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Child Shoots Herself at Yellowstone After Congress Legalizes Guns at Parks

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According to a statement from the National Park Service, a woman called 911 on Saturday morning and told dispatchers that her daughter had shot herself with a handgun at the Grant Village Campground.

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Sheila D (194)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 4:00 pm
Think I have finally found the Perfect poster child for the NRA..."Carry guns - so your child can kill herself".

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 4:06 pm
Noted. Allowing guns in parks was an amendment to the Credit Card Act. That's why I have such a hard time asking my Congress members to pass bills. I have to be very specific, and ask them to keep the bill "clean" from amendments that would water it down, change it's basic meaning, add pork, or add other issues having nothing whatsoever to do with the original bill.

During the Health Care Insurance Reform & Financial Bill debates in Congress, so many amendments were added that we who were messaging our Congress members had to be SO specific. Now, with the Farm Bill, there's a strong push for that, even though SNAP is left out, the King Amendment is included, and so many of the issues Care2 members have fought for will just be nullified.

Same is true with the Immigration bill. I get messages almost daily from a couple groups to please ask my members to pass this. It's full of pork to start with. The pathway to citizenship is convoluted, expensive and takes many, many years. It's a ca$h cow for private corporations who will be given billions of our tax dollars to continue building a wall, buy even more drones, and double the number of Border Patrol agents...which is completely absurd.
Sorry to be somewhat off topic here. But, I do feel very strongly about the way these bills pass through Congress. And, I will continue to press my members to pass more laws on background checks, outlaw gun shows, re-instate the Assault Weapons Ban, and eliminate multiple clips. Thanks for letting me vent.

S J (130)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 4:39 pm
I myself survived many times, twice from my own mistakes.
Noted sadly, thanks Carrie

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 4:53 pm

Gloria picchetti (304)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 6:21 pm
After making guns legal in the National Parks what did they expect?

Tamara Hayes (185)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 7:19 pm
An absolutely senseless loss of life that could have been avoided. Terribly sad. Way to go Congress and Obama! Oops, you did it again! Assholes! Thanks Carrie.

Twyla Sparks (208)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 9:22 pm
another innocent life taken because of guns!!

Jason B (142)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 11:17 pm
Sad the girl had to die, but are the parents now going to sue the park? because of there stupidity.

Anne F (17)
Monday September 9, 2013, 12:05 am
how sad! more details will emerge (age, situation), but not a good part of a camping vacation

Paul Burton (29)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:29 am
Nothing screams MISTAKE like a dead child. Personally I fell all the blame has to fall on Sen. Tom Colburn adding the amendment to the Credit Card Act and on Barrack Obama for signing it into law.

Candy L (473)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:29 am
Sorry about the little girl, but were going to see more of these shooting, because we can't get The Repuks to pass any sensible guns laws. Gun Locks! ever hear of therm! In 2009, Sen Tom Coburn (R-OK) added an amendment to the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act that allowed concealed weapons to be carried in national parks. President Barack Obama signed the Credit CARD Act into law in 2010.That's why you need to read everything, before you sign anything.

Annaliisa Abramova (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:31 am
This is heartbreaking.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:47 am
What does a credit card have to do with a gun?
A gun used by an innocent child of a guilty parent.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:51 am

She was 3 years old. :( Her poor father had brought the gun to protect his family. :(

I'm sure the parents are grieving deeply. My sympathies go out to them. :(

Mary Oliveau

Siti R (12)
Monday September 9, 2013, 3:52 am
the President is not a 'control freak' who has to lead the Congress. it was the Congressman's civic duty and job to scrutinize every word, line and preferably layman language; to pass a bill into law. the blood of that 3yr old is in that Senator's hands besides the foolhardy father!!
Seriously people, you have exceptional intelligent men in office but you giving them far too much credit where they wield power over your own long term interests. poor kid was a curious just like any other kid, our jobs are to look after their well-being at all time. bringing a gun to a camping trip with children in attendance- bonkers!!:(

cecily w (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 3:53 am
No, Lois--You aren't off-topic. Many bills that go to both houses of Congress today are "stealth vehicles". It would be hard for anybody to read these horrible weighty documents--much less understand the ramifications.

Does anyone remember Herman Cain who campaigned for the Republican presidential nomination. He had a couple of points going for him, and several points against. He had been a businessman before entering politics, and stated that bills should be limited to three pages in length. Soon after making that statement, he was gone.

Jonathan H (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 4:42 am

Lindsey O (19)
Monday September 9, 2013, 4:57 am
How sad. And unfortunately for the grieving parents it's their fault since when you have young children and have guns it's your absolute responsibility to keep the guns where a child can't get at them. A gun can be a useful weapon of protection when camping, especially in an area like Yellowstone which has, I believe, the largest concentration of wildlife (including predators) in the continental U.S. But if you don't have enough respect for safety to secure your weapon from accidental use by a child then you shouldn't carry or own a gun at all.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 6:56 am
It's tragedy but an appeal against the injustice

Past Member (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 7:58 am

Why does everything have to be about politics?
Where's the compassion and empathy that you should be feeling for this child and her parents.
Finding someone to lay the blame on is not going to bring her back., and it is certainly not going to fill the holes in the hearts, and souls of those who love her.

This tragic event should not be used for your agendas. She was only 3 years old. :(

Mary Oliveau

Lona G (80)
Monday September 9, 2013, 8:51 am
Excuse me, have all members of congress gone mad? First of all a bill was written to allow guns into parks. Why on earth would it be necessary to do so in the first place. To be able to also stand your ground in a park or something? Then the bill is passed because it was smuggled in as an amendment of the Credit Card act that has nothing to do with it. I know of few other countries where you can pass more than one bill at the time, and even then it is usually scrutinised by a second tier before made into law.
And then some gun lover (a family member?) of course had to take a concealed gun into the camping ground and the little girl got to play with it somehow. And now there is one little three-year old dead, and most congress members don't even remember passing this amendment or even knew they were passing it.
The way legislation and democracy works should have been up for revision years ago.

Lindsey O (19)
Monday September 9, 2013, 9:48 am
Lona, a gun can save a camper/hiker from injury (or death) in Yellowstone (and other national parks). Throughout the years there have been attacks (and deaths) from various of the wildlife - bears, bison, elk, mountain lions, deer (a surprising number of people are attacked by what we often see as a harmless deer), venemous snakes, etc. If proper safety precautions are used guns can be secured away from children (tragically some parents are fools). But the wildlife can't be secured.

Gene J (290)
Monday September 9, 2013, 11:22 am
The sad truth is that the likeliest victim of any handgun are those who live in proximity to it, not shot by strangers or during robberies, but at home, by someone you love in the heat of an argument or by accident when children find loaded weapons and play. If we are going to have handguns then weapon safes ought also be required by law and laws enacted that specifically target people who do not use them. Yes, I know that means some parents will be punished when their children find their guns and shoot themselves or their siblings or friends. I am sorry but that is just. A mistake that large, keeping a loaded weapon outside a gun safe where children can, and DO, find and do terrible harm with that weapon, is more than negligence, it is criminal, or should be. With great power comes great responsibility, well loaded weapons are great power, and the great responsibility is to ensure they NEVER can be used by accident. Even some of those domestic abuse murders might not happen if the drunken or high killer had to first get into a gun safe to get one to use. Leaving them lying around, in a sock drawer, or under a pillow is criminally negligent behavior at best, and ought be so treated. Yes, that may result in a grieving parent being punished, but he/she would be had he/she driven drunk and killed his/her child, this is no different than that. Worse in some ways.

Elizabeth M (65)
Monday September 9, 2013, 11:29 am
So terrible that a little girl is now gone, leaving her parents to grieve and wonder if they didn't have that gun......
I am sorry Lindsey, but I totally disagree with you that guns are needed when camping in Yellowstone, what do you think the Park Rangers are there for? If an area is unsafe, people are told, barriers and signs are put up. But the problem is hikers don't pay attention and they are the ones we hear about that have problems with the bears. If people would only use their heads regarding the wildlife, there wouldn't be problems, after all it is their territory. To me this a puny excuse to carry a gun!!
Thanks Carrie.

Jessica O (9)
Monday September 9, 2013, 11:40 am
I see many blaming this credit card act. Obviously a stupid thing, but what about the accountability for the parents? Did you know it is still legal in North Dakota to shoot an Indian with a long gun as long as you are in a covered wagon. Just because it is legal doesn't mean it makes sense. I live in Canada where we camp in the middle of nowhere bush where there are black bears, grizzlies, coyotes, wolves and many other animals like in Yellowstone. NO NEED for a hand gun. How much does this type of thing have to be brought to light before people will learn. Those parents may as well have given the kid Kool-aid mixed with rat poison. Same degree of responsibility in my mind. I do not sympathize with the parents. Guns may not be the's the people.

Lindsey O (19)
Monday September 9, 2013, 11:46 am
Unfortunately, Elizabeth, wildlife doesn't stay in one little area of the park. Animals roam freely - and there's no way that "barriers and signs" will prevent people from coming into contact with them (do you really think that signs and barriers are put up every place the Park Rangers see a deer, for example - and deer attack quite a few people.) And Park Rangers aren't beside each and every camper/hiker 24 hours a day. When confronted with an animal attack the animal isn't likely to hold off on the attack until the camper/hiker is able to phone the park rangers and they arrive on the scene. The reality is that we can't always count on the authorities to look after us - sometimes that responsibility falls on the individual.

Roseann d (178)
Monday September 9, 2013, 12:21 pm
Guns have no place in national parks. Stupid idea. Tragically, this family seems to have learned that lesson the hard way. I know I don't want the sound of bullets ripping through the air destroying my peace and tranquility on vacation. Of course the family shares some responsibility but Coburn should be sued for sneaking this bill onto the unrelated Credit Card Act. Wildlife is in it's own territory, we've robbed them of most of their habitat. It's their home, not ours.

S S (0)
Monday September 9, 2013, 12:26 pm
Thank you.

jan b (5)
Monday September 9, 2013, 3:00 pm
Complain too loudly just because another child dies by a gun ....and gun sales will go UP. That's the way it works in the USA.

Carrie B (306)
Monday September 9, 2013, 6:15 pm
What kind of idiot leaves a loaded weapon where a three year old can get it? Too many guns and irresponsible gun owners in this country!

Candy L (473)
Monday September 9, 2013, 8:06 pm
Why was it so easy for the 3 year old to shoot her self? Kind of odd that she to pointed the gun at herself & fired Is it that easy to pull the trigger? Maybe the couple was arguing & the gun went off, & killed the child. Why don't people that own guns & have children believe in using GUN LOCKS! In California Firearms must be kept locked up when children may be present. The 2008 California Dangerous Weapons Control Law modified California Penal Code 12035 defining criminal storage of a firearm as keeping "any loaded firearm within any premises that are under his or her custody or control and he or she knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm." A person may be charged with a crime, if he or she keeps a loaded firearm, and the child takes the firearm to a public place or causes injury

Connie O (44)
Tuesday September 10, 2013, 7:24 am
The problem here is that the parents brought and kept a loaded weapon where a child had access to it. A hard lesson for them to learn.
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