Thursday September 18, 2008, 4:13 am
Signed,thanks Lyn.
8,302 have signed the petition. Help us get to 10,000

Thursday September 18, 2008, 5:02 am
"We have just a few short days before the Garnaut Report will be finalised." - 8,674 signatures to date.
Thank you Jocelyn for finding and posting this.

Thursday September 18, 2008, 5:02 am
Signed and noted with thanks Lyn.

Thursday September 18, 2008, 5:08 am
Thank you Lyn signed and noted!

Thursday September 18, 2008, 6:53 am
Thanks my friend Lyn, noted & signed..it looks like about 9,000 or so signatures now, which is great. Noted too.

Blessings,
FreeSpiritRunning...

Thursday September 18, 2008, 8:21 am
all signed
thank you, Lyn

Thursday September 18, 2008, 10:03 am
signed and noted

Thursday September 18, 2008, 10:07 am
Signed and noted, thanks Sis

Thursday September 18, 2008, 10:13 am
The "climate crisis" is probably going to be 30 years of cooling.
Is This The Beginning of Global Cooling?

Many scary stories have been written about the dangers of catastrophic global warming, allegedly due to increased atmospheric concentrations of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) from the combustion of fossil fuels. But is the world really catastrophically warming? NO. And is the warming primarily caused by humans? NO.

Since just January 2007, the world has cooled so much that ALL the global warming over the past three decades has disappeared! This is confirmed by a plot of actual global average temperatures from the best available source, weather satellite data that shows there has been NO net global warming since the satellites were first launched in 1979.

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See larger image here.

Since there was global cooling from ~1940 to ~1979, this means there has been no net warming since ~1940, is spite of an ~800% increase in human emissions of carbon dioxide. This indicates that the recent warming trend was natural, and CO2 is an insignificant driver of global warming.

Furthermore, the best fit polynomial shows a strong declining trend. Are we seeing the beginning of a natural cooling cycle? YES. Further cooling, with upward and downward variability, is expected because the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has returned to its cool phase, as announced by NASA this year.

Global warming and cooling have closely followed the phases of the PDO. The most significant pattern of PDO behavior is a shift between “warm” and “cool” phases that last 20 to 30 years. In 1905, the PDO shifted to its “warm” phase. In 1946, the PDO changed to its “cool” phase. In 1977, the PDO returned to its “warm” phase and produced the current warming. In 2007-8, the PDO turned cold again, so we can expect several decades of naturally-caused global cooling.

Some scientists are predicting that this cooling will be severe, and is a greater threat to humanity than global warming ever was. Meanwhile, politicians are still obsessing about global warming. http://www.icecap.us/

Thursday September 18, 2008, 10:50 am
Noted and thanks Lyn. I signed yesterday as member of Avaaz.

Thank you for putting your name to the Garnaut petition. The more people that sign, the more Professor Garnaut will recognise that there is the national and political will to solve the climate crisis. It is unlikely the PM will pass legislation containing deeper emission cuts than Garnaut recommends, so it's crucial that we send a strong message before the report is finalised. Please take a moment now to forward it to your family friends and colleagues!

Thursday September 18, 2008, 11:12 am
signed and noted, thanks!!

Thursday September 18, 2008, 12:20 pm
Thanks! Signed and noted

Thursday September 18, 2008, 12:45 pm
Before you go cutting your own throats by signing a petition in support of the Green Scam, think about this:

The Lehman crash opens wide a vein of which we had begun to explore with our examination of carbon capture. It may be obvious when you think about it, and start doing some digging, but it has not been to forefront of the debate – the simple precept that one of the main beneficiaries of "climate change" is big business.

To that extent, simply to position the climate change issue as greenie propaganda is to miss the point. Green politics itself is a money-spinner, which makes the green agenda advocates beneficiaries in their own right. Big government, and especially the tranzis like the European Union and the United Nations gain considerably, as indeed do national governments which are able to expand their tax bases with rafts of green taxes.

Now put big business into the mix and you have a potent cocktail – a triumvirate of vested interest which needs to stoke up public concern about "climate change" in order to reap the financial and political rewards. The big myth in all this, of course, is that the "greenies" and industry are on opposing sides. They are in fact allies (some unwittingly), each standing to benefit in their own ways, alongside their allies in the various levels of government.

Arguably, this is – if one dare use that term – a vast conspiracy of interest, a means by which this triumvirate has found the golden key which enables it to pick the pockets of ordinary people. That turnkey, of course, is the quest to "save the planet", for which no impost or sacrifice is too great to demand.

Focusing on the big business dimension, the benefits of "climate change" are stunningly obvious – but only when you put the pieces together in what emerges as a classic "baptist and bootlegger alliance".

At the heart of the scam is, in European terms, the European emissions trading scheme (ETS). Elsewhere, in the USA and Australia, for instance, it is "cap and trade". What this does is put a notional value on an otherwise valueless waste produce, carbon dioxide – legitimised by the extraordinary sleight of hand which has turned this harmless chemical into a threat to our very existence.

It is in the electricity generation industry, however, that the nature of the scam is most easily seen. This industry is a particularly valuable target for two reasons. Firstly, unlike most manufacturing industries, it cannot move offshore if costs are loaded onto it. Secondly, it has a very large and captive consumer base which needs the product and cannot easily find a substitute.

Now, the way the scam works is as follows. Through the ETS/cap and trade scheme, a "tax" is applied to the industry, in the form of a government-mandated price increase based on the tonnage of carbon dioxide produced. That is the genius of this "tax" - disguised as a price increase, it can be passed straight down to the consumer.

Also, unlike other taxes, the industry is given a choice. If it prefers, it can produce the carbon dioxide, collect the tax from its customers and pay it to the government. On the other hand, it can decide not to produce the carbon dioxide and keep the cash which it has collected from its customers. That is where carbon capture comes in.

At first sight, any requirement for carbon capture is a huge impost on industry but it is quite the reverse, as long as the customers' bank accounts can be raided to pay for the costs. Rather than pay the money over to government – which is the plan under phase II and III of ETS (the latter starting in 2013) and the intent of cap and trade – the industry can instead "invest" it in the capital plant required for carbon capture.

Not only does this have tax benefits (maximising capital allowance), it increases the asset value of the generators, which goes straight on the balance sheet. Further, with increased operating costs, constant margins – at the levels permitted by the regulators – actually yield considerably more cash in absolute terms.

Putting figures on this, the wholesale value of electricity generated in the UK (2007 data) is approximately £32 billion at current prices. Assuming that remains static and, in phase II of ETS, carbon fetches about £35 per metric ton (one of the lower estimates) that adds £7-8 billion a year to the cost of electricity production. Siphoned off into asset building (carbon capture plant), that finances an increase in the asset base of something like £80 billion. In other words, this particular response to "climate change" adds that amount of value to the industry.

Nor indeed does it stop there. The other side of the equation is the drive towards renewables, which we have estimated will add another £6 billion to electricity prices through the ROC. The industry's turnover thus increases by about £14 billion, a cool 42 percent in one hit.

That is where the attraction lies. In a mature industry like electricity generation, with near 100 percent penetration, opportunities for growth are extremely limited, especially when the drive is towards increasing energy efficiency. The opportunity to increase turnover by 42 percent or thereabouts is a massive business opportunity which no industry could afford to turn away.

All this, of course, relies on keeping the population in a state of fear, convinced that "climate change" is a real and serious threat. Small wonder, therefore, when you look behind the climate change propaganda, the energy companies rather than the greenies are the major pushers.

That is the way it will stay until the bulk of the population wakes up to the realisation that "climate change" is one huge scam calculated to raid their wallets and enrich the owners and shareholders of their electricity providers.

And that is where the political battle lies. So far, the cost of "climate change" has not impacted heavily or obviously on the population. But, as the imposts multiply and become ever-visible, resistance will grow. Those who think the political battle over climate change is finished are wrong. It is only just starting.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/09/green-scam.html

Thursday September 18, 2008, 1:12 pm
9,486 signatures so far - thanks for posting this - will pass along to my global warming action group - we must unite if we are to (encourage (force) change!!!!

If you would like to do more, please consider checking out my Cliamte Change Action Group:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/StoppingGlobalWarming

Thursday September 18, 2008, 1:29 pm
When will we ever learn? Signed. Thanks for link, Jocelyn.

Thursday September 18, 2008, 2:26 pm

Why thank you for your suggestion Judy. I thought about it, then signed the petition as I am quite sure it isn't a scam.

Thank you Lyn.

Thursday September 18, 2008, 2:49 pm
signed Noted Thanks Jocelyn Thanks Chris

Thursday September 18, 2008, 5:34 pm

10,596 have signed the petition. Help us get to 20,000
W O W !!
thanks Lyn, action taken :)

Thursday September 18, 2008, 5:48 pm
"You've already signed this petition.".

Thursday September 18, 2008, 10:44 pm
This is a great petition thankyou for all who have signed
it. Mr Garnaut"s emission cuts are by no where near enough 10% will never do.

Thankyou Jocelyn

Friday September 19, 2008, 6:05 am
Judy Cross why is it when ever you make a comment you go on & on. No need to answer that. You have written enough here already. Thank you to all the positive people that signed.

Friday September 19, 2008, 8:33 am
You've already signed this petition!

Friday September 19, 2008, 11:19 am
noted and signed

Friday September 19, 2008, 11:47 am
Thanks, Jocelyn. I have signed.

As for Judy's commments, I think it is worthwhile to consider that our good intentions will absolutely be assessed for financial gain, that goverments and corporations will play their usual games both for profit, and to forward hidden agendas. We must examine the "solutions" which emerge with scrutiny. So to you, Judy Cross, and David Ickes, I say: point well taken. We must be careful with whatever "big brother" comes up with. Yes, it is necessary to do more than "demand" of the "powers that be" that SOMETHING must "be done".


Having said that, whether one believes in the "global warming" theory or not, it is clear that we can no longer behave as we do on this planet, polluting and consuming to the point of "no return". We need to convert to cleaner energy NOW. We need to stop using wood and paper as we do NOW. We need to stop pretending there is such a thing as garbage NOW. Truth is, many of us know several of the solutions already.

If we, THE PEOPLE, all continue to pay attention, do what we can, innovate, and SHARE with each other, there is hope. That is what we are trying to DO here. Do you have a better idea, Judy ?

Friday September 19, 2008, 1:33 pm
Signed. #12,694. Thank you Lyn for posting and to you Chris for posting link!

Friday September 19, 2008, 11:34 pm
noted and signed. If we keep this up worldwide perhaps the entire planet will take notice and think about doing something positive. Perhaps it will create jobs that seem to be needed worldwide and perhaps the earth will start to heel with TLC

Sunday September 21, 2008, 2:30 pm
Thanks Lyn I have signed sweetie.