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Israel Provoked This War

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Israel's assault on Gaza, as pointed out by analyst Nathan Thrall in the New York Times, was not triggered by Hamas' rockets directed at Israel but by Israel's determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June.

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Carrie B (306)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 8:51 am
Thank you Richard S. for the link to this article.

Richard S (209)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 10:02 am
Important article by Henry Siegman, former National Director of the American Jewish Congress. He is presently president of the U.S./Middle East Project. He served as senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and non-resident research professor at the School of Oriental and African Studies of the University of London.


Lona G (80)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 12:16 pm
Thanks Richard and Carrie for this article, which is difficult to read through, because it confirms my own conclusions: Israel has in it own inimitable way provoked this war, and that still is something I rather would not have had confirmed. It didn't provoke it by shooting rockets into Gaza or bombing it or sending soldiers in since 2009, but by squeezing the lifeblood out of it, turning it in a hell to live and making it impossible for Hamas not to do something. And in my opinion in full knowledge that Hamas would strike with rockets and guerilla attacks through tunnels, as they have done before.

The government of Israel has also left no doubts about never agreeing to a two state solution. "[Netanyahu] has made it explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank." Instead the settlers are given free reign there and the Palestinians are driven from the land and towns.

I still hope that Netanyahu will come to see that he has miscalculated this time and that many people in many countries in Europe and in the US are starting to see what is happening. The tide is turning. Not that people are turning pro-Hamas and anti-Israel, but they want the killing of civilian men, women and children in Gaza stopped and they want the Palestinians to be able to live a better life than they are doing now in this huge open-air prison.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 4:13 pm
Israel a great county but it put us out as the bad guy.

Margaret G (243)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 4:37 pm
I am delighted that Henry Siegman, former national director of the American Jewish Congress, wrote this article. Perhaps this is an important fissure in the AIPAC enforced uniformity of opinion of United States Jews about Israel.

enforced uniformity of United States Jewish opinion..

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Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 27, 2014, 5:48 pm
Thanks, Carrie. I like the conclusion of the article: "where are Israel's borders?"

Alexa R (319)
Monday July 28, 2014, 12:05 am
Yeshoron Tzoran is the officer who stopped the Arab terrorist near Beitar Ilit who was driving a massive car bomb to his target.

Tzoran’s quick thinking and action saved hundreds of lives.

This is what happens on a daily basis in Israel .. And this is what you haters of Israel/Israelis and haters of Zionists call 'provoking' this war?!

I rest my case ..

Stan B (123)
Monday July 28, 2014, 2:58 am
Your usual misinformation, Carrie. Hamas started this war by kidnapping and slaughtering three Israeli schoolboys.
I'm amazed you can sleep at night.

Carrie B (306)
Monday July 28, 2014, 3:09 am
Even if that were true Stan ~ which it isn't ~ how do the lives of three Israelis justify the slaughter of over 1000 Palestinians and the complete destruction of Gaza? Do you believe Israeli and it's people are somehow more valuable than Palestine and it's people? I think that is called bigotry.

Sandra Penna (135)
Monday July 28, 2014, 5:45 am

Sandra Penna (135)
Monday July 28, 2014, 5:46 am
Please read:

Sandra Penna (135)
Monday July 28, 2014, 5:48 am

Sandra Penna (135)
Monday July 28, 2014, 5:49 am
Please join facebook group: "Jewish Voice for Peace". Thank you.

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 6:13 am
The fact that there have been 15,234 seperate rocket attacks on Israeli towns, councils, and kibbutzes certainly wouldn't justify retaliation. (Over years and years prior to hamas attack that forced retaliation)
WHY would Hamas bomb farms, though? That's where Israelis grow the food they supply to Gaza. Doesn't really matter anyway because Israel had to close the border because of terrorist infiltrators. Poor Palestinians would have had to eat it raw because Hamas shot down the power lines Israel used to deliver power to Gaza.
It really is beautiful to see how even in the midst of a war they didn't provoke Hamas's first priority is the well-being of the people!! And how they put civilians out of harm's way in the tunnels. And ordered civilians not to evacuate because the warnings were just more scumdog Jew lies.
Carrie, I know Hamas is honorable and so I have an idea that might help ease tensions. I'll send you a map of Israeli military targets to pass along; if the need continues to crush the serpent they accomplish a lot more by hurting Bibi-n-da-Boys. I was under the impression that deliberately targeting civilians was very naughty, but maybe they changed the rules for Hamas?
It happens a lot you know. Hijack a passenger plane and hold the passengers hostage for weeks ~ what happens? Nothing. What? Who hijacked a plane? Hezbollah? That's okay, no problem, we gave them a pass.
Bomb an international airport in broad daylight endangering Israeli and international civilians. What? When? It wasn't on the news. Damn, I don't want my planes in there, it'll take all day to reschedule everything. Damn Jew scumdogs! Oh, no...STAN...did any of our planes get hurt??

Sandra Penna (135)
Monday July 28, 2014, 6:36 am
a letter from a medical doctor in Gaza:

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 6:46 am
I'm amazed Carrie, and all of her fellow Israel haters, can sleep at night too Stan. They are a disgrace to the human race. Perhaps Carrie should change her name to Adolf.

Sam H (410)
Monday July 28, 2014, 7:57 am

This Is Why AIPAC is Pure Evil!


Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 7:58 am
Carrie, you will never be able to understand events in the Middle East because you've closed your mind and become the American spokeswoman for the reasons, benefits, joys and necessities of Arab terrorism. I mean who doesn't enjoy watching one of their national treasures go up in flames?
I know al-Jazeera told you that Israel is torturing, killing, oppressing, whatever. Why? Jews never have and never will oppress their own. Seriously? Like we don't get enough already? You'd have to check a timeline but the border closings and internments started very shortly after certain peoples insinuated themselves into the population and started aggressions.
Good morning, sir! I see you play the violin. I didn't know violins were so heavy ~ you can barely carry that case. And you brought snacks ~ lots and lots of snacks ~ your pockets are almost splitting. Have a good day!

If the whole issue is the Palestinians, have your people call Aby's people. He has plenty of room in his chunk of Palestine. I have no idea why the highly coveted, highly contested, highly debated, land of Palestine is home to the Hashemite Arab Kingdom of Jordan, but I know a few things ~ Aby will never, ever give up one inch of Jordan and old Aby does not fancy Jews.

It's not about the Palestinians. Look at a map. Gaza is a staging zone for one and only one purpose ~ a firing range. It's all for the people. That's why they made no preparations for the people. Every action they've taken maximizes casualties and horror ~ the pictures ~ I can't no..I can't stop..looking.
They're good at propaganda, but they need to learn photoshop and editing. There was a really bad picture of a bunch of mangled and bloody children (if they were real may they rest in peace forever). It was chilling...and even more so when a couple days later those same children were killed again in a diifferent neighborhood.


Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 7:59 am
I asked this once before....Israel is indiscriminately and randomly carpeting bombing all of Gaza, right? Hamas released a document listing their casualties.....over 80% were males age 17-38. Given the demographics, the odds are astronomical, it's a mathematical impossibility. Bibi's Boys are good, incredibly good, but...

*Isaiah 41:11-12 ESV Behold, all who are incensed against you shall be put to shame and confounded; those who strive against you shall be as nothing and shall perish. You shall seek those who contend with you, but you shall not find them; those who war against you shall be as nothing at all.*
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Joel 3:1-3 ESV / 43 helpful votes

“For behold, in those days and at that time, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land, and have cast lots for my people, and have traded a boy for a prostitute, and have sold a girl for wine and have drunk it.*

Just Mumbo Jumbo!!

*God Is Protecting Israel Complains Hamas Terrorists *

Marilyn K (50)
Monday July 28, 2014, 8:18 am
Barbara - Who is building Tunnels to bring weapons of mass destruction to destroy Israel? Hamas! Who is using their own people as shields? Hamas! Who will not stop throwing rockets indiscriminately into Israel regardless of where they might land or kill? Hamas! Who will not negotiate and allow Israel to exist? Hamas! Would you want them for your neighbors?

Evelyn B (62)
Monday July 28, 2014, 9:35 am
It isn't Hamas refusing to talk to Israel, but Israel won't talk to Hamas, Marilyn.
And the tunnels are mainly a desperate attempt to bring in goods (medicines, foor, building materials) that Israel is preventing from reaching Gaza (under the excuse that they MIGHT be used for arms ...

Weapons of Mass Destruction ????? where have you come across these? .... They didn't even find any in Iraq!
Wake up ....

Human shields? When you have 1.7 million people squeezed in an area as small as Gaza, and attitudes of those of IDF, human shields are meaningless - which doesn't stop people from volunteering to go up on rooftops in the hope that a pilot will hesitate before destroying a home ... but they know the IDF don't place much value on Palestinian lives.

Barbara, your stats are a bit out - you'd better verify your sources. If it is actually Hamas, I'd like to check and compare with other counts, because these don't match government data (verified where possible by a human rights NGO). What is the link?

Strangely - but typically - accusations of closed minds come directed towards those who dare criticise Israel. I wonder if some have been sitting, cheering, as the rockets pour down on Gaza ....

Incredible numbers attributed to Hamas rockets - not that they matter, anyway, because they are pitifully ipoor quality beside those of the Israeli forces (thanks to US support for Israeli refinement ... and testing in the field), and Israel has the best aerial defence system. I note you opt to ignore the equivant in numbers of missiles shot over Gaza (almost of all hit targets, although not necessarily valid targets). It might rather undermine the shock value if a comparison, over the same time frame, were given .... and even more so if one only included those that landed .....

I wonder how many Palestinians (especially in Palestine) any of those damning all critics of Israel have actually met, and talked to to understand a fuller picture - and to understand those who really want to see a possibility of construction of peace in the area ... but that requires some open mindedness, and some questioning of the "fear" tools being used.

Alexa R (319)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:01 am
Evelyn, and have you spoken to any of the Israrli victims? Your bias is revolting beyond words ..

Moshe Cohen

At least four, possibly five, people were killed when a mortar shell scored a direct hit on a home in the Eshkol region Monday afternoon. Several injuries have also been reported. The injured were taken to hospitals in Beersheva and Ashkelon, Israel Radio said. At least three were in serious condition.
Israel Radio said that five other people had been injured in a separate incident in the area. Five people were injured in that incident, the report said, without adding any details.

The house was hit in a major round of rocket firing Monday afternoon, as the last vestiges of what was supposed to be a 24-hour truce evaporated. By 6 PM, Hamas had fired nearly two dozen rockets at Israel, most of them in the late afternoon. Iron Dome missiles shot down two rockets, one over Ashkelon and one over Sderot.

Alexa R (319)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:02 am
Oops should read Israeli ..

Evelyn B (62)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:12 am
Just a note that readers may not have registered:

The author of this article is of German Jewish origin, was Executive Director of the American Jewish Congress (1978–1994). Needless to say, he is not popular with right wing & zionist extremist supporters

Evelyn B (62)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:15 am
For those who didn't even read the article:

There seems to be near-universal agreement in the United States with President Barack Obama’s observation that Israel, like every other country, has the right and obligation to defend its citizens from threats directed at them from beyond its borders.

But this anodyne statement does not begin to address the political and moral issues raised by Israel’s bombings and land invasion of Gaza: who violated the cease-fire agreement that was in place since November 2012 and whether Israel’s civilian population could have been protected by nonviolent means that would not have placed Gaza’s civilian population at risk. As of this writing, the number killed by the Israel Defense Forces has surpassed 600, the overwhelming majority of whom are noncombatants.

Israel’s assault on Gaza, as pointed out by analyst Nathan Thrall in the New York Times, was not triggered by Hamas’ rockets directed at Israel but by Israel’s determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June, even though that government was committed to honoring all of the conditions imposed by the international community for recognition of its legitimacy.

The notion that it was Israel, not Hamas, that violated a cease-fire agreement will undoubtedly offend a wide swath of Israel supporters. To point out that it is not the first time Israel has done so will offend them even more deeply. But it was Shmuel Zakai, a retired brigadier general and former commander of the IDF’s Gaza Division, and not “leftist” critics, who said about the Israel Gaza war of 2009 that during the six-month period of a truce then in place, Israel made a central error “by failing to take advantage of the calm to improve, rather than markedly worsen, the economic plight of the Palestinians in the [Gaza] Strip. … You cannot just land blows, leave the Palestinians in Gaza in the economic distress they are in and expect Hamas just to sit around and do nothing.”

This is true of the latest cease-fire as well. According to Thrall, Hamas is now seeking through violence what it should have obtained through a peaceful handover of responsibilities. “Israel is pursuing a return to the status quo ante, when Gaza had electricity for barely eight hours a day, water was undrinkable, sewage was dumped in the sea, fuel shortages caused sanitation plants to shut down and waste sometimes floated in the streets.” It is not only Hamas supporters, but many Gazans, perhaps a majority, who believe it is worth paying a heavy price to change a disastrous status quo.

The answer to the second question — whether a less lethal course was not available to protect Israel’s civilian population — is (unintentionally?) implicit in the formulation of President Barack Obama’s defense of Israel’s actions: namely, the right and obligation of all governments to protect their civilian populations from assaults from across their borders.

But where, exactly, are Israel’s borders?

Henry Siegman is president of the U.S./Middle East Project. He served as senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and non-resident research professor at the School of Oriental and African Studies of the University of London, and is a former national director of the American Jewish Congress.

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Evelyn B (62)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:23 am
Alexa - you prove my point -

But yes, not from the latest conflict but from previous, and including families who've lost children from suicide bombings

Have YOU talked with people who have watched armed strangers come in, destroy their trees, aggress them (under the watchful eye of IDF - who only intervene if Palestinians become aggressive? Have you listened to people whose families have lost members in Gaza? Did you even listen to the mother of one of the kidnapped/ murdered teenagers who spoke out against retirbution action?

Any civilian death is too many on either side And the disproportionate numbers are not justifiable

Margaret G (243)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:15 am
Truth is the first casualty of war.

What I do know is that IF Netanyahu is telling the truth when he says that the Palestinians should never have a sovereign state, then it is his administration that is standing in the way of what I regard as good two state solution.

fly bird (26)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:23 am
Alexa, have you spoken to any of the Palestinian victims .. your bias is transparent and abhorrent.

Israel is deliberately targeting and murdering innocent, defenseless children and civilians, in effect using them as 'human shields'! It has indiscriminately bombed homes, villages, mosques, schools, hospitals, rehabilitation hospitals,refugee centers, municipal facilities, beaches .... the list is endless.

Israel is using Palestinian children and families as targets as it continues with i's slash and burn policy, which it started to gain control of the border areas, Gaza land and gas reserves, it has been seeking to control for a LONG time... disrupt life in Gaza, even more, try to destroy the newly formed Unity Government, it fears, and invade Gaza -- Israel has always used ANY pretext for it's crimes, any fabrication, any lie, and always expects the world to swallow it's genocidal, maniacal, self obsessed spins.

No more.

Israeli government atrocities will not be hidden, regardless of it's vile, disgusting tactics, or apologist, cowardly comments put out there, or here.

The world is watching!
This is ethnic cleansing. These are crimes against humanity. We will not be cowed by prejudice and hate. Silence is the voice of complicity!
Lest we forget ........

Pulitzer prize winning journalist Chris Hedges points out that Israel has broken nearly a hundred UN Security Council resolutions regarding Gaza alone.

Here is a brief sampling of UN Security Council resolutions against Israel:
◾Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (March 29, 1955) ‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid
◾Resolution 111: The Palestine Question (January 19, 1956) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
◾Resolution 127: The Palestine Question (January 22, 1958) ” … ‘recommends’ Israel suspends its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”.
◾Resolution 162: The Palestine Question (April 11, 1961) ” … ‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”
◾Resolution 171: The Palestine Question (April 9, 1962) ” … determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”
◾Resolution 228: The Palestine Question (November 25, 1966) ” … ‘censures’ Israel for its attack onSamu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
◾Resolution 237: Six Day War (June 14, 1967) ” … ‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”. and called on Israel to ensure the safety and welfare of inhabitants of areas where fighting had taken place
◾Resolution 248: (March 24, 1968) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
◾Resolution 256: (August 16, 1968) ” … ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”
◾Resolution 258: (September 18, 1968) … expressed ‘concern’ with the welfare of the inhabitants of the Israeli-occupied territories, and requested a special representative to be sent to report on the implementation of Resolution 237, and that Israel cooperate
◾Resolution 259: (September 27, 1968) ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
◾Resolution 262: (December 31, 1968) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport“
◾Resolution 265: (April 1, 1969) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on Salt“
◾Resolution 270: (August 26, 1969) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon”
◾Resolution 279: (May 12, 1970) “Demands the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory”
◾Resolution 280: (May 19, 1970) ” … ‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”
◾Resolution 285: (September 5, 1970) ” … ‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon”
◾Resolution 298: (September 25, 1971) ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
◾Resolution 316: (June 26, 1972) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”
◾Resolution 317: (July 21, 1972) ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”
◾Resolution 332: (April 21, 1973) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”
◾Resolution 337: (August 15, 1973) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and for the forcible diversion and seizure of a Lebanese airliner from Lebanon’s air space”
◾Resolution 347: (April 24, 1974)” … ‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon”
◾Resolution 444: (January 19, 1979) ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
◾Resolution 446 (March 22, 1979): ‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
◾Resolution 450: (June 14, 1979) ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon”.
◾Resolution 452: (July 20, 1979) … ‘calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
◾Resolution 465: (March 1, 1980) ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program”
◾Resolution 467: (April 24, 1980) ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon”
◾Resolution 468: (May 8, 1980) ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
◾Resolution 469: (May 20, 1980) ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”
◾Resolution 471: (June 5, 1980) ” … ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
◾Resolution 478 (August 20, 1980): ‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalemin its ‘Basic Law’
◾Resolution 487: (June 19, 1981) ” … ‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
◾Resolution 497 (December 17, 1981), decides that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith
◾Resolution 501: (February 25, 1982) ” … ‘calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”.
◾Resolution 515: (July 29, 1982) ” … ‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
◾Resolution 516 (August 1, 1982) demanded an immediate cessation of military activities in Lebanon, noting violations of the cease-fire in Beirut
◾Resolution 517: (August 4, 1982) ” … ‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon”.
◾Resolution 520: (September 17, 1982) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut”.
◾Resolution 573: (October 4, 1985) ” … ‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
◾Resolution 592: (December 8, 1986) ” … ‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students atBirzeit University by Israeli troops”
◾Resolution 605: (December 22, 1987) ” … ‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
◾Resolution 607: (January 5, 1988) ” … ‘calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
◾Resolution 608: (January 14, 1988) ” … ‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
◾Resolution 611: (April 25, 1988) “… condemned Israel’s assassination of Khalil al-Wazir as a ‘flagrant violation of the Charter
◾Resolution 636: (July 16, 989) ” … ‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
◾Resolution 641 (August 30, 1989): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
◾Resolution 672 (October 12, 1990): ” … ‘condemns’ Israel for “violence against Palestinians” at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
◾Resolution 673 (October 24, 1990): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
◾Resolution 681 (December 20, 1990): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
◾Resolution 694 (May 24, 1991): ” … ‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
◾Resolution 726 (January 6. 1992): ” … ‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
◾Resolution 799 (December 18 , 1992): “. . . ‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return
◾Resolution 904 (March 18, 1994): Cave of the Patriarchs massacre
◾Resolution 1322 (October 7, 2000) deplored Ariel Sharon‘s visit to the Temple Mount and the violence that followed
◾Resolution 1435 (September 24, 2002) demanded an end to Israeli measures in and aroundRamallah, and an Israeli withdrawal to positions held before September 2000
◾Resolution 1544 (May 19, 2004) “…‘calls on’ Israel to respect its obligations under international humanitarian law, and insists, in particular, on its obligation not to undertake demolition of homes contrary to that law”
◾Resolution 1860 (January 8, 2009) “…‘calls for’ an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; ‘calls for‘ the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment”

fly bird (26)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:32 am
Sandra, ty for the links:

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:55 am
I hope you're not staying up late scrolling through the cloud for vicious hate crap. Simplify. *I hate Jews. I hate Israel.* You don't have to elaborate. Your fellow haters hate anyway and intelligent, concerned people will weigh both sides of the story and come to informed conclusions.
There's no point in what you're doing ~ okay maybe that adrenaline/endorphin rush when you come across a particularly venomous or graphic article ~ but spewing racial/religious hate on Care2 ~ the Caring Community ~of all places isn't accomplishing anything and it will never in a million lifetimes accomplish what you're gunning for.
It will end the way it's meant to end.

fly bird (26)

Carrie B (306)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:58 am
I am amazed that by showing compassion for Palestine and the innocent victims in Gaza I am called an Israel hater. I don't hate Israel or Israelis ~ I do however hate their accepted practice of attacking and murdering Palestinians. Those of you calling me names should take a good look in the mirror because your own hatred of those not agreeing with Israel's systematic genocide of the Palestinian people is showing. Not to mention your feelings of hatred toward Palestine.

Rahman Qureshi (27)
Monday July 28, 2014, 11:59 am
Those resolutions against Israel mean nothing considering that the UN caves to the pressure of the largest voting block in the UN, the OIC. What is the OIC? ALL 57 Muslim territories. NO WONDER all of the anti-Israel resolutions because they are being issued by Jew-hating Muslim countries!

To show how biased the UN is against Israel and for Muslim nations, with all of the terrorism Muslims commit and all of the inhumane treatment of females and of non-Muslims in general in Muslim lands, there are almost NO resolutions against Muslim countries! Anyone who can't see the pro-Islam / anti-Israel bias is willfully blind.

Jew-hatred in the Muslim world goes back 1400 years to the beginning of Islam. That is when the war against Jews started, and Muhammad started it by terrorizing the Jews, stealing their money, making sex slaves of the females and murdering the men. Inhumane treatment of Jews, and of all non-Muslims, is MANDATED in Islamic doctrine. Muhammad in his Qur'an calls Jews apes and pigs. THIS is why "Palestinians" hate Jews and for no other reason.

Has anyone read the Hamas Charter? They exist for the purpose of destroying Israel. Why? That genocidal hatred of Jews / Israel is based on Islamic doctrine, which Hamas has so openly provided in their Charter for all to see. But the media and people like Jess B.,, Evelyn B., and all the other anti-Semites who exposed themselves on this thread have NO DESIRE to know that. They are too busy demonizing Israel to bother with the inconvenient truth.

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 12:07 pm
Really? Did Bibi's little rascals get right up to the border and yell, *Neener, neener, Towelheads*??

How can I be so crass and uncaring, making light of all the death an......
Because I'm not talking about the war. If I'm given stupid, I give stupid back

Monday July 28, 2014, 12:26 pm
Does is matter who started the war, what really matters is which side is big enough to step up and end it.
Thanks Carrie

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 1:14 pm
It will end the way it was meant to end and not because either side steps up.

Angelika R (143)
Monday July 28, 2014, 1:34 pm
Thx, I read this Siegman article a day ago at Tikkun and it does not end with that question " but where, exactly, are Israel's borders?" Here's the rest of it, Politico just shortened it :

It is precisely Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s refusal to identify those borders that placed Israel’s population at risk. And the reason he has refused to do that is because he did not want the world to know that he had no intention of honoring the pledge he made in 2009 to reach a two-state agreement with the Palestinians. The Road Map for Middle East peace that was signed by Israel, the PLO and the United States explicitly ruled out any unilateral alterations in the pre-1967 armistice lines that served as a border between the parties. This provision was consistently and blatantly violated by successive Israeli governments with their illegal settlement project. And Netanyahu refused to recognize that border as the starting point for territorial negotiations in the terms of reference proposed by Secretary of State John Kerry.
But on July 12, as noted in The Times of Israel by its editor, David Horovitz, Netanyahu made clear that he has no interest in a genuine two-state solution. As Horovitz puts it, “the uncertainties were swept aside … And nobody will ever be able to claim in the future that [Netanyahu] didn’t tell us what he really thinks. He made it explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank.” The IDF, Netanyahu said, would remain permanently in the West Bank. During the Kerry-sponsored negotiations, he rejected out of hand the American proposal that U.S. and international forces be stationed on the Israeli-Palestinian border, which he insisted would remain permanently under the IDF’s control. Various enclaves will comprise a new Palestinian entity, which Palestinians will be free to call a state. But sovereignty, the one element that defines self-determination and statehood, will never be allowed by Israel, he said.
Why will he not allow it? Why did he undermine Kerry’s round of peace talks? Why is he inciting against the Palestinian unity government? Why does he continue to expand illegal settlements in the West Bank, and why did he use the tragic kidnapping and killing of three Israelis as a pretext to destroy what institutional political (as opposed to military) presence of Hamas remained in the West Bank?
He’s doing all of these things because, as suggested by Yitzhak Laor inHaaretz, he and his government are engaged in a frenzied effort to eliminate Palestinians as a political entity. Israel’s government is “intent on inheriting it all” by turning the Palestinian people into “a fragmented, marginalized people,” Laor writes. It is what the Israeli scholar Baruch Kimmerling described as “politicide” in a book by that name he wrote in 2006.
So exactly who is putting Israel’s population at risk? And what is Obama prepared to do about it?
I’m sure the president’s political advisers are telling him that a congressional election year is not the time to take on the Israel lobby. They are wrong, not only because it is always election time in the United States, but because successive polls have established that American Jews vote constantly and overwhelmingly Democratic for a wide variety of domestic and international reasons, but support for Netanyahu’s policies is not one of them.
And if the president wishes to convince Israelis and Palestinians that Israeli-Palestinian peace is a cause worth taking risks for, should he not be willing to take some domestic political risks as well?

Angelika R (143)
Monday July 28, 2014, 1:52 pm
My apologies! I simply overlooked the 2nd page, very sorry.

Past Member (0)
Monday July 28, 2014, 6:09 pm
Carrie, you'll never be able to understand this; maybe someday you'll open your mind and eyes. Hamas and Palestinian people are not synonymous. The people need a home and they could have had one all along. Not now, but you'll find out that it has never been Israel who oppressed the people.
Hamas is first and foremost a terrorist organization and their goal isn't to help Palestinians. Israel is like a giant festering, painful boil on their asses, but if the impossible happened and they annihilated Israel ~ well, you just better remember there's more than just Jewish infidels.
Meanwhile..Israel's reason for Hamas to hang out..poor little Palestine is just sitting there. There's no love lost in the Arab world for Palestinians, in some areas they're openly reviled like dogs. They have no resources, they don't have Israel to provide food, electricity, medical care like they used to.
They used you, they abused you, and they cut you loose. Bailed on you.
Just think, if everybody ...well, you chose your enemy.

Shirley S (187)
Monday July 28, 2014, 10:59 pm
Noted with distaste & a complete hatred of WAR in any form.

Sherri G (128)
Tuesday July 29, 2014, 1:23 am
TY Carrie Noted. It is imperative that the PLO take away control from the HAMAS to fight for the two state solution with the promised equal opportunity for the Palestinians. TY Evelyn for the link.

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 29, 2014, 2:46 am
Barbara - it seems that you can't understand that hating policies, or the behaviour of particular groups doesn't mean one hates a people - I suppose this means that you only experience hating in a completely englobing way in relation to the Middle East: policies, politicians, destructive groups AND all people of a given race, religion or ethnicity. I can only feel sorry for you, dragging so much hate around with you, so much fear. Shalom, Barbara

And you can't have talked to any people pushed out of their homes by settlers, if you honestly believe that "The people need a home and they could have had one all along" ... They did have homes, and orchards, and olive groves and fields .... which have been, and are being, grabbed, sometimes under the guise of Israeli law, sometimes without even that. e.g. Al-Kurd Family Home Take-Over (Sheikh Jarrah) Your failure to be aware of such human rights abuses (or your determination to ignore them) is the only explanation for your following statement about oppression.

Rahman - I wonder what your real name is - Thank you for the clear demonstration of the fact that the pro-Zionists don't give a d*** for international attitudes, and consider that they have the right to do what they will, in all impunity. Of course you tie it to the usual Islamophobic jargon, Muslim bashing and hatred vocabulary. Even Hamas does not make their statements against Jews, but against a State of Israel that has dispossessed the Palestinians (and a large proportion of the Gaza population are refugees who have lost their lands & homes due to Israeli actions). This is inevitably reflected in the Charter - but it is not Hamas who refuses to talk to the Israeli authorities ... the shoe is on the other foot.

Hamas has a militia arm - which carries out acts that from the Israeli perspective are "terrorism", much as the French Resistance were considered as terrorists by Nazi German leaders. Few, if any, of the voices raised in support of peace and of Palestinian rights would condone violent actions by such people. Much as, I suppose, you and your friends refusing criticism of Israel would not really condone the barabarous act of burning Khdeir alive ... or perhaps you do?

Angie - thanks for the rest of that text.

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday July 29, 2014, 2:47 am
my comment is so poor compared to all the others
I just want all this fighting to stop

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 29, 2014, 3:51 am
Rahman - your histroy has been tweeked - Islam wasn't based on hating of Jews; Mohammed had been influenced by Judaism and Christianity, but the behaviour of Jews and Christians put him off ... Over centuries, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived side by side, good neighbours ... for example in Jerusalem. Individual differences undoubtably occurred

There are assumptions that Jews, and only Jews, had rights to the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, and these rights were for all time - but this is open to question. The Jews had to leave in the past - and if they do not respect the covenant (see Hear O Israel,Are You the Israel God Intends?), many may choose to leave again, or may be forced to leave - in Barbara's words: "It will end the way it's meant to end."

I hope that it will not come to this, that tolerance and understanding will be brought to bear and some acceptable compromises arrived at that will end the oppression, allow Palestinians to live on an equal footing with all Israelis .... But for this to be possible, the "haters" will have to make some major effort.

fly bird (26)
Tuesday July 29, 2014, 7:03 am
VIDEO - Freedom for Palestine: #GazaNames Project

Darlene Buckingham (100)
Sunday August 3, 2014, 7:15 am
It is morally reprehensible to kill children no matter who you are. We have to go to the higher level of living in peace and honouring all life. Life is precious. That is the eternal truth.
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