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Venezuela Destroys 32,000 Firearms to Fight Crime


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Simon
- 1748 days ago - venezuelanalysis.com
The guns were seized from prisoners, & people arrested for violent crimes. In polls, Venezuelans say crime/insecurity is the most serious issue affecting Venezuela. Govt stats show that homicides rose from 1999-2007, but with new reforms, are now dropping



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Marty H. (119)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 2:45 am
The one thing I am NOT for is an unarmed society. It's much easier to turn people into cattle if they have nothing to fight with. The ciminals will always have weapons which they get underground.
Thanks Simon.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 2:28 pm
Marty, the U.S. method of easy availability of guns has really horrible conquences: the USA has 10x the murder rate of Australia (more than 11,000 per year for 300 million people, compared with about 80 per year for 20 million people)... and the USA has the highest rate of imprisonment in the world (about 1% of the U.S. population), and more people in prison than any other country, including the hugely populated China and India.

Anyway, if you read the article (or even my summary of it), you will see that this article is not about the Venezuelan government taking guns from law-abiding citizens. As I wrote: "The guns were seized from prisoners, & people arrested for violent crimes."

And most importantly, as I also said: "In polls, Venezuelans say crime/insecurity is the most serious issue affecting Venezuela. Govt stats show that homicides rose from 1999-2007, but with new reforms, are now dropping".

The point is that Venezuela's reforms are succeeding.

You prefer to go against the people's democratic will, and so allow homicides and violent crime to increase again?
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 2:31 pm
By the way, when I say this "the USA has the highest rate of imprisonment in the world (about 1% of the U.S. population), and more people in prison than any other country, including the hugely populated China and India", I mean this:

the U.S. figure of about 3 million people in prison, is more than the number in prison in China (despite China's much higher population of more than 1 billion), and more than the number in prison in India (despite India's much higher population of about 1 billion)....
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 2:35 pm
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I think our government needs to see how they are working this and implement....

Big Gorilly Hugs

But I sure wouldnt like giving up my guns...LOL...But...
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 2:41 pm
Hi Gorilly Girl, why would you give up your guns? I don't understand. Are you a person engaging in violent crimes, or a personin prison and possess a gun under your prison mattress? I don't think you are, and so I think you have assumed something incorrect about the article.

As the article said (and I repeated in my summary of the article), this news is NOT about "the Venezuelan government taking guns from law-abiding citizens". As I wrote in my summary: "The guns were seized from prisoners, & people arrested for violent crimes."
 

Rod Gesner (66)
Saturday November 21, 2009, 1:45 pm
While I agree with Takign Guns From Criminals And Not Giving them Back; Sponsering Gun for Toy/Cash Tradins; Giving away Free Trigger Locks; Etc..

..I Think it Was Foolish For a Small Country That Is Between a Rock and a Hard place Due To thier Progressive Politics; With the USA Sponsering Columbians To Interfiere and Other Potential Invadors; it Seems it Would Serve Thier needs Better to Save the Weapons For Milita and Army Use; As The Weapons Pictured Are Military Style Weapons (and Soldiers Do Need Sidearms as well) and Oil Rich as Venezuala is Can They Realty Afford To Waste Usefull Weapons...

..And Simon, While I Appreciate Your Aussie Progressive Perspective;
The Problems That Lead to Violent Crime in the USA Are Way More Complex Than Guns; Automobiles and Alcohol Kill WAY More People...
And The USA Does have Laws Tha Prohibit Felons; From Owning or Hiring, or Even Living With Someone who owns a Gun;(Which Says alot about the Failure of Our Prisons Lack of Rehabilitation Funding and Efforts...
..But Heck My Father Sent His Draft card back In the 40's and Did 5yrs Fed Time; So Our Great Country Bans Him For life From Owning a weapon To Hunt; or Defend his Family...(Realy Dangerous Criminal EH?!)

I don't Know From Thier Minds But it apears That Both Gorilly and Marty; Were Giving a More positive response Than I; But Also Qualifying Thier response With Thier Perspective on Taking guns away From Honest Citizens...

..Perhaps You Have Been Attacked So Much Here;
That You React Without Attempting to understand The Perspective Of Those That Might Be Supportive of Many of Your Posts;
But Do not have The Identical Perspective or Background You have..

I'm No Bible Thumpin Jingoistic Pro military "Patriot" (I Won't go fight "Thier Wars" But I will defend My Home and "AREA";
But I own Guns both For Home Protection and Hunting, and Live My life Carefull as to Not Lose them Thru a Felony arrest.
and if I lived in a more Hostile Area, I would get a Carry Permit as well.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday November 21, 2009, 11:10 pm
Hi Rod,

first of all, the photo I used was a generic gun photo. I don't think it shows the guns that Venezuela captured and destroyed. I tried to find such a photo, but I just used any old gun photo. Who cares really? I don't. It is just illustrating the article. Please don't place too much importance in what type of guns are in it. As the article says, many of the guns were home-made - i.e. different to the ones in the photo.

Now... I did not "React Without Attempting to understand The Perspective Of Those That Might Be Supportive of Many of Your Posts", as you claimed. I was responding objectively to what Gorilly and Marty wrote. I did not imagine anything. And the proof is all written in the article and the comments above.

In short, they wrote against the removal of guns from law-abiding citizens, and I pointed out that the article was NOT ABOUT THAT, IT WAS ABOUT REMOVING GUNS FROM PRISONERS AND PEOPLE WHO WERE ARRESTED FOR VIOLENT CRIME. If you read the article, you will see that what I say is correct.

As for Venezuela's number of guns, I too thought these captured guns might be useful to use instead of destroy.

However, destroying illegal guns sends a symbolic message in a country where people want the government to end criminal violence. And the benefits of that message may be worth the waste of money that it entails.

Remember what the article says, that I summarised in my introduction to it? "In polls, Venezuelans say crime/insecurity is the most serious issue affecting Venezuela. Govt stats show that homicides rose from 1999-2007, but with new reforms, are now dropping". The new reforms are working. The people of Venezuela have had enough of U.S. style violent society. They want something different, so they certainly don't want to follow the U.S. culture more, as some people writing comments here seem to be recommending.

Also, thinking about thsi issue more, I realise some new things:

Venezuela has plenty of guns for its current military and militia, and it is in he process of producing more.

Venezuela is focussing on using the weapons they already have, including the 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles they recently bought from Russia, and the other Kalashnikov assault rifles which they are building in a factory in Venezuela, as part of an agreement with Russia. Kalashnikovs are much more useful for jungle warfare than the flimsy long-range U.S. M-16s and stuff. And having a standard reliable type of weapon issued to most or all militia is logistically superior to using the assortment of guns that they destroyed. Aside from the problem of supplying a huge range of ammunition for thsoe destroyed guns, many of the destroyed weapons were unreliable or less appropriate for jungle warfare than a Kalashnikov.

Please read the article before you comment. Also, I'd recommend that you read more about Venezuela's defence program in Venezuelanalysis, and you could even ask the nearest Venezuelan Embassy for more information if you want more information, so you can understand why they are doing what they are doing.

Peace : )
 

Rod Gesner (66)
Sunday November 22, 2009, 1:33 am
I Chose Not to Follow That link;
for reasons of my own

Maybe Next Time You Could post the Article Here;
instead of a Missrepresentative Picture;
as The Picture is Supposed to Mean something;
And Missrepresentative Pictures Are deceptive Advertising;
Just like inflamatory, Fearmongering, or Otherwise Distorted headlines...
or Using Mutiple Event Shots To inflate the Percieved Crowd Size;
Like Faux News is Accused of.
The Same Standars Should Prevail Here on C2 News That We Have a RIGHT to expect and DEMAND From Commercial News Media;
if instead We Allow Similar Tacticshere;
How Is Our News any more Trustworthy?
 

Simon Wood (207)
Sunday November 22, 2009, 3:12 am
Hi Rod....

Care2 has told us not to post articles as comments. But if you want to try to post an arrticle as a comment, be my guest.

Why don't you simply visit the link? I don't understand.... Anyway, if you actually want to read the article and learn something other than capitalist media propaganda (which promotes the capitalist class agenda of oppressing and exploiting us all), you can visit the link. Or visit a google cache of it or something....

The picture WAS representative: it was guns - good enough for me. You want the details? Then you can read the article or contact the nearest Venezuelan Embassy, as I said.

I used a photo because a photo attracts many more people to read and note the article, than if there is no photo. That is the important thing. If I reject all photos because none are the actual confiscated guns, then that is less effective for my purpose. My purpose is not to be a nitpicking pedantic perfectionist. My purpose is to get people to read the article, to educate themselves.

And in fact, maybe that photo shows a few of the 32,000 confiscated guns. I don't remember where I got the picture from.

Please don't be so critical, Rod. I am not here to please you, nor to please anyone else. I am here to educate the people who are interested to read the articles and comments I post, to build socialism, which is the only way to ensure human rights for all people (including food, clean water, health care and housing).

My news is more trustworthy than the capitalist media because:

(1) my agenda is not profit, but it is compassion and human rights for all human beings.
(2) the photos and pictures I use do represent the articles, and do not lie. I never show crowd sizes that exaggerate my points. Nor do I show violence that was not done by those who the article said did that.

If you think you can do better, then do it. But please don't attack us underdogs who are campaigning to show the news that promotes equality and human rights, news that most people don't see, because the capitalist class doesn't want us to know it.
 
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