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SOUTHERN DISCOMFORT


Society & Culture  (tags: culture, americans, government, politics, society, interesting )

Carrie
- 563 days ago - newyorker.com
The New Year's Day vote in Congress that brought a temporary truce to the fiscal wars showed the Republicans to be far more divided than the Democrats, and the division broke along regional lines



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Elaine Flynn (0)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:07 am
thank you
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday January 14, 2013, 10:59 am

The south will rise again when they begin to think and behave as Americans, a part of normal American culture and not those lost in history. Good article.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Monday January 14, 2013, 11:08 am
Very strange mindset. It's hard to comprehend for those in other parts of the country and world.
 

Elizabeth M. (66)
Monday January 14, 2013, 12:31 pm
Very interesting article.
Thanks for sharing Carrie.
 

Chris C. (147)
Monday January 14, 2013, 12:43 pm
The South does seem lost in history, Kit. Great comment! The South is beautiful but I'd never want to live there now.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday January 14, 2013, 1:23 pm

I do live here now. Many still think we are fighting the Civil War - to which I say, "get over your bad selves, history is the story of our our past...."
 

Carol H. (229)
Monday January 14, 2013, 5:39 pm
noted, thanks Carrie
 

Jason S. (57)
Monday January 14, 2013, 6:18 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Nancy Black (299)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:38 pm
Noted, tweeted, read, tweeted, and shared. I was raised in Southeast Missouri. At that time, Missouri was strongly democratic, It changed with the Civil Rights Bill and the end of segregation. That's when the South became Republican. Unfortunately, the Republicans didn't change the social values of the South; the South changed the social values of the Republicans. Now to maintain the South, the Republicans have given up everything good about their party to become bigots against minorities, women, and gays. The South had always justified their actions through religion and the Bible; now the Republicans try to do the same thing by talking about values.
 

Lynn Squance (227)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:39 pm
“Football matters here, because it is symbolic of the fight we all fight. Winning matters here, because it is symbolic of the victories we all seek. Trophies matter here, because they are symbolic of the respect we deserve but so rarely receive.” That defiance is a sure sign, like Governor Rick Perry’s loose talk of Texas seceding, that Southernization has run its course.

Southernisation has run its course, indeed. Sitting here north of the 49th, I might see things a little differently, maybe not. To me, the South is racism, discrimination, small thinking, intolerance, religious fervor bordering on, if not fanaticism, cronyism, and conservatism in capital letters. Having said that, I have friends in the South who are wonderful people, liberals caught in an area where progressive values are anathema.

Kit sent around a picture of Yods ascribing the following to him:"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

When I consider these words, it makes me think that the South was (Civil War) and still is afraid of losing its cherished way of life. The South lost the Civil War, and so the South had to abandon slavery as a practice and had a radical change to its lifestyle. That lead to anger at the North for bursting their bubble, and created a south/north emnity. The current South, having lost once, doesn't want to lose again.so the anger is percolating. The longer is percolates, the more the southern hate raises its ugly head. As the hate spills over, all of the US suffers --- political obstructism, wars on women, on the LGBT community, on minorities, on the poor.

It seems to me that the South needs to get over the Civil War and realise that the country is stronger with them as full participants, rather than petulant children lost in their own egos. And likewise they need to understand that they too are stronger in a unified country not broken by petty sniping.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:48 pm

Our way of life? The so called days of glory? The days of antebellum ways? Just leave my football games out this - if southern it be, then southern I am. Loves me some football. The rest is so outdated and so filled with an ugly past that we must lead the south into this century.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:49 pm

Geographically, Lynn and I from TEXAS and not the south, not exactly.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday January 14, 2013, 9:50 pm

Whoa it is bedtime - Lynn and I are from Texas - not a typo just bad editing.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Monday January 14, 2013, 10:05 pm
I think there is a huge difference between the Southern obsession with High School football and our National obsession with a particular NFL team. Teenagers in high school should not be placed under the same pressure as those in the NFL who are making millions of dollars. Parents who put that kind pf pressure on their children are irresponsible.

I have always believed that children's sports teams should not be school affiliated, but rather a community endeavor. More money should be placed on physical education for each and every child rather than a few who excel at a team sport.

Too much money is spent on high school and college sports that could be spent on education. What a concept ~ send our children to school to learn instead of play sports! What an absolutely revolutionary concept that is!
 

Joy Wong (74)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 4:25 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Donnaa D. (12)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 5:09 am
no matter what party is in, both should pull together for the good of the country, its terrible how they hamper each other, what way to carry ON, i hope it gets better
 

Jude Hand (59)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 5:22 am
Interesting to read the New Yorker article, having been raised in the NE and having lived in the South for almost a quarter century. The article agreed with a lot of my personal conclusions about the area.
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 3:13 pm
As a total outsider, and thankfully a foreigner, I recently re visited the "South" and Texas in particular, my previous visits were during WW 2. Then as now the impressions were great people, everyone so polite, great place to visit. I'd hate to live there. As a Texan said to me. Texas is a great State to be from. FAR from. All those attributes of being a "Southerner" is completely offset by their self centred insularity, & obsession with religion, any religion as long as it is Christian. This is off putting to most people, especially Australians and Limeys who, in the main, have relegated religious beliefs to the quirky past.

I found it amusing that they had an obsession with the size of Texas. Does size matter if the quality isn't there?
In Australia we have cattle ranches the size of Texas, and the beasts roaming them sometimes show more acumen. Albeit I would sooner visit America again than many European places. Americans may have a lot of kooks but generally the inhabitants are pleasant. Bit like Australians but more so.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 4:07 pm
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Devon Leonard (54)
Wednesday January 16, 2013, 1:04 am
I hadnt considered some of this...thanks for this article and the many comments...
 
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