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Obama, Boehner Trade 'Fiscal Cliff' Proposals But Appear No Closer to a Deal

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President Obama and House Speaker John A. Boehner were struggling late Tuesday to prevent negotiations from breaking down after they traded dueling proposals for averting the year-end "fiscal cliff" that made no progress toward an agreement.

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Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 10:13 pm
Boner is paid to represent the super rich and that is what he is doing.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 12:43 am
Noted. Thanks.

Jim Phillips (3257)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 8:05 am
Obama wants to move forward.

Boehner wants move backwards, remain as status quo for the filthy rich.

Obama has the power - He needs to use it, now.

Better to NOT pass bad legislation with this lame duck session. Wait until the 113th Congress comes back from the Holidays and tackle this issue.

Ty, Carrie.

Suzanne L (99)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 9:14 am
This should be about the welfare of the people, not a standoff based on party affiliation.

Dorothy N (63)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 2:49 pm
Was just sent this, posting for those affected who haven't seen it yet:

This week, thousands of Americans picked up the phone to help the President prevent a tax hike on middle-class families.

We can't stop now. Republican leadership in the House of Representatives is still refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would prevent 98 percent of American families from paying higher taxes next year.

If your taxes go up by more than $2,000 in a couple weeks, there's only one reason: because a few dozen Republican representatives refuse to ask the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans to pay their fair share.

You can do something about it. Log on to the call tool today and ask fellow supporters who live in Republican districts to call their representatives now:

Voters have already made their voices heard on this issue. As the President said at his first press conference after the election:

"If there was one thing that everybody understood was a big difference between myself and Mr. Romney, it was, when it comes to how we reduce our deficit, I argued for a balanced, responsible approach, and part of that included making sure that the wealthiest Americans pay a little bit more.

"I think every voter out there understood that that was an important debate, and the majority of voters agreed with me ... by the way, more voters agreed with me on this issue than voted for me."

Yet a handful of Republicans in the House of Representatives are still fighting for the same top-down approach that's been tried -- and has failed.

Whether you voted for the President or not, he's fighting to keep taxes low for 98 percent of Americans and 97 percent of small businesses, because he believes we need to grow the economy from the middle out.

He's fighting for you. He's got your back.

We've got to get his, too. Make a few calls right now. One person reaching out to another is how we re-elected Barack Obama. It's how we'll win this fight, too. Just a few minutes of your time will make a difference.

Thanks for doing your part. More soon.


Jim Messina
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

P.S. -- If you want to make your voice in Congress heard, too, look up your representative here then call the switchboard at 202-224-3121.


Thomas P (280)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 2:49 pm
Noted. Here is how this gets resolved more quickly. Go to this address: and remind Speaker Boehner that President Obama won reelection with over 51% of the vote, that even more people (61%) want to raise rates on the wealthy to resolve the debt crisis, and that Americans voted for over 1 million more democrats in house races than they did republicans. The speaker's Washington phone # is (202) 225-6205. Ask him to stop protecting only the wealthy, and start representing ALL Americans, especially the majority.

Elizabeth M (65)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:27 pm
Thomas P. you said it all!! Boehner is wanting only to protect the rich. Everyone should be phoning that number
and maybe the Republicans will realize that they HAVE to consider ALL Americans.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:51 pm
My email today to Boehner at
Please show some grace, and respect President Obama, as did the Democrats in Congress during the Bush years and the Republicans in Congress during the Clinton years, and honor the intelligence and decisions of our current President Obama. How did Clinton's decision to raise taxes and give US a surplus happen? How did the Bush Tax cuts across the board happen? Now we have a DEMOCRATIC, HIGHLY EDUCATED PRESIDENT and it it PAST TIME TO ALLOW HIS POLICIES TO BE PUT INTO PLACE...He was ELECTED based upon his plan to improve our lives and make things fair for taxpayers. Thin n of all of the FREE MONEY that is sent out around the world, the trillions of dollars that go int othat secret back hole where federal laws do not apply. We, the TAXPAYERS come FIRST. Our tax dollars are for US, our health care, our retirement, our safety, before our earnings are given away to MILITARY, and so many other nations when we have no control over what these government leaders choose to spend them on!!! GET A CLUE and stop coming across in public as though you are disrespectful, uninformed, stubborn, PETTY, DISHONEST, EGOTISTICAL, etc. IT IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT'S TURN TO PUT HIS IDEAS INTO PLACE.

Jason S (50)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 6:24 pm
Debt forgiving that an option no one talking about, Good posting, thanks

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 8:50 pm
My friend, Thomas, I have nothing to add to your comment.

Billie C (2)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 10:27 pm
both sides need to give. gop let some taxes go up. obama cut spending. obama does not need however the right to increase the debt limit with no controls. no president should have that.

Arielle S (313)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 6:18 am
Thank you for that link, Thomas - Here's what I said to Mr. Boehner: The President won the election for a reason - he understood the will of the people and was willing to fight for them. He won his election - will you win yours next time? It seems safe to say the American people are fed up with the inaction and stubborn attitude of this Congress - If it comes down to trusting the GOP or the President, there is no contest. The President wins that, too.

Jim Phillips (3257)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 10:00 am
Note to Boehner- per address above:

Note: Speaker Boehner: President Obama won reelection with over 51% of the vote, that even more people (61%) want to raise rates on the wealthy to resolve the debt crisis, and that Americans voted for over 1 million more democrats in house races than they did republicans. Boehner: Stop protecting only the wealthy, and start representing ALL Americans, especially the majority.

If any cuts are to be made to the budget, cut the military and contractor's budget by 50%. Americans are tired of WAR!

Social Security is NOT part of the federal budget! No cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Do your job and work for the citizens of USA, not the filthy rich.

By the way, you, Mr. Boehner, have been deemed as the worst Speaker of the House in US History.

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 12:30 pm
Boner and the rich are wrong. We and Obama are right! Every one in the country agrees that tax cuts for the rich has been a super disaster.
I'm astounded at these people that support the right, sit there in silence as Boner tells them, screw you, you little peasants. We stand for the top 30,000 people.
That they are all silent when asked about democracy. Practically telling us, they believe in corporate fascism! What they are really saying is, we are zombies...really! Any other word for this phenom? Lemmings is appropriate but it leaves out a certain element. Cranium size.

Jae A (316)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 12:37 pm
The left doesn't need 'to give', that's all they did the first four years of Obama's's time to hold pat and no deals period. Foward not backward only. It's the fricken GOP obstructionist that stand to lose their jobs now..not Obama's. That's what he must go by fricken deals period.

jan b (5)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 1:00 pm
Let the republicans back down. this time. . In a stunning departure from America's long-standing tax policy, Republicans moved to eliminate taxes on investment income and to abolish the inheritance tax. Under the final plan they enacted, capital gains taxes were sliced to 20 percent. Far from creating an across-the-board benefit, 62 cents of every tax dollar cut went directly to the top one percent of income earners. "The capital gains cut alone gave the top 400 taxpayers a bigger tax cut than all the Bush tax cuts combined," says David Cay Johnston, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich – and Cheat Everybody Else.

jan b (5)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 1:01 pm

(might find this interesting ) Tax rates on top tax brackets

1918 77%
1921 73%
1923 56%
1924 46%
1925 28%
1929 24%
1945 94%
1955 91%
1965 70%
1975 70%
1980 70%
1982 50%
1987 38%
1993 38%
2003 35%
2011 effective 17% and still declining

. (0)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 2:51 pm
Again, this "cliff" nonsense would have never happened during the Bush, Reagan, Nixon, LBJ, even Truman years. These were the years when the President was the President. It's different when we have a President whose focus is on a Hawaiian vacation.

James Maynard (84)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 2:51 pm
Thanks Carrie, and to all the great comments.

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 3:09 pm
"GOP obstructionist that stand to lose their jobs"

Their supporters never fire them. They're stuck on stupid, Jae. They reelected Boner, McConnell and Ryan. They love all this hate. They don't want to change THAT! And that Islamophobia they all feed on...Double the hate!

I give up, Jae. Secession is the only option left to us.

Kevin Lewis (1)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 7:34 pm
Republicans: the party of NO!!!!!!!

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:33 pm
Once again, "Great chart, Janice." *I'm unable to send a star to Janice since I sent one in the past week.
That "cliff" is there for members of the GOP to push each other off. At this point, Obama has played his cards wisely.....I just hope he doesn't cave.
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