyday life for Palestinians struggling to survive under occupation: 5 Broken Cameras, an award-winning documentary, a work of cooperation between an Israeli & a Palestinian:

Emad Burnat, Palestinian co-director of 5 Broken Cameras, & Guy Davidi, Israeli co-director of 5 Broken Cameras, join together to speak to Amy Goodman & Juan Gonzalez on Democracy Now!, June 2011:

Part 1: "5 Broken Cameras": Home Videos Evolve into Stirring Film on Palestinian Resistance to Israeli Wall : The award-winning new documentary, "5 Broken Cameras," tells the story of a Palestinian farmer who got a video camera to record his son’s childhood, but ended up documenting the growth of the resistance movement to the Israeli separation wall in the West Bank village of Bil’in. He got his first camera in 2005, when his youngest son, Gibreel, was born. Almost simultaneously, the Israeli army began building a separation wall between Bil’in and a nearby Israeli settlement, separating residents from the olive tree groves that are their livelihood. The film shows the nonviolent tactics used by residents of Bil’in as they join with international and Israeli activists to protest the wall’s construction and confront Israeli soldiers.

Part 2: "Acclaimed New Film "5 Broken Cameras" Captures Palestinian Village’s Nonviolent Resistance": The new documentary film, "5 Broken Cameras," tells the story of Palestinian farmer Emad Burnat, who got his first video camera to film his son growing up, but went on to document the residents of his village Bil’in resisting the Israeli separation wall. Over the course of the film, one camera after another is smashed or shot as Burnat films his village’s resistance movement. Focused largely on the experience of Burnat and his family, the film explores the intersection of their life with Palestinian and Israeli politics.

Their documentary has won awards at both Sundance and the IDFA, Amsterdam’s famed documentary festival, and is in theaters now. Here in New York City, it’s playing at Film Forum through June 12th, and it’s just been named a New York Times critics’ pick.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:35 am
Now who said that Gazans enjoy freedom of movement?

Palestinian soccer star Mahmoud Sarsak, 25, was imprisoned for THREE YEARS under Israel’s “Unlawful Combatants Law” – the only prisoner so held – without charge or trial.

His crime? Traveling to the West Bank from Gaza to train with Palestinian National Football Team he belonged to!

Sarsak, from Gaza, traveled to the West Bank to join the Palestinian national soccer team for training & a match in July 2009. Upon his arrival he was abducted by the Israeli occupation military and since that time has been held in Israeli jails, subject to this special version of administrative detention designed especially for Palestinian prisoners from the Gaza Strip.

"...On 22 July 2009 al-Sarsak - who lives in Rafah in the Gaza Strip - was arrested at a checkpoint when he was on his way to the West Bank for a match with his national team. He was interrogated for thirty days and then imprisoned without any trial or a precise legal charge. Family and friends are not allowed to visit him. They do not know why he is being detained for already nearly three years.... 08 June 2012 -
"FIFPro, the voice of all professional footballers in the world: FIFPro World, News- 'Release Mahmoud al-Sarsak from prison' "


Mahmoud Sarsak went on a hunger strike to demand his freedom on March 19 of this year & was near death after 84 days. It was only when his condition became alarming that the Israeli Prison Service finally allowed an independent docter, a docter from the humanitarian medical NGO, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, to examine him. (Btw, PHR-Israel is staffed by both Israeli & Palestinian doctors, who share common humanitarian objectives & commitment, and work TOGETHER on an impressive array of programs & projects)

"The BBC World Service’s World Football program today (June 1, 2012) broadcast an interview with Mahmoud Sarsak, the father of Mahmoud Sarsak, a member of the Palestinian national football squad whose life is at grave risk after 75 continuous days of hunger strike.
The elder Sarsak told World Football that he was desperately worried for his son who has reportedly lost his sight and may be close to death and that he believed Israel was holding his son in order to damage Palestinian football. - Sahar Francis, the director of Palestinian prisoners’ rights group Addameer, also interviewed on the program, said that Israel had provided no evidence to justify, nor even opportunity for judicial review of his detention."

From the BBC World Football site: "The father of the Palestinian footballer, Mahmoud Sarsak, tells us that his son is in a critical condition. It follows his imprisonment and subsequent hunger strike. After nearly three months without food, Sarsak has lost his sight and hearing and is on the verge of dying.
His father tells us how he believes his son’s imprisonment is an effort by Israel to destroy Palestinian football."

06/11/2012 - "World association of professional footballers FIFPro calls on Israel to release Mahmoud Sarsak" :

FIFPro, the association representing professional footballers in dozens of countries, called on Israel immediately to release Mahmoud Sarsak, a Palestinian football player who has been on hunger strike since March to protest his detention for three years without charge or trial by Israel.

“FIFPro, the voice of all professional footballers in the world, demands that Mahmoud Sarsak be released from prison,” the statement begins.


Huffington Post reported that by the time Mahmoud Sarsak was released, he'd been on hunger strike for more than 90 days & no charges had ever been brought against him !

Where is Israel's much-touted democracy here? Or is there perhaps a double standard, proper legal standards only for Israelis, justice in the legal system only for Israelis?
 

Ros G. (90)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:48 am
Barbara W and Jelica R I really do appreciate your comments along with all the others that are so passionate about this conflict that has played out all of my life. I have never walk a mile in Abo r shoes and I wish that he hadn't also, but the reality is he does and we must help in bringing a better life to the people of Palestine. This is something that I've always believed. Watching videos and going to other internet sites is not the answer for me. Maybe I'm just to suspious or questioning of these? Who's behind it and why? Just as I question who's was behind forming the State of Israel and Why..it seemed like the worst possible senario to me as a child and it still makes no sense in my adulthood and that question has never been answered to my satisfaction. I agree with you when you say Alexander R protests too much and I have told her so myself - but I have never asked her the question: has she been called to arms against the Palestine people? There is a human face behind all this and I know we want to protect the innocent as much as we can.
 

Abo r. (101)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 3:06 am
Yes Jelica R I am so and father is 80+, experienced what the IDF did in Deer Yassin as an example to frighten the rest villiges and HAGANA, Stern shouts on the other villeges , the IDF killed all who caught or found in houses No one forgets theses black days when we escaped under shouting running on foot without food and water ... it is crime really it is crime , and when I said UOLIM HADDASHEEM she knew what I am talking about as she / she are one of them , were convensed or thier parents by the Nazist , zionest to came from x country to Falestine , when came changed thier names went to settlements Qeboutz then put in a Falestinian house...
The Key of my house and pardase gate still with us will give to our sons , and there is a certain sign somewhere so oursons can recognize thier houses and pardis I will not say it in order not to give these killers a chance and change the fact as they used to ...
The IDF knows that we have the Falastini money currency since years and clearly written on it FALASTINE in Arabic English ..
When I say what they state is false not correct it is so , they change history even present incudents they lie and say something different the oposit... EXAMPLE : RACHEAL CORRIE Story , Crushed by the IDF Bildozer in Rafeah GAZA ...
 

Christine Linley (11)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 4:16 am
These are the names of the children killed in Palestine between 2000 and 2009.
It does not include the names of the children that the UN states are dying due to contaminated water and bad medical facilities.

THE CHILDREN YOU NEVER KNEW


2000

Muhammad Saleh Muhammad al-Arja, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by Israeli sniper fire to his head near the Rafah boder crossing.

Math Ahmad Muhammad abu-Hadwan, 11, of Hebron, killed by IDF gunfire to his head in Tel Rumeida.

Abdul-Rahman Khaled Hammouda Khbeish, 4, of Balata refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his head.

2001

Obeisi infant girl, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint when her mother was prevented from crossing to reach the hospital.

Muhammad Ismael Hashem Nasr, 10, of Dahyet al-Bareed, near Jerusalem, killed by Israeli settlers.

Isra Ahmad, 11, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint when she was prevented from reaching a hospital.

Mahmoud Ismael al-Darwish, 11, of Dura, near Hebron, killed by IDF shelling to his chest.

Yehya Fathi Muhammad al-Sheikh Eid, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to his face, neck and abdomen.

Iman Muhammad al-Haju, 4 months, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while in her mother’s arms.

Suleiman Sami al-Masri, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his back.

Khalil Ibrahim Muhammad al-Moghrabi, 11, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to his head while playing with a friend near the border with Egypt.

Diya Marwan Hilmi al-Tmeizi, 3 months, of Ithna, near Hebron, killed, with her older brother, by Israeli settler gunfire to her head and back.

Ashraf Khalil Abdul-Minem, 8, of al-Judeidah, near Jenin, killed, with his brother, in an IDF helicopter missile strike during a targeted assassination.

Bilal Khalil Abdul-Minem, 10, of al-Judeidah, near Jenin, killed, with his brother, in an IDF helicopter missile strike during a targeted assassination.

Azhar Said Shalafa, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died at an IDF checkpoint when her mother was prevented from taking her to the hospital.

Muhammad Subhi abu-Arrar, 14, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF sniper fire to his chest while playing in front of his home.

Inas Samir abu-Zeid, 5, of Rafah, Gaza, killed, with her brother, by IDF shelling. Suleiman Samir abu-Zeid, 7, of Rafah, Gaza, killed, with his sister, by IDF shelling.

Abdallah Atatrah, 3, of al-Tarm, near Jenin, died at an IDF checkpoint when the car carrying him was prevented from getting to the Yabad medical center after he fell into a swamp.

Khaled Arafat al-Batash, 2, of Hebron, killed by the IDF and Israeli settlers during a gas attack.

Riham Nabil Younis Abul-Ward, 10, of Jenin, killed by IDF gunfire to her head while in her classroom.

Abed-Rabo infant, newborn, of Bethlehem, died at an IDF checkpoint after its mother was denied access to medical care.

Akram Naim Abdul-Karim al-Astal, 6, of Khan Younis refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his brother and three cousins, by an IDF missile while on their way to school.

Anis Idris Muhammad al-Astal, 11, of Khan Younis refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his brother and three cousins, by an IDF missile while on their way to school.

Muhammad Rateb abu-Shahla, 12, of Jenin, killed by IDF shelling to his head.

Shadi Ahmad Abdul-Moti Arafeh, 13, of Hebron, killed in an IDF helicopter missile strike during a targeted assassination.

Burhan Muhammad Ibrahim al-Himuni, 3, of Hebron, killed in an IDF helicopter missile strike during a targeted assassination.

Muhammad Zakin, 8 hours, of Yamoun, near Jenin, died at an IDF checkpoint after his mother was denied access to medical care.

Rami Salahaldeen Muhammad Zurob, 13, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF helicopter fire to his head while playing in front of his house.

2002

Muna Sami Ataya al-Bajasa, 13, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with her mother, by IDF tank fire to her head during an incursion.

Mahmoud Hasan Ahmad al-Talalka, 7, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen near the Nisanit settlement.

Maria Izaldeen abu-Sarieh, 9, of Jenin refugee camp, killed by IDF shelling to her head while in her home during an incursion.

Inas Ibrahim Eisa Saleh, 9, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Feb. 19 from IDF shelling during a targeted assassination.

Muhammad Hussein abu-Kweik, 8, of Amari refugee camp, killed, with his two sisters, by IDF helicopter fire during a targeted assassination.

Shaima Izaldeen Ibrahim al-Masri, 7, of Ramallah, killed by IDF helicopter fire during a targeted assassination.

Said Ali Ibrahim Subeih, 12, of Ramallah, died of head wounds sustained Feb. 28 from IDF gunfire.

Muhammad Mamoun Fayez abu-Ali, 10, of Tulkarm refugee camp, died of chest wounds sustained March 7 from IDF gunfire during an incursion.

Amani Odeh Muhammad al-Awawdah, 12, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with her mother, brother, sister and cousin, by an IDF land mine while riding on an animal drawn cart.

Salim Odeh Muhammad al-Awawdah, 10, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his mother, 2 sisters and cousin, by an IDF land mine while riding on an animal drawn cart.

Tariq Muhammad Salman al-Awawdah, 10, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his aunt and three cousins, by an IDF land mine while riding on an animal drawn cart.

Mujahed Arafat abu-Shabab, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling.

Shaima Said Abdul-Rahim Hamad, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained March 15 from IDF gunfire.

Iyad Imad Muhammad al-Mughrabi, 11, of Askar refugee camp, died of head wounds sustained March 17 from IDF gunfire.

Riham Hussam Mustafa abu-Taha, 4, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained March 21 from IDF shelling.

Mahmoud Muhammad Musa abu-Yasin, 13, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of abdominal wounds sustained March 12 during a funeral.

Abdullah Samir Omar al-Shubi, 10, of Nablus, killed, with his family of seven, by an IDF missile during an incursion.

Anas Samir Omar al-Shubi, 4, of Nablus, killed, with his family of seven, by an IDF missile during an incursion.

Azzam Samir Omar al-Shubi, 7, of Nablus, killed, with his family of seven, by an IDF missile during an incursion

Salwa Khaled Dahaliz, 10, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head near the Rafah Yam settlement.

Sumaya Najeh Abdul-Hadi al-Hasan, 6, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her head.

Isra Ghaleb Othman, 10, of Beitunia, near Ramallah, killed by IDF gunfire to her side.

Ahed Rasmi Ali Hamad, 5, of Hebron, killed by IDF gunfire during an incursion.

Qusay Farah abu-Aisha, 12, of Askar refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire while playing in his yard during an incursion.

Fadel Mahmoud abu-Zuheirah, 9, of Beitunia, near Ramallah, killed by IDF tank fire to his abdomen while in his home during an incursion.

Rifat Bassam Shehada Awad, 12, of Awarta, near Nablus, killed, with his two brothers, by an IDF armored personnel carrier.

Khayri Bassam Shehada Awad, 11, of Awarta, near Nablus, killed, with his two brothers, by an IDF armored personnel carrier.

Faraj Hekmat Udwan, 4, of Awarta, near Nablus, killed by an IDF armored personnel carrier.

Othman Fadel Khaled Masharqah, 7, of Jenin, killed by IDF shelling to his head and limbs during an incursion.

Asad Faysal Ersan Qarini, 10, of Jenin, killed by IDF gunfire to his head and foot during an incursion.

Huda Muhammad Said abu-Shaluf, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her head while at home during an incursion.

Fadi Ghassan al-Ajlouni, 8, of Hebron, killed by IDF gunfire.

Abed Khaled Muhammad Ismael, 11, of Artas, near Bethlehem, killed by IDF gunfire.

Abeer Muhammad Yousef Zakarna, 3, of Qabatiya, near Jenin, killed, with her brother and mother, by IDF shelling to her limbs.

Basel Muhammad Yousef Zakarna, 4, of Qabatiya, near Jenin, killed, with his sister and mother, by IDF shelling to his back.

Tamer Khaled Mahmoud abu-Siriyye, 10, of Tulkarm, killed by IDF tank fire to his chest while throwing stones.

Salem Sami Salem al-Shaer, 15, of Rafah, Gaza, died of back wounds sustained May 7, with his brother, from IDF gunfire during an incursion.

Anwar Elian Saleh abu-Said, 12, of Juhor al-Deek, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling.

Hussein Eid Hassan al-Matwi, 8, of al-Maghraqa, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to his heart near his home.

Abdul-Samad Hashem Shamlakh, 10, of Gaza City, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while in his home during an incursion.

Ahmad Yousef Abdul-Aziz al-Ghazawi, 9, of Jenin, killed by IDF tank fire.

Fares Hussam Fares al-Sadi, 13, of Jenin, killed by the IDF when his neighbor’s house was blown up.

Sjoud Ahmad Turki Fahmawi, 6, of Jenin, killed by IDF tank fire to her chest and left arm during an incursion.

Jamil Yousef Abdul-Aziz al-Ghazzawi, 12, of Jenin, died of leg and thigh wounds sustained June 21, with his brother, from IDF tank fire.

Bassam Ghassan Ragheb al-Sadi, 6, of Jenin refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest.

Muhammad Shteiwi, 12, of Fara refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest.

Anwar Muhammad Kamal al-Hindi, 2, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with her mother, by IDF gunfire to her head.

Shukri Fayq Abdel-Haj Daoud, 10, of Qalqilya, died of head wounds sustained June 27 from IDF gunfire during curfew.

Ahmad Said Abdul-Jawad abu-Radaha, 7, of Amari refugee camp, killed by an IDF bomb.

Muhammad Mahmoud al-Huwaiti, 3, of Gaza City, killed, with his brother, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Subhi Mahmoud al-Huwaiti, 5, of Gaza City, killed, with his brother, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Ayman Raed Matar, 18, of Gaza City, killed, with his brother, sister and cousins, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Dina Raed Matar, 2, of Gaza City, killed, with her brothers and cousins, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Muhammad Raed Matar, 4, of Gaza City, killed, with his siblings and cousins, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Dunia Rami Matar, 5, of Gaza City, killed, with her cousins, in an IDF airstrike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Ala Muhammad Matar, 11, of Gaza City, killed, with his cousins, in an IDF airstike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Ahmad Muhammad al-Shawa, 5, of Gaza City, killed, with his father, in an IDF airstike while at home during the targeted assassination of Salah Shehada.

Asma Tahseen Ahmad Ahmad, 9, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her back while playing in her front yard.

Hamzeh Muhammad Badawi Dweikat, 13, of Balata, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest and neck while in his home during curfew.

Ayman Atiya abu-Mugheiseb, 12, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained Aug. 7 from IDF gunfire while in his backyard.

Ayman Bassam Nadid Fares, 6, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while in his field near the Ganei Tal settlement.

Jihad Musa Muhammad al-Athra, 6, of Yatta, Hebron, killed by an Israeli settler vehicle.

Bahira Borhan Mefleh Daraghma, 7, of Tubas, killed, with her cousin, by an IDF missile strike during an assassination attempt. Abdul-Salam Fawzi Abdul-Rahman Samreen, 11, of al-Bireh, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen during curfew.

Rawan Murad Eisa Hrezian, 3 days, of Hebron, died at an IDF checkpoint.

Rami Kahlil Ibrahim al-Barbari, 12, of Nablus, killed by IDF tank fire to his head during curfew. Mahmoud Hamza Ahmad Zaghloul, 11, of Nablus, killed by IDF shelling to his heart.

Thaer Salah al-Hout, 12, of Rafah refugee camp, killed by IDF tank fire to his head during an incursion.

Shaima Kamal Yousef abu-Shamaleh, 8, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to her head while in her home during an incursion.

Nafez Khaled Mashal, 2, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen.

Muhammad Rifat abu-Naja, 9, of Rafah, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Oct. 17 from IDF gunfire.

Hamed Asad Hasan al-Masri, 2, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to his chest.

Jihad Tahseen Darweesh al-Faqih, 8, of Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his heart during an incursion.

Fawaregh infant, newborn, of Masarah, near Bethlehem, died at an IDF checkpoint after his mother was delayed on her way to the Bethlehem hospital.

Infant, Newborn, of Tel, near Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire.

Nada Kamal Muhammad Mahdi, 11, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her chest while at home.

Hanin Saud abu-Sita, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her pelvis.

Hanin Abdul-Kader Saleh abu-Suleiman, 8, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her head.

2003

Abdul-Rahman Samer abu-Bakr, 10, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint after he was prevented from reaching medical care.

Iyad Salim Othman abu-Shaer, 12, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died of neck wounds sustained Dec. 24 from IDF gunfire.

Ali Taleb Ghreiz, 8, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to his head.

Mustafa Ibrahim abu-Adwan, 10, of Khan Younis, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained Feb. 7 from IDF shelling.

Aref Omar Afif Bisharat, 13, of Tammun, near Tubas, died of head wounds sustained Feb. 5 from IDF gunfire while throwing stones.

Husni Majdi al-Ghul, 8, of Qalqilya, killed by Israeli border police gunfire to his chest during an incursion.

Abdul-Rahman Mustafa Ali Jadallah, 9, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head during a funeral.

Ilham Ziad Hassan al-Assar, 4, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her abdomen and left foot during an incursion.

Christine George Antoine Sada, 10, of Aida refugee camp, killed by undercover IDF gunfire to her head and chest while riding in a car with her family during a targeted assassination.

Anas Jihad al-Kahlout, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head.

Amir Ahmad Muhammad Ayyad, 2, of Gaza City, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest and abdomen during an incursion.

Elian Saad Elian al-Bashiti, 18 months, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to his head.

Tamer Nizar Fathi Arar, 11, of Salfit, killed by IDF sniper fire to his head during a demonstration.

The IDF frequently shoots Arab ambulance drivers

Afnan Yasser Muhammad Taha, 1, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with her mother, in an IDF helicopter missile strike during the targeted assassination of her father.

Amal Nimer Salem al-Jarusha, 8, of Gaza City, died of wounds sustained June 10 in an IDF helicopter missile strike while playing in her yard during a targeted assassination.

Muhammad Sharif Jawdat Kabaha, 3, of Barta al-Sharkiya, near Jenin, killed by IDF tank fire to his head while waiting in a car with his family at a checkpoint.

Aya Mahmoud Noman Fayyad, 9, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to her chest while in her home.

Sana Jamil al-Daour, 9, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of head and neck wounds sustained Aug. 26 from IDF helicopter fire during a targeted assassination.

Thaer Monsur Noman al-Sayouri, 9, of Hebron, killed by IDF tank fire to his head while in his home during an incursion.

Muhammad Ayman Yousef Ibrahim, 7, of Tulkarm refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest during a targeted assassination.

Ibrahim Ahmad Frej al-Qreinawi, 10, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen while with his family in their yard during an incursion.

Atwa Yousef abu-Muhsen, 8, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head during an incursion.

Muhammad Ziad Muhammad Baroud, 12, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF helicopter fire during a targeted assassination.

Muhammad Ismael Elian al-Hamayda, 10, of Deir al-Balah, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen while on his way to the mosque during an incursion.

Ahmad Muhanad Nafeh Meri, 11, of Jenin refugee camp, died of head wounds sustained Nov. 8 from IDF gunfire to his head while throwing stones at soldiers demolishing a home in Jenin.

Hani Salem Rabayah, 9, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head and neck.

Muayad Mazen Abdul-Rahman Hamdan, 9, of al-Bireh, killed by IDF gunfire to his head during an incursion.

Latifa, premature, of Deir Balut, near Ramallah, died, with her twin sister, at an IDF checkpoint after her mother was delayed access to medical care.

Moufida, premature, of Deir Balut, near Ramallah, died, with her twin sister, at an IDF checkpoint after her mother was delayed access to medical care.

2004

Iman Samir Darwish al-Hams, 13, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head, chest, limbs and abdomen on her way to school near the Tal Zarub army post.

[An Israeli officer who emptied his entire magazine into her, shooting her 17 times at close range, was acquitted of all charges by an Israeli court. He said that he would have done the same even if she had been three years old. He had been charged with minor offences.]

Tariq Majdi Abdul-Muati al-Sousi, 11, of Gaza City, killed by IDF helicopter fire while being driven home from school during a targeted assassination.

Motaz Nafez Hussein al-Sharafi, 11, of Gaza City, died of neck and head wounds sustained Feb. 28 from IDF helicopter fire during a targeted assassination.

Mahmoud Abdullah Hasan Younis, 10, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF sniper fire.

Fatma Muhammad Sharifi al-Jaled, 7, of Khan Younis, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained March 19 from IDF gunfire to her head while playing in her yard with friends.

Khaled Maher Zaki Walwil, 6, of Balata refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his neck while looking out of a window in his home during an incursion.

Iman Muhammad Khalil Talbiyeh, 12, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head while in her kitchen.

Muna Hamdi Shehada abu-Tabak, 10, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her abdomen and left arm while on her way home.

Asma Ali abu-Qaliq, 4, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by IDF tear gas.

Ahmad Muhammad Ali al-Mughayer, 10, of Rafah, Gaza, killed, with his sister, by IDF sniper fire to his head while feeding birds on the roof of his home.

Mahmoud Tariq Mahmoud Monsur, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile during a peaceful demonstration near the Tal Zorub military post.

Mubarak Salim Mubarak al-Hashash, 11, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile during a peaceful demonstration near the Tal Zorub military post.

Walid Naji Said abu-Qamr, 12, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile during a peaceful demonstration near the Tal Zorub military post.

Iyad Muhammad Afana, 13, of Gaza City, died of head wounds sustained May 11 from IDF gunfire during an incursion.

Tamer Younis al-Arja, 3, of Rafah, Gaza, died of a heart attack from IDF shelling. Hamed Yasin Hamed Bahlul, 16, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF helicopter fire near the zoo.

Islam Muhammad Mahmoud Husniya, 13, of Fawwar refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while throwing stones during a demonstration against the Israeli incursion in Rafah.

Rawan Muhammad Said abu-Zid, 4, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head and neck while going to the store with her big sister to buy candy.

Hani Mahmoud Khaled Kandil, 13, of Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his head at close range during an incursion.

Omar Muhammad Awad abu-Zaran, 12, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire near his home.

Ihab Abdul-Karim Ahmad Shatat, 9, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to his chest while walking to the grocery store.

Safah al-Shaer, 4, of Rafah, Gaza, died of wounds sustained July 1 from IDF gunfire.

Samr Omar Hasan Fawju, 3, of Rafah, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained July 8 from IDF gunfire while standing near her home.

Ali Abdul-Rahim Ashraf abu-Alba, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF helicopter fire to his abdomen during an incursion.

Khaled Jamal Salim al-Asta, 8, of Hosh al-Jitan, near Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest while in his home.

Munir Anwar Muhammad al-Daqs, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by Israeli tank fire to his chest near his home during an incursion.

Maram Moufid Abdul-Aziz al-Nahleh, 11, of Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to her face while at home during an incursion.

Raghdah Adnan Abdul-Muati al-Asar, 9, of Khan Younis refugee camp, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained Sept. 7 from IDF sniper fire while sitting at a desk in her United Nations-administered school near the Neve Dekalim settlement.

Saber Ibrahim Iyad Asaliya, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his back while trying to escape during an incursion.

Luay Ayman Muhammad al-Najjar, 4, of Khuza, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to his head while playing near his home during an incursion.

Iman Samir Darwish al-Hams, 13, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head, chest, limbs and abdomen on her way to school near the Tal Zarub army post.

Samah Samir Omar Nasr Musleh, 10, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to her abdomen at the entrance to her home.

Ghadir Jaber Hussein Mukhemar, 9, of Khan Younis refugee camp, Gaza, died of chest wounds sustained Oct. 12 from IDF gunfire while in her classroom at a United Nations-administered school.

Hisham Hassan Husni Ashour, 10, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest at a neighborhood gathering.

Rania Iyad Ahmad Aram, 7, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her neck while preparing to leave for school from her home near the Nouria army post.

Rana Omar Abdul-Hadi Siyam, 8, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire while eating lunch in her home near the Neve Dekalim settlement.

2005

Mahmoud Kamel Muhammad Ghaben, 12, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two brothers and three cousins, by IDF shelling while tending their family’s land.

Rajeh Ghassan Kamal Ghaben, 10, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with five cousins, by IDF shelling while tending their family’s land.

Omar Ramadan Muhammad al-Qrenawi, 6, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained Jan. 13 by IDF tank fire during an incursion.

Rahma Ibrahim Musa abu-Shams, 3, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her head while eating breakfast in her home near the Tal Katif settlement.

Ahmad Ismael Muhammad al-Khatib, 12, of Jenin refugee camp, died in an Israeli hospital of head and abdominal wounds sustained Nov. 3 from IDF gunfire while carrying a toy gun. Ahmed’s organs, donated by his father, saved the lives of three Israeli children and a 54-year-old Israeli woman.

2006

Aya Muhammad Suleiman al-Astal, 9, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire near the Kissufim crossing.

Raed Ahmad Adel al-Batash, 11, of Gaza City, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile during a targeted assassination.

Akaber Abdul-Rahman Izzat Zayd, 9, of Yamoun, near Jenin, killed by IDF gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed during an incursion.

Bilal Iyad Muhammad abul-Einein, 5, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile during the targeted assassination of his father.

Hadeel Muhammad Rabih Abdullah Ghaben, 8, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling to her head while doing homework in her home.

Muhanad Hamdi Farouq Aman, 6, of Gaza City, killed, with his mother and aunt, by an IDF missile during a targeted assassination.

Haithem Ali Eisa Ghalya, 5 months, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his mother, father and four sisters, by IDF shelling from an offshore warship while having a family picnic at Waha beach.

Hanadi Ali Eisa Ghalya, 18 months, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with her mother, father, brother and three sisters, by IDF shelling from an offshore warship while having a family picnic at Waha beach.

Sabrin Ali Eisa Ghalya, 4, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with her mother, father, brother and three sisters, by IDF shelling from an offshore warship while having a family picnic at Waha beach.

Maher Ashraf Farouq al-Mughrabi, 8, of Gaza City, killed, with his brother and father, by an IDF missile while gathered at the site of a targeted assassination.

Samia Mahmoud Ziad al-Sharif, 5, of Gaza City, killed by an IDF missile while going to her local grocery store during a targeted assassination attempt.

Muhammad Jamal Shukri Ruqa, 6, of Gaza City, killed by an IDF missile while going to his local grocery store during a targeted assassination attempt.

Majzarah Shaban Abdul-Qader Ahmad, 12 hours, of Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with her mother and uncle, by an IDF missile during a targeted assassination attempt.

Anwar Ismael Abdul-Ghani Atallah, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained July 5 from IDF gunfire.

Rawan Farid Shaban Hajaj, 6, of Gaza City, killed, with her older brother, while in their home when the IDF bombed their neighborhood gas station.

Walid Mahmoud Ahmad El-Zeinati, 12, of Gaza City, died of wounds sustained July 6 in an IDF missile strike.

Huda Nabil Abdul-Latif abu-Salmeya, 13, of Gaza City, killed, with her parents, two brothers and four sisters, in IDF airstrikes on their family home.

Iman Nabil Abdul-Latif abu-Salmeya, 12, of Gaza City, killed, with her parents, two brothers and four sisters, in IDF airstrikes on their family home.

Yehya Nabil Abdel-Latif abu-Salmeya, 10, of Gaza City, killed, with his parents, brother and five sisters, in IDF airstrikes on their family home.

Aya Nabil Abdel-Latif abu-Salmeya, 9, of Gaza City, killed, with her parents, two brothers and four sisters, in IDF airstrikes on their family home.

Nasrallah Nabil Abdul-Latif abu-Salmeya, 7, of Gaza City, killed, with his parents, brother and five sisters, in IDF airstrikes on their family home.

Nadi Habib Abdullah al-Attar, 10, of Atatra, near Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his grandmother, by IDF shelling while riding on an animal-drawn cart.

Khitam Muhammad Rebhi Tayeh, 11, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while on her way to the grocery store.

Bara Ahmad Hussein Habib, 2, of Gaza City, killed by an IDF missile fired from a drone to his head and abdomen during a targeted assassination.

Shahid Samir Ata Oukal, 8 months, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with her sister and mother, by IDF shelling.

Maria Samir Ata Oukal, 5, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with her sister and mother, by IDF shelling.

Anis Salem Jadua abu-Awad, 11, of Rafah, Gaza, killed in an IDF airstrike.

Shahed Saleh Omar al-Sheikh Eid, 3 days, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling.

Raja Salam abu-Shaban, 3, of Gaza City, killed by an IDF missile.

Nidal Abdul Aziz al-Dahdouh, 14, of Gaza City, killed by IDF sniper fire.

Hussam Ahmad Muhammad al-Sarsawi, 12, of Gaza City, died of wounds sustained Aug. 27 from IDF tank fire.

Iman Usama Fadel al-Harazin, 2, of Gaza City, killed in an IDF airstrike while walking with her father.

Suhaib Adel Zerei Mahmoud Qudaih, 13, of Abasan al-Kabira, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while in his home.

Bara Riyad Muhammad Fayyad, 4, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Nov. 1 from IDF shelling of his home.

Saad Majdi Said al-Athamna, 8, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with 16 family members, by IDF shelling while asleep at home.

Mahmoud Amjad al-Athamna, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with 16 family members, by IDF shelling while asleep at home.

Maram Ramez Masoud al-Athamna, 2, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with 16 family members, by IDF shelling while asleep at home.

Maisa Ramez Masoud al-Athamna, 6 months, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with 16 family members, by IDF shelling while asleep at home.

Abdul-Aziz Salman Muhammad Salman, 10, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF tank fire to his abdomen while playing by al-Zawia mosque.

Ayman Abdul Qader abu-Mahdi, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of head wounds sustained Nov. 25 from IDF gunfire while playing near his home.

Jamil Abdul-Karim Jamil Jabji, 5, of Askar refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire from a jeep to his head while throwing stones.

2007

Abir Bassam Abed-Rabo al-Aramin, 10, of Anata, near Jerusalem, died of head wounds sustained Jan. 17 from an IDF percussion grenade while in her schoolyard during a demonstration against the annexation wall.

Saifadeen Said Khalil Jundiyah, 9, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling from a tank while sitting in front of his home during an incursion. Ahmad Iyad Hiles, 16, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed by an IDF shell during an incursion.

Ibrahim Ali abu-Nahl, 16 months, died of heart disease at the Erez checkpoint, after Israel denied him entry for treatment at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Sana Muhammad Yusuf al-Hajj, 6 months,died of kidney disease at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked a necessary pediatric dialysis unit, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment.

Amir Shahir Abdullah al-Yazji, 9, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of meningitis at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary vaccines, after Israel denied him entry for treatment at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv. An urgent transfer request, submitted five days earlier, went unanswered.

Hala Rohi Muhammad Zanoun, 3 months, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, died of a heart defect and severe skin infections at the European Hospital in Khan Younis, which lacked necessary medical equipment, after Israel denied her entry for treatment at Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer.

Razan Muhammad Kamel Atallah, 6, of Rafah, Gaza, died of cerebral atrophy, after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Yusuf Iyad abu-Maryam, 5, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied him entry to receive medical treatment. Because hospitals in Gaza lacked necessary equipment to administer chemotherapy, the Palestine Ministry of Health had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Oct. 11.

2008

Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Shirin Ismail Abdullah abu-Shawareb, 11, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of heart problems at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment. Doctors had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Dec. 27. On Jan. 10, believing permission for a transfer had been granted, Shirin's father took her to the Erez checkpoint, where Israel again denied her entry.

Amir Muhammad Hashem Muhammad al-Yazji, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, along with his older brother and uncle, by an IDF missile which struck their car on al-Nafaq Street in the al-Daraj neighborhood of Gaza City.

Hamid Maher abu-Hamda, 90 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness that required medicine not available in the Gaza Strip after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Faten Majdi al-Hafnawi, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Tamer Muhammad Abdul-Riziq abu-Shar, 9, of Wadi al-Salqa, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while he and his family attempted to flee their home during an incursion.

Said Muhammad Said al-Aidi, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of a congenital liver defect after he was denied permission by Israel to return to Abul-Rish Hospital for Children in Cairo for medical treatment. Treatment at the hospital had begun in December 2006 and required Said to return again in six months.

Shihab Muhammad Khleif, 20 days, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of a heart defect after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Amin abu-Watfa, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a brain hemorrhage after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Nasr Abdul-Aziz al-Boray, 7 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by shrapnel from IDF missiles to his head and chest while in his home when IDF aircraft destroyed the neighboring Ministry of Interior building. Muhammad was the only child of parents who struggled with infertility for five years before he was born.

Ali Munir Muhammad Dardunah, 6, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his first cousin and a distant cousin, by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

Dardunah Deeb Khalil Dardunah, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

Salah Zaki Mansour, 10, of al-Shouka, near Rafah, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an unexploded IDF ordinance while attempting to salvage it for scrap metal.

Muhammad Zaki Mansour, 12, of al-Shouka, near Rafah, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an unexploded IDF ordinance while attempting to salvage it for scrap metal.

Adel Khalil Barbakh, 11, of al-Shouka, near Rafah, Gaza, killed by an unexploded IDF ordinance while attempting to salvage it for scrap metal.

Saifadeen Said Khalil Jundiyah, 9, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling from a tank while sitting in front of his home during an incursion.

Ibrahim Ali abu-Nahl, 16 months, died of heart disease at the Erez checkpoint, after Israel denied him entry for treatment at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Sana Muhammad Yusuf al-Hajj, 6 months,died of kidney disease at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked a necessary pediatric dialysis unit, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment.

Amir Shahir Abdullah al-Yazji, 9, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of meningitis at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary vaccines, after Israel denied him entry for treatment at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv. An urgent transfer request, submitted five days earlier, went unanswered.

Rawan Samih Diab, 13 months, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of kidney inflammation at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equiptment, after she was denied treatment at an Israeli hospital.

Hala Rohi Muhammad Zanoun, 3 months, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, died of a heart defect and severe skin infections at the European Hospital in Khan Younis, which lacked necessary medical equipment, after Israel denied her entry for treatment at Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer.

Razan Muhammad Kamel Atallah, 6, of Rafah, Gaza, died of cerebral atrophy, after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Yusuf Iyad abu-Maryam, 5, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied him entry to receive medical treatment. Because hospitals in Gaza lacked necessary equipment to administer chemotherapy, the Palestine Ministry of Health had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Oct. 11.

Dua Hani Habib, 6 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a bone marrow disorder after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Shirin Ismail Abdullah abu-Shawareb, 11, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of heart problems at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment. Doctors had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Dec. 27. On Jan. 10, believing permission for a transfer had been granted, Shirin's father took her to the Erez checkpoint, where Israel again denied her entry.

Amir Muhammad Hashem Muhammad al-Yazji, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, along with his older brother and uncle, by an IDF missile which struck their car on al-Nafaq Street in the al-Daraj neighborhood of Gaza City.

Hamid Maher abu-Hamda, 90 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness that required medicine not available in the Gaza Strip after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Faten Majdi al-Hafnawi, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Sana Muhammad Yusuf al-Hajj, 6 months,died of kidney disease at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked a necessary pediatric dialysis unit, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment.

Amir Shahir Abdullah al-Yazji, 9, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of meningitis at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary vaccines, after Israel denied him entry for treatment at Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv. An urgent transfer request, submitted five days earlier, went unanswered.

Rawan Samih Diab, 13 months, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of kidney inflammation at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equiptment, after she was denied treatment at an Israeli hospital.

Hala Rohi Muhammad Zanoun, 3 months, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, died of a heart defect and severe skin infections at the European Hospital in Khan Younis, which lacked necessary medical equipment, after Israel denied her entry for treatment at Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer.

Razan Muhammad Kamel Atallah, 6, of Rafah, Gaza, died of cerebral atrophy, after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Nada Iyad al-Agha, 13, of Khan Younis, Gaza, died of liver disease after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Yusuf Iyad abu-Maryam, 5, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied him entry to receive medical treatment. Because hospitals in Gaza lacked necessary equipment to administer chemotherapy, the Palestine Ministry of Health had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Oct. 11.

Dua Hani Habib, 6 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a bone marrow disorder after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

2008

Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Shirin Ismail Abdullah abu-Shawareb, 11, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of heart problems at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment. Doctors had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Dec. 27. On Jan. 10, believing permission for a transfer had been granted, Shirin's father took her to the Erez checkpoint, where Israel again denied her entry.

Amir Muhammad Hashem Muhammad al-Yazji, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, along with his older brother and uncle, by an IDF missile which struck their car on al-Nafaq Street in the al-Daraj neighborhood of Gaza City.

Hamid Maher abu-Hamda, 90 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness that required medicine not available in the Gaza Strip after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Faten Majdi al-Hafnawi, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Tamer Muhammad Abdul-Riziq abu-Shar, 9, of Wadi al-Salqa, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while he and his family attempted to flee their home during an incursion.

Said Muhammad Said al-Aidi, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of a congenital liver defect after he was denied permission by Israel to return to Abul-Rish Hospital for Children in Cairo for medical treatment. Treatment at the hospital had begun in December 2006 and required Said to return again in six months.

Shihab Muhammad Khleif, 20 days, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of a heart defect after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Amin abu-Watfa, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a brain hemorrhage after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Ali Munir Muhammad Dardunah, 6, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his first cousin and a distant cousin, by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

Dardunah Deeb Khalil Dardunah, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

Salwa Zaidan Muhammad Ghali Assaliya, 13, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with her older sister, by an IDF missile while in her home.

Salsabeel Majid Muhammad abu-Jalhoum, 2, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while in the garden of her home.

Nael Zuhair Shukri abu-Oun, 12, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while standing in the street with friends. . Safah Raed Ali Said abu-Saif, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of wounds sustained from IDF gunfire to her abdomen while in her home. Bled to death when IDF soldiers prevented ambulances from reaching her.

Amira Khaled Faraj abu-Aser, 20 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to her head while in the home of family friends in Deir al-Balah during an incursion.

Iman Amin al-Safi, 4, of Khan Younis, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Salsabeel Ibrahim Tabasi, 9 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of acute pneumonia after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Yusuf Wasim Mushtaha, 2 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of kidney disease after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Ihab Haniya, 14 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a heart defect after Israel denied him permission four times to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment for "security reasons" and threatened to destroy his medical file if additional requests were made.

Nuralhuda Khamis al-Kilani, 7 months, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Ziad al-Ajala, 63 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an atrioventricular septal heart defect at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City after he was twice denied entry to Israel to receive medical treatment.

Masad Ahmad Eid Hassan abu-Metiq, 1, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with his mother, brother and two sisters, by shrapnel from an IDF missile while eating breakfast in his home during a targeted killing.

Hana Ahmad Eid Hassan abu-Metiq, 3, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her mother, sister and two brothers, by shrapnel from an IDF missile while eating breakfast in her home during a targeted killing.

Rudeina Ahmad Eid Hassan abu-Metiq, 4, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her mother, sister and two brothers, by shrapnel from an IDF missile while eating breakfast in her home during a targeted killing.

Saleh Ahmad Eid Hassan abu-Metiq, 5, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with his mother, brother and two sisters, by shrapnel from an IDF missile while eating breakfast in his home during a targeted killing.

Nasim al-Biouk, 4 months, of Rafah, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Yusuf Muhammad Zakut, 2 days, died of an unspecified illness at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Salwa Nahed abu-Tawahin, 8 months, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died of blood cancer at Shuhada al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir al-Balah, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment. The permit request was submitted twenty days prior to her death.

Ward Hashim Sabiha, 10 days, died of kidney disease at al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary medicine, after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Sujud Khalil al-Farra, 1 week, died, with her sister, of an unspecified illness at al-Naser Hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza, which lacked the necessary drug "Alservictant," due to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. A third triplet sister died two days later.

Faiza Khalil al-Farra, 1 week, died, with her sister, of an unspecified illness at al-Naser Hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza, which lacked the necessary drug "Alservictant," due to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. A third triplet sister died two days later.

Aya Hamdan Hamdan al-Najjar, 8, of Khuza, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while playing near her home.

Hamada Saleh Hamada, 4 months, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Hasan abu-Mamar, 17, of Khan Younis, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Ayat Anwar Daheik, 8 months, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Imad Ismail al-Oweini, 6, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, died of kidney disease after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Wasim Iyad Hamdan, 10 months, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Ahmad Husam Yusuf Musa, 11, of Nileen, near Ramallah, killed by IDF gunfire to his head during a demonstration against the annexation wall.

Ahmad Eid abu-Amra, 3 months, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied him entry to receive medical treatment.

Ali al-Dahdouh, 27 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

al-Mutasim Bila Muhammad Jundiya, 2, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of cerebral palsy after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Ala al-Sarhi, 5 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of heart disease after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Abu-Rideh infant boy, of Nablus, died at an IDF checkpoint while his mother was prevented from reaching the hospital for more than forty minutes.

Hadi al-Hassainah, 3, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of protein deficiency in his brain after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Muhammad Ramzi al-Imawi, 18 months, of Jabalya, Gaza, died of cerebral atrophy after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Odeh Saleh Abdul-Al, 7, of Rafah, Gaza, died of a heart and lung disorder after he was denied permission by Israel to return to Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv for medical treatment.

Abdul-Rahman Hani Akram Khuziq, 10 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of cerebral atrophy after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.

Tamer Hassan Ali al-Akhras, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Ahmad Riyad Muhammad al-Sinwar, 3, of al-Zahra City, near Deir al-Balah, Gaza, killed by the IDF in al-Zahra City, near Deir al-Balah.

Uday Abdul-Hakim Rajab Mansi, 6, of Deir al-Balah, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Deir al-Balah.

Samar Anwar Khalil Balousha, 6, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with four sisters, by an IDF missile while sleeping in her home.

Dina Anwar Khalil Balousha, 7, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with four sisters, by an IDF missile while sleeping in her home.

Jawaher Anwar Khalil Balousha, 8, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with four sisters, by an IDF missile while sleeping in her home.

Muath Yasir al-Abed abu-Teir, 6, of Abasan al-Kabira, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Abasan al-Kabira.

Sidqi Ziad Mahmoud al-Absi, 4, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, by an IDF missile while in his home.

Ahmad Ziad Mahmoud al-Absi, 12, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, by an IDF missile while in his home.

Wisam Akram Rabi Eid, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip.

30 December 2008

Lama Talal Shehada Hamdan, 4, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by an IDF missile strike while standing near her home in the al-Rayes area of Beit Hanoun. Her brother died the next day from injuries sustained during the attack.

Haya Talal Shehada Hamdan, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by an IDF missile strike while standing near her home in the al-Rayes area of Beit Hanoun. Her brother died the next day from injuries sustained during the attack.

Ismail Talal Shehada Hamdan, 9, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Dec. 30 in an IDF missile strike which also killed two of his sisters.

Al-Muez Ledinallah Jihad al-Nasla, 3, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with his sister, by IDF bombs while on his way to the market in the al-Nada apartment buildings near a water reservoir in Izbat Beit Hanoun.

2009

Muhammad Iyad Abed-Rabo al-Astal, 12, of al-Qarara, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with his brother and distant cousin, by an IDF missile fired from a drone, on their return home from picking sugar cane at a nearby field. Two of the boys died at the scene, while the third died on his way to the hospital.

Abed-Rabo Iyad Abed-Rabo al-Astal, 8, of al-Qarara, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with his brother and distant cousin, by an IDF missile fired from a drone, on their return home from picking sugar cane at a nearby field. Two of the boys died at the scene, while the third died on his way to the hospital.

Abdul-Satar Walid Abdul-Rahim al-Astal, 10, of al-Qarara, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed, with two distant cousins, by an IDF missile fired from a drone, on their return home from picking sugar cane at a nearby field. Two of the boys died at the scene, while the third died on his way to the hospital.

Muhammad Musa Ismail al-Silawi, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with 14 others, by an IDF missile fired from a drone at a mosque in Jabalya refugee camp during sunset prayers.

Hani Muhammad Musa al-Silawi, 6, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with 14 others, by an IDF missile fired from a drone at a mosque in Jabalya refugee camp during sunset prayers.

Ziad Muhammad Selmi abu-Snaima, 10, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while in the streets of al-Nasr, near Rafah.

Baha Muayad Kamal abu-Wadi, 8, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Asma Ibrahim Husain Afana, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Shatha al-Abed Muhammad al-Habbash, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with her cousin, by an IDF missile while at home in Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Farah Amar Fuad al-Helu, 1, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with her grandfather, by IDF gunfire while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Suheir Ziad Ramadan al-Nimr, 11, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with her brother, by IDF shelling while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Mahmoud Sami Yahya Asaliya, 3, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by an IDF shell while in his home.

Ibrahim Kamal Subhi Awaja, 9, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Beit Lahya.

Jihad Samir Fayez Erhayem, 9, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Wadi Amin Omar Omar, 3, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Beit Lahya.

Hamza Zuhair Riziq Tantish, 12, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his older brother, by an IDF shell while on the roof of his grandfather's house in Beit Lahya.

Wiam Jamal Mahmoud al-Kafarneh, 2, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 4 in an IDF attack on Beit Hanoun.

Arafat Muhammad Arafat Abdul-Dayem, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by the IDF in an attack on the funeral of his cousin, a paramedic who was killed in the line of duty by the IDF on Jan. 4.

Sayed Amr Riziq Saber abu-Eisha, 12, of Shati refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his father, sister and brother, by an IDF missile while in his home.

Ghaida Amr abu-Eisha, 8, of Shati refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with her father and two brothers, by an IDF missile while in her home.

Muhammad Amr abu-Eisha, 10, of Shati refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his father, sister and brother, by an IDF missile while in his home.

Fatheia Ayman Salim al-Dabbari, 4 months, of Rafah, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling in al-Shouka, near Rafah.

Muamen Mahmoud Talal Allaw, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while in his home.

Nasr Ibrahim Helmi al-Samouni, 5, of Gaza City Gaza, killed with two brothers, an older brother, an uncle, a first cousin, seven distant cousins, and nine other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Muhammad Helmi Talal al-Samouni, 6 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his first cousin, nine distant cousins, and eleven other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Azza Salah Talal al-Samouni, 6, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with her first cousin, nine distant cousins, and eleven other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Huda Nael Faris al-Samouni, 7, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two first cousins, eight distant cousins, and eleven other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Ahmad Helmi Atiyah al-Samouni, 4, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with ten distant cousins and eleven other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Al-Mutasem Bilah Muhammad Ibrahim al-Samouni, 1 month, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with ten distant cousins and eleven other relatives, by IDF bombs while at home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Aya Usama Nayif al-Sersawi, 6, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while in her home in al-Shejaya, near Gaza City.

Muhammad Salam Awad al-Tarfawi, 4, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF near the al-Je'el gas station on al-Karama street in Jabalya.

Ismail Haider Eleiwa, 7, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two brothers and a sister, by IDF shelling while at home in al-Shejaya, near Gaza City.

Lana Haidar Eleiwa, 10, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with three brothers, by IDF shelling while at home in al-Shejaya.

Muamen Haidar Eleiwa, 12, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two brothers and a sister, by IDF shelling while at home in al-Shejaya.

Shahid Muhammad Amin Hiji, 3, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Nada Radwan Naim Mardi, 6, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Beit Lahya's al-Seyafa neighborhood.

Ahmad Jabr Jabr Hweij, 6, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Dec. 27 during an IDF attack on Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Ahmad Shaher Fayq Khudair, 10, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan 3 in an IDF attack on Beit Lahya's al-Seyafa neighborhood.

Islam Odeh Khalil abu-Amsha, 12, of al-Shejaya, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed by an IDF tank shell in Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Muhammad Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 7 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, three sisters, his parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at his grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Ala Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 7, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with three brothers, two sisters, her parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Ali Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, three sisters, his parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at his grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Sharafeddin Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, three sisters, his parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at his grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Raba Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 6, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with three brothers, two sisters, her parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Khitam Iyad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 5 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with three brothers, two sisters, her parents, paternal grandparents, six first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Bara Ramez Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 2, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with a sister, her parents, paternal grandparents, ten first cousins, two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Salsabil Ramez Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 5 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with a sister, her parents, paternal grandparents, ten first cousins two aunts, and an uncle, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Yusif Muhammad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 2, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with three sisters, his mother, paternal grandparents, two aunts, and two uncles, by IDF bombs at his grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Amani Muhammad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 6, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two sisters, a brother, her mother, paternal grandparents, two aunts, and two uncles, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Qamr Muhammad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two sisters, a brother, her mother, paternal grandparents, two aunts, and two uncles, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Arij Muhammad Fayez Misbah Hashim al-Daia, 3, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with two sisters, a brother, her mother, paternal grandparents, two aunts, and two uncles, by IDF bombs at her grandfather's home in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Abdul-Jalil Hasan Abdul-Jalil al-Hels, 8, of Shati refugee camp, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile that struck a police vehicle parked nearby in Shati refugee camp.

Adam Mamoun Saqr Ramadan al-Kurdi, 3, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp.

Zakaria Yahya Ibrahim al-Tawil, 5, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling at a house in Block 2 of Nuseirat refugee camp.

Hassan Ata Hassan Azzam, 20 months, of al-Mughraqa, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother and father, by the IDF in al-Mughraqa.

Ibrahim Suleiman Muhammad Baraka, 12, of Bani Sheila, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Bani Sheila.

Nur Muin Shafiq Deeb, 3, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, a sister, and a first cousin, by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.

Aseel Muin Shafiq Deeb, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with three brothers and a first cousin, by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.

Lina Abdul-Monim Nafez Hasan, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.

Muhammad Basem Ahmad Shaqoura, 9, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp.

Marwan Hasan Abdul-Muamin Qdeih, 5, of Abasan al-Kabira, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by an IDF shell near his home in Abasan al-Kabira.

Ranin Abdullah Ahmad Saleh, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp. Shahid Husein Nazmi Sultan, 8, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya refugee camp.

Anas Aref Baraka, 8, of Wadi al-Salqa, near Deir al-Balah, Gaza, died in an Egyptian hospital of head wounds sustained Jan 4. from IDF gunfire in Deir al-Balah.

Abdullah Muhammad Shafiq Abdullah, 11, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan 6. from IDF shelling near al-Fakhoura school in Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza.

Suad Khaled Muhammad Abed-Rabo, 7, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by IDF tankfire to her chest after her family, waving white flags, left their home in Izbat Beit Hanoun to search for water.

Amal Khaled Muhammad Abed-Rabo, 2, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by IDF tankfire to her chest after her family, waving white flags, left their home in Izbat Beit Hanoun to search for water.

Tawfiq Khaled Ismail al-Kahlout, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with a brother, an older brother, father and distant cousin, by an IDF missile while riding in a car through the Beit Lahya Housing Project.

Radwan Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Abdul-Rahman Muhammad Radwan Ashour, 11, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile in Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Hussam Raed Rizq Subuh, 12, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while standing among a crowd of people in Beit Lahya's al-Salateen neighborhood.

Basma Yasser Abed-Rabo al-Jilawi, 5, Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF bomb shrapnel in Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza.

Yousef Awni Abdul-Rahim al-Jaru, 2, Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his mother, a Ukranian national, by an IDF tank shell in Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Amr Ibrahim Khalil Balousha, 10, of al-Zahra, near Gaza City, Gaza, killed in al-Zahra City.

Bara Iyad Samih Shalha, 7, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in the Beit Lahya Housing Project.

Shahid Saadallah Matar abu-Halima, 18 months, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in the Beit Lahya Housing Project.

Ghainma Sultan Fawzi Halawa, 11, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya. Ala Ahmad Fathi Jabr, 13, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by IDF tankfire in Jabalya.

Fatima Raed Zaki Jadallah, 11, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home in the camp's Tal al-Zatar area.

Rana Fayez Muhammad Salha, 12, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his mother, two brothers and a sister, by an IDF missile while at home in Beit Lahya.

Baha Fayez Muhammad Salha, 5, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his mother, brother and two sisters, by an IDF missile while at home in Beit Lahya.

Rula Fayez Muhammad Salha, 2, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with her mother, two brothers and a sister, by an IDF missile while at home in Beit Lahya.

Ali Kamal Ali al-Nethur, 11, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile while fleeing an apartment building in Jabalya under IDF attack.

Abdul-Rahman Ahmad Haboush, 4, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Zakaria Hamid Khamis al-Samouni, 8, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 4 during an IDF attack on Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Amal Najib Muhammad Aloush, 12, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling in Jabalya.

Tasnim Yasir Jabr al-Rafati, 3, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile strike targeting her father while at home in Jabalya.

Faris Talat Asad Hamouda, 2, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's Tal al-Hawa neighborhood.

Haitham Yasir Yousef Marouf, 11, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile in Beit Lahya.

Ayat Kamal Mahmoud al-Bana, 12, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by IDF tankfire in Jabalya. Fadallah Imad Hasan al-Najjar, 2, of Jablya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile strike on Jabalya refugee camp.

Nashat Raed al-Firi, 12, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile strike on Jabalya. Abdul-Rahman Muhammad Atiya Ghaben, 15, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by IDF bombs in Beit Lahya.

Basim Talat Jamil Abdul-Nabi, 12, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile while playing on the site of a demolished house in Jabalya refugee camp.

Qasim Talat Jamil Abdul-Nabi, 7, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by an IDF missile while playing on the
 

Christine Linley (11)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 4:35 am
Hamza Saadallah Matar Masoud abu-Halima, 8, of Atatra, near Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two brothers and his father, by IDF bombs in Beit Lahya.

Ziad Saadallah Matar Masoud abu-Halima, 10, of Atatra, near Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two brothers and his father, by IDF bombs in Beit Lahya.

Aisha Ibrahim al-Said al-Najjar, 4, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya.

Hadeel Jabr Diab al-Rafati, 9, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya, Gaza.

Khalil Muhammad Musa Bahar, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling in Gaza City's al-Shaf neighborhood.

Hala Isam Ahmad al-Mnei, 1 month, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan 13 in an IDF attack on Beit Lahya.

Haneen Fadel Muhammad al-Batran, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's Tal al-Hawa neighborhood.

Shaima Adel Ibrahim al-Jadba, 9, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling while at home in Gaza City's al-Tufah neighborhood.

Bara Ata Hasan al-Ermaliat, 1, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two sisters and her mother, by IDF shelling in Beit Lahya.

Arij Ata Hasan al-Ermaliat, 2 months, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two sisters and her mother, by IDF shelling in Beit Lahya.

Husam Muhammad Shaban Eslim, 7, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, with his brother and first cousin, by an IDF missile strike during a targeted assassination.

Ahmad Usama Muhammad Kurtom, 7, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Gaza City's Rimal neighborhood.

Anwar Salman Rushdi Abdul-Hai abu-Eita, 7, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with two cousins and an older relative, by an IDF missile in Beit Lahya.

Malak Salama Abdul-Hai abu-Eita, 3, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with her brother, cousin, and an older relative, by an IDF missile in Beit Lahya.

Ahmad Salama Abdul-Hai abu-Eita, 10, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his sister, cousin, and an older relative, by an IDF missile in Beit Lahya.

Muhammad Atef Muhammad abul-Husni, 12, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Jabalya.

Iman Isa Abdul-Hadi al-Batran, 11, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with her mother, sister, and three brothers, by an IDF missile fired from an Apache helicopter while at home in Bureij refugee camp's Block 4.

Bilal Isa Abdul-Hadi al-Batran, 6, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his mother, two sisters, and two brothers, by an IDF missile fired from an Apache helicopter while at home in Bureij refugee camp's Block 4.

Izaldeen Isa Abdul-Hadi al-Batran, 3, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his mother, two sisters, and two brothers, by an IDF missile fired from an Apache helicopter while at home in Bureij refugee camp's Block 4.

Muhanad Amr Khalil al-Jdeili, 8, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile while at home in Bureij refugee camp's Block 7.

Rawan Ismail Muhammad al-Najjar, 7, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by IDF shelling in Jabalya.

Bilal Muhammad Shehada al-Ashkar, 6, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by IDF shelling near a U.N.-administered school in Beit Lahya.

Muhammad Muhammad Shehada al-Ashkar, 4, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed, with his brother, by IDF shelling near a U.N.-administered school in Beit Lahya. Aseel Munir Matar al-Kafarna, 1, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Beit Hanoun.

Fawzia Fawaz Ahmad Saleh, 5, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with her brother, by IDF shelling in Jabalya.

Ahmad Fawaz Ahmad Saleh, 10, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with his sister, by IDF shelling in Jabalya.

Rakan Muhammad Musa al-Ir, 5, of Izbat Abed-Rabo, near Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with his brother and older sister, by an IDF missile in Izbat Abed-Rabo.

Ibrahim Muhammad Musa al-Ir, 12, of Izbat Abed-Rabo, near Jabalya, Gaza, killed, with his brother and older sister, by an IDF missile in Izbat Abed-Rabo.

Angham Rafat Atallah al-Masri, 10, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by an IDF missile in Beit Hanoun.

Isa Muhammad Iyada Rimeliat, 12, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Rafah refugee camp's al-Shaboura section.

Abdullah Nasr Abdullah al-Sdoudi, 7, of Nuseirat, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 18 in an IDF attack on Nuseirat.

Nancy Said Muhammad Waked, 6 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 18 in an IDF attack on Gaza City's al-Zaytoun neighborhood.

Muhammad Yahya Said Baba, 11, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 10 in an IDF attack on Beit Lahya.

Sundus Said Hasan abu-Sultan, 4, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of wounds sustained on Jan. 17 in an IDF attack on Jabalya refugee camp.

Dima Said Ahmad al-Zahal, 5, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Jan. 7 in an IDF attack on Beit Lahya.

Zaynaldeen Muhammad Zurub, 7 months, died of a lung infection in the Gaza Strip's European Hospital after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment. His parents tried for several weeks prior to his death to obtain a permit from Israel to take him to Jerusalem for treatment.

Muhammad Taysir Muhammad Zumlot, 11, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died in al-Amal Hospital in Gaza City, Gaza, of head wounds sustained Jan. 6 from IDF bombing while at home in Block 2 of Jabalya refugee camp. His grandmother and father were also killed in the attack.

2010

Hamza Samar Muhanna abu-Maria, 7 months, of Beit Omar, Near Hebron, died of IDF tear gas inhalation May 7 while in her home during a demonstration.

These are the children we never heard of, remember them now.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 5:21 am
No surprise to see the hateful bigots here.
My heart goes out to all the people who are suffering. We all bleed the same.
Here is a great YouTube video with Abby Martin and the hard-to-believe-a-word-from Alex Selsky in Tel Aviv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioZC342N4vE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 5:46 am
There are many stars I'm unable to send, but will send when the time limit is up. (Abo, Just Carole, Kit, Vicky, Abdessalam and everyone else here on the good side of humanity)
Thank you for posting this Carrie.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 8:26 am
Seems there's a glitch in care2, my last posted comment disappeared!

PeasantDiva WorldMinga (68)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:35 am
Now who said that Gazans enjoy freedom of movement?

Palestinian soccer star Mahmoud Sarsak, 25, was imprisoned for THREE YEARS

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Once more, your anti-Israel bias is shocking PeasantDiva!

(BTW Christine, a list of casualties is neither here nor there imho .. or did you think Israeli civilians don't also spill blood when targeted by terrorists? OR that Jewish refugees evacuated from Iran, and neighbouring Arab lands don't feel pain, upset when their family homes are taken from them?)

Had Mahmoud Sarsak been in Gaza he would have been dragged through the streets of Gaza half-naked and executed (read my first comment on this thread) without even a chance of saying a single word (even if he was completely innocent as these 6 men in Gaza were), let alone given the chance to put his side of the story and then later released due to not enough evidence (his hunger strike is 100% his own choice, he has only himself to blame). Israel is not the only country suffering under terrorists. In Britain, preachers who incite terrorism even if with words only have their freedoms removed in order to protect civilians, so people suspected of plotting terrorism, so too in the EU and USA and many other countries, does that mean these countries are not democratic because they protect their civilians from random terrorist attacks?
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 11:51 am
Gillian Miller,one of hasbaraa graduates,hate mongers ,Islamophob, has nothing to say and challenge the facts posted here shedding the lights on the crimes of Zionism. Failing to challenge these facts she has on one way: to speak or write out of topic to run away from facing the truth. Poor Gillian.
As I mentioned before the best way to stop fools and ignorants is to ignore them,If they didn't stop let them bark.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 12:03 pm
Here's a link to how some can report news and get suspended and others can spew hatred and death threats and not get suspended on Twitter.

My point here is to show a compilation of recent, horrid, hate-filled tweets (from Twitter), even death threats, towards Gazans... (I can't make this 'stuff' up!)

So sorry I'm unable to post hyper-links.

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/retweet-if-want-to-let-support-of-twitter-know-you-dont-like-anonopssweden-got-suspended-art19iccpr/
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 12:48 pm

I wonder why the same people always feel that Care2 is a publishing house for books and not a place for simple but direct comments? The best arguments are discussions, not battles. The best comments are based on facts presented simply, directly and with out any disparaging of those who have provided an article for us to read. No one at any time suggests that all must or should agree, but civil conversation, does have the ability to sometimes influence the person reading but who may be undecided.

To me this is about human rights - more to the point the missing rights of all children to grow up with the most basic necessities for human life and the right to live without fear and bombs. In this conflict of egos, the children of Israel and the children of Palestine are affected for life, as are so many children around the world.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:21 pm
Hi Jelica,

There is a major difference between the IDF refilling its arms-supplies and Hamas doing that: the only country against which Hamas uses its weapons is Israel. Hamas' charter demands the destruction of Israel. The same is not true in reverse: There are many other reasons why Israel would rebuild its arms-supplies, like Hezbollah, violence on the Syrian border, worries about future trouble from Egypt, Fatah, and other groups. Hamas is not about to start launching Grad rockets at Gaza to attack the P.I.J. or other groups, so there is only one reason why it would get more.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 3:57 pm
Correction to my post 3 posts up: the tweets are ON Twitter not FROM Twitter. Also, perhaps Gazans should be Gazians? Sorry for not being sure.
 

Ray Shaw (13)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 6:15 pm
Perhaps Gaza would not be the largest open air prison in the world if the USA stopped funding and arming the israeli war machine?

 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 6:45 pm
Hi Ray,

Who said Gaza was the largest open-air prison?

Kazakhstan is landlocked, so to leave it, you have to travel to another country, and may be denied a visa if the other country doesn't like you or doesn't have good relations with Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan, by the same logic as is often applied to Gaza, is over two-and-a-half million square kilometres of "open-air prison", containing over sixteen-million people. I know about the usual line that Israel controls all passage into and out of Gaza, but that's just not true: It doesn't control the border between Gaza and Egypt. Egypt controls the Rafah crossing, so in neither case does any single entity has a veto over passage into and out of the area in question.
 

Ray Shaw (13)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 6:56 pm
Gazans are encased in Israeli concrete, their olive groves have been bulldosed and their borders are closed. The only way Gaza can import food and medical supplies is through tunnels which Israel is continually bombing. - Gaza is the largest open air prison in the world.
 

Ros G. (90)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 7:06 pm
Abdessalam and other Comment makers - The Hate Spruiker/Scare Mongers do not only comment on this network and run stories on C2NN They also have access to Friends of Friends,etc Recently I received an email asking me to sign Petition that originated through many fwds, it was about "the torturing of dogs in Eygpt by Islamists" She watched the video and she was so horrified and disgusted she sent it on begging all to sign. She asked us to watch the video and fwd the Petition on to our friend network. Sorry Beth S these tactics don't work on all - my advice is Delete these people from your friend list and before excepting a new link see if they are part of that friends network. I think we are becoming very familiar with their names, etc
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday November 26, 2012, 5:13 am
Isreali soldiers -- Breaking the Silence...

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database/1615
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday November 26, 2012, 12:52 pm
Hi Ray,

First problem with your latest comment: Gazans are not entirely encased in concrete. They are also encased in a blockade by sea. More importantly, though, the physical barrier would mean nothing i Israel allowed free passage, which, given the conditions of rebellion in the Gaza Strip, is highly unlikely any time soon. The narrative of Gaza as a prison started before the physical barrier was built, though, because with Israel not allowing free passage, Gazans were not allowed to pass through its territory even without it. The physical barrier is meaningless either way. The issue is only the legal one, and borders are expected to be closed when the two sides are run by leaders who are effectively at war, even during ceasefires, until peace is established.

The second problem is that the vast majority of food and medical supplies do not come through the tunnels. they come through the border with Israel and are delivered to the UNRWA there, and then sometimes stolen by militias to be sold illegally. However, two of the most important goods, don't even come like that: Israel donates to Gaza the vast majority of its electricity (try surviving a summer in a Middle Eastern city without air-conditioning) and potable water (try surviving anywhere without that).

The arguments you have raised so far in support of Gaza being an open-air prison are either outright false or so general that I could call Ethiopia, Kazakhstan, and other landlocked regions with effective borders "open-air prisons".
 

Ros G. (90)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:04 pm
It reminds me of another time in history: August 13, 1961 THE BERLIN WALL. Israel have a Duty of Care to the Palestinian people - and yes their justification is that they provide electricity and water to them. Life would be so simple for all of us if we could just rely on these two elements.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:11 pm
some people feel happy and pleased seeing the blood pouring by firing, they grow and proud of contining giving lies and changing facts and events.
1- ( Israel donates to Gaza the vast majority of its electricity ) Monday November 26, 2012, 12:52 pm .... Te Gazians are paying the bill of the electricity through the PA and it is deducted from the Taxes ... All Gaza strip areas are not having electricity from 8 - 10 hours daily , so this alie the IDF do not donat.
2- (The second problem is that the vast majority of food and medical supplies do not come through the tunnels. they come through the border with Israel and are delivered to the UNRWA there, and then sometimes stolen by militias to be sold illegally. However, two of the most important goods, don't even come like that:)
***The IDF controls how many trucks to pass through the boarders which is not enough for the daily needs ,
*** The IDF controls which things to pass to GAZA and many many things are not allowed as raw materials for factories to work , materials for rebuilding those schools, med. centers and buildings demolished by the IDF on 2008 - 2009 .
*** Fishermen are shoutd while fishing in the GAZIAN national water and sometimes are prisoned .
*** The Gazians are not stealers and thieves to steal the drugs which is coming to thier patients which is either donated drugs or comming from PA , or bought by the GAZIAN MONEY ...
Take the wood from your eye then take about stealing , the IDF is stealing the Falestiniabn land , Olives too.
3- Free Passage this is incorrect the IDF used to prevent patients to go abroad for treatment and prevents the Falestinians to go to AL HAJ in MAKA ( Bilgrim) which a reliogion practice.
and preventing from going to the West Bank .
Yes GAZA BY THE BLOCKADE SIEGE IS A PRISON.
Please say the truth which last forever and lies doesnot last minutes as te truth is known by International Organization preasent in GAZA as an Eye Wittness and NGOs and The Gaza.ians know it do not cover the crime with hony it is a crim whatever it is dreesed with.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:59 pm
The Gazian people do not want trucks of ballons, toys, balls , playing materials it is needed but it is not the top priorty , ** Gazians do not want ICE CREAM we can live without it and our electricity is off 10 hours it will be wasted....
** Gazians need the RAW material for the factories to function , so the workers can work and earn money to buy food clothes to thier children.
** Gazians need the material to purify the water to drink pur healthy water .
** Gazians need to have proper suitable buildings , they are ready to buld wants the materials for the rebuildings.
** Gazians Youth wants shelter wants a house to build thier life .
**Gazians children wants suitable place to study , suitable environment to live as the children in other countries.
** Gazians need to have 24 hours electricity so they can cope with the hot weather in summer and cold weather in winter., and hospitals to function , the operating rooms , ICU and ICCU and premature babies , artificial kidneys hemodialysis patients units to function 24 hours.
** Gazians need to repair and re construct the infrastructure of towns, villeges, camps, hospitals , schools etc as the sewage system.
** Gazians wants to reconstuct the roads and streats , bridges which destructed..
** want to develop progress like other countries and they are educated enough and intellegent ones.
** want to move freely in thier fields to plant trees , olives , fruits , citrus fruit, vegetables .
** want to fish freely in the national water and spend summertime at the beach.
** want enough rooms to live in and enough class rooms for children to learn .
******* Want PEACE AND SAFETY. ...

They want to finish the seperation wall in the WEST BANK ... Barlin wall fall .

 

Ros G. (90)
Monday November 26, 2012, 3:08 pm
Abo r I admire your courage - food stolen by the militias and sold illegally - I never believe that one - it's a standard line we hear from other Governments around the world to justify food not getting through. We sent it - but it was stolen to sell on the black market- forgotten how many times I've heard that one. Maybe it's time for the Peace Keepers to distribute food, medical supplies, etc on both sides of the wall. Surely this can happen.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Monday November 26, 2012, 3:11 pm
Correct Stephen, and Israel does a lot more too. For example I'm one of the teachers who have Palestinian students driven across the border to our schools in Israel and taught English. Many of the Israeli Palestinians attending ours schools in Israel have family among the Gazans, and enjoy it when they're joined by their Gazan extended family for lessons. And there are many other voluntary projects where mothers and their toddlers are taken to the beaches in Israel for example, to foster positive relationships and to help these young children traumatized by all the violence they experience almost daily in Gaza to relax and have some quality family time.

These youngsters have positive attitudes towards Jewish/Israeli people, and are increasingly getting fed up with their corrupt, violent, blood-thirsty leaders.

Though I must admit that I do wish that Israel would do even more along these lines .. Israel has helped the people from Haiti with great success to re-establish their farms for example. The same know-how and help given the farmers of Haiti would certainly benefit the Gazan farmers, however, I suppose that the risk doing this sort of project in Gaza at present is too high, and on the other hand it has to be a two-way thing. Unless Gazans are increasingly willing to take advantage of such projects, it might not get far.

Israel does a lot for any Gazan business man who wishes to have trade relations with Israel, for example the newest and biggest shopping mall in Rishon Lezion (Near Tel Aviv) is owned and managed by a business man living in Gaza.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:03 pm
To day News:
The Number of the killed persons raised to 174 due to the death of some of the wounded and were in critical conditins.

UNRWA :
*: 217 houses were destructed in the 8 days attack of the IDF to GAZA.
* Majourity of GAZA children will end with some different psychological problems which will last along tier life.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:06 pm
Racist much? --> Head of @IDFSpokesperson shutting down public access to his Facebook after pictures of him in blackface got around: http://t.co/4EYnZyxn
 

Ros G. (90)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:08 pm
Welcome back Alexandra your words are encouraging - mix and mingle - break down the barriers - it starts with little steps - here in Australia we have a song "from little things big things grow" It's about the struggle of the Aboriginal people. The soil connects you with mother earth - I remember the stories about the Kabutzes and how much people enjoyed working in them. We have "community gardens" here to help intergrate our multi-cultural groups to break down the barriers. A small peice of land where they grow vegetables and fruit to share. They have introduced that into the schools as well - with great success. Maybe an option - a small peice of land where both sides feel safe...Possible - I think so you are such good gardeners/farmers who enjoy working the land - a simple little step.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:12 pm
Sorry... my link above was a shortened one for Twitter.
Here is the URL for the item on the head of social media for the IDF: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/sacha-dratwa-post-social-media-facebook#disqus_thread
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:27 pm
About relationships of what they talked about....
Because the Gazians are prelient, intelegent heavy worker hones and have the capability they had worked in various types of work reached to managers and still some GAZIANS have relations with jews and I do not say zionests here I am talking about NEUTRAL Jews not hatre ones.
THe relation will continue as good as it should be as far as peace and safety exists with love moreover some men got married from jewish women these are facts which shows how good the Falestinians are and wants to live happy with ease safety with thier neibours , it is a propoganda to be used to appear in good shape with a face with false cosmatics dear ... do not use it propoganda in your side OK... I understand it in the other way you are praising the Falestinians as they good trusty ones anbd are not killers .

About studying and summer camps also it shows how good the Falestinians telling the zionests that they are not hatres they love humans and want to chage bad to good war to peace and hat to love.
again do not use it as propoganda and donot use false cosmatics to appear in different shape.
About trade Falestinians are ready and willing to have bussiness with all countries and pay the costs .
Personally I have good good friendship with neutral jews both sexes adults and not hatres.
The extremists, leaders of zionest , those zionests UOLEEM HADDASHEEM who planted hat in Falestine before Falestinians, Jews and christians were as one family.
Take hat out of your heart withdraw from the recognized occupied territory international , plant love in your heart then will be one family , not just neibours.
At last it is known that the IDF do some thing as camps to the Falestinian children from WEST BANK for public propoganda world wide.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday November 26, 2012, 5:17 pm
Now :
Rose G : (Abo r I admire your courage - food stolen by the militias and sold illegally - I never believe that one - ).

I am courageous man and say the real truth whatever it is regardeless of any feeling or what will happen afterwards , it is the truth and justice :
First thank you for your trust.
I am so pleased that you never believed it and stand on a solid ROCK as your belif is correct .
It is the IDF and others propoganda to show that GAZA is a stealing area and a thieves public....
It is SHAM on them to chage the facts and publish lies and false things.
UNRWA and NGO s distribute food , blankets ... etc to the needy families and the police help .
THe Militry has its own sources to get food and things away from the donated ones. At HEALTH CENTERS GOVERNMENTAL AND NGOs we see the boxes of drugs writen on it the area of donation thats when we go seaking medical help.

SOME ONE HERE MIGHT SAY NO THATS NOT RIGHT WE SEE THE FOOD IN THE MARKET ... I will say yes you sea it and will continue sea it but why why it is in the market ??? search about the fact why not to spread lies and say they steal and sell.
NOW why it is in the market ??? I will ask everybody a question the family just need food , the children need just food to live and survive ?? of course no they need so many things clothes , blankets, shoes, books , pens, notbooks , school bags .... so on , do they need to eat only rice and bread , they do not need vegetables, meat etc. , Now what happened the family which had recieved the donated things sell some of it to get money to buy meat and clothes to the children as an example
IF I according the familly members number given 3 sacks of rice or wheat which is a little bit more than my needs and I am in need to buy pure water to drink what am I going to do ?? I will sell the extra to buy other needed things....
THIS IS NOT A SECRET AND IT IS NOT STEALING I SAY IT LOUDLY WITH BIG MOUTH let the FALESTINIANS factories work function workers will work will earn money then they are not in need to sell thier food to pay the electricity bill to the IDF ....
Let the farmers freely plant thier land then they will not go sell the food to buy shose to thier children and prevent them walk bare feet...
Let the fishermen fish freely then they will eat fish and sell to others , those will buy fish wants money fromwhere they will get it NO WORK AND BLOCKADE they will sell something to compansate...
One day and will not state names a friend told me a man came to the clinic with a terrible condition and weeping ( A man is weeping why ??? the Dr. wrote him an injection of sedation , the nurse asked the pt. to put a stamp it is about one dollar for the dr visit drug andinjection ... the man cryied loudly if I have a dollar i woul not be here ... The nurse put the stamp gave him the injection and after a while talked with the man what is the problem answered my son wants a half dollar ( 2 shaqel ) to buy a pen and notebook to do his homework and I do not have, and I do not know what happened to be and saw myself in the clinic ... this man will sell rice wheat even oil to give his son a SHEQEL..
To continue the story I knew thatthe nurse told the Dr. payed the stamp from thier boket and gave the child few Sheqels to buy what he needs.
The GAZIANS whom they are attacked by the IDF who occupies thier land prevents the essentials to pass to them through the boarders are suffering struggling to survive wants to live and thier children in peace and safety , they love thier children wants them to be like others in the world.
Dear each Falestinian family has hundreds of bad stories the history will never forgive the IDF LEADERS and Zionests and above the US and UK leaders for thier support.

Falestine is the only occupied country in the world in 2012 all got thier freedom.
Lets pray for peace and safety and the cease fire to continue and have a one state solution and live in love and demolish the word hate from the language dictionary .
 

Ros G. (90)
Monday November 26, 2012, 7:22 pm
Abo You earnt that trust through your honesty and sincerity - this is not stealing - if you are given goods be it food or anything else from a charity, etc and you have surplus to your needs - it makes sense to swap or trade for the things you do need - that has been happening for centuries - it's called the survival and free trade. The Berlin wall came down in 1989 as quickly as it went up in 1961 -overnight - all it took was a change in the Political climate - things do change. Germany reunfied in 1990 bringing loved ones together again along with Peace and Prosperity - this can happen here too. The cease fire must hold as you said.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Monday November 26, 2012, 7:37 pm
News from this summer about Gaza economy indicated surprisingly strong growth, even World Bank issued a report if you care to goggle. Gaza was recovering from Cast Lead, houses, schools, hospitals, even the football stadion was rebuild so they can play and watch. Now much of it is in rubble again.

Gaza was still importing majority of goods from Israel, which was not bad business for Israelis either. List of restricted goods was somewhat shorter, but one troubling thing remained - Israeli officials decided about sufficient amount of food for Gaza population and restricted it to cca. 1470 kCal per person daily, because, they said, Gazans can produce the rest - on land polluted from bombing, without fertilizers and seeds, and with heavily restricted water during summer. Israeli government loves to pose as a Good Boy here and brags about water they give to Gaza. They won't rush to tell you about summer reductions or winter floods when they open the gates without previous notice, to release the surplus.

About 1470 kCal per day: UN says that every person with less than 2300 kCal daily is malnourished. We had rather heated debate here about this starvation of Gaza, with citations from Israeli officials showing their cynicism and total lack of simple human urge to feed the hungry. UN officials in Gaza reported of malnourished and anemic children. Also, as Abo said, one can not live on starches only.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Monday November 26, 2012, 7:41 pm
Alexandra; Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:04 pm_
Is it to understand that Israel is to give Palestina to Canaanites?

Alexandra, Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:13 pm:
Gee, even before 1948 Israel held occupied more than allocated 52% of Mandate Palestina, which resulted with 700.000+ Palestinian refugees. This much for "...the hope that Israel could have peace in return."

In 1947. Mandate Palestina covered the territory of modern Israel, West Bank and Gaza Strip. Shall I repeat; Jordan gained independence in 1921, Lebanon gained independence in 1943, Egypt gained independence in 1922 and Syria gained independence in 1946. All BEFORE the proclamation of Jewish state of Israel. Thus, Israel could not gave what it never had.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Monday November 26, 2012, 7:47 pm
Stephen; Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:21 pm:
"Hamas' charter demands the destruction of Israel. "
--- do read my comment from Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:28 pm:
"Hamas Pushes For State Along ’67 Borders:

"Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal said last Wednesday that he would accept a Palestinian state along Israel’s pre-1967 borders, a position already taken by Fatah rival, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas."
------------ end of copied comment ----------

Just like everybody else, Palestinians too have the right to defend themselves and to resist occupation, therefore they have the right to refill the stocks of ammunition and arms. Self-defence is not an unprovoked aggression nor terrorism. Maybe Israel should talk more with it's neighbours to solve some differences and disperse it's fear of being attacked.
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday November 26, 2012, 7:56 pm
Just imagine how well off and healthy the inhabitants of Gaza would be if the terrorists that rule them stopped smuggling in tens of thousands of rockets and started bringing in food, medical supplies and all the other necessities of life some of you claim they don't have.
They don't need weapons. No one is threatening THEM. They are attacking Israel.

It's sad that so many Arabs find it difficult to live in peace with their neighbours in true democracies. I'm just
wondering when the Egyptian civil war will start.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Monday November 26, 2012, 8:22 pm
Some people will follow the herd no matter what, don't they? There is something comforting in the warm stench of the barn.
 

Ros G. (90)
Monday November 26, 2012, 9:00 pm
Well said Jelica and I wonder how well off we Australians would be Stan - if all our trade stopped with these Arab/Muslim countries. Remember the live export ban our Government imposed on the top end because of a report that came out of Indonesia - nearly crippled our farmers, didn't hurt Indonesia they just got cattle from another Democratic country and then there's that "black stuff" oil, Maybe the truth lies more in the fact that we need them more than they need us - now that would hurt some egos. By the way Queensland ME Australia - umm I wonder.
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:44 am
Ros G. I can't believe you support the live export trade of Australian cows and sheep to Muslim countries where they are subjected to the most appalling cruelty imaginable. And you a supporter of " environmental causes."

I can't wait for the day the world no longer has to rely on Arab oil and we can tell them to drink the stuff.

FYI The ME after Queensland was added by Care 2 and I can't change it. Look under 'hometown" on my profile. I've been here for 30 years so you no longer need to wonder and please give some thought to animal welfare.
 

Abo r. (101)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 1:46 am
Again weapons throughing rockets and attacking , stop that non sens speach say you must stealing land, olives , killing the palestinan children and wmen and destructing houses.....
The money spent in repairing what the IDF demolish and destruct ( infrastructure, houses , schools , health centers ) will feed the population .
Say leave the palestinians plant in thier fields and fish in the sea and function the factories ( allow for the raw materials ) then they will not need donations .
Do not attack the palestinians and withdraw from the occupied territories which recognized so by UN and all human rights organizations .....
You kill, steal Murder and say the Falestinian ...... Do not lie you are uncovered now and the worldwide knows the facts and the truth even your supporters who blindly supports you with dollers donation of weapons and so many things and Vito thats because they wan the votes in election and it is business. and personal interest.
Stop UOLEEM HADDASHEM (New immigrants ) go back .
 

Abo r. (101)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 1:50 am
Rose , by that the Falestinians are not stealing.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 2:26 am
Stan B Queensland is not a Hometown in Australia it's a State: In your case it must be a state of mind or mildlessness state 'I'm not quiet sure' I lived in the State of Queensland for over 20 years and yes they're different and are referred to affectionately as "banana benders" . As for "Live animal export - I'm against it full stop - doesn't matter who it goes to, I don't discriminate ". I'm no sucker, can't pull me in with those little furry, cute cats and dogs I live with the most venomous snakes and spiders everyday, better than your ilk. Have far more important matters to attend to. That's weird Buddist, Jewish, Agnostic, nobody's going to save you.
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 2:48 am
Ros G. Far better to be a banana bender than a cockroach. Sorry if I've confused you but it obviously doesn't take much.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:03 am
Abo,YOU ARE NOT STEALING. I'm here and the World is starting to see the truth through your eyes. Australia was granted a seat in the UN just recently. Australia has declared it will abstain in voting next week which is a huge step forward, it says that they are not Pro US or Israel but they are not anti Palistine either -there is light at the end of the tunnel. Hold onto your dreams The shelling must stop - innocent people can't keep on dying for a doctrine.. This is insane ..this is madness
 

Alexa R. (333)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:10 am
Jelica R, no matter how many times you deny the facts, facts are facts.

Just because the two state solution, that of Trans-Jordan Palestine for the Arabs (part of modern day Jordan) and the western part of Mandate Palestine (west of the Jordan River) was agreed between Britain, the Arabs and the Jews in 1920-1946, BEFORE Israel officially gained independent status, does not by ANY stretch of the imagination mean that Israel did not exchange land in the hope for peace. Israel could have demanded all of the land of Israel west and east of the Jordan, as that is what used to belong to Israel. But instead Israel AGREED around the negotiation table with the British and the Arabs, even BEFORE it got independence, that the two state solution of Trans-Jordan to the Arabs is acceptable. This is called the San Remo agreement and was agreed by all involved parties on 2nd Nov 1917. The split into two states of the Mandate happened in 1922-1923. But up until 1946, Jordan was called Trans-Jordan Mandate of Palestine.

Once Jordan got the extra land (trans-Jordan Mandate of Palestine), the Arabs living in this area were no longer happy with the agreement and started massacring Jewish villages. This then led to yet another two sate solution negotiated in 1947 when the British decided to terminate their stewardship and hand it over to the UN. The UN 1947 proposed partition plan for the western part of the Mandate of Palestine (the ONLY part of the Mandate of Palestine that UN had control over, the UN never had control over Trans-Jordan part of the Mandate of Palestine, that does not mean it never existed!), UN resolution 181 once more was accepted by Israel to divide the western part of Mandate Palestine into Israel and West Bank/Gaza, but rejected by the Arabs. If the Arabs (now called Palestinians) accepted like Israel in 1947 the new UN two-state solution they would, like Israel have been a sovereign country today.

In 1977-1979, Israel agreed to exchange for peace with Egypt all of the Sinai Peninsula.

Israel has had similar exchanges for peace with regards the Golan Heights and Syria/Lebanon.

In 1993 the Oslo agreements were signed between PLO and Israel, but not honoured by the PLO (Palestinians).

In 1995 Israel agreed boundaries with Jordan (yes, LONG after both Israel and Jordan became independent -- independence does not necessarily mean boundaries have been fixed)

In 1997/1998 the offer of 95% of the West Bank (Samaria and Judea) was once more rejected by the Arabs.

In 2005 Israel evacuated EVERY signle Jewish family, even those who have been living in Samaria and Judea (West Bank Block A called nowadays) and Gaza for over 3500 years. West Bank Block A and Gaza is 100% Judenfrei!

 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:27 am
Stan B I don't get confused that easily I have lived in every State on the Eastern seaboard, so I'm not that narrow minded. Now that I have attended to more important matters I can devote a little more time to you. Yes, dependance on Arab oil, being Australian you must fully realise that we produce our own oil - it's a very high grade oil..we trade it on the International market for the going price (Singapore Trading) in turn we buy a lower grade for our own use. Nothing to do with the Arabs - just the level playing field in the Global Economy.
Now is that a picture of your own pet or is it your ultro-ego to draw people in.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 4:00 am
Alexandra thank youfor coming back - You are a good soul and a mother. Is this true - has the shelling began again. I hope not.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 4:29 am
Sorry Alexandra my satelite connection keeps breaking up.. so fustrating everything gets so distraughted never got a chance to ask you where were you before moving to Israel and the history of your family home.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 9:53 am
A report by Save The Chilren on the effect of living in Gaza under Israeli blockade

http://www.care2.com/news/go/3491593


 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:45 am
 
There may be some problem with my Adobe Reader, because I had trouble opening the PDF file.
 
In the meantime, however, I did find this article, which synopsizes the Save the Children report:
 
Gaza’s Children: Falling Behind – The Effect of the Blockade on Child Health in Gaza
 
Excerpt from the article:
 
"With 1.7 million people – including more than 800,000 children – crammed into just 365 square kilometers – an area roughly equivalent to the size of the Isle of Wight – Save the Children is concerned about the increasing threat of disease.
 
“Innocent children are living in inhumane conditions after five years under a blockade. They are now forced to drink dirty and dangerous water that will make them weak and sick. Diarrhoea which is easily treated here in the UK can be a killer in these conditions.” said Justin Forsyth, Chief Executive of Save the Children.
 
Since the blockade started, the number of children under three being treated for watery diarrhoea has doubled. High levels of nitrate – found in faeces and fertiliser – is also linked to some cancers and is a massive risk to pregnant women.
 
Gaza’s sewage system is also completely broken, much of it destroyed during Operation Cast Lead and treatment plants are overloaded or lack fuel. Open cesspits sit right next to family homes and in just the first two months of this year, three children drowned in open sewers.
 
Justin Forsyth continued: “Gaza children are living in prison-like conditions, trapped and unable to dream of a better future. We must end the blockade and ramp up immediate projects to provide clean, safe drinking water and sanitation.”
 
[See article for the remainder]
 
Thanks for the information, Christine.
 
 
 

Abo r. (101)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:44 pm
Rose G, Do not understand me wrong when i posted my last post ( Rose , by that the Falestinians are not stealing ).
I meant by my and your discussion we proved practically that there is no stealing in Gaza to the donated things .... sorry if i caused some disturbances.
Falestinians understand the Insani humanitarian feeling , thoughts and position of Australia and the Australian people towards the Falestinians and I can read that through your posts which i honorly proud of you and your country in defending for the insani situation in Falestine.
Will demand for the state and The Voting will be inspite of all the preasure on the president Abbass not to go to UN but he is going having a full support from all the Falestinian parties and I say support from all parties and here in GAZA all parties are together standing behind THe President Abbass backing him and protesting all over the GAZIAN towns, villeges and camps united giving full support as one body.

It is shame on UK who should regret and feel guilty of Belfour promis to the Zionest , it is time now for UK to correct its mistake but although its position is negative UK proves that the IDF Leaders are War Criminals by its statment UK will VOTE FOR THE FALESTINE STATE BUT UNDER CONDITION ( Not to Judge the IDF Leaders as WAR CRIMINALS ) .... this is clear and prove from UK that the IDF are CRIMINALS.
Falestine will be a state and the WAR CRIMINALS WILL BE JUDGED and punished by Law if not today it will be tomorrow..
Thanks in advance To Australia and all countries all over the world for thier vote and supporting the right and the Insani situation of the Falestinians.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:55 pm
Ros, my immediate family is from Belguim and Wales respectively (father and mother). Before that my Belguim side of the family from Poland, and before that from Israel. I was not born in Israel, but I'm Israeli through marriage, my mom-in-law's family has been living in Israel for over 3500 years, my dad-in-law was born in USA, but his family is originally from Israel too.

Is this a problem for you? May Jews and Arabs not live in USA or EU? Or once they moved there, they may NEVER return nor marry someone from their original country?
 

Alexa R. (333)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:57 pm
Oops, it should read Belgium ..
 

Abo r. (101)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 1:00 pm
Ever one in GAZA and west Bank aged , children, youth, men , women from all parties including both HAMAS and FATEH , other parties and Neutral ones are protesting thursday backing THE PRESIDENT ABASS while giving his word at UN and expecting the Falestinians will protest all over the world countries.
The state will born and established regardless of all the preasure from US and IDF and the condition of UK which is not accepted by all Falestinians, regardless of the punishment which US and IDF are threatening with.
Waitting praying and sure with ALLAH the creature support it will be, with ALLAH ( GOD) WE TRUST.... we depend also on the INSANI HUMANITARIAN JUSTICE OF THE VARIOUS COUNTRIES WHO WILL VOTE YES FOR FALESTINE.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 4:50 pm

As a young girl, I remember when our history class touched upon the Holocaust. Although it briefly described some of the atrocities, I felt there was much left out.

I had too many questions: "WHY didn't any of the townspeople notice that all the Jews were missing?" "WHY didn't America (or the rest of the world) DO anything about it?"

It haunted me so, that I spent several years thereafter reading historical documentation and watching films about it (to the point that many felt I was obsessive).

Yes, I was . . . and I still am, and wish others would be, whenever they witness such cruel injustice.

Since then, more and more, real truth is evolving. Many people DID know. (There are accounts of people living near crematoriums who washed their windows daily because of the ash residue. People who betrayed once-trusted neighbors, for fear of Nazi reprisal if they didn't.) And others, who just decided it wasn't their problem; they had enough of their own -- and turned a blind eye.

So, the utterly deplorable, and unforgivable, abominations continued. Millions of lives were tortured; good souls and brilliant minds were disregarded and killed. Children were torn from their mothers, and millions of household memories, collected heirlooms (even gold teeth and wedding rings) were confiscated, without remorse or regard for their personal value to the original owners.

If we are aware of injustice to ANY selected group and do nothing, or make weak excuses to justify it, we are no better.

We live in an age where we have more than the mainstream media to rely upon to broadcast reality. The internet has broadened our choices of information.

As such, one would think that controlled dissemination of knowledge would be less likely.

Unfortunately, although alternative (and non-governmentally controlled propaganda) IS available, there are still those who CHOOSE to only read the opinions of those who agree with their own pre-conceived, and self-satisfying notions.

Sad, that we haven't really advanced much. Even sadder that those, who have personal history, and massive outrage, of immense suffering at the hands of cruel dictators, cannot see the similarities.

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 5:38 pm
 
Just sharing here:
 
When I moved to California (mid-70's), I worked, as a legal assistant, at Shapell Industries.  The owners were Nathan Shapell, his brother (David) and partner (Max Webb).
 
On the day I was hired, I was given a book, autographed and written by Nathan Shapell, about his experiences surviving in a concentration camp with his friend, Max.  (Witness to the Truth). 
 
[Interesting note:  At that time, Nathan had actually bought ALL of the books after they were printed -- and signed and gave them to new employees -- because he was dissatisfied at the editing job of the publishers.] (Not sure what happened after that, since my link goes to Amazon.com.)
 
 
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 7:45 pm
Hi Jelica,

The statement of a leader does not override the content of a charter. That is the primary point of a charter, to establish a set of policies which cannot be changed at a whim. If Hamas had really decided to accept Israel along 1967 borders, it would have changed its charter.

Hi Ros and Abo,

One case I can think of, when food was very publicly stolen by Palestinian militias, occurred during Cast Lead. U.N. workers were killed when the food was stolen. When named people on the U.N. payroll, whose lives and deaths can be verified, die, it's usually not a lie told by some government. The relevant reports came from the U.N., not Israel nor the IDF.

Also, Ros, Israel does not actually have a duty to care for the Palestinian people under any ordinary duty to protect. They are not Israeli citizens, so Israel has, outside of any treaties, no more obligations to them do the governments of Cameroon and Zimbabwe.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 9:04 pm
A touching story Just Carole but it's like I said on another thread Hilter hated the disabled he came for them and the disappeared, then the homosexuals, the Jehovah Witness. It's like my mother said "it was like he would sit down at the dinner table at night and in a drunken stupor - tell his officers who would be next - the Jews were just another group, after that it was anyone that didn't salute, looked the wrong way or opposed him were just shoot where they stood - no one was safe. In my mother's house there was only her, her Mother and her Grandmother (all Polish Roman Catholics) - their house would be searched by the Gestarpo (SS) up to 20 times a week at any time of the day or night - that involved armed officers and their dogs locking them up while they tore the place apart. My Great Grandmother died a happy death not long afterwards - saying we helped who we could they were "poor buggars" just like us - then she said "Praise the Resistance - they are the true victors here" A few years later they found a ham radio set sealed in a wall.
Both my parents did not oppose the formation of Israel. I was born in Germany but migrated to Australia when I was 2 - my first day at school - no English - I ran home and had to my mother what Nazi was because that what we were branded - by ignorant people who have no idea. There were Jewish boys in the SS as well, they were not judge because it was what people did to survive. By way that ham radio and papers were donated to a University in Germany.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 12:34 am
This is what Hamas put up on the screen during a music video last week on its al Aqsa TV station:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jGsrQI5dw&feature=player_embedded

'Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah'.



Lyrics of songs on this video included these little ditties:



'[Oh] lovers of the trigger: Killing the occupiers [Israelis] is worship that Allah made into law...'



'Brigades - we kidnap soldiers, Brigades - we kill Jews'



and



'Repeat in the name of your Jihad: Death to Israel!'

 

Stan B. (124)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 1:23 am
What Hamas really stands for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH-IINhvQvI&feature=em-subs_digest
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 8:38 am
Jewish people have claimed the holocaust as their own. The physically and mentally challenged people were targeted first in WWII. The Roms were ethnically cleansed and are also ignored, by the keepers of the holocaust flame, along with communists, homosexuals, Africans, intelligentsia, Catholic dissenters, Russians, Russian POW's and whoever else I've forgotten are barely acknowledged by keepers of Jewish history regarding WWII holocaust.

These gentile groups may get a passing notice, a grudging validation that Jews were not the only victims, but in the memoirs, studies, holocaust memorials and museums & movies you'd be hard pressed to find any victims that aren't Jewish.

Now we have the story of the Nakba, and how the 'victims' turned victimizer. We have Jewish holocaust survivors being awarded new monetary reparations last week, while these same survivors bear responsibility for this present horrendous occupation, blockade and daily murder by barbaric throwbacks.

The Pamela Gellars of the world call it a clash of civilizations --- the savages who believe in killing all gentiles, especially young children and the civilized Palestinians who don't deliberately make a game of shooting Israeli children in the head.
The cruel savagery of the Nakba forever puts to rest the meme of "innocent, blameless victim", hated for no reason. The strategies & tactics don't change much -- I wonder what percent of USAns even know that 20% of Palestinians are Christian and before the Nakba they lived in peace with Jewish Palestinians.

In my experience when people dislike you intensely there is a reason. and when you hear the other side of the story it starts to make a bit more sense.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:56 am
Kate B, so you're trying to convince me that their is a 'reason' why the KKK hates African-Americans and a 'reason' why Hitler hated the Jews? Are you serious?!?

Go ask any rapist and he too would give you a 'reason' for his hateful act. That does not mean the 'reason' is valid..surely!?!

Your logic for hatred evades me I'm afraid.


 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 10:58 am
Hi Kate,

Your basic premise in your latest comment is false. Jews have not claimed the Holocaust as their own. Jews are just the highest-profile group which commemorate their losses in it regularly. The Roma are often ignored in Jewish commemorations, and Jews do not expect to take centre-stage at Roma commemorations of their losses. The same goes for Russians, Africans, and others.

The defeat of Palestinians in 1948 was brutal, but not exceptionally cruel. Welcome to what it means to lose a war. The "occupation" (though the legal term does not apply as the situation is more of a "mandate"), likewise, is certainly far from pleasant, but as long-term military rules go, it is the kindest one in modern history.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:05 pm
Alexandra; Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:10 am

I am not denying the fact, I quoted the official documents signed by Israel.

I could not find anything for "the San Remo agreement and was agreed by all involved parties on 2nd Nov 1917." What I found was "San Remo conference was an international meeting of the post-World War I Allied Supreme Council, held in Sanremo, Italy, from 19 to 26 April 1920. It was attended by the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I who were represented by the prime ministers of Britain (David Lloyd George), France (Alexandre Millerand) and Italy (Francesco Nitti) and by Japan's Ambassador K. Matsui.

It determined the allocation of Class "A" League of Nations mandates for administration of the former Ottoman-ruled lands of the Middle East."

*** Winning Allies from the WW1 divide other people's land among themselves ***

Alexandra: "UN resolution 181 once more was accepted by Israel to divide the western part of Mandate Palestine into Israel and West Bank/Gaza, but rejected by the Arabs. If the Arabs (now called Palestinians) accepted like Israel in 1947 the new UN two-state solution they would, like Israel have been a sovereign country today."

If some body wants to give me the right to settle in your home, will you agree?

Again - leaving occupied territory is not a gift. It is an obligation, after treaties were negotiated.

IMO, this whole mess was created by GB when they promised land both to Arabs and Jews to assure their support in fighting the Ottoman Empire. Latter documents, and actions were poor effort to hide the GB lies and fulfil the opposite proposals they have made.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:08 pm
Stephen: Tuesday November 27, 2012, 7:45 pm:
"The statement of a leader does not override the content of a charter."

** but it indicates the change of politics. And charters. What is Hamas waiting for? It might be a right moment, a move from the Israeli government... anything that will help them justify that charter change before their electorate.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:15 pm
Correction: ... change TO their electorate.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 12:35 am
Jelica R. (152)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:05 pm

I could not find anything for "the San Remo agreement and was agreed by all involved parties on 2nd Nov 1917."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Balfour Declaration was signed on 2nd Nov 1917 and was recognised and incorporated as international law by the San Remo Conference held from 19-26 April 1920.

It states: "we view in favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use our best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing Jewish and non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Jelica R. (152)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:05 pm
“IMO, this whole mess was created by GB when they promised land both to Arabs and Jews to assure their support in fighting the Ottoman Empire.”

You're quite right to say the British made a right hash of things back then, but you expecting Israelis to pay for it now, is disgusting!!
 

Alexa R. (333)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 12:44 am
Jelica R. (152)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 9:05 pm

If some body wants to give me the right to settle in your home, will you agree?

Israelis have NEVER expected ANY person to give up their homes?!?! Where on EARTH do you get such utter lies from?!?! The ONLY ones in the land of Israel that are expected to give up their family homes ARE the Israelis!!!!! Samaria and Judea (West Bank Block A) and Gaza Strip is 100% Judenfrei!!!!!! Every single Jewish family had to leave their homes behind EVEN THOUGH they have been living there for over 3500 years as that’s what the PLO/PA/Hamas DEMANDED ..!!! Get your facts straight and stop your Israeli hatred and bias!!!!

Here are the facts in the words of a Palestinian family who have not left Israel:

Growing up Palestinian in the Israeli "Occupation"

By Sarah Elshazly

Ever since I was a child, I've heard different accounts from different sources on what happened to the Palestinians and Palestine. I heard the Jewish side and the Arab side. The side that no one seems to want to hear, is of those who lived and live there. The Israeli Arabs. Rare as we are in terms of a world wide nation, we exist. Despite the fact that some Jews may want us out of Israel and some Arabs believe that we are extension of the Zionists, we exist. We keep our culture and tradition. Mahshy, or stuffed grape leaves, remain our favorite meal and not lox and cream cheese(Which is actually the food of Eastern European Jews and not Israeli Jews). We love Arabic music and sing old folk songs which include "wein aa Ramallah" a name of a famous Palestinian city, as well as songs from all over the Arab world. We are however different. We have vested interest in both sides and are angry at both sides.

Israeli Arabs have lived side by side with Jews for as long as this generation can remember. We have lived as Israeli citizens since 1948. Before that, the region wasn't quite as divided. Families lived in different cities in the area which includes the West Bank, Gaza, Amman and other Arab cities in areas where borders were created later. All of the sudden, Palestinians became strangers to their own families. We were divided by boundaries set by the Europeans and those within the boundaries of Israel became "Israeli Arabs". The Israeli Arabs have become the unwanted, unloved, illegitimate, biracial step-child of the Middle East conflict. No one wants to associate themselves with us and no one wants us to identify ourselves as one of them. We have to apologize for our existence.

What angers me the most about this is the stories that I heard as child from those ones who stayed behind. Palestinians who fled their homes and lost their families and children and most of all their dignity are angry, bitter and distraught. No one can blame them. They seem to have been taught who they are supposed to hate, who is the guilty party and who should be punished for their problems. Peoples' memories are so short . It is easier to have a focused on one enemy- especially an enemy who does not belong to the same "tribe", than to analyze a situation such as the Palestinian refugees disaster.

The question is, why did Arabs living in what became Israel flee? The ones who remained in their homes actually live and prosper. So why didn't they stay. There is the one focused obvious enemy, Israel. But is that the truth? It is not my place or my purpose to discuss who belongs in that tiny region called Israel, but it is my intent and reason for risking shunning by my own community to set the record straight. The Arab world warned the Palestinians of staying with the Jews. They also warned them that they were going in to fight the Zionists and that the Palestinians should leave in order for them not to get hurt. Many Palestinians trusted these Arab leaders and left. Bad blood had existed between some groups of Arabs and Jews- enough to flame the Propaganda machines. Those who lived with Jews for a long time, were not as easily convinced and stayed home. My family members have always told us that there were cars going around telling people to stay put. The cars contained Jews. They told everyone that they will not harm them. Thus we have the situation where Jews are begging Arabs to stay and live with them and other Arabs from outside the country were telling them to flee for their lives.

Palestinians have gotten the short end of the stick in the Arab society. They are kept in poverty and turmoil because it suits the leadership of the Arab world to keep them in this position. What better way to do it than to take away every last means of dignity and power, shift the attention of the average Arab towards the perfect target- Jews.

You don't believe me? Then ask yourself why Jordan, Egypt or Syria didn't they give the Palestinians a country when they were the ones who had our land? Why didn't they give Jerusalem to the Palestinians and why do they expect more of Israel? If I hear one more time a non Palestinian, especially American Muslims ,repeat the phrase "Over 50 years of the Zionist occupation" I'm going to burst. Can no one actually read history? I don't mean ancient history, I'm talking about 1948-1967. Who had that land? Even with the assumption that they wanted the Palestinians to have "all" their land, there is no excuse for not giving them an independent state. And we blame Israel?

I remember as a child watching a Syrian play with a very famous Syrian comedian. The play was about the 1973 war which took place in October. The comedian played a young man who fought in the war and was taken hostage. After his release he was detained by his government. At one point, the guards slapped him and he started crying. A fellow inmate who was also a fellow hostage asked him with puzzlement "Why are you crying? I've seen the enemies do much more to you and you just laughed it off? This was only a slap." He replied "The enemy is an enemy and I expected that of them, a slap is only a slap. From a brother however, it's a slap in the heart."

Let's take this another step. The Arab world is full of Palestinians. Yes, the same Arab world that pretends to care and wants to fan the fire of the poor Palestinians and get so exited when they are killed. Yes, the same Arab world that sits by the TV to watch a young Palestinian get killed by Israel in order to justify their hate of the Jews right before they go to their cozy beds. The same Arab world that has taught the Palestinians to fight. That same Arab world will not give a Palestinian citizenship. Now the argument that it is because they will go home to their rightful land doesn't sit well with me. Even if that is so, to me it indicates an admission that they do not have a land. What are they to do in the mean time? Why can't they give them equal rights? Why can't they go to schools for free? Why can't they get the same jobs and pay as the person who was born and grew up the their same area? Where is that love, for that matter, where is that hate for Israel that they use the Palestinian issue to justify?

Let's go to the refugees! First the Arab Governments starts with the scare tactics, then they take what ever they could from the United States and Israel and then they stick them in camps with deplorable living conditions. WHY? Why didn't they leave them alone in their homes? Why did they promise them refuge and reward them with what are essentially prison camps? And most of all, why didn't they provide them with homes in the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan heights when they had control over them? Please do not say "Money". The Palestinian refugees receive aid from all over the world and yet, they don't seem to have a better living conditions. The "hosting" Governments siphons off some money into its' pockets and the Palestinian authority, or lack of it, siphons off the rest and as a result the poor deserving people get nothing.

I am not writing this to say merely to say that the Arab world had not done enough or done nothing nor am I suggesting that they do anything now. I am merely pointing out the truth and basically, as a Palestinian, I would like to ask the entire world to stop exploiting our issue. If you want a do a good deed find your own. To the singers who are romanticizing the Palestinian suffering, it is not romantic. There is nothing dreamy about it. There is no heroism in a small child throwing rocks at a tank. Either warn the child to stay away or Please shut up! How dare you do this to our children? Our suffering gives you good video materials and a good rating? Not to mention fame and the good old all mighty Dollar?

To the average citizen in the Arab world, stop crying crocodile tears for us. We don't need you to talk about the "poor Palestinians" or to protest. We thank you for your kind feelings, but please, leave us alone. We do not want to be the object of your pity. To the Arab and Islamic Governments, fix your own problems. Do not use our misery to blind your subjects to what is really wrong with your countries. What are you afraid of? If the people wise up and stop hating Israel they're going to turn on you? Maybe, I mean, when you condone so much hate you will pay the price. You've created monsters and you won't be able to handle them. Worry about creating jobs for your own poor people and educating the children and leave us alone. In short to all those who are driving our children to die, please, stay away from us.

 

Ros G. (90)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 1:02 am
It was negotiated in 1947 to be exact and I remember movies by Mel Brookes - very funny
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 3:55 pm
Hi Jelica,

The electorate, in the case of a party-charter, is the militia's rank-and-file. If they have not changed their position regarding the destruction of the state of Israel, then Hamas as a party has not done so. If they had changed their minds, then there would have been no need to justify the change to them. On the contrary, there would have been a need to justify failure to change the charter to them.

There may be elements of the leadership which want the charter to change, but in the end it is the masses of the militia, the ones who possess the weapons and fire them, whose collective position matters. The civil authorities under the party follow their lead, but they need not necessarily follow the lead of the political leaders. If those leaders take a position that the militants reject, they will either simply fail to follow orders, join another party, or splinter. This has happened many times before, including certain breaches of ceasefires and defection to Hamas from other parties during the Second Intifada.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 4:51 pm
Alexandra, you're right. "Israelis have NEVER expected ANY person to give up their homes". Instead, they made sure that Palestinians will be expelled from their homes and land. I can understand that you, being a newbie Israeli, want to believe ONE Palestinian story, and forget other 5.000.000 Palestinians who are still in exile.

The number of Palestine refugees varies depending on the source. For 1948-49 refugees, for example, the Israeli government suggests a number as low as 520,000 as opposed to 850,000 by their Palestinian Arab counterparts. As of January 2010, UNRWA cites 1,396,368 registered refugees in camps and 3,370,302 registered refugees not in camps.

The number of UNRWA registered Palestine refugees by country or territory in January 2010 were as follows:
Gaza Strip...... 1,106,195
West Bank........ 778,993
Lebanon............425,640
Syria ..............472,109
Jordan ..........1,983,733
________________________________________________

Even before the outbreak of hostilities leading to the creation of the State of Israel, the Zionist authorities planned to ethnically cleanse as much of Palestine as possible of non-Jews. As it turns out, the ethnic cleansing never stopped.

Israeli army veterans admit role in massacres of Palestinians in 1948
 

Abo r. (101)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 5:09 pm
The 194 country took its birth certificate today , Congratulation to Falestine and Falestinians.

US failled for the second time :
1- Failled to let the IDF stop building settlement and did not listen .
2- Failled to let the FALESTINIANS not to go to UN to have thier stat and went .
Congratulation
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 5:28 pm
Congrats \o/

I was just looking at a site showing you people celebrating.
Well deserved :)

~ Peace on Earth ~
 

Jelica R. (157)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 6:13 pm
Stephen, our comments overlapped. As I said, change in charter is a political decision. As much as leaders need to value the opinions of organisation's members, the leaders also set the tone of an organization, if they are leaders and not puppets. It is a sensitive question of timing and balance.
 

Ros G. (90)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 7:46 pm
Abo, it's all about Truth & Justice as you said. And we have just witnessed that play out on the world stage. An overwhelming number of countries just voted for that - Congratulations. Peace and Goodwill towards all of Mankind
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 10:36 pm
 
U.N. General Assembly votes to recognize the state of Palestine --The United States immediately criticized the historic vote. 29 Nov 2012 The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a long-sought victory for the Palestinians but an embarrassing diplomatic defeat for the United States.The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a more than two-thirds majority of the 193-member world body -- a vote of 138-9, with 41 abstentions. A Palestinian flag was quickly unfurled on the floor of the General Assembly, behind the Palestinian delegation.
 
(Although I am an American -- and love my country -- I have enough integrity to admit that many actions of my government do not represent me.)
 
As human beings first, we are defined by our individual characters . . . NOT imaginary borderlines.
 
 
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 10:51 pm
Hi Jelica,

The leadership only technically makes the decisions. It has only short-term power and limited long-term power. If it decides to commit to something which a large number of members oppose, those members will leave the party. Their hands are tied as the members' loyalty is to the cause, not the leaders themselves. More than that, if the bulk of the party does not want the change, then there is no reason to believe that the next generation of leaders would seek any sort of coexistence with Israel. Any pledges the current leaders make, then, without a change in the charter, cannot be considered permanent commitments on behalf of the party. They are not even very long-term as a new generation of leaders can arise very quickly in the Palestinian political culture, especially when the current generation is physically threatened by other Palestinian groups and is often in violent conflict with Israel.

Hi Abo,

I hope Palestinians enjoy the celebration. I expect things to get a whole lot worse there soon. The problem is that with any sort of recognition of statehood, even as a legal fiction, companies can try to sell the militias weapons on the open market. This vote opens the door to the sale of advanced modern military materiel.

I didn't expect Israel to let up on the blockade of Gaza any time soon, but this could easily have added another decade or two. As for the West Bank, with the danger of modern military weapons entering through Jordan, Israel's tolerance for hostility on that front just dropped dramatically. Rounds of violence which could otherwise have been avoided escalation will now escalate because the militias just got a whole lot more threatening, at least on paper. They just didn't get anywhere near threatening enough to deter Israeli strikes. I expect a lot of Palestinians to die as a result of the U.N. vote, so I hope they can at least enjoy their time before the trouble hits.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 12:34 am
Sadly true Stephen, I quote Susan Michael:

Today’s move by the Palestinians is once again a rejection of peace and accommodation with Israel, much the same as in 1947. It marks a continuing refusal to come to terms with the right of the Jewish people to a state in their ancient homeland.

More specifically, the Palestinians are seeking a way to statehood which does not require them to also recognize Israel as a Jewish state or to conclude an agreement with Israel which ends the conflict and all its related disputes.

This enhanced status as a non-member state will now allow the Palestinian leadership to broaden their strategic campaign of challenging Israel’s legitimacy throughout the myriad of UN forums, including the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

By passing this decision today, the majority of nations in the UN General Assembly are rewarding the Palestinians for their obstinate refusal to engage in direct bilateral negotiations with Israel, and thereby setting back the search for peace.

They are also undermining respect for international law and signed agreements between the parties, such as UNSC resolution 242 and the Oslo accords. Russia was a signatory to the Oslo agreements, while the European Union has served as a broker of subsequent agreements and disputes between the parties, but their solemn obligations have been ignored and even discarded in the decision made today.

This makes it all that much harder for Israel to trust the international community when it comes to third-party guarantees concerning the safety and future of the Jewish state.

That being said, we congratulate the US administration for taking a stand as Israel's friend and ally by refusing to support the Palestinians' deceptive moves at the United Nations.

And we agree with the statement made by PM Benjamin Netanyahu today in the lead up to the UN vote:

"No decision by the UN can break the 4,000 year old [uninterrupted] bond between the people of Israel and the land of Israel"

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We Israelis will fight until our last breath against this latest attempt at making the land of Israel Judenfrei ..!


 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:00 am

More words (from others, because you are incapable of speaking from your own heart, and feel that others' words -- that signify your own -- are more expressive.)

If Israel's right to freedom is honorable enough to protect, then so are the rights of OTHERS.

Killing so-called "enemies" should be the last choice among civilized people.

NO ONE, who pretends to embrace humanity, should sanctify MURDER!

So . . . "fight until your last breath."

But, what will that prove? (When, in the end, innocent lives paid for the rhetoric.)

Open your eyes.

This is NOT about right vs. wrong.

Quit being a quisling. Face it. You are being manipulated into being less than what you think is earnestly believe is honorable.

Stand alone, and respect human values.



 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:13 am

It disgusts me that the "war machine" (a very profitable business) is STILL manipulating the minds of otherwise intelligent people.

So many are convinced that MURDER is the answer to dissenting opinions.

Taking a life to suppress opposing opinion is like to knuckle-dragging neanderthals.

Rise above it.

DEMAND that your "government" be of a more elevated level. REFUSE to espouse genocidal "government-speak."

It's too easy to "justify" (as if brainwashed) killing.

Ask yourself: "Is there no other way?" (and demand that your "leaders" seek murder as a last resort, and PROVE it.)

 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:22 am
Just Carole (558)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:00 am

Stand alone, and respect human values.

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We do stand nearly alone .. 9 out of 147 countries did you say? With 41 countries on the fence?

We most certainly do respect life and human values .. it is central to our lives and faith.

Our eyes are wide open and with open eyes we will fight until our last breath to prevent the land of Israel being made Judenfrei ..


 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:34 am

If you disrespect the rights of a self-governing country to be recognized, WHERE are your values?

Shameful.

(Worse? That was the entire premise of Israel. But you would DENY others the same?)



 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:38 am
And, while you decry others not responding to your circular questions, NO ONE responds to articulate questions posed to you:

Example:

Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:45 am

There may be some problem with my Adobe Reader, because I had trouble opening the PDF file.

In the meantime, however, I did find this article, which synopsizes the Save the Children report:

Gaza’s Children: Falling Behind – The Effect of the Blockade on Child Health in Gaza

Excerpt from the article:

"With 1.7 million people – including more than 800,000 children – crammed into just 365 square kilometers – an area roughly equivalent to the size of the Isle of Wight – Save the Children is concerned about the increasing threat of disease.

“Innocent children are living in inhumane conditions after five years under a blockade. They are now forced to drink dirty and dangerous water that will make them weak and sick. Diarrhoea which is easily treated here in the UK can be a killer in these conditions.” said Justin Forsyth, Chief Executive of Save the Children.

Since the blockade started, the number of children under three being treated for watery diarrhoea has doubled. High levels of nitrate – found in faeces and fertiliser – is also linked to some cancers and is a massive risk to pregnant women.

Gaza’s sewage system is also completely broken, much of it destroyed during Operation Cast Lead and treatment plants are overloaded or lack fuel. Open cesspits sit right next to family homes and in just the first two months of this year, three children drowned in open sewers.

Justin Forsyth continued: “Gaza children are living in prison-like conditions, trapped and unable to dream of a better future. We must end the blockade and ramp up immediate projects to provide clean, safe drinking water and sanitation.”

[See article for the remainder]

 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:45 am
Just Carole (558)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:13 am

Ask yourself: "Is there no other way?" (and demand that your "leaders" seek murder as a last resort, and PROVE it.)

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Irael has more than proved that they do all they can time and time again to negotiate a peace-deal. It is not Israel avoiding the negotiation table:

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More specifically, the Palestinians are seeking a way to statehood which does not require them to also recognize Israel as a Jewish state or to conclude an agreement with Israel which ends the conflict and all its related disputes.

This enhanced status as a non-member state will now allow the Palestinian leadership to broaden their strategic campaign of challenging Israel’s legitimacy throughout the myriad of UN forums, including the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

By passing this decision today, the majority of nations in the UN General Assembly are rewarding the Palestinians for their obstinate refusal to engage in direct bilateral negotiations with Israel, and thereby setting back the search for peace.

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When PLO/PA/Hamas refuse to join Israel time and time again at the negotiation table and with open eyes we will fight until our last breath to prevent the land of Israel being made Judenfrei ..

 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:57 am
Just Carole (558)
Friday November 30, 2012, 1:38 am

Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:45 am

There may be some problem with my Adobe Reader, because I had trouble opening the PDF file.

In the meantime, however, I did find this article, which synopsizes the Save the Children report:

Gaza’s Children: Falling Behind – The Effect of the Blockade on Child Health in Gaza

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Now that PLO/PA/Hamas got what the wanted from the UN, why don't they spend at least some of their international aid (highest paid aid per head to any other people group on this planet) in making Gaza a better place for their children?

We Israelis would certainly prefer it if they do spend their international aid on their children in stead of raining rockets on our children!

Then we have the added costs of having to defend and protect our children with counter strikes .. we Israelis much prefer the negotiation table .. you cannot fault our optimism for trying .. time and time again at the negotiation table ..

 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 2:01 am
Oops, it should read: got what THEY wanted
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 2:04 am

Israel is prepared to live in peace with a Palestinian state. However, for peace to endure Israel's security must be taken into consideration, the Palestinians must recognize the Jewish state and they must be prepared to end the conflict.

Israel proved its willingness to make peace when it signed agreements with Egypt and Jordan. Yet for four years the Palestinians have refused repeated Israeli calls for direct dialogue.

The General Assembly's decision was symbolic in nature and devoid of any substantive meaning. It will not change facts on the ground.

The General Assembly does not have the power to confer statehood, and therefore the resolution does not, and cannot, establish a Palestinian state or even grant it recognition.

The Palestinians do not meet any of the accepted legal tests of statehood, including the test of effective government. The Palestinian Authority has no control over the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, which contains 40% of the Palestinian population.

The path to peace lies between Jerusalem and Ramallah, and does not pass through New York. Turning to the UN distanced the chances for peace. The only way to achieve it is though direct agreements between the parties.

Unilateral actions violate the foundation of the peace process - direct bilateral negotiations. It also is a material breach of Israel-Palestinian accords, including the 1995 Interim Agreement. This resolution has undermined Israel's trust in Palestinian willingness to abide its agreements.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 2:14 am


Just a nudge . . .

It might be a clue to forming opinions to actually CONSIDER (and actually absorb) the information offered by dissenting thinking.)

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Friday November 30, 2012, 3:40 am

Well said Carole.

Very interesting what former US President, Jimmy Carter, has to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2IQiYI1Emw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 4:08 am

Thank you, Sandrea.

After all, debate is supposed to be about responding to opposing argument.

Unfortunately, we see little actual thought (and compassion) on this issue . . . and instead, hear only justification for presumptive likewise responding (and vilifying) of others' behavior (and nauseating and rudely long reposting of the opinions of other like minds, but yet to be validated views). Just because an opinion is published and cited, doesn't assume its truth.

If it's wrong for one, then WHY is it not wrong for all????????????

As much as I love my own country, I will NEVER condone their participation in acts of violence against innocent civilians.

Dehumanizing the victims is unacceptable.

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Friday November 30, 2012, 4:35 am
Nauseating indeed, but a good glimpse at the resounding hatred the victims are subjected to.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 4:37 am

For much too long, I have stomached outrageously biased (but seldom censored) new submissions denigrating the Islamic faith. (Accounts taken from purposely biased news sources, for accentuation.)

If those same broadly painted submissions had -- [insert one] -- substituted "Gay" or "women" or "obese" . . . they would have immediately sent up a RED FLAG, organizing others to gather in protest.

Seemingly, it is permissible to TRASH Muslims, with impunity, while projectile vomiting on the voices of those on the side of objecting to this favoritism by Care2 management.

(Is there a separate Code of Conduct? If one is pro-zionist , does that make a person impermeable?
Just a nudge . . .)

It might be a clue to forming opinions to actually CONSIDER (and actually absorb) the information offered by dissenting thinking.)

Does being pro-Zionist (which should NOT be confused with being Jewish, because one it's about governmental stance, and NOT about religion) immediately render the commenter as immune to public censorship?

And, if so, does that (due to the judgment of the self-appointed censor) make the point more acceptable?

Many comments on this subject have been deleted -- and yet, the very people championing censorship are guilty of being much more egregious in their behavior.

It's a news article.

 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday November 30, 2012, 6:40 am
Ahem, I am old and prone to forget a fact or two; but WHEN HAS ISRAEL RECOGNISED A RIGHT TO A STATEHOOD FOR PALESTINA? As I said, I might have forgot about this important step to peace Israel so honestly undertook.

Also, I am confused by eternal Israeli claims that Palestinian statehood will undermine peace negotiations. Israel is a state, isn't it, and Israelis definitively have not shown any desire to reject THEIR statehood in order to speed peace negotiations.

And, which peace negotiations is Israel talking about? Negotiations stopped 2 years ago after Netanyahu continued with illegal settlements in West Bank, making Pastrami sandwich of WB, as one Israeli politicians said years ago.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Friday November 30, 2012, 7:27 am
Jelica R. (152)
Friday November 30, 2012, 6:40 am
Ahem, I am old and prone to forget a fact or two; but WHEN HAS ISRAEL RECOGNISED A RIGHT TO A STATEHOOD FOR PALESTINA? As I said, I might have forgot about this important step to peace Israel so honestly undertook.

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Jelica, you seem to aware that in 1947 the United Nations passed a resolution that created the state of Israel, but you seem to have forgotten that this same resolution, also called the ‘Partition Resolution,’ created a state for the Arabs. The Arab nations in the region rejected the Partition Resolution, which included a state for the Palestinians, and went to war against Israel in 1948. If the Arab nations had accepted the Partition Resolution there would today be a separate state for the Palestinians. Israel is not to blame for this failure and the ongoing propaganda effort aimed at Israel is based either in ignorance or willful deception. As twice more since 1947 have Israel signed and offered the Arabs to have their own state.

These were:

Oslo agreements signed between Israel and PLO in 1993 and further accords signed by Israel for 95% of Samaria and Judea(West Bank) and Gaza to the Arabs in 1997/1998. In 2005 Israel evacuated every single Jewish family from Gaza and West Bank Block A (even Jewish families who have been living in these areas for over 3500 years have been removed) in the hope to have peace in return for the Arabs having their own Judenfrei state according to their demands.

These three times over that the Arabs could have had their own state already but rejected it each time, excludes the 1920 under British Mandate negotiations for a Arab state in trans-Jordan Palestine with a Jewish state in West Mandate of Palestine.

Hope this refreshes your memory... else you would do well to study the history before throwing yourself into the pro-Palestinian cause.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday November 30, 2012, 8:11 am
I know what is written in Res. 181. Since Israel didn't exist in 1947 when resolution was adopted, furthermore the same resolution determines the conditions of forming the state of Israel itself, I asked when Israel has formally recognised Palestinian rights in terms and scope specified by the resolution 181. We all know that Israel has occupied 22% of the territory assigned to Palestinians, and keeps West Bank and Gaza under harsh military control.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday November 30, 2012, 8:26 am


Thank you, Jelica.

 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday November 30, 2012, 12:41 pm
Hi Ros,

Uncontrollable madman??? For seeing the difference in interests between Palestinians and their leaders? I advocate the protection of civilians on both sides and recognize that most "human rights" or "peace" advocates work strongly against their stated causes.

I just checked with an expert on relevant international law and apparently under the treaties that I was thinking about, military-grade weapons could already be sold to Hamas because it is widely recognized as controlling territory. Apparently once that has been established, no legal difference arises from U.N. recognition, except in terms of the ICJ. Palestinians may now plead cases with the ICJ, but that may be meaningless. (It formally lacked jurisdiction regarding the barrier because it was entirely within one recognized country, but it declared the thing illegal anyways. That established it as a partisan agency, discrediting any further rulings regarding Israel.) The ICC is meaningless in this case because Israel has not submitted itself to that court's authority.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday November 30, 2012, 12:48 pm
Hi Jelica,

Israel actually did recognize the Palestinians' right to self-determination in two ways: First, during peace-negotiations with Jordan, Israel accepted the role of mandatory power, governing the area with the intent of helping Palestinians prepare for statehood, as much as that is possible. Second, it allowed the establishment of the P.A.

However, the West Bank and Gaza Strip are not fully self-governing. A lot of services of state in the Gaza Strip are offered by the UNRWA, not local government. In the West Bank, Israel still assists with central functions of governance like tax-collection. Palestinian parties control territory, but are not self-governing states.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Friday November 30, 2012, 3:44 pm
Avaazers, it's time to celebrate!

Hours ago, the UN voted overwhelmingly to recognise Palestine as the world's 194th state!!! It’s a huge victory for the Palestinian people, for peace, for our community, and people across the world are joining with massive crowds in Palestine to celebrate.

The Palestinian people's journey to freedom is far from over. But this is a powerful step, and our community played a key role in it. Responding to the vote, Palestine's Ambassador to Europe said:

"Avaaz and its members across the world have played a crucial role in persuading governments to support the Palestinian people's bid for a state and for freedom and peace. They have stood with us throughout and their solidarity and support will be remembered and cherished across Palestine." - Leila Shahid, General Palestinian Delegate to Europe
The US and Israeli governments; beholden to extreme lobby groups (yes, sadly even Obama has given in), threw everything they had at crushing this vote, using financial threats and even threatening to overthrow the Palestinian President if he went ahead. Europe was the key swing vote, and under intense US pressure, leaders were, just two weeks ago, leaning towards not supporting the Palestinian state. Knowing the stakes, our community responded with the speed and democratic force that we needed to win:

Nearly 1.8 million of us signed the petition calling for statehood.

Thousands of us donated to fund public opinion polls across Europe -- showing that a whopping 79% of Europeans supported a Palestinian state. Our polls were plastered all over the media, and repeatedly cited in Parliamentary debates in the UK, Spain and France!

We sent tens of thousands of emails, Facebook messages and Tweets to leaders across Europe and made thousands of calls to foreign ministries and heads of state.

We unfurled a giant 4-storey banner outside the EU Commission in Brussels (right) while leaders were meeting inside. Then, we staged another stunt in Madrid. Previously, we had sailed a flotilla of ships past the UN calling for a vote. Our actions made headlines all over Europe.

Avaaz staff and members met with dozens and dozens of government ministers, top advisors, senior journalists, parliamentarians and thought leaders in each of the key countries, in many cases teaming up to win over leaders one by one through advocacy, pressure, parliamentary resolutions and public statements, always drawing on the surge in people power behind this cause.

We reached out to key thought leaders like Stéphane Hessel, a 94-year old survivor of Nazi concentration camps, and Ron Pundak, an Israeli who played a key role in Oslo peace process, to speak out in favour of statehood.

One by one, key European states broke with the US to answer the call of justice and their peoples. In the final vote tally we got just now, only 9 countries out of 193 have voted against! France, Spain, Italy, Sweden and most of Europe has voted for Palestine.

The US and Israel argued first that statehood was dangerous for peace, and then, when they'd lost, that it didn't matter and the vote was just symbolic. But if it were just symbolic they wouldn't have done everything to try and stop it. And after years of bad-faith negotiations and Israeli comfort with the status quo as they steadily colonize more Palestinian land, this move shows the US and Israel that if they do not engage in good faith, the Palestinians and the world are prepared to move forward without them. It's a more balanced basis for real peace talks. And that's the best alternative to the kind of violence we saw Israel's government and Hamas offer in Gaza this month.

For decades the Palestinian people have suffered under a stifling Israeli military dictatorship, repressive controls on their travel and work, continual denial of their rights and the constant threat of insecurity and violence. 65 years ago yesterday, the UN recognized the state of Israel, beginning a path to the establishment of a safe home for the Jewish people. Now the Palestinians take a step down the same path, and gain a dignity in the eyes of the international community that they have been denied for a generation. And from that dignity, we can build the foundations of peace.

With hope and joy,

Ricken, Alice, Ari, Wissam, Allison, Sam, Julien, Pascal, Wen, Pedro, Saravanan, Emma, Ben, Dalia, Alexey, Paul, Marie, Aldine, Luca, Jamie, Morgan and the whole Avaaz team.

PS Here are some sources - The Associated Press covers today's victory, the Guardian covers our polling two weeks ago, Avaaz's Daily Briefing provides a map of the vote result, and Haaretz describes Israel's response.
 

Ros G. (90)
Friday November 30, 2012, 3:47 pm
Hi Stephen

I have flagged myself as being "inappropriate" - a misunderstanding in what you were saying. Apoligies
 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday November 30, 2012, 3:49 pm
Hi, Stephen
I was not asking about indirect or implied recognition. Simply by being there, Palestinians can not be overlooked. I want to know if there is any formal determinative statement from a relevant Israeli body which acknowledges Palestinian right to statehood. Since Israel complains that Palestinians "don't recognize Israel as a Jewish state", it is only fair for Israel to accept Palestina as a Muslim state. IMO.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday November 30, 2012, 9:05 pm
Hi Ros,

It's all good. I wouldn't recommend flagging yourself in general. Apparently too many of those can get your account shut down. In the future, I would recommend just sticking to explanations or, if necessary, apologies on the thread lower down, like your latest post.

Hi Jelica,
The exact statement in the Israel-Jordan peace-negotiations is very hard to track down. I have tried. However, the entire Palestinian legal claim to a right to statehood arises from it. Had Israel not accepted status as a mandatory power preparing Palestinians for statehood as effectively as is feasible, the West Bank would just have been territory captured in war and legally transferred, permanently, from Jordan to Israel in the peace-treaty. Israel does recognize a Palestinian right to self-determination, whether or not they have become a self-determining people. Under current terminology, self-determination without external higher legal authority is statehood, whether as a traditional state or a protectorate. (I believe it is in the best interests of both sides, and for peace in general in the region, for Palestinians to develop an unarmed Israeli protectorate-state rather than a fully separate one. Essentially, they get all the benefits of statehood, except their constitution forbids them from developing a war-fighting force, while Israel develops a constitution requiring it to protect Palestinians from external threats, serving in the place of a Palestinian army.)

As for current statehood, the primary problem with recognizing a Palestinian state is that there really is none. Neither the Palestinian governing body in the West Bank nor Gaza has established effective independence from Israel.

In the West Bank, some stage of tax-collection is still handled by Israel. Without collecting those taxes independently, the PA in the West Bank cannot enforce its policies (laws) and edicts. It cannot perform the basic functions of a state without Israeli assistance. On top of that, strictly speaking, it is granted legal authority to govern by the Israeli government, precisely how a regional government is granted authority to do so by a national one in a provincial system.

The Gaza Strip legally has a much better claim to statehood, but there, a a people, Palestinians have not established independence. Gazans mostly live on Israeli charity, specifically Israeli electricity and water. While it is possible for Gaza to produce its own vital goods, its economy simply cannot do that so it is not independent. Without local independence for vital goods, no Gazan authority can really establish sovereignty. Any order which it gives could be countermanded, without cost, by the Israeli Public Utilities Authority. While Hamas is legally not subordinate to any non-Palestinian authority, in reality until it can supply its own water and electricity (without which its population could not hope to survive a summer), the entire Gaza Strip is subordinate to Israel.

As you can imagine, the conditions are not symmetric. A lot of people have said that Israel is itself just a satellite of the U.S. due to all the money sent there from the U.S., but that severely overestimates the effect of the funding. U.S. funding accounts for less than a fifth of the Israeli military budget, and Israel is fully capable of defending itself from its neighbours without support from the U.S. Mediterranean fleet. Israel is a genuinely independent country. I know this appears to make little difference morally, but international law on the matter is not about morality. It is about preventing war and saving lives. To that end, the facts of the law are meant to reflect the facts on the ground rather than guide them. Might doesn't make right, but acceptance of might does prevent war and death. This is where the right of an existing state to continue to exist originates.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 12:40 pm
"Welcome Palestine ......Sign NOW" - Avaaz petition - As of 8:30 pm French time tonight: "1,783,730 have signed. Let's get to 1,750,000" -
We've gone BEYOND the hoped-for number of signatures!! And people are continuing to sign with no pause.


On this evening's news, I heard about Israeli retaliation for the Palestinians' UN victory: the announcement that 3,000 new settler homes will be built right near East Jerusalem, which will have the effect of blocking transport & communication routes between East Jerusalem & the West Bank; & make it even more difficult to put the 2-state solution into practice. What a bunch of bas--rds!

It was only on French TV news tonight, but in yesterday's The Guardian: "Israel to build new Jewish settlement homes after UN Palestine vote" - "Binyamin Netanyahu's plan for mass building on occupied terrorities seen as retaliation for recognition of Palestinian state"


I've posted the petiton to 'Thank Stevie Wonder for Canceling his planned Performance at the 'Friends of the Israeli Defense Forces' Fundraiser to be held in LA on Dec 6 & there is important & interesting info in the comments, including how the mass mobilization of BDS supporters to get him to cancel -& ultimately UN involvement- came about.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 12:59 pm
Thank you for posting all of these links Peasant Diva.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 1:08 pm
Stephen Brian (17)
Friday November 30, 2012, 9:05 pm

The exact statement in the Israel-Jordan peace-negotiations is very hard to track down. I have tried. However, the entire Palestinian legal claim to a right to statehood arises from it.

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I'm wondering along similar lines Stephen. And also how it fits in with the San Remo Agreement of a two-state solution between West Mandate of Palestine and Trans-Jordan Mandate of Palestine. If you do stumble upon something along these lines, please pass on. I'll do the same ..

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Had Israel not accepted status as a mandatory power preparing Palestinians for statehood as effectively as is feasible, the West Bank would just have been territory captured in war and legally transferred, permanently, from Jordan to Israel in the peace-treaty. Israel does recognize a Palestinian right to self-determination, whether or not they have become a self-determining people.

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I agree with you ..

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 1:50 pm
Thank you Peasant Diva!
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday December 3, 2012, 6:10 am
“My family in Israel has bomb shelters. They are, actually, safe. In Gaza, there is no such thing as “safe.” Please, ask your friends to join me in asking President Obama to make aid to Israel contingent on not using it to target civilians.”
Amir Terkel, Jewish Voice for Peace

http://www.obamaletter.org/
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Monday December 3, 2012, 7:57 am

Dr Sara Roy delivered the 'Edward Said Memorial Lecture' at the Palestine Center this year on October 10. Author, liberation theologian & Mondoweiss contributor Marc H. Elli, was there & writes about it in his piece, "Exile and the Prophetic: Listening to Sara Roy" : "Sara’s lecture was close to the bone. The only rhetorical lines were encapsulated in the title and in her closing. Her title is dramatic and, unfortunately, quite apt: “A Deliberate Cruelty: Rendering Gaza Unlivable.”

October 10, 2012 @ the Palestine Center:2012 Edward Said Memorial Lecture by Dr. Sara Roy, “A Deliberate Cruelty: Rendering Gaza Unlivable” - Video and Edited Transcript
[NOTE: This lecture is drawn from a longer research work that will be published (with full citations) as a new introduction to the third edition of her book The Gaza Strip: the Political Economy of De-development forthcoming from the Institute for Palestine Studies]


The video of Sara Roy giving her speech was also posted on the Boston University blogspot here, with this introduction -- "Roy's incisive and powerful lecture focuses on the pathologies of Israel's internationally supported isolation and punitive impoverishment of Gaza, including the destruction of its once viability economy" -- & this link - [This Nicolas Pelham essay in the New York Review of Books, October 26, 2012, is directly relevant.]


[Sara Roy, senior research scholar & professor at Harvard University's Center for Middle Eastern Studies (where she completed her doctoral studies in international development) is a political economist who has worked in the Gaza Strip & the West Bank since 1985, conducting research primarily on the economic, social & political development of the Gaza Strip and on U.S. foreign aid to the region. Dr. Roy has written extensively on the Palestinian economy, particularly in Gaza, and has documented its development over the last three decades. (She is also the child of Holocaust survivors)]
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Monday December 3, 2012, 8:01 am
I already signed that letter to Obama, Abdessalam.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday December 3, 2012, 8:14 am
Thanks Peasant, here are some good news.
Source: Britain considers recalling Israel envoy

www.egyptindependent.com

Britain is considering recalling its ambassador to Israel to protest at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's decision to expand settlement building, a diplomatic source said on Monday. Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that France was also considering withdrawing its envoy. Both embassies..
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Monday December 3, 2012, 9:57 am
Good for them! They should do it! I heard it on the news this afternoon while I was on the computer & they said that the French Foreign Ministry had denied it. So that probably means that it's true but was supposed to remain secret for the moment.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Monday December 3, 2012, 7:37 pm
Stephen; Nov 30, 9:05

"Had Israel not accepted status as a mandatory power preparing Palestinians for statehood as effectively as is feasible, the West Bank would just have been territory captured in war and legally transferred, permanently, from Jordan to Israel in the peace-treaty."

***No, it wouldn't not! There is a tiny problem of Res. 242, especially the principle of international law cited in the preamble to the resolution, of “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”. Resolution 242 was passed following the June ‘67 war, calling for the “Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.” Israel, needless to say, refused to do so and has remained in perpetual violation of international law ever since.

During the 1973 war, Egypt and Syria thus “invaded” their own territory, then under illegal occupation by Israel. The corollary of the description of this war as an act of Arab aggression implicitly assumes that the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza Strip were Israeli territory.

A simple litmus test question is: Is it territory that was occupied by Israel in the ‘67 war? If yes, then, under international law and Resolution 242, Israel is required to withdraw from that territory. Such territories include the Syrian Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip.

(Compiled from: Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict)
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"As for current statehood, the primary problem with recognizing a Palestinian state is that there really is none. Neither the Palestinian governing body in the West Bank nor Gaza has established effective independence from Israel."

"In the West Bank, some stage of tax-collection is still handled by Israel. Without collecting those taxes independently, the PA in the West Bank cannot enforce its policies (laws) and edicts. It cannot perform the basic functions of a state without Israeli assistance."

*** I still have to see an authority which will not be willing to collect taxes. WB is occupied, plain and simple, and under full Israeli control.

"Gazans mostly live on Israeli charity, specifically Israeli electricity and water."

*** Are you serious? Israel keeps Gaza isolated and then brags about it's charity.

Israel does not give Gaza anything they do not pay, Gaza pays for water and electricity and everything else they import from Israel. BTW, Israel prevent Gaza to get water and electricity from West Bank, which is also against obligations of occupying power.

About Gaza economy the World bank said in the report from Nov. 2012 that Gaza could function as any other state. Too bad that Gaza's infrastructure and facilities are so badly damaged. Again.

Cited from: Suffocating: The Gaza Strip Under Israeli Blockade; Amnesty International; Jan. 2010.:
"Fishing used to be a major industry in Gaza providing much-needed employment and income to local families. Since 2000, when Palestinians were permitted to fish up to 20 nautical miles offshore, the Israeli authorities have progressively reduced the area in which they allow Palestinian fishermen to work. Following Operation “Cast Lead” the permitted fishing area was decreased further still from up to six to just three nautical miles – even so, some of the fishermen in Gaza port have complained to Amnesty International that they get shot at after just two and half miles. Waters closest to the coast typically have low quantities of small fish. This limited catch, combined with rising fuel prices, mean that taking out the larger boats risks making an overall loss. Gazan fishermen increasingly use small boats for their meagre catches, leaving the larger boats unused and rusting in the harbour."

“In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.” -- International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Cited from: Gaza in 2020; UN Country Team in the occupied Palestinian territory, Aug 2012.:
"One of the main reasons for the economy’s inability to recover to pre-2000 levels has been and is the blockade of the Gaza Strip. (1) The Palestinian Ministry of National Economy estimates that this led to costs or unrealized growth worth US$ 1.9 billion in 2010."
"Restrictions on access to agricultural land and the fishing limit of three miles from the coast remain challenges. Gazans cannot, or only with difficulty, access 17% of the enclave’s land, including 35% of its agricultural land, because it is located in the ‘buffer zone’ or in the high-risk, access-restricted
area near the fence separating it from Israel.
More than 3,000 fishermen do not have access to 85% of the maritime areas agreed in the 1995 Oslo Accords. As a result, the fish catch has decreased dramatically over the years of closure. Overall, land and sea restrictions affect 178,000 people, 12% of Gazans, and result in annual estimated losses of US$ 76.7 million from agricultural production and fishing."
"The Gaza Marine offshore gas field has the potential to supply all the energy needs of Gaza, as well as to provide substantial resources for development though the sale of surplus gas. It is therefore essential that this resource be developed."
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(1) According to the World Bank (2012, page 19) “Israeli restrictions remain the biggest constraint facing Palestinian private sector growth.”
According to the IMF, easing of restrictions is a necessary condition for the high growth scenario of 5.5-6.6% per capita per annum.

*To say that "Palestinians live on Israeli charity" is both cynical and false. Israel is doing everything possible to prevent Palestinian statehood, which is noted in numerous UN resolutions.

You went far and wide, yet that pesky question "when has Israel explicitly recognized Palestinian right to statehood" remains unanswered.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 2:02 am
Many thanks Abdessalam - for the link - signed with pleasure
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 9:54 am
Israel has in the past demolished many homes* & is still demolishing homes in the West Bank.

Does this belong to the category of "preparing Palestinians for statehood"?

All planning &/or urban planning concerning Palestinians in what is called 'Area C' -which corresponds to 60% of the West Bank- is controlled by the Israeli military. Palestinians have absolutely no say in this planning. This includes granting (or NOT) building permits & carrying out house demolitions.

Rabbis for Human Rights & The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) are involved in tracking developments & contributing to their favorable outcome (where & when possible): Palestinian house demolition; Palestinian requests for a building permit; joint Palestinian/ICAHD lawsuits.

My recent post on this issue, entitled, "About Bulldozers: Area C House Demolitions Exploit Powerless - Beit Arabiya Destroyed for 6th Time Since 1998," draws on three articles, each of which takes the 6th demolition of Beit Arabiya as its starting-off point:

1) The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD), November 1, 2012 : Beit Arabiya Demolished for the Sixth Time, ICAHD Names Those Responsible


2) 'Rabbis for Human Rights': November 20, 2012:"House Demolitions Exploit the Powerless in Area C", by Rabbi Arik Ascherman

3) 'Rabbis for Human Rights': November 6, 2012: "It’s Really About Bulldozers: Opening Words" by Rabbi Arik Ascherman. Excerpt:
".../...The only crime of the Shawamreh family is that, after having spent great sums of money and taken every possible measure to get a legal building permit, they have been forced to build without a permit. There is no legitimate planning, security or other reason whatsoever for not granting the permit. The only reason is that the Israeli army, which has sole control over planning for Palestinians in Area C (60% of the West Bank), makes it almost impossible for Palestinians to get a building permit there.

Demolitions continue while there is a High Court petition pending hearing – a petition that will raise arguments about the patently obvious discrimination, the axiomatic principle that people must have a say in the procedures and decisions that so drastically impact on their lives (and we will prove just how devastating that impact is). From both a human rights and from a Jewish perspective, it is hard to think of a more justified appeal. .../... The midrash to the week’s Torah portion in the time of the demolitions teaches us of the toll that trauma takes. We are taught that Sarah dies of a heart attack after she finds out that Abraham almost sacrificed their son. Of all the terrible things I have seen in my 17 years with Rabbis for Human Rights (RHR), nothing quite matched the sight of a child coming home from school to discover that his/her home has been demolished. S/he had a home when s/he went off in the morning, and now there is rubble. I have seen all too many times how more than just the physical home is demolished. Families are demolished. I will never forget the fearful families literally sitting on suitcases, and looking out the window every morning. Maybe this is the day that their home will be surrounded by soldiers and the bulldozer is approaching. I will never forget the six-year-old child asking his parents, “If they come to demolish our home again, do you think we could save my bicycle?” To this day I have post traumatic flashbacks whenever I hear a pneumatic drill.

.../... There is no possibility that Israel’s Civil Administration (the army body responsible for planning in Area C) will fairly and properly plan for Palestinians in Area C if they are not at the table when their fate is decided."


[Rabbi Arik Ascherman is one of the leading figures of Rabbis for Human Rights and currently serves as the Director of Special Projects and External Relations of the organization. Rabbis for Human Rights advocates for human rights and social justice in Israel based on a humanistic interpretation of Judaism.]

One can only conclude that "human rights and social justice" are sorely lacking in Israel & especially the occupied territories administered by Israel, despite Alexandra's protests to the contrary: otherwise, why would these good rabbis spend so much time & effort trying to ensure that human rights & social justice are indeed respected& taken into account for Palestinians, on an array of specific issues & concrete cases?

*Center for Constitutional Rights: "Since its occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem following the 1967 war, the Israel Defense Force (IDF) has destroyed more than 18,000 Palestinian homes in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT)." http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/factsheet%3A-home-demolitions-and-caterpillar
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:43 am

If you want to know, Carole -& anyone else- what was going on in the US government, particularly the State Department, but also in Congress, while Jews in Europe were being rounded up & sent to living hell @ Nazi concentration camps, to be either exterminated immediately on arrival or later, dying from exhaustion, malnutrition, starvation, terrible disease, a combination of all, or just plain executed or murdered... READ THIS BOOK : "While Six Million Died: A Chronicle of American Apathy," by Arthur D. Morse, who left his prestigious job as a 'CBS Reports' producer to be able to devote himself entirely -& for three years- to the research and writing of this devastating account.

The 'apathy' in the subtitle is, by the way, a gross inaccuracy because it was much more a question of willful neglect, refusal & obstruction than indifference; & if you read the book you, too, will be convinced of that!
As they say on the Amazon site, "First published in 1967, this work reveals the untold story behind the DELIBERATE OBSTRUCTION placed in the way of attempts to save the Jewish people from Hitler's 'final solution,' with detailed documentation from worldwide interviews with participants, research in archives around the world, as well as classified and official papers that had never been published before Arthur Morse's exhaustive study."


Just to give you a couple of examples:

Assistant Secretary of State in the Roosevelt Administration, Breckinridge Long, was an open anti-Semite. As ambassador to Italy, his previous post, Long had also been an effusive admirer of Mussolini. "In a letter to FDR in 1933, he called the fascists “the most interesting experiment in government to come above the horizon since the formulation of our constitution 150 years ago. Many men are in uniform. The Fascisti in their black shirts are apparent in every community They are dapper and well dressed and stand up straight and lend an atmosphere of individuality and importance to their surroundings.” Throughout his career, Long believed that he was under persistent attack from, in his own words, “the Communists, extreme radicals, Jewish professional agitators, refugee enthusiasts, Jewish radical circles, they all hate me.”] And yet everything connected with the relief of Jews in Europe – from visas, to distribution of food and medicine – fell under this man’s supervision! " Among several memorable misdeeds he committed, "Long helped craft one of the most deadly U.S. policies during the war—the refusal to open the border to fleeing refugees. During the 3&1/2 years that the U.S. was at war with Germany, a mere 21,000 refugees were admitted into the country, just 10 percent of the numbers that could have emigrated under the quota that existed at the time!" Tragic, just tragic!

And US Congressmen stood on the Senate & House floors shamefully arguing with not one iota of shame that admitting Jewish refugees into the US as Jews, per se, was against our Constitution & founding principles because this accepted & established different treatment for Jews as opposted to other groups of potential immigrants!

"In 1939, Senator Wagner proposed a bill in Congress that would admit 20,000 Jewish children into the U.S. from Germany. The children would be adopted by American families and the whole enterprise would be funded by private organizations. Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles killed the bill, defending the administration’s position that, “It would be inadvisable to raise the question of increasing quotas or radical changes in our immigration laws.” "

"In May 1943, Sweden presented the Allies with a plan where it would arrange for the safe transfer of 20,000 Jewish children from Germany. Sweden offered to provide housing for the children for the duration of the war. It only asked that Britain and the U.S. share the cost of food and medicine and permit supplies to go through the naval blockade. After five months of silence, the U.S. responded that they did not want to antagonize the Germans by limiting the rescue to Jewish children, and the plans were scrapped."
 

Carrie B. (309)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:59 am
You guys are great! Thank you for all of the links. I signed letter also.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 2:48 pm
You cannot currently send a star to PeasantDiva because you have done so within the last week.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 2:55 pm
It is more than sad that there are some here who refuse to accept the documented facts about the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict. It appears many decisions are made on fear, hate, and prejudice. Facts many nothing to those who have closed minds.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 3:13 pm

No, Jill -- I didn't know that; and I thank you for enlightening me.

Although I plan to visit the sites you referenced (and totally trust your judgment) . . . sometimes, too much truth can be upsetting to one's supportive delusions.

In essence, I'm extremely disappointed in my own perspectives regarding the history, honor and humanity of this government. (Not that I wasn't before, but this is an outrage I need to absorb.)

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 3:48 pm
 
In light of my own above statement, for any of you STILL acting as apologists for the outrageous human rights violations committed by Israel, I invite you to view the following C2NN news submission, which then leads you to the following YouTube video.
 
I will not hold my breath, waiting for you (Zionist protectionists) to reconsider your position.  I post this, instead, for the information of those readers who are humanitarians.
 
 
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 3:53 pm
West European coasts were filled with Jews (and many other) refugees from all over occupied Europe. I've seen a lot of movies where people paid fishermen to take them to security - to a more friendly country, or to board them on the cross-atlantic ships going to America after the ship had sailed off - or to get on board in ports using false documents because USA didn't approve their visas ... I thought that this fact is well known. If you look deeper, what do you think "Casablanca" is all about ... a friendly policeman in Vichy France North African colony, turning a blind eye on smuggling refugees and a presence of the resistance movement.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 3:57 pm

Jelica, while I think of myself as an "aware" U.S. citizen, I -- most honestly -- did NOT know this.

While I can admit my humble ignorance, I think it is incumbent upon ALL citizens (of any country) to question the biased history (propaganda) they are taught.

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 4:07 pm

We, in the U.S., start becoming brainwashed from the age of 5, when we are inducted into public education.

MOST of the history I learned in my schooling (including that of Native Americans -- of which I am one), was strongly supportive of all actions by the then majority of European settlers and/or government.

(Hell, they almost -- and I emphasize "ALMOST") -- had me convinced that my own ancestors were barbarians, and as such, deserved genocide.

We need to guard our perceptions. Just because a teacher (who you were taught to respect) tells you something, and its written in a book . . .