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Roxanne Lara Calling for Cathrynn Brown's Resignation Over Abortion Bill

Society & Culture  (tags: women, violence, sexual assault, Cathrynn Brown, society, ethics, abuse, sadness, rights )

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Former Eddy County Commissioner Roxanne Lara is pushing an online petition calling for the resignation of State Rep. Cathrynn Brown, R-Carlsbad, in response to Brown's legislation calling for felony charges for abortions related to rape and incest.

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Angelika R (143)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 11:43 am
"This is part of a malicious attack and I'm very disappointed that one of our local residents would be participating in this attack," Brown said. DAMN RIGHT it is, and you're speaking of YOURSELF, Ms Brown!
Where is that petition? Can we sign there as well?

Carrie B (306)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 11:47 am
FB Petition Calling For Resignation of Cathrynn Brown

David C (129)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 11:51 am

Terry V (30)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:04 pm
S&N THANKS Carrie!


Kit B (276)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:11 pm

Parts of life are about choices, when choices are allowed.

The same petition from Sign-On is at Facebook, as I have signed that one, I left a comment.

Kit B (276)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:13 pm

At least the Teabaggers are still living up to their name.

Angelika R (143)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:21 pm
Thx Carrie for the FB link-which turns out to be the SAME ( petition!

Carrie B (306)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:30 pm
Thanks guys. Since I don't belong to FB, I had no way of knowing it was the same petition. Either way it will be found and signed!

Chris C (152)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:32 pm
I signed the petition with an extremely scathing comment!
C.Brown is a terrible embarrassment to those of her gender! There is absolutely NO place in government for this poor excuse for a human/woman!

Angelika R (143)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 12:36 pm
No use for that woman trying to lie her way out of this now..even if she may have had noble ideas and protecting women on her mind (her history speaks a different language as some here suggested), if she is unable to put clear unmistakable English language into a bill she's unfir for her job just the same!

Thomas P (280)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 1:31 pm
Noted...I too signed the petition.

Animae C (514)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 1:46 pm
signed again (with another email)

jo M. (3)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 2:08 pm
It's just a bill, not a law. If New Mexican's don't like it then they should contact their legislators and ask them to vote against it. No way should she resign over this, any more than the dumocrat from Oregon should resign over his stupid bill to make cigarettes a prescription item.

Carrie B (306)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 2:12 pm
No jo M, it is not "just a bill"! It is an offensive and vicious attack on women and women's rights everywhere!

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 3:03 pm
thanks for the post Carrie!!!...signing the petition next!!...........

Diane K (134)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 3:44 pm
Noted. thx Carrie.

Kevin A (64)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 4:15 pm
Noted and signed. This moronic woman is simply trying to justify imposing her beliefs on others.
As a retired police detective I can assure you that any evidence that might be needed to prosecute the Rape or incest cases can be obtained from the aborted fetus. The only reason we ever waited for the birth of a child for evidence was because the mother opted to carry it full term by her own choice not because some holier-than-though moron in government requires it.

If you want to ban something, ban the tea-party zealots from government service.
Our founding fathers specifically wanted a separation of church and state to prevent just this type of religious interference in government. Religious freedom includes the right to be free from religion!

Carrie B (306)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 4:41 pm
Thank you Kevin for an excellent comment! Brown obviously speaks for herself and her own questionable beliefs, and NOT for the law enforcement community who know more about evidence that she (Brown) could ever comprehend.

Mitchell D (87)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 5:59 pm
Rock on, Roxanne.
Noted, and i will look for the SignOn petition,and sign on.

Esther Z (94)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 6:01 pm
Happily noted and signed. This woman has to go!

Laurie H (817)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 6:46 pm
Very important posting---very appreciated Carrie-will sign = hope she'll be gone soon!~

Elizabeth M (65)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 7:14 pm
Thank you for posting Carrie. Noted and signed. This woman should be ousted right away!

Jason S (50)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 7:44 pm
Good posting, thanks

Karen H (6)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 8:22 pm
INoted & signed. this women does need ousting right away!!

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 9:42 pm
I'm not on facebook either but I did sign the Sign On one. Thanks.

Ness F (211)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 10:57 pm
Noted and signed! TY Carrie!

Robert O (12)
Monday January 28, 2013, 12:14 am
Thanks Carrie.

Emma S (239)
Monday January 28, 2013, 1:06 am
Thanks, Carrie. I signed the petition, and just want to let people know you don't have to be on Facebook to sign it (I'm not).

P A (117)
Monday January 28, 2013, 2:17 am
I found the Sign On petition here and signed it
Thanks Carrie - green stars to Angelika and Kevin A (tried others but the computer said the week since their last star wasn't up yet!).

Past Member (0)
Monday January 28, 2013, 4:35 am
Noted/thanks Carrie

Arielle S (313)
Monday January 28, 2013, 7:21 am
Representatives are supposed to *represent* the will of the people - this is certainly not the will of women. Time for Ms.Brown to find a new job...

Farah Hage Ali (153)
Monday January 28, 2013, 7:33 am
noted, thank you

Ro H (0)
Monday January 28, 2013, 7:39 am

Gene J (290)
Monday January 28, 2013, 7:47 am
I mentioned on another story about this bill that there is no way it can be upheld as constitutional because it would require a woman to testify against herself, a condition barred by the 5th Amendment. One would think a legislator would know this. Perhaps an ex-legislator will learn it. That would be just...

Susan V (80)
Monday January 28, 2013, 9:59 am
Ok -- I haven't read the bill -- and I can't access it on my computer right now, but in another report, Brown claims that the bill was written with the INTENT of preventing the rapist from FOrcing his victim to get an abortion in order to destroy evidence of the rape.

Maybe that's an excuse, - she does have a history, but I think we should be sure.

If the intent of the bill is to, for example, prevent a father who has raped his daughter from FORCING her to have an abortion to destroy the evidence of incest, then that seems good. This is what Brown is claiming she meant -- so she revised the bill to make it clear.

I don't really know what she's up to, and I can understand the concern after reading reports of the first version of the bill, and her history, especially concern about how it would be interpreted, no matter what the intent.

But ust because many Repubs introduce bills that condemn women and/or don't support them after rape, it doesn't mean everyone does or that everyone who's antiabortion would go so far as to prosecute all abortions related to rape as destroying evidence..

Brown is pleading with everyone to read the bill before making judgment. I would like to know more before assuming.

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday January 28, 2013, 1:04 pm
Noted. Thanks, Carrie. So glad to see this pushback happening!

Kathlene Lentz (30)
Monday January 28, 2013, 2:01 pm
Everyone who values their rights as women and who values the rights of victims needs to push back against this kind of legislation. It is unconscionable that a woman would be forced to carry the child of a rapist AND that the child would be considered "evidence". How much more ridiculous can you get?

Amy Darby (0)
Monday January 28, 2013, 3:13 pm

Carrie B (306)
Monday January 28, 2013, 3:24 pm
Well Susan I have read the bill and this is the second time I am putting it on a post.

This is the Bill as it was initially presented. I will let you know if I get the new one. I received this from Progress Now New Mexico.

51st legislature - STATE OF NEW MEXICO - first session, 2013
Cathrynn N. Brown


SECTION 1. Section 30-22-5 NMSA 1978 (being Laws 1963, Chapter 303, Section 22-5, as amended) is amended to read:
A. Tampering with evidence consists of destroying, changing, hiding, placing or fabricating any physical evidence with intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or to throw suspicion of the commission of a crime upon another.
B. Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.
[B.] C. Whoever commits tampering with evidence shall be punished as follows:
(1) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a capital or first degree felony or a second degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a third degree felony;
(2) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a third degree felony or a fourth degree felony, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony;
(3) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is a misdemeanor or a petty misdemeanor, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a petty misdemeanor; and
(4) if the highest crime for which tampering with evidence is committed is indeterminate, the person committing tampering with evidence is guilty of a fourth degree felony."
SECTION 2. EFFECTIVE DATE.--The effective date of the provisions of this act is July 1, 2013.

Tamara Hayes (185)
Monday January 28, 2013, 3:26 pm
I think Ms. Brown should be stripped of her womanhood. Apparently she is not in touch AT ALL with her feminine side. She is like the Grinch who stole women's rights! How dare she try to impose her pro-rapist law on the women of NM! I'll bet she would be singing a different tune if it happened to her! Excellent post Carrie and I am signing the petition right now.

Jane Mckenzie (20)
Monday January 28, 2013, 3:38 pm
people are in denial

Dianna M (16)
Monday January 28, 2013, 3:47 pm
And just in case you missed it, this from National Partnership For Women & Families:

Just in case you thought the 'personhood' thing was over and done with.

The sperm and the egg just met, and they ALREADY have more rights than humans born!

Carol H (229)
Monday January 28, 2013, 4:05 pm
noted, she should resign!!! I signed the petition!!

Past Member (0)
Monday January 28, 2013, 4:29 pm

Aurea Aurea Walker (226)
Monday January 28, 2013, 6:05 pm
Not only is this truly reprehensible Mrs. Brown be removed from office she should lose all tax paid for pension, medical coverage et al taken from her. She unwittingly did force the Roman Catholic Church to show it's true colors. Now the rcc attorney's are saying the embryo is NOT A PERSON UNTIL IT IS BORN. Wait, isn't the rcc against abortion because it is killing a person. Boy the rcc really wants it both ways. Pun/snark intended.

Lynn Squance (235)
Monday January 28, 2013, 11:57 pm
Women should have choice --- their choice --- with their bodies. The choice does NOT belong to the state, or anyone else.

Victimised by the rapist and then victimised by the state --- that is what this bill does. Women will be punished for a rape. She said people misunderstand the bill. I don't think so. Apparently Brown has a history in anti-abortion in New Mexico. She's just trying to hide that history behind the moniker of legislator.

"...her intent was not to charge incest or rape victims with a felony if they terminate their pregnancy. " She knew exactly what shewas doing and her denials are nothing more than political grandstanding.

Anybody have a bucket of tar and a bag of feathers? She thinks people are stupid and don't see through her. Ha!

Lauren Rischel (0)
Tuesday January 29, 2013, 12:29 am
I am a 67-year-old lesbian and I was drugged and gang raped when I was 20. Reporting it was out of the question because besides being raped again in court (if it would have even reached court), in 1966 Hollywood, there was also a chance of being raped by the police.

Had I become pregnant, there was no recourse to abort, other than having to try to do it myself or risk death at the hands of some back alley hack, so I would have had to give birth to a child who would be a daily reminder of the rape (this is assuming that I didn't commit suicide first). Prisons and gangs are full people who were unwanted/abused children.

It is obscene that all of this violence against women doesn't cause mass rage throughout our society (specifically the law enforcement/legal community), but if a woman kills a man in defense of herself and/or her children, she is treated like she had committed a heinous crime, is usually prosecuted with a vengence and given a lengthy prison sentence.

The sad reality is that all modern societies are phallocracies and that the possessors of said phalluses are treated as minor deities.

As a result of her actions, and the fact that she is ostensibly a woman, I can only view Cathrynn Brown as an especially vile woman-hater.
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