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The ACLU-NJ wants Newark's policy to be a model for other departments across the state. Tell New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa to issue a policy affirming the right of the public to record police officers performing their duties.

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Angelika R (143)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 4:48 pm
...and not only their duties but abuse as well! Should be in other states as well and not just in other departments of NJ!

Diane O (194)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 4:57 pm
I don't have a problem with law enforcement officers being on camera while arresting someone for breaking the law. I believe this protects policemen and gives them a credible moment in court. What I have a problem with is that the law, in our country, is on the side of the rapists, murderers, etc. The law in our country wants to bring terrorists into our courts to .... get this....give them a fair trial at the expense of the taxpayers in that state which can go into the billions to give them a "fair" trial. Where was the fairness in 3,000 Americans being murdered in New York City on 9/11?

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 5:05 pm

Absolutely we should bring those in Gitmo to court. I guess it is no surprise that you have no faith in our justice system.

Thank you for this Nancy and I wish I could sign but it is for New Jersey residents only.

Diane O (194)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 5:08 pm
No, Kit, the terrorists are not US citizens and they didn't commit crimes in American law. They are enemy combatants and a military trial in GITMO is the only recourse. Sometimes your responses really need legs.

Diane O (194)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 5:12 pm
I thought you were C2NN's guru with all the information. Your response to bringing enemy combatants to trial in US cities would cost the taxpayers billions of dollars. And with great lawyers, paid for by the taxpayers......they could walk on a technicality. Would that make you happy knowing they were involved in murdering 3,000 innocent Americans in New York on 9/11? And the taxpayers paid for them to "walk" away from their crimes? Is this the way liberals think? I'm trying to understand the hard drive in liberal thinking.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 6:07 pm
First you make a comment in Kits direction ..after you brought terrorist into the discussion..." The law in our country wants to bring terrorists into our courts " then you looked ta say.....well better late then never I say
:-) but don't turn what kit said in response to a comment of yours into something neg....I think perhaps it is your reponses that really need legs...and some sense of recall as to moments ago :-)..if not longer back.

There were taxi drivers who had no connection to terrorist groups that were detained for years at Gitmo Diane O...innocent people. Not all that found themselves there were terrorist and that is why they all deserve a least by Amerivan standards of democracy they should.

Your thinking as to cost kind of goes with what I've noticed yours to be when it comes to pulling the plug on cost less than to keep her alive and possibly even cured of an illness. I wonder how you'd feel if it were you.....innocent .....but being held indefinately all the same. That being said..if it were you in this case I'd have to honestly say...keep her there, it cost to much to bring her back to the U.S. for a trial.:-)

As for your concern about those guilty of 9/11 and the lives they took, how about the half million lives Bush and Cheney took for corporate profits ? Hell , they not only walked away..but very very very rich in the process. Is that what rightwingers think is ok ? I've tried hard for a decade now to understand rightwings thinking and all I can come up with about the fascist mindset and it might be clearer as to how they think currently.

Personally all I think your are trying hard to do is change the topic of the thread, which is fine in my thinking, as it will eventually return as related topics do take comments all over the map..and in most cases rightfully so I think.... however ...with a little effort the main one returns to also be discussed.

That being said...

I don't think that anyone should be above the law and the law should not attempt to make law enforcers themselves above/beyond reproach.. Pictures/video's are usefull in court for both law enforement and or reg. citizens. To limit who can be filmed when laws are being broken or arrest made is total inanitea as well as AntiAmerican in my opinion. We must never let them ban filming of public servants no matter what the circumstances are...At least not in American.

Esther Z (94)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 7:02 pm
Noted. Only for New Jersey residents.

Judy C (97)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 7:03 pm
Not from NJ. Couldn't sign.

Krystal R (120)
Sunday December 2, 2012, 7:51 pm
NJ only ={ noted :)

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday December 3, 2012, 7:02 pm

Jim P (3257)
Monday December 3, 2012, 8:51 pm
Remember Rodney King...

Rodney passed away this pass year.

Let us all stay on topic.

Ty, Nancy.

Jim P (3257)
Monday December 3, 2012, 8:54 pm
Whoops, spelling.

Meant to say Rodney passed away this year in 2012.

2013 is coming up awfully fast. lol...

Ty, Nancy.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Monday December 3, 2012, 9:07 pm

This is really good, Nancy!..I will forward to those whom can sign!

Susanne R (235)
Monday December 3, 2012, 10:04 pm
Diane: You said, "The law in our country wants to bring terrorists into our courts to .... get this....give them a fair trial at the expense of the taxpayers in that state which can go into the billions to give them a "fair" trial. Where was the fairness in 3,000 Americans being murdered in New York City on 9/11?"

Before his re-election, you criticized President Obama on many occasions (your comments can still be found in various discussion threads) for not following through with his promise to shut down Gitmo, and now you're saying that Gitmo is the only recourse? If you truly believe that, why did you repeatedly condemn the President for not shutting Gitmo down? Please note that both President Bush and John McCain, for whom you have expressed support and admiration, favored shutting Gitmo down as well. John McCain even had a plan to move the detainees to Fort Leavenworth in Kansas. This is very confusing. Did you support the closing of Gitmo under Bush? Would you have supported it if McCain had won the election? Or was your previously-expressed disgust with the fact that President Obama had not shut down that facility simply another reason to criticize our President?

Sorry, Nancy. I couldn't sign because I am not a NJ resident.

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 6:42 am
This alert does not apply to your state. This alert only applies to the following states: NJ.
Sorry, won't let me sign. Noted.

Sara Williams (8)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 7:32 am
This would be a great idea. It would help prevent a lot of misconduct and abuse that sometimes occurs. Noted.

Sheryl G (360)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 7:33 am
Nicely done Susanne....Not sure why Gitmo had to be brought into this thread but is a tactic to throw convesation off topic by some.

There are camera's all over the place recording peoples actions, in stores and outside in parking lots, and at traffic lights. The lists are endless where camera's are set up to record our actions. That someone would film an arrest or an interaction between two people be it police or otherwise in this day and age of cameras everywhere should be of no surprise anymore. If the police are doing nothing wrong, what do they have to worry about?

One police officer was filmed in a good deed the other day placing boots on a homeless mans feet. I think filming adds protection to both parties as it has happened too many times that things can and do get out of hand. There so be no one sided rules here, when we can't film the police we are at the mercy that all will perform their duty in a perfect way, and we know that doesn't happen, to think otherwise is to live in fantasy land. Indeed, let us all take heed of the Rodney Kings and what happened there.


Tamara Hayes (185)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 8:25 am
To Diane....Oh never mind, your not worth it. Any way, noted Nancy although I cannot sign as I do not live in NJ. I believe that being able to film police officers doing their duty or doing something wrong is sometimes the only way to get the truth out. Far too often we read stories or hear about them on the news where a police officer has over stepped the boundaries but it becomes a he said/she said situation. Having a filmed account of what really happened can settle the dispute without costing the public thousands of dollars in trials and those officers who abuse their positions can be watched more closely to avoid future incidents or if the case is severe, they will lose their jobs and perhaps get help if that is what needs to happen or they can serve time as the case may warrant.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 12:30 pm
"Where was the fairness in 3,000 Americans being murdered in New York City on 9/11? "

An act carried out by our elected presiden, gw bushand his CIA et al.

Diane buys the fox account. Not me. I've seen enough evidence to convict.

Gloria p (304)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 12:53 pm

M B (62)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 1:22 pm
People should be able to film when the police is in action. I guess Diane O. is pro death penalty. Her comments are sick.

Sergio Padilla (65)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 1:27 pm
For US only, sorry

Roseann d (178)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 1:31 pm
Diane O. If BushCo would have paid attention to the correct Intelligence,(rather than the discredited Intelligence on WMDs via Joe Plame), they had a year in advance that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent, those 3,000 deaths on 9-11 and the 4,000 soldier deaths in Iraq could have been avoided. Bush only chose to believe the "intelligence" that fit their agenda.

Lisa N (207)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 1:34 pm
This alert does not apply to your state.

Kathleen R (138)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 3:15 pm

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 5:38 pm
Noted, thanks !

Sandra M Z (114)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:36 pm
This alert only applies to the following states: NJ.

Noted, Thank you Nancy.

Fran F (118)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:59 pm
Noted, but "this action does not apply to your state."

Charlene Rush (79)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 8:43 pm

What do we want, here?
Do we want a police state, a fascist country ruled, solely, by the politicians and legal authorities?
OR (This is a big OR.), do we want a nation, where the citizens have a say in their government?
Really, this is not an arduous choice.

Unions were created to balance narcissistic, deceitful business owners, with worker's rights.
(Let's face it ~ both sides have abused this situation.)
Even the police department has union representation.
The old saying, 'If you have nothing to hide.......', obviously, applies.

Charlene Rush (79)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 9:18 pm
No Diane O., YOU are incorrect.

There are U.S. citizens who are terrorists, aplenty.
WE ARE FIGHTING AN IDEOOGY, not a religion or a country.
Islam is considered the second largest relilgion in the world, behind Christian. Most Muslims are not terrorists, as most Christians don't burn non-believers at the stake.

Everyone in this world, deserves a 'fair trial', open to the public. Gitmo should not only be closed, it should never have existed in the first place. It now, has the reputation of being the prison, where Americans showed their animalistic tendencies and lack of the necessary qualifications to be a world leader.

I will side every time, with jurist William Blackstone, who said, 'It's better that 10 guilty men go free, than one innocent man is wrongfully convicted'.
The fact is, we don't know how many men may have been innocent at Gitmo and possibly suffered 'water-boarding', which is torture, in the event you listened to the lies of Sean Hannity.
By the way, what ever happened to the pledge by Mr. Hannity, to consent to being water-boarded, in order to prove it wasn't torture. I guess someone who knows better, talked him out of it.
Frankly, I happened to be watching him the night he agreed to said act.

Ellen m (215)
Monday December 10, 2012, 11:44 pm
Better our liberal hard drives then your damaged floppy disk...
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