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Fidel Castro on Haiti: Cuba 'Sends Doctors, Not Soldiers'


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Simon
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June Marshall (395)
Monday January 25, 2010, 3:51 am
I'm very proud of their doctors sent from Cuba. But our men are more than soldiers too. They wear many hats of many professions. What ever is needed at the time, they will use that hat (skill). All help and aid a country can send to aid Haiti after this tragic disaster where these people have lost their homes, families, limbs and all they had is needed to help.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 4:36 am
June, they are not "our men". They might be your men, but they certainly aren't mine.

I would NEVER support the U.S. military. The U.S. military is used by the U.S. corporation-dominated government to violently impose regimes on Third World countries that oppress their own people, to enable U.S. corporations to exploit Third World people and resources, impoverishing the people of those countries, in order to enrich multi-millionaire and billionaire shareholders.

The main reason that anyone thinks that the U.S. military is a humanitarian agency is because of the capitalist media propaganda campaign to promote that false image.
 

David S. (55)
Monday January 25, 2010, 7:03 am
There were already some 300 Cuban doctors in Haiti long prior to the earthquake offering free medical care to the general population. There are some 500 now, though the ability to send in many more had been greatly hampered by the U.S. military takeover of the airport.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 7:20 am
Hi David : ) Thankyou for writing this comment : )

Actually, according to Fidel in the article, there were already 400 Cuban doctors and health care experts in Haiti before the earthquake hit.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday January 25, 2010, 7:33 am
You said it all, Simon - thank you.
 

David S. (55)
Monday January 25, 2010, 7:50 am
Actually, Fidel is partially correct, and I am also ;), the exact number of Cubans working in the medical brigades in Haiti prior to the quake is 402, of which 302 are trained as full doctors, and the rest are support staff, nurses, etc.

It is also possible to donate directly to the Cuban medical brigades in Haiti. One difference is that such donations do not have "administration fees" taken out, and the remainder not further handed out to for profit privateers that the U.S. military brought in with them who are profiting handsomely at the misery of the people of Haiti.

One can find out more contacting Richard Sanders at http://coat.ncf.ca or more directly the Mackenzie-Papineau Memorial Fund (Charitable Org - Revenue Canada Reg, #88876 9197RR0001). If someone needs contact info, I would be happy to send it.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 7:51 am
You're very welcome, Arielle : ) Good on you for noting and commenting on this article : )
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 8:03 am
Heheh, well done, David : )

We were all correct. : ) And Fidel and I were emphasising the 100 or so medical workers who you didn't mention ; )

Good on you for promoting this kind of thing, comrade ; )
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 8:05 am
* I mean you didn't mention the ones who weren't doctors - I wrote that earlier comment to acknowledge them ; )
 

Jessie Cross (295)
Monday January 25, 2010, 8:50 am
Thanks SImon - I posted to FB as well.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 9:01 am
You're very welcome, Jessie! : )

And good on you for posting this article to Face Book, my friend! : )

Wow, we both have 300 Care2 friends! Heheh! : P
 

David S. (55)
Monday January 25, 2010, 12:09 pm
Very true, Simon. They're work and contribution is equally essential and relevant!
 

Carol Anne Knapp (123)
Monday January 25, 2010, 12:40 pm
Watched W5 last night a Canadian news program, they were following a Canadian doctor who went down. He has a hospital for children that he built in Haiti, Even he was unable to get supplies, which are apparently sitting at the airport with no infrastructure to distribute them...the NGO's did not even want to talk to him.

full episodes of W5 are at w5@ctv.ca I do believe if that is not correct just google ctv you will find it
 

Borgen Project (55)
Monday January 25, 2010, 1:41 pm
Glad to hear that everyone is doing what they can to help the relief effort.
 

Naoko I. (262)
Monday January 25, 2010, 3:32 pm
Kudos to Cuban doctors ! And I'm sure they are very good at their profession. Thanks Simon for posting.
 

Anne T. (179)
Monday January 25, 2010, 4:58 pm
I hope that the capitalists who are making a fortune out of this massive human tragedy choke on their ill gotten gains when they look at the starving children suffering through no fault of their own.
Millions of dollars of donated food and medical supplies etc are sitting at the airport "protected" by
"the saviours' guns" for later profit making.
You can't hand out these goods for free to the starving populous because the ruling elite can't make any money out of that!
 

Mark G. (36)
Monday January 25, 2010, 5:34 pm
Cuban doctors are very good at their profession. In fact they are defecting to the US in large numbers when the opportunity presents itself. They get sent to impoverished countries and many use this to quickly make their way to the US. Venezuela has been a prime launching point for them. Now Haiti will be. But who could blame them?
From the Lancet Medical Journal:
"Cuba has sent tens of thousands of medical professionals to serve in poor communities in the developing world. And while doctor and nurse defections have long bedevilled these overseas programmes, they now seem to be accelerating, in part because US immigration policy makes it easier for these Cuban medical professionals and their families to obtain visas.
The policy offers the Cubans a tempting opportunity. Back home they face a life of poverty under a Communist regime that offers few political rights, whereas in the USA, because of their professional skills, they have a chance to move quickly into a comfortable middle class life."
Now if you could be a doctor in Cuba or in the US which one would you choose?
 

Simon Wood (207)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:33 am
Good on you everyone who posted in support of what Cuba and the Cuban medical workers, and Cuban-trained Haitian medical workers are doing for the people of Haiti! : )
 

Simon Wood (207)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:51 am
Mark G wrote: "Cuban doctors are very good at their profession. In fact they are defecting to the US in large numbers when the opportunity presents itself."

Only A FEW doctors from Cuba have chosen to leave Cuba - not "large numbers". And why do a few leave? Because, although the Cuban people supported them to get a free medical education, they are tricked by the capitalist media that excess money will make them happier, and so they selfishly choose to work in privileged communities in capitalist countries, so that they can become richer.

They are not decent role models for any knowledgeable and compassionate person.

Mark G wrote: "They get sent to impoverished countries and many use this to quickly make their way to the US."

People from Cuba are given automatic citizenship in the USA, unlike people from other Latin American countries. That encourages people from Cuba to move to the USA, much more than people from other countries in Latin America, who have great difficulty getting into the USA, and so many people from Latin America can only live and work in the USA illegally, suffering high levels of stress, work injuries without compensation or medical care, and also widespread sexual harassment, sexual abuse, rape, and other violence and abuse, because (1) they don't know their rights, and (2) even if they know their rights, they have few rights as illegal immigrants, especially in relation to their bosses.

Mark G wrote: "Venezuela has been a prime launching point for them. Now Haiti will be. But who could blame them?"

I responded to that above, but I will add something: the USA is the largest economy in the Americas, and is Cuba's natural trading partner. However, the people of Cuba are victim of the U.S. economic blockade, which prevents all U.S. people, and all ships and businesses that engage in any business at any point with the USA from also trading with Cuba - on penalty of lengthy prison terms, huge fines, and prevention from future business dealings with the USA.

That economic blockade is explicitly stated by the U.S. government to be aimed at ending socialism in Cuba, and bringing back capitalism, and allowing the U.S. corporate exploitation of the people of Cuba (which was ended by the revolution), to be restarted.

As a result of that economic blockade, the people of tiny Cuba, with its 10 million people, have suffered more than $80 billion economic damage!!! That is more than $8,000 per person!!! For a country that was a Third World neo-colony of the USA, and thus mostly impoverished, with development prevented, until the 1959 revolution, that ~50 year blockade, causing more than ~8,000 economic damage per person, is a HUGE LOSS!!!

Although a few doctors have left Cuba as part of the usual brain drain of Third World countries to first world countries (but intensified by capitalist media propaganda broadcast to Cuba, and by the U.S. policy of automatic U.S. citizenship for people from Cuba), even fewer would leave if the USA had not been maintaining that economic blockade from the early 1960s until today and beyond.

Mark G wrote: "From the Lancet Medical Journal:
"Cuba has sent tens of thousands of medical professionals to serve in poor communities in the developing world. And while doctor and nurse defections have long bedevilled these overseas programmes, they now seem to be accelerating, in part because US immigration policy makes it easier for these Cuban medical professionals and their families to obtain visas."

See, I told you! That encouragement to immigration is the U.S. government's fault, not the doing of the people's democratically-elected government in Cuba!

Mark G wrote: "The policy offers the Cubans a tempting opportunity. Back home they face a life of poverty under a Communist regime that offers few political rights,"

Ok, well, that part of what you have written (which you CLAIM is from the Lancet, but give no evidence that it is), is not correct.

First of all, no-one in Cuba claims that Cuba is communist. The Cuban Communist Party is communist, but that does not mean that the system is communist. It means that they are aiming to create communism eventually. Currently, they are still trying to build SOCIALISM. I am so tired and annnoyed at this widespread ignorance of political terms!!!

Socialism means (even according to my CAPITALIST DICTIONARY) - "society owning and controlling the means of production, distribution and exchange". That capitalist dictionary definition of "socialism" is a marxist definition, too, by the way. Anyway, Cuba is only mostly socialist, not completely. Cuba is democratic, as socialism requires, but Cuba's system leaves more power in the hands of executives than true socialism does.

As for communism, well, the marxist definition (communists' own definition) is: "a system of democratic communes in cooperation with each other, without any overarching state". I.e.very decentralised, and quite different to the system in Cuba.

Now, to the claim about "a life of poverty" and "few political rights" for doctors in Cuba. Both of those claims are misleading. Cuba;s doctors have all of their basic needs met, such as a guaranteed income (including food, clean water and clothing), guaranteed housing, free health care, and free education, plus electricity in almost all parts of Cuba. Is that poverty? It is only "poverty" relative to people who have excess wealth and material products such as cars and big TVs and home entertainment systems and boats and other junk, that consume our environment and cause pollution, and don't actually bring true happiness.

Once basic needs are met, happiness is little affected by any further wealth - despite the capitalist propaganda to the contrary. Once basic needs are met is only other, non-material things, that bring true happiness, such as: loving relationships, meditation and power over one's life.

This brings us to political rights. In fact, people in Cuba have more political rights than people in capitalist countries: people in Cuba have direct democracy in their workplaces (workers meet, discuss issues and vote to decide most things), and direct democracy on the community level, too.

And all people in Cuba have a say in the media, not only a rich minority, and all people in Cuba receive equal support when running for elections (there is no private campaign funding, but everyone running for office gets a small allowance of resources for campaigning - which makes face-to-face relationships much more important than in capitalist countries, where money buys fame in elections).

And YES, contrary to capitalist media propaganda, people in Cuba DO HAVE the right to freedom of speech.

The only "political rights" that people in Cuba DON'T have, are the "rights" to campaign to overthrow the democratic system in Cuba and/or install an exploitative capitalist system in Cuba.

Mark G wrote: "whereas in the USA, because of their professional skills, they have a chance to move quickly into a comfortable middle class life."
Now if you could be a doctor in Cuba or in the US which one would you choose?"

Me? Well, I care about people, and I know that excess money does not buy happiness, and I don't want to live in a violent society, so I actually intend to live in Cuba, Venezuela and other Third World countries, to make revolution, not live in the selfish, violent, consumerist, polluting society of the USA. I'm not just talking hypothetically. I am taking about my real life plans.

Not everyone is selfish and greedy. And in fact, scientists have found that the most psychologically healthy people (and therefore happiest people), are altruistic and friendly. So, I say, let's nurture our altruism and values of solidarity, not our greed or selfishness.
 

David S. (55)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 4:10 am
Greed is not need, and once a society fulfills need universally there can be many other motivations for people who are skilled in some field of endeavor to excel. More importantly since greed requires competition at the expense of others, this enables only a very few to excel, where cooperatively many can do so.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:04 am
I agree, David : )
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:56 am
Thannnxx Simon.. am pleased the the Cubans are in aswell... perhaps if there were more army soldiers around the young man would not of got killed for picking up a bag of rice when it fell from a passing truck... their own poilic force shot the two and the one died... the US is an army which control crowds, guards medicines and equipemnt and brings some normality.. they are also helping in distribution and are indispensible in hauling heavy loads to various locations... so lets give them some credit toooooooooooooo..
 

Simon Wood (207)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:55 am
Chaz Gaily Berlusconi, why do you say "as well", as if the aid-workers from Cuba are a small addition, compared with the U.S. aid-workers??? The USA sent plenty of troops to impose continuing rule by the puppet government in Haiti (to enable a continuation of U.S./Canadian/French corporate exploitation of the workers of Haiti), but the U.S. sent very few aid-workers, so your implication is dishonest.

The reason that man got shot was precisely BECAUSE of U.S./Canadian/French imperialism (which, as I have reminded you numerous times, imposed the oppressive regime in Hiati, and exploited and impoverished Haiti), and more soldiers would only mean MORE murders!!!

Indeed, those police can only rule because of the U.S.-led occupation that enforces the rule of the oppressive puppet government in Haiti, and the U.S.-led occupation has prevented much aid from reaching the people of Haiti, thus making Haitian people desperate for food.

But you prefer to blame the Black people, eh??? You pretend that Black people can't run their own country??? You are promoting the myth of the "White Man's Burden". DISGUSTING IMPERIALIST RACISM!!!

The U.S. military are not needed for distribution - if they are helping, then it is because they have prevented the landing of aid-workers, and won't let non-military aid workers do that distribution.

The U.S. military kills, maims, rapes, and basically terrorises the people of Third World countries into submitting to oppressive puppet regimes and U.S. corporate exploitation. They bring a huge amount of harm to the people of the Third World, and little or no benefit. I won't EVER support those imperialist troops!!!
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 10:38 am
Green star to Mark G. for telling the truth about the situation and the real Politics behind Fidels comments.

I didnt realize how this really affected me personal until a few days after the horrible tradgey.
My sister lost a very good friend to lack of Medical Attention.The woman had been there doing mission work for the past 5 years.
My neighbors husband has lost almost his entire family but 1 or 2 with several missing.
And one friends husband who had just returned form Afhganistan has now been delpoyed there to HELP with the security of ALL the different Medical and Rescue AID going to Haiti.
I find it disgusting that people are using this tradgey for a political stomping of the US.
We have given more AID then any other country or event the pathetic corrupt UN.
WHO by the way told a Dutch medical group who requested security forces for the sick and dying that they would NOT send Peace Keepers to the make shift ER tent to protect the team and the injured/dying people from violent hoodlums.Instead the UN offered to pull the Dutch Medical Team as well as many others OUT of the unsecure areas.WHICH THEY TOOK!
Leaving CNN's Dr. Gupta of all people to perform the desperately needed attention to Haitian people.
If any of you opposing the US troops even understood or acknowledge the very reality of Haiti before the earthquake you would NOT be saying such ignorant things about the AID that the US is sending to Haiti.
Haiti pre-earthquake was known for its violent gangs and social unrest.
It is NO wonder that security is desperately needed just to get the necessary AID onto the island.
THE TROOPS ARE NEEDED AND THEY ARE APPRECIATED BY MANY HAITIANS living in AMerica praying for their families and for their people.
Many of our own troops families are from Haiti.One solider opened her family home to ALL their neighbors and even strangers,giving them shelter and sharing whatever they can to help.
Such ignorance of what is REALLY being done and what is happening is just......disgusting.
Does anyone here actually except ANY other country to send ANY type of Security forces to secure the island and protect the AID workers?
The UN has proven it does not care,critizes the US for it,then ask for MORE AID money to supply tents.The US and its citizens have provided over 200 million and counting in AID funds.More Medical and rescue groups then any other country, and is the ONLY one to supply sercutiy forces to bring peace and order back to the island to ensure that NO more lives are lost to lawlessness and violence in the chaos and despartion.

Haitians and ALL US citizens WITH connections to the Island Support the AID AND THE TROOPS being provided to the island.

I am ashamed to even be a site where people would critize AID work going to a place that is in such great need of the HELP>
Absolutely ashamed,as those of you here should be that would say such things.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:24 pm
http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/haiti-war-crimes-and-oil/
Haiti just happens to have oil.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:33 pm
http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/haiti-the-miracle-and-the-nightmare/

Some how UN troops or US troops intimidate Haitians if anything.
Adi workers have complained as have leaders in other countries. Check in the updates for more information.
US troops were told not to give any more food the Haitians WHY?
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:24 pm
Elsielese post a *Real* news outlet or somekind of source other then a Blogger that can prove your point.
I dont likke CNN but I since I do watch them and have seen the information footage with the viable information talking about the UN evacte of Medical groups I know its true and not just Anti-American gossip.
Please post aviable source.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:36 pm
By the way Simon there is only ONE US Corpoartion that does business on the island and its a Leather processing company.
Get your facts straight.If anyone is aiding the horribly corrupt governemnt of Haiti it is the UN who has by the way,been occupying Haiti for YEARS!
With stationed Peace Keepers...which I cant call them that anymore..more like Creeps with an international free pass to violate different people of all countries with NO repurcussions!
Do your homework on the island people before you start blaming the US for occupation when the UN IS in involved in occupation in the NAME OF AID in tons of countries!With crimes racking up from Rape,child sex trafficking and outright corruption.

Ask a Haitian what is the reality there.I have had many conversations with my neighbors some from Haiti.And that is exactly what they have told me is true.
Sorry but I will believe a Native Haitian anyday over Blantant Anti-American rhetoric.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 8:34 pm
Lady Libertarian
Number 1 I will post what I see fit and number 2 if you had gone to the site there are numerous story's all linked to the original news outlets that ran the story. Look before you comment next time. It will not make you look so foolish. All the posts at that site are a collection of news media world wide.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 11:34 pm
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Did-mining-and-oil-drillin-by-Ezili-Danto-100123-329.html
Seems there are few foreign mining companies etc in Haiti. Guess some one didn't check all their facts.
 

Marty H. (119)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 1:01 am
Thanks Simon and noted. Great to see Cuba so active in helping! They need all the help they can get!
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 6:58 am
Well I guess the US should take its Troops and it AID and just leave.
In fact I think that's a great idea!
Ill go tell my neighbors whose family members are dead and dying and my sister that her friend died for politics reasons!
You people are couldnt careless about the REAL situation over there.
OR THE PEOPLE!
All yall care about is being Anti-American.

Peace,Im out.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 7:29 am
"Lady Libertarian" calls herself a libertarian, but one can't support capitalism and a capitalist military, as she does, and also be a libertarian. Libertarianism means "a philosophy of freedom, including freedom from coercion" - and capitalism is s system based on coercion, while the capitalist military institution, is an institution that is all about coercion - internally, and also coercing other people (usually they use violence and the threat of violence to coerce people to submit to capitalist exploitation).

The so-called "Lady Libertarian" wrote:

"I find it disgusting that people are using this tradgey for a political stomping of the US.
We have given more AID then any other country or event the pathetic corrupt UN."

No, the USA has not given more aid to Haiti than any other country.

Let's review the statistics:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1365531

USA has given $130 million & 40 tons of aid to Haiti, on behalf of ~300 million U.S. citizens = $0.43/ U.S. citizen. Venezuela has given over $18 million & 732 tons of aid to Haiti, on behalf of ~26 million Venezuelan citizens = $0.67/ Venezuelan citizen.

However, most of the U.S. money is not even aid at all - it is the cost of sending huge ships and over 10,000 soldiers, and other military to control Haiti, to ensure the continuation of U.S. exploitation of Haiti, and to enable an increase of that exploitation.

Also from the article:
( http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1365531 ) -

"The Venezuela-Cuba initiated Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of our Americas (ALBA) fair trade bloc, which also includes Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Dominica, Antigua and Barbados, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines has also sent two ships carrying 4,761 metric tons of food aid."

That is more than 100x the tonnage of the aid that the USA gave to Haiti!!!
 

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 7:49 am
Stop the press:

in addition to giving all that aid, Venezuela has just forgiven Haiti's U.S.$295 million oil debt to Venezuela (which was for oil that was already sold at a generously low price, through Venezuela's Third World solidarity "PetroCaribe" program).

Check out the article:

"Venezuela's Chavez Forgives Haiti's Debt"
http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1371639

"Hugo Chavez said that Petrocaribe, Venezuela's cut-rate energy program, will forgive Haiti's debt (US$295 million, about 1/3 of Haiti's global foreign debt of US$1 billion). ALBA countries criticised the excessive first world military presence in Haiti."


Thus, Venezuela's help to Haiti at this difficult time exceeds the cost of what the U.S. is doing "for Haiti" (which is mostly the cost of maintaining military ships, which cost millions of dollars to run, plus more than 10,000 troops - to control Haiti by propping up Haiti's oppressive U.S. puppet regime, to ensure the continuation of U.S. exploitation of Haiti, and to enable an increase of that exploitation.)

Venezuela has given the people of Haiti: the service of firefighters and other aid workers (who got there and started helping long before the puny number of U.S. aid workers arrived, and long before the 10,000+ new U.S. occupation troops arrived) PLUS 732 tons of aid PLUS $18 million in free oil PLUS U.S.$295 million in forgiven debt!!!

That is much more than the USA has given to Haiti. And while the Venezuela has not invaded or exploited the people of Haiti, in contrast, the U.S. ruling class has used their military and corporations to invade and devaste Haiti numerous times over the centuries, installing and propping up dictator after dictator to serve U.S. business interests, to exploit the people of Haiti terribly!!!
 

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 7:55 am
So-called "Lady Libertarian" wrote: "You people are couldnt careless about the REAL situation over there.
OR THE PEOPLE!"

You don't know me!!! MY MOTIVATION IN LIFE IS TO END OPPRESSION, EXPLOITATION AND POVERTY, AND ENSURE HUMAN RIGHTS FOR ALL PEOPLE!!!

So shut the hell up!!!
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 1:09 pm
Well Simon it was people like you and I that complained to the IMF to give Haiti a interest free loan with NO stings attached as well. It's nice when people who know nothing about what we do call criticize us. IMF were all set to cash in on Haiti's devastation. The people in Haiti have been through a nightmare not just from the earthquake but from US intervention over the years and deserve to be treated with respect. Not used for profiteering.
Our Lady might be shocked at how many millions are monitoring what is going on in Haiti. Even world leaders are beginning to wonder at the troops the US is sending in and apparently they are planning on sending up to 20,000 all together from the latest reports. This is suppose to be an Aid mission not a military one. Even the aid agencys have been complaining as they are having problems getting into Haiti as the military seems to be getting priority. There are lot of people wondering.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 1:19 pm
http://www.care2.com/news/member/853400806/1371303
There may be a few here interested in this story.
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:28 pm
Simon do your homework on what a Libertarian actually IS!
Freedom especial Captialist Freedom is TRUE freedom.
Only Socialist and Communist oppos such freedom for the People to be able to decide our destiny.
Whther it be Morally or Economically.
I was once blind like you.
Believed it was the Demon.UNtil I saw that ALL I had been told was a LIE!
By Communist and Socialist who are looking to take away ALL our freedoms.
Russia,China,Cuba, and NOW Venezula ALL Socialist\Communist Countries with NO respect for Human Rights whatsoever.
I to thought that was the way to go until I had a very long talk with a neighbors grandfather who came here in the 90's from Cuba and he told me the many horros about your percious Hero Fidel Castro.
People starving,the Governemnt choicing who is feed and who gets what.a TOTALLY DIcator and villian.
The conversations with Immigrants from other countries like Cuba....REAL FIRST HAND accounts of what those leaders are like changed my mind real quick.
Libertarians support Freedom and LIberty,and yes a Free Captialist Country.
The only way for people to truly be free and get what we need.

Elsa I am not shopcked about anything that the IMF does.
It is a totally corrupt EVIL Corporation that cripples countries and destroys the lives of many people around the world.
You might be interested to know that the 60 Million that Hollywood supposedly raised for Haiti ISNT going directly to the AID groups helping in Haiti but to the IMF.
Imagine that something we do actually agree on.
Other then NOTHING Else.
Considering that the only ones who have been occupying Haiti in recent years has been the Precious United Nations.
With thousands of Peace Keepers stationed on the island to BOOT!

I really doubt from reading any of either of your posts that you understand what it takes to actually get AID to people in ANY situation.
Especially one so devasting.
Doubtfully either have dealt with such poverty and conditions firsthand.
Well I have,and from a very early age at that.
Haiti,beautiful,strong,humble and spiritual.
Even still has had the horrible reality of Gang Violence that has plaqued the Island for many,many years.
So it is not hard to see WHY the Innocent would need protection from the Gangs NOW!
People will do anything when they are desparate.That is why the Haityians need the US troops over there.
Also our troops are trained to do MUCH more then shoot people.
Many are trained in builting shelters,medical help,and the most important organizing what needs to be done to resolve a problem.
Why would Chavez and Fidel want to accuse the US of occupation???
Because especially IF the island holds Oil reserves they want it for themselves!
THeir countries are going through devasting energy crisis because their Leaders maintain control over their people by maintaining control over such esstenial needs of the people.
If the People of any country can not obtain such necessary resources on their and have to depend on their Governemnt for such resources,that only means that the people are ENSLAVED and at the MERCY of their leaders like Chavez and Fidel.
Freedom does not lie in the hands of one small group of individuals or a single man,but in the hands of the people.
THAT Simon is what being a LIbertarian is truly about.
You can fighht corporations and crook companies all day long with NO bloodshed,you cannot fight an evil Dicatorship without it.
So while you support dicators,terrorist of human rights and freedom I support an idea of true freedom and liberty.

HAVE NONE OF YOU acknowledge theviolence and potenital for violence that is on the island?
Then you have no common sense,no knowledge of such situations,or any idea about true human nature.
The Troops are needed and wanted by the HAitians here and there.
So that the Medical groups and food\water AID can get to all people safely.
ONE thing I will agree with the two of you on is that our percious politicans like Hillary and the like need to keep there Butts home,instead of blocking AID for 8 hours at a time in order for them to get a publicity shoot of them on the island.
But there is LITTLE to nothing else we can agree.
Besides if you guys are screaming at the US for Troops during this time period,why arent you screaming at the UN for its occupation or its COMPLETE LACK of AID and assistance?

Thought so.
Just abunch of Anti-American Rhetoric and not one single real sinere cocnern about the people of the island.
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:35 pm
United Nations Documents and information verifing the occupation of the UN on the island of Haiti since at least 2004...offically.
Still waiting for the REAL documents that verify Americas involvement in anything HAitin other then having Haitian citizens and Haitians in OUR Military.Will go back and verify the WHOLE US comapnies things from REAL sources.

http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/minustah/background.shtml
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:52 pm
LIbertarian Platform
http://www.lp.org/platform

2.0 Economic LIberty

A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

A bit of education for ya Simon on what Libertarians stand for.......

 

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 10:49 pm
The so-called "Lady Libertarian" neglected to address what I wrote about how rigntwingers cannot be libertarian. I will repeat:

"Lady Libertarian" calls herself a libertarian, but one can't support capitalism and a capitalist military, as she does, and also be a libertarian. Libertarianism means "a philosophy of freedom, including freedom from coercion" - and capitalism is s system based on coercion, while the capitalist military institution, is an institution that is all about coercion - internally, and also coercing other people (usually they use violence and the threat of violence to coerce people to submit to capitalist exploitation).
 

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 11:36 pm
Libertarianism means "a philosophy or system that is free from coercion". Such a system cannot be capitalist, nor can it include a capitalist-style military.

Only anarchism - LEFT libertarianism - is actually libertarian. Free associations, without the use of force to hoard property and impoverish others, and without the use of force to exploit workers.

In capitalism, the capitalist class own capital (the means of production, distribution and exchange), e.g. farmland, mines, oil wells, factories, railways, cargo ships, fleets of trucks, supermarkets, etc..

In capitalism, the working class owns no capital, so the only way they can get the things they need for survival is to work for those who control capital. The working class do that work, that labour... and by doing that labour, they create wealth. That labour creates all wealth.

However, the capitalist class, who control capital, use that power of ownership and control, to only pay workers for PART of the wealth that workers produce. And the capitalist class take the rest of that wealth - it is legal theft, legal robbery. The specific economic term for this economic relationship is "exploitation". It occurs everywhere where the capitalist class take a profit from their corporations. All capitalist accumulation of wealth is exploitation.

And that economic relationship can ONLY continue by using violence and the threat of violence to enforce that exploitation, to enforce that robbery of workers' labour. Without that violence and threat of violence, people would simply be able to take the value of the work they did, and leave nothing for the idle rich, nothing for the capitalist class who did not work.

Violence and the threat of violence are COERCION. As I said above, libertarianism is about FREEDOM FROM COERCION. Therefore, no libertarians support capitalism. And people who do support capitalism are not genuine libertarians.
 

. (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 6:26 am
What exactly does a Communist\Socialist know about true freedom?
Obviously absolutely NOTHING!
That is why ALL you did was describ exactly what your precious Fidel and Chavez are guilty of.
Not coercion but straight out violence against the people of their OWN countries in order to obtain Control.Killing Millions in the process.
You might fool some with your rhetoric..but not me.I woke up a awhile back.
One only needs to read a simple history book or speak to a survior or relative of a survior of the Communist regimes in Cuba,China,and Russia to see all YOU did Simon was replace Communism with Captialism.
Which is a BIG FAT LIE that those like you have enslaved my minority community with in order to further your influence in our society.
As I posted there is a direct link to what a Libertarian actually believes in and WHY.
This is NOT a "New" thing for Libertarians.It is something that we have believed in since the idea was formed on Libertariansim.
Nothing new here folks,just another slight of hand by Socialist in order to rearrange history and ideas to better suite their goals of control.
That 'Captialism" is the Devil and "Social justice" the New Messiah.
A lie.Take from someone who USE to believe in such things.
Who has lived violence and poverty.These supposed "Social Justice"Activist have lied too long and are only a guise for communism and Socialism.
At least Im honest about what I stand for Simon and I understand completely what it is.
The thread is based off one concept alone...Anti-American at any cost to human suffering.
The ONLY reason why Dicators\Murders like Castro and Chvez accuse the US of occupation is to intimadte the US to leave so that..if Else is right about the Oil...they can go there and occupy the Island themselves.Only to bring their own "Utopia" of pain to the people so that they might achieve power and money from their resources.
 

. (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 10:07 am
U.S. GOVERNMENT (USG) HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE

- On January 13, U.S Ambassador to Haiti Kenneth H. Merten declared a disaster due to the effects of the
earthquake. To date, USAID has contributed more than $256 million in earthquake response funding, including
more than $163 million from USAID/OFDA, $68 million from USAID/FFP, $20 million from USAID/OTI, more
than $3.5 million from USAID/Haiti, and $1 million from USAID/Dominican Republic. In total, the U.S.
Government has contributed more than $382 million in earthquake response funding for Haiti to date.

For more FACTS about how much the US has donated and the breakdown of what has been sent please go to a REAL source for information....
http://www.usaid.gov/helphaiti/documents/01.27.10-USAID-DCHAHaitiEarthquakeFactSheet15.pdf
(which is the FACT sheet on donations and AID)

http://www.usaid.gov/helphaiti/
(which is the site for more detailed information on USAID to Haiti)
Please Donate and Pray if you pray,mediate or whatever positive thoughts that can be sent send them!
Thank you
 

. (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 10:23 am
ALSO the US Chamber of Commerce shows that Corporate (luv them or hate them) companies have raised another 122 Million for Haiti.
See link for information and breakdown of companies that have REPORTED their donations.
http://www.uschamber.com/bclc/haiti_corporatedonations.htm

Hollywood raised another 60 Million for Haiti from US citizens.
(Unfortunately that from what I heard that money went straight to the IMF,unless someone can provide me more infor on where the money actually went to Im going to stick by that comment...for now.)

White House links and numbers on REPORTED relief to Haiti and the REAL FACTS about the US haitian relief effort.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/haitiearthquake
And well you all get the idea that the supposed number of only 20 Million posted by Simon is a TOTALLY incorrect number.
If I find more links to actual FACTS I will post.

Peace and prayers for the living and the dead in Haiti.

 

. (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 10:43 am
Ohhh June just posted an EXCELLENT thread that supports the purpose for US troops being in Haiti.
Everybody check it out!
http://www.care2.com/news/member/830646067/1374221

Its about the Hoodlums Raping women and youg girls after the earthquake.
Thank you June for pointing this out.
 

Joseph A. (5)
Sunday February 7, 2010, 8:07 am
are troops don't need to be there they need to be home plane and simple first they said they don't send troops now they are saying there are to fight criminals running with an empty box and saying rape stealing from women and children truthfully they are getting the same thing as the rest so who buy's that crap give me a brake I wonder what petition they are try-ing to pull now to make are own country unsafe and stripped to for fill there evil of taking it over
 
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