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Why Do Right-Wing Christians Think 'Religious Freedom' Means Forcing Their Faith on You?


Society & Culture  (tags: right wing Christians, religion, rights, freedoms, society, abuse, government, politics, interesting, corruption )

Carrie
- 184 days ago - alternet.org
True religious freedom requires a secular society, where government stays out of the religion game and leaves it strictly to individual conscience, a standard that runs directly against the modern conservative insistence that America is and should be a...



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GGmaSheila D. (169)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 5:22 pm
It's getting really scary here in America...especially if you don't agree with the religious extremist nutcases.
 

Natasha Salgado (578)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 6:15 pm
My comment disappeared yet again....anyway we NEED more Atheists!
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 7:50 pm
Noted. Some stats were given on Real Time w/Bill Maher last week that 53% of those polled wouldn't vote for an atheist for president. Maher was thrilled, because that number used to be much higher, and has been descending quickly in the past decade. The younger generation doesn't listen to their elders (duh) who are "haters" and one day Xtians will be in the minority, and I will throw a big party. Maybe if they weren't so mean and hateful, this wouldn't even be an issue.....of course the Big Media just keeps it going.
 

Margaret Goodman (238)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 8:33 pm
If Hobby Lobby wins, then, in theory, anyone working for a Seventh Day Adventist will have to pay for their blood transfusions; anyone working for a Christian Scientist will have to pay for all medical care not given by Christian Science practitioners; anyone working for a Hindu will have to pay for all medicines that have animal productsi n them. When does the craziness stop???
 

Terry King (109)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 9:51 pm
Christians are creepy!
 

Donn M. (1)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 10:07 pm
Anti-Christians are creepier.
 

Terry King (109)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 10:12 pm
Hahaha... Don, I think I should stop by your house some morning and we can talk about Aeheism. You don't seem to understand the joy of the nonbeliever!
 

Donn M. (1)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 10:18 pm
No, but I think I understand the nastiness.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Thursday June 26, 2014, 11:08 pm
To each his own.
 

Val R. (254)
Friday June 27, 2014, 4:47 am
I am spiritual - have no place for religions - too many arguments, wars etc due to them - but each to his own - just DON'T push it on me.
 

Cynthia not well (340)
Friday June 27, 2014, 6:06 am
Christians are not Christians anymore.....they have forgot the concept.
 

Dimitris Dallis (10)
Friday June 27, 2014, 7:07 am
Because there is no separation from the state (from any state)...since the Roman era...
Was and still is, a convenience way to gain control over people...
 

Winn Adams (205)
Friday June 27, 2014, 8:34 am
Religions are cults. Being Spiritual has NOTHING to do with religions of any kind.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Friday June 27, 2014, 8:40 am
And left wing Christians force their love on you. And then get told they aren't Christian.
 

DORIS L. (61)
Friday June 27, 2014, 8:47 am
Absolutely correct. Religion causes far more problems than it helps. It does not belong in our laws. It is a system of control, and if you wish to practice it, that is your right and privilege. But don't tell everyone they have to do the same. That is fanaticism.
 

Lona Goudswaard (78)
Friday June 27, 2014, 12:19 pm
Thanks for the article, Carrie. It gave me one of those moments in which I really appreciate the country I live in and the fact that we are one of the most secular in Europe and becoming more secular each day, because 2nd generation immigrants tend to follow the Dutch example.
 

jan b. (3)
Friday June 27, 2014, 2:06 pm
When the Bible was translated from Greek around 5000 times, some ancient male wrote that " we needed to spread the word " and that's what right-wing Christians think they need to do because they believe in the gospel truth. .

Mark 16:15-16

And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
 

AWAY TILL NEXT YEAR (101)
Friday June 27, 2014, 2:31 pm
It is often infuriating to see what the fanatical religious Right is accomplishing in this country. How easily they are manipulated to serve the will of corporate interests. How quickly they cry religious persecution in the face of reasoned opposition while often using and hiding behind their religious texts to inflict pain and suffering upon their fellow countrymen and women. It is especially infuriating to see how willing they seem to be to inflict injury upon the collective intellect of our society by insisting on the negation of intellect in our learning institutions for the sole purpose of bolstering the precepts of their religious texts.

But as bad as I think it will get in the coming years, I think this can be seen in a positive light. These are the death throws of a dieing ideology, someday in a hopefully not so distant future, religion will be relegated to the primitive missteps of humanities cultural infancy.

So keep pushing Christians, because like with everything, the harder you force your will, the sooner will come your downfall.

And I for one, look forward to that day. A day when religion is not so much beaten but simply walked away from, forgotten and left to die.
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Friday June 27, 2014, 2:49 pm
My first thought on this is that they believe that they have a responsibility to proselytize; that they will get special points in heaven if they do; that the angels, there, to paraphrase the song "Have nothing to do but sit around Heaven" compiling "all day."
Of course it may be that they "KNOW" their version of the truth is the one and only right one, and they are doing the rest of us a devout service...short of putting us to the rack!
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Friday June 27, 2014, 5:57 pm
Say, Don M., I do not know of any "Anti-Christians," only people who are "Anti-Ram-It-Down-My-Throaters."
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Friday June 27, 2014, 8:04 pm
Why? Because, as jan b said, Jesus is recorded as having said "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations." And being a sensible, loving person himself, he didn't think he had to explain the difference in words of one syllable between "disciples," "slaves," "flunkies," and "robots." Or maybe he did and it didn't get written down. But the fact is the very act (they think) of obedience is in fact an act of disobedience - because it doesn't work to accomplish what he did command - and anyone with half a brain could predict this.

Incidentally I am a Christian personally - and the kindest, most loving person I know is an atheist. I'm afraid I stand with the roughly 80% of Americans who believe that if Jesus came back to earth today he would certainly not recognize most of the people who call themselves "Christian."
 

Roberto M. (55)
Friday June 27, 2014, 10:41 pm
Noted
 

Charlie Rush (67)
Friday June 27, 2014, 11:58 pm
The answer to the question is quite simple.
The majority of Christians don't practice their own religion.
They do not follow in the footsteps of Christ. In fact, most of the so-called Christians have no idea what Christ said or did.
It's a GAME, and the GAME is a GAME of _control_.

I'm not talking about god; I;m talking about the game of religion.
In fact, I believe that god would hate would has become of the teachings that were presented.
 

Ben Oscarsito (357)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 7:28 am
Well, those morons can't force their faith on me, that's for sure!
 

Kathleen Mireault (111)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 1:08 pm
Noted. Thx, Carrie. Organized religion of any kind gives me a RASH! People can believe whatever they want, no problem! Just don't bully those whose beliefs are different. In a pluralistic society, secularism provides a very large, inclusive tent. Live and let live!
 

Thomas B. (1)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 1:11 pm
Because all religions are founded to create inferior outsiders.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 1:43 pm
Very good question. Doris L. says it all, thanks.
 

Heidi Aubrey (4)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 8:38 pm
True, but it is certainly not limited to the Christian faith.

All the blood shed in the Middle East is about believing differently than Muslim. Not believing in a DIFFERENT religion, say Hinduism, but which version of Muslim you believe in.

Shiite vs. Sunni! Really!

Believing in another religion completely(Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc.) then you are considered an Infidel and immediate death. Never mind trying to convince them. It is instant death.
 

Charlie Rush (67)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 9:27 pm
Doesn't everyone know that they are just trying to keep us from going to Hell?

If I believed in god, I believe she would be as 'mad as hell', to know that believers are using religion as a means of CONTROL.
That's what all religions do and have done since the beginning of time.
_God told me to do it._
 

Winn Adams (205)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 7:04 am
These people are mentally ill.
 

Frank S. (461)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 4:32 pm
Now, now, lets not exaggerate you guys. It is nowhere near like in Sudan, where you get executed for being a Christian.
 

Frank S. (461)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 4:41 pm
Since some people on here are complaining about religious control. May I remind you guys that in this world most everyone is always trying to control someone else, in some way, form, or fashion, lol!

 

Ashley heffner (458)
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 8:54 am
Frank MANY people say no thank you. Some people take that at face value and leave the uninterested person alone. Others continue harassing.

Now, as far as at gunpoint, that's not true in the U.S. But Christianity, along with many other religions (not to just single out my own religion), has a BLOODY history. It used to be that people were forced to convert at the point of the sword or die. Thankfully, at least in the U.S. we've moved past that point.

I'll grant you that it is very rare in the U.S. for someone to be killed for their religious beliefs or lack of, but it can get damned annoying, when some people (not every religious person), have to interject their religion into every public sphere possible.

I would disagree about the greatest amount of freedom in the world. It depends who you are. It certainly isn't true if you are gay for example. Though we have more freedom than many other countries. And, religious people not only get to practice their religion however they see fit, they get SPECIAL treatment. For example, churches don't pay taxes. Some religious holidays are federal holidays. The list goes on and on.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 10:18 am
Frank I don't think anyone said that it was as bad as Sudan. :P

But that's like saying, "Oh someone punched me in the face. Well at least they didn't murder me!"

You still aren't happy about getting punched the face. Yes, I know the example was extreme. But some people do get killed because of their religious beliefs.
 

Frank S. (461)
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 1:02 pm
Ashley, we live in the United States of America, where we enjoy the greatest amount of freedom in the world. All we have to do here when someone is proselytizing to us is to say, No thank you! Or Im not interested. But the way some posters on here write, you would think that all Christians are literally forcing people to change at gunpoint and embrace Christianity, which is simply not true.
 

Angelika Kempter (92)
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 1:44 pm
noted
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 6:01 pm
Okay... sorry about Frank. Care2 for some reason moved my response to your post, above yours.

Let's say that you don't like strawberry ice cream. But on every corner there is a strawberry ice cream shop. You have strangers coming to your house, trying to convince you to eat strawberry ice cream. Strawberry ice cream even has national holidays about it. The people who adore strawberry ice cream exert major political influence over your government. Furthermore, they pass various legislation that favors strawberry ice cream over other flavors. And everyday, you have people trying to convince you to eat strawberry ice cream.

You politely tell them you aren't interested. So that person goes away. Then another person will ask/tell you about strawberry ice cream the next day. NOTE none of these strawberry ice cream lovers are violent. They aren't holding a gun to your head.

Strawberry ice cream being a metaphor for religion. It could be any religion. In the U.S., it just happens to be Christianity.

Wouldn't you get annoyed at some point?
 

Frank S. (461)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 8:26 am
I have never had that problem Ashley. Once in a while I will run into someone who wants to indoctrinate me into their religious belief system. However, I quickly set them straight and go on my way. Here in the U.S.A., there is no such thing as religious coercion unless one is involved in some kind of cult, and allows themselves to be manipulated. One last thought Ashley; I deliberately choose not have anything to do with religious right-wing conservatives, as their belief system is not in accord with mine, so why should I waste my time on them?
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 8:45 am
Then you are lucky. A lot of people feel that way but live in areas in the United States, where they have plenty of very convert happy? I just made that phrase up. It seems to work though.

I"m not saying that they FORCE someone to convert. I"m saying that some people find it highly annoying to always have people trying to convert them.

For instance, consider this. I think it was Pew that did the poll. I'll have to look it up. But 53% of Americans would be LESS likely to vote for someone if they were an Atheists. People depending on where they live, might get a lot of "brownie points" if they are religious or at least pretend to be. This is especially true for politicians.

Well nice talking to you. You did say that was your last thought. So you might or might not read this.
 

Frank S. (461)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 4:05 pm
Perhaps its just the demographics of where you live Ashley. I live in a majority Hispanic big city, which is likely much more liberal, than a mainstream Middle America small town.
Bradford county PA
White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 97.4%
San Antonio (city)
Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2010 (b) 63.2%

 

Ashley heffner (458)
Friday July 4, 2014, 8:26 am
Lol I don't know whether to be flattered or kinda creeped out that you actually looked up the demographics. I"m going to go with flattered.

I mostly keep to myself in this town. But I know many places were my online friends are always preached at. For example, a friend of mine went to a park with their wife. There were what I call street preachers, blaring some loud speakers so park goerse would have to at least hear them in the background or leave.

I'm not saying that this is every town or even the majority. But in some places, if you aren't religious or at least don't pretend to be, you can become something of a pariah.
 

Frank S. (461)
Friday July 4, 2014, 4:20 pm
Ashley, I think religious people can be exasperating at times, but I dont really mind them, or other like minded people to engage me, as I like to debate religion and philosophy and enjoy listening to the different points of view. But I still see no major problem avoiding Christian conservatives if that is what one wishes to do. However, I would rather a religious person bother me, than a bad person with evil intent. I grew up in the ghetto/barrio where you have to be on alert all of the time, and not from people as soft as religious minded conservative people. Also, if your friends don't like to be preached at, why do they keep going back to those online places? As for the park example, what if it was a death metal group playing loud music would it bother you? I think It is called freedom of speech, lol! To put this issue to rest, we here in America can choose what it is that we want to engage our attention, and we can choose not to listen to conservative right-wingers and their hypocritical religious speech or not, simple as that. Its been nice chatting, but no I better get back to my writing, too many projects I need to finish, take good care.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 2:22 pm
A religious person and a bad person with evil intent are not mutually exclusive :P.

Sorry you had to grow up someplace you didn't feel safe.

As far as I know, this was the first time that said street preachers were there (or at least the first time, that my friend was there when they were.). A group blaring music and street preachers are equally annoying to me. But at least the group blaring music aren't trying to get people to make any major life altering conversation. (At least none that I would see at face value.)

See you around. Good luck on your writing.
 
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