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Pope Benedict XVI's Successor: Church Shift to Developing World Could See First Black Pope


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Carrie
- 555 days ago - telegraph.co.uk
Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana and Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria are in the frame to become the first ever black pope, certainly in the modern era. Photo is Cardinal Francis Arinze.



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Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Monday February 11, 2013, 2:44 pm
The Catholic Church has always considered Africa a continent to be :saved:. The Salvation Army, The Red Cross do little, but try to convert :natives: into Christians. An African Pope, I think would put a stop to the nonsense and redefine what these organizations should be doing.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Monday February 11, 2013, 3:45 pm
I agree Allan.
 

Thomas P. (468)
Monday February 11, 2013, 4:20 pm
This is yet another opportunity for Catholicism to move closer to those of us who actually make up the church (the laity), whose beliefs I feel are more in tune with those of Jesus (beliefs such as inclusion, forgiveness, helping the poor, not judging others) than those of the Bishops. Or it can continue to move to the right and suffer the consequences of not only not growing the religion, but losing members as well. And, being from New York, respectfully, I am not at all a fan of Archbishop Dolan's politics, and am tired of seeing him spread his brand of Catholicism as a frequent guest on such right wing outlets as Fox News (particularly as a frequent guest of Bill O'Reilly). The fact that his name has been mentioned as a possible candidate for Pope is disappointing to me. He along with most of the US Catholic Bishops are totally out of touch with the laity (a majority of whom, in the US, supported President Obama...twice). Some might be surprised that issues such as the earned income credit and universal health care are beliefs we hold dear as Catholics, and they are actually prayed on by Priests. We as Catholics believe that health care is not only a fundamental right, but a moral obligation of a society to be provided to all. I actually feel the last 2 popes have been further to the left of the US Catholic Bishops. And should (hopefully) the church settle on someone from Latin America or Africa (the only places in the world where Catholicism is growing), then that would be an opportunity to take at least small steps forward and perhaps eliminate some of the major hypocrisies such as not allowing birth control (since a full 98% of Catholics have practiced it despite this "ban.").
 

Brian M. (145)
Monday February 11, 2013, 4:24 pm
The church could bring an end to the culture of patriarchy by electing a woman pope, but, of course, they haven't even made a woman either a cardinal or a priest. We need more women in leadership positions in every aspect of our civilization.
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Monday February 11, 2013, 5:35 pm
I agree with all the comments so far Thomas Allen and Brian all made fantastic points If there where a new pope from Africa i think he would put an end to the nonsense of converting then leaving he would actually HELP them and Thomas made agreat point that this could be a chance for the church to choose a Pope who is more in tuned too the masses and im LOVING what Brian said about a woman Pope we d need more women in power prsonally me id love to see a Black Pope especially from Africa it would show a new direction of the church and that just what catholisism needs a fresh approach thannks Carrie
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 11, 2013, 5:54 pm
Indeed, as Brian said, a woman pope-a distant dream fantasy- but it is only reasonable to have a black pope now after a black US president. I would welcome him ! Although I don't think much of the institution itself.
Plus an African pope could help fight Islamist fundamentalists there.
Yes, stars to you all-where I can!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 11, 2013, 5:59 pm
As for Allen's comment, I have no way of verifying his statements /allegations. But, as their name says, the Salvation Army should be doing just that because it's their main mission.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Monday February 11, 2013, 6:45 pm
Thomas P., Thank you for the very well informed comment.
 

Jason S. (57)
Monday February 11, 2013, 7:39 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Jim Phillips (3208)
Monday February 11, 2013, 9:01 pm
Pope Benedict XVI is most likely the worst Pope the Catholic Church has had for the last 100 years or more. Glad he is leaving. Good riddance.

The new Pope should be a forward thinking, progressive one. The tired, angry old white conservative men should not be leading the Catholic Church anymore. The men who are responsible for electing a new Pope
must not listen to Dolan.

Ty, Carrie.
.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Monday February 11, 2013, 9:46 pm
Benedict XVI should never have been Pope ~ perhaps the Catholic Church can remedy this by electing a more qualified man to be their Leader.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 12:35 am
Although I received a strict Roman Catholic education and upbringing, I can't honestly say that I care. And, ironically enough, it's because of my strict Roman Catholic education and upbringing that I can honestly say that I don't care. I have to admit that I had a high opinion of and great deal of respect for Pope John Paul II, but it was because I could sense the genuine goodness of the man, not because of his office.
 

AniMae Chi (399)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 3:27 am
Don't understand Catholicism enough to comment.
 

Birgitta S. (225)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 5:08 am
like Kunsioux D. saying. Very very interesting news though.
 

Carol D. (108)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 11:58 am
There have been prophecies that the last pope in the end times will be black but i think St Malachy the irish saint said the last will be Peter the Roman
Interesting
Noted Thanks
 

Stephanie Reap (192)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 12:19 pm
I would love to see a non-Caucasian being pope. the world looks less and less light and the pope should represent ALL of the churches members.
 

Chris C. (147)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 12:22 pm
We've had 2 good popes since 1958 - that's it! (John Paul the XXIII and John Paul II). It's high time for a progressive pope to try to rejuvenate the sorely dwindling Catholic Church. I'm sure Dolan would LOVE to be pope - he is so obnoxious!
Thomas P - eloquently said! Thank you!
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 12:46 pm
The new Pope is always selected by the College of Cardinals.
The present College of Cardinals, consists of people hand-selected by the present Pope.
So, what are the chances of a "new change of direction"? Practically none.

Even if a new Pope was to be African or South American - they are VERY Conservative!
In Africa, for example, Catholic clergy is working TOGETHER WITH Evangelicals, to get behind Bills CRIMINALIZING Gay behavior in an effort to eliminate Homosexuality entirely! This sounds an awful lot like GENOCIDE...
 

Carrie B. (309)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 3:06 pm
Not all of the Cardinals have been selected by Pope Benedict. Also Benedict has his share of Cardinals who disagree with his views.
 

Lois Jordan (54)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 3:54 pm
I feel much the way Susanne, (above), does. Although raised Catholic from a mostly Italian family, I only spent a year in their school and family life wasn't so strict. I think my mom & grandma had gotten pretty disgusted over the years of "bowing and scraping" to priests and bishops, that I picked up on their attitude. Their deaths, over 20 yrs. ago, allowed me to cut my church ties. John XXIII brought a fresh breeze to the church, which has been nitpicked apart since that time. Although I won't be affected by the choice, millions of other will be. I imagine there will be a great divide amongst the cardinals, and the decision will be an interesting one.
 

Aaron Bouchard (126)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 4:45 pm
Noted thanks
 

Mitchell D. (130)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 5:23 pm
You go, Thomas P.! What a way to put forth the product of a thinking mind!
This should be very interesting, and one hopes the church does not miss a chance to do something special.
 

Sherri O. (257)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 6:50 pm
Sorry folks, but you don't elect a Pope because of political correctness. There are a few good potential candidates, one of them being Canadian.
 

Jon T. (59)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 4:32 am
There seems to be a complete lack of knowledge of what Christian international development organisations do in the developing world from some commentators on here. I suggest you get some facts and then come back and retract your comments and apologise.

You could try starting here http://www.christianaid.org.uk/ or http://www.cafod.org.uk/
 

Patricia H. (468)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 5:59 am
noted, thanks for sharing
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 10:08 am
According to the Bible, organized religion "the whore of Babylon" will fall and all the nations kings whom were "drunk" or blinded and bribed by her will be in despair. Revelations 17 and 18. As far as the last pope being black, that was a prophesy by Saint Malachy in 1139 AD who said there would be 112 popes. We are on 111 and he just resigned. According to Saint Malachy the 112th would be a black pope called Peter the Roman. Take note that there was no reference to a papacy in the Bible to begin with.
 

Frank S. (457)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 10:41 am
I'm with Carol D. If indeed a Black Pope is elected to office, then it may fulfill the prophecy, and if the prophecy is fulfilled, then the time for the return of true owner of the Earth is near, and believe me he is not going to be very happy with the mess we have made of the Earth!
 

Elizabeth M. (66)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 12:37 pm
Thank you for this article Carrie. I think Thomas P said it all!
 

Lynn Squance (230)
Thursday February 14, 2013, 1:15 am
Some really good comments today. I am a protestant liberal Christian much to the disgust of my mother's Irish catholic step-father who called me a heretuc. I disagree with the strict conservative views that seem to be the basis of catholicism and the evangelical movement. Many catholics I know, including my sister-in-law use BC, live or lived together before being married etc etc. In my view, the Catholic church hierarchy is so out of step with Jesus' teachings at times, it almost sounds blasphemous.

Having said that, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, a Canadian, is thought to be in the top four candidates. I stumbled across this video when I was opening up my computer tonight. Of course Colbert had something to say about it. Enjoy, it really is funny.

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/a-canuck-cant-be-pope-stephen-colbert/185ebwb4z

As to a Cardinal from Africa or South America, I think that would be great. I don't know if Africa was involved in Liberation Theology, but certainly those in South America were. Too bad that Archbishop Romero is not around. He, I'm sure would be a Cardinal by now and if he felt it was his calling, he might even be a candidate for Pope.
 
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