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Republicans Losing Blame Game on Fiscal Cliff

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: congress, corruption, republicans, dishonesty, ethics, propaganda )

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A majority of Americans say that if the country goes over the fiscal cliff on Dec. 31, congressional Republicans should bear the brunt of the blame, according to a new Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll.

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Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 8:46 pm
Noted. Thanks.

Jason S (50)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 8:52 pm
Good posting, thanks

Susanne R (235)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 10:18 pm
Only someone who limits their news coverage to Fox News would be surprised by this information.

Thanks for posting this, Carrie!

Diane O (194)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 2:43 am
The Washington Post is a biased left wing newspaper. I stopped receiving it five years ago. If the rest of you want to add another $1.4 trillion to your country's debt without needed spending cuts then I would say that you will be directly responsible for supporting Obama's incompetence.

Fox News is but one media outlet. Only one. How silly to think that republicans only watch Fox. I read from over 10 websites every morning most of them left wing.

When you read a single article written by a left winger and believe it's true I would add that this must be your "Fox News."

Arielle S (313)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 7:26 am
This is what the election was all about - Yes, yes, Diane, it wasn't a win by a 98% margin - but then again, if the GOP hadn't cheated, used voter suppression, and spent billions of dollars trying to buy the election, it darn well might have been. Fair is fair - the wealthy have had it easy for some time now - time to get back to the real world.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 12:56 pm
Dianne O., the numbers being fed to you by the right wing liars does not add up. Obama's plan will work. The numbers work and the history of America shows that it will work.

Kevin Lewis (1)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 2:17 pm
I may never vote for a Republican again.

Diane O (194)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 3:27 pm
Roseann, what do you mean by "corporate welfare?" Although corporate profit is a huge potential piggy bank for government revenue it is, in fact, taxing income twice and is a self defeating policy by taxing business development that creates JOBS and national wealth as well as individual wealth in the form of JOBS that generate individual income and income tax revenue. What is required is a balanced informed approach. Corporations, including big oil are NOT the bad guys UNLESS you buy into the notion that government should control all aspects of the economy. If you think that is the way to go you are denying America's history as the greatest economy and "engine" of "global economic" prosperity the WORLD has ever seen.

Diane O (194)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 3:29 pm
Christopher, you would be wrong.

Carrie B (306)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 3:40 pm
Economists agree with Obama. History prove both Obama and the economists are correct.

Diane O (194)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:03 pm
The history is a maintream media influence over public opinion.

Roseann d (178)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:08 pm
Well, Diane, mainstream media stations accepted plenty of SuperPac money to run their ads from both the GOP and the Dems...unfortunately, the Green Party and other parties didn't have that kind of money to compete.

Wayne W (12)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:27 pm
Diane, there is no evidence that low taxes on the wealthy and corporations create jobs. In 2011, federal cororate income taxes came in at 12%. If what you say is true, then the US is now at full employment.

On Tuesday, FedEx Chairman and CEO Fred Smith, an adviser to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said that the notion that tax hikes on the richest Americans would kill jobs was simply "mythology."


Also Diane, when the US economic engine was at its strongest, the effective tax rate on the wealthy was 51% and the marginal tax rate on corporation was 42%-52%, as you can see in this chart:

It's now at 35%. You just have a totally skewed view of our nation's history.

Lois Jordan (63)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 5:14 pm
Thanks, Carrie. I'm just going to start writing my Congress critters and POTUS that during the Eisenhower Admin., the tax rate was 90%, and the American economy was thriving. (After all, rightwingnuts want to take us all back to the 1950's). Let's go back to the 90% tax rate. If everyone started writing this, I think Congressional heads would explode. They want to be so extreme with their austerity, extremism works well--let's show them. Right now, CEO pay is at an all time HIGH, wages are at an all time LOW.
I've read many articles stating that a "fall off the so-called fiscal cliff" would hurt the GOP much more than the Dems. So, I say, let the Sequestration stand, let Harry Reid change the filibuster rules, let Obama bring forth his middle-class tax cut plan, continue Pentagon cuts, raise the minimum wage to $15, and institute a Financial Transaction Tax on greedy, gambling Wall St. Meanwhile, raise the payroll cap on Soc. Sec. and reinstate, raise and extend unemployment benefits. Pass Medicare For All. For starters.

Carlene V (202)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 7:40 pm
Guess the GOP hasn't quite recovered from losing the last election. You would think that they would be trying to right the wrongs but no, they'll just move on with their distrutive behavior and rhetoric. Boehner is not in control of the house anymore than I am. He is being lead around by the sinking tea party facists who, for the most part, are too uninformed to know they are voting againt their own interests. Today, we even had ole' Mitch McConnell filabustering his own proposal, a first in the Senate. But then the Republicans in the House and Senate have done many "firsts" since Obama took office. I'm calling it racist because that is exactly what it is, always has been, they just can't stand a black man in the White House.

Susanne R (235)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 8:47 pm
Diane: Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA) has been in effect for 11 years and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA) has been in effect for 9 years. These tax cuts didn't help small businesses and they didn't spur job growth. Please read the article that appears below, which was written in 2010 by David Cay Johnston, a Pulitzer Prize winning Tax Analysts' columnist. He also teaches at Syracuse University College of Law and Whitman School of Management, and is the author of two bestsellers on taxes, Perfectly Legal and Free Lunch.

"The hard, empirical facts:

The tax cuts did not spur investment. Job growth in the George W. Bush years was one-seventh that of the Clinton years. Nixon and Ford did better than Bush on jobs. Wages fell during the last administration. Average incomes fell. The number of Americans in poverty, as officially measured, hit a 16-year high last year of 43.6 million, though a National Academy of Sciences study says that the real poverty figure is closer to 51 million. Food banks are swamped. Foreclosure signs are everywhere. Americans and their governments are drowning in debt. And at the nexus of tax and healthcare, Republican ideas perpetuate a cruel and immoral system that rations healthcare -- while consuming every sixth dollar in the economy and making businesses, especially small businesses, less efficient and less profitable.

This is economic madness. It is policy divorced from empirical evidence. It is insanity because the policies are illusory and delusional. The evidence is in, and it shows beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts failed to achieve the promised goals.

So why in the world is anyone giving any credence to the insistence by Republican leaders that tax cuts, more tax cuts, and deeper tax cuts are the remedy to our economic woes? Why are they not laughingstocks? It is one thing for Fox News to treat these policies as successful, but what of the rest of what Sarah Palin calls with some justification the "lamestream media," who treat these policies as worthy ideas?

The Republican leadership is like the doctors who believed bleeding cured the sick. When physicians bled George Washington, he got worse, so they increased the treatment until they bled him to death. Our government, the basis of our freedoms, is spewing red ink, and the Republican solution is to spill ever more.

Those who ignore evidence and pledge blind faith in policy based on ideological fantasy are little different from the clerics who made Galileo Galilei confess that the sun revolves around the earth. The Capitol Hill and media Republicans differ only in not threatening death to those who deny their dogma.

How much more evidence do we need that we made terrible and costly mistakes in 2001 and 2003?"

I can't understand why you can't let go of a mindset that has been proven wrong by both history and reality.

James Maynard (84)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:15 pm
John or Orange had best wake up and smell the
loss his party suffered and the dictate the public
sent up to Capitol Hill or he and they will all be
out come 2014.
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