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New York Times Opinion on Michael Brown Is Outrageous in My Opinion


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Ashley
- 28 days ago - washingtonpost.com
The New York times says he was no angel. So what is the implication that he deserved to die because he MIGHT have stolen cigars, might have drank, and might have used marijuana? Continued in comment down below.



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Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 1:17 pm
The implication seems to be that if a teenager does anything bad, that they deserve to die. This is outrageous. the MOST that police have been able to say is that MAYBE Michael Brown stole cigars, is that worth someone's life? I thought in the United States we put people in jail for shoplifting or stealing. I didn't think it merited the death penalty.

Warning to all teenagers. Apparently in the New York Time's mind, if you ever try drugs, drink, or screw up like most people do in their lives, we aren't angels.

Well you know what, I don't think the New York Times is an angel. In fact, at the moment I"m rather DAMN proud not to have a subscription. You can agree or disagree at first. I'm just extremely heated at the moment.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday August 25, 2014, 1:24 pm
And he may have paid for those cigars, too - since the video was edited, we don't really know - and since Michael's parents were denied viewing of that video, they don't really know either. Then, of course, we aren't sure that police officer even knew about the cigars - sounds more likely he was just going to give some black boys some trouble. If we shot every teen who smoked pot, drank or stole anything, we'd hardly have any kids left. Just as they did with Trayvon Martin, it's character assassination in an effort to justify murder.
 

JL A. (275)
Monday August 25, 2014, 1:26 pm
The staff and owner of the store, via their attorney, issued a statement that he had paid for the cigars. Apparently NYT no longer requires op-ed writers to fact check what they claim is factual--so they are left with the profile of the majority of teens in this country who have at least tried marijuana and alcohol and at times may talk or write with vulgarities. So we believe up to 90% of the next generation can be killed with impugnity now?
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 2:08 pm
Yes, he also listed to vulgar music. Well I guess the New York Times wants most of anyone under 30 to be killed. I mean... he's horrible! He got into trouble list most teenagers do at some point.

I wonder if I would measure up to the New York Time's standards for "angels." I've never drank. I've never done drugs. I don't smoke. I"m White (which I'm sure they would give me bonus points for). But now, I have lost any respect I had for them as a newspaper and I will do my best to inform everyone about this FILTH they saw fit to print.
 

Sue Matheson (71)
Monday August 25, 2014, 2:43 pm
thanks
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Monday August 25, 2014, 2:54 pm
I thought the original NYT piece was misguided and used terms that were inappropriate. Aren't most human beings wherever they live prone to making a few mistakes,some significant? I saw an interview with his Mom which had to be excruciating for her, and she admitted that he wasn't a perfect human beings and she was the right person to say that and maybe only her and/or her husband.

He didn't deserve his fate, I think most thinking people know that. We need to stop worrying about what music people listen to as much as their right to listen to it without being labeled and then shot down by the authorities when they get even slightly out of line..
 

Roberto M. (56)
Monday August 25, 2014, 4:47 pm
I guess the Death Penalty is now required for a teen who makes normal teenage decisions. The NYT has turned into a rag. Thanks Ashley!
 

Sandi C. (236)
Monday August 25, 2014, 5:03 pm
noted.
 

Kathleen Mireault (53)
Monday August 25, 2014, 5:12 pm
Noted, with steam coming out of both ears! Great post, Ashley.The Grey Lady deserves your wrath for this bit of "journalistic" slime! She has mine, too, for whatever that's worth. Blessings...
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Monday August 25, 2014, 5:17 pm
So we can only complain and question if an unarmed person gets killed by the police if they are a "perfect angel"? Are there ANY human beings that don't have flaws or have never made any mistakes? If perfection is the criteria for being safe from the police, we are ALL in danger!
 

Dave C. (214)
Monday August 25, 2014, 5:25 pm
I guess only "perfect people" deserve to be alive and that any cop (or even neighborhood vigilante as in murder of Trayvon Martin) can be judge, jury, and executioner.....NYT disappoints....
 

Gloria picchetti (291)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:14 pm
Michael's murder has been a social media platform for hate.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:26 pm
Precisely. I don't know about you guys, but when they say, "He wasn't a perfect angel," that seems like an attempt to justify the police officer's actions. For all I know, the police officer may declared innocent.

But if this is the standard for whether or not someone deserves to live, well I guess I"m dead. I sometime listen to "vulgar" music. You know pretty much anything in the top forty is probably vulgar to whoever wrote this.
 

Dandelion G. (382)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:28 pm
I did a little research on the web......

- Two in three U.S. adults drink alcohol.

Thirty-eight percent of Americans admit to having tried marijuana. That is admit. As it is still illegal in most places in the USA I'm sure the statistic would be higher.

That is a lot of people......should we line them all up to be executed? Smacks of ISIS I'd say. This is the slippery slope societies can go down.

Cigars of a value of $47 taken without a weapon is considered petty theft. Not making excuses if he indeed took them without paying, in this economy, it pushes people to do things they might not otherwise do. Money is hard to come by for a lot of people.

Then according to JL A she has read where the store owner states via an attorney he had PAID for those cigars. So why isn't Faux News and the rest pounding away on that bit of information. You see once a lie begins to be promoted, it takes on a life of it's own.

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain

Music is a personal choice....certainly doesn't make you a saint nor a sinner either way. Is like people watch various movies and television programs.....just because they watch or listen to something doesn't make them anything in particular.

The REAL DEAL......is to cover the white cops rear end and make this black boy look like a thug. No sympathy for thugs right?

This is the same crap that goes on when women get raped, too many want to victimize the victim. She should not of worn that outfit, she was drinking, she was in a house where marijuana was being used, she should of been home by that hour, why did she shouldn't been walking alone......she shouldn't of done this or that, so if that is the case, it's okay she got raped. Right? Wrong. She had a crime committed upon her and it is the same with this young man.

He was walking, unarmed, in broad daylight to his grandmothers home. The Police Chief, has already said on the news, after much time went by, that the officer had NO knowledge of anything that took place in the store concerning cigars. As it turns out, why would he, there was no crime according to the store owner.

So, it leaves to question, why did Darren Wilson even bother to stop the car when he saw Michael Brown? In the USA we should have the rights to walk down a street without being stopped by the police and we also do have the right not to be shot 6 times while our hands are in the air for surrender on most of those bullets. I do say we, because I AM Michael Brown......You are Michael Brown. When walking down the street, unarmed, can get you killed by the Police it is a sad day, a troubling day, for ALL of us.

That there are so many people who call themselves Americans and can't see that fact is even more troubling. People are too caught up in the hate that is seething in this Country, be it at blacks or Muslims, gays, or anyone else they don't find fits in their neat little viewfinder.

People need to do some self checking and the media is playing the tune of the Oligarchy and Plutocrats that do love it when we kill each other off and fight among ourselves. It takes the limelight off of their dastardly deeds, and prevents us from all gathering as a unified voice against what they are doing to us. The Vietnam War took all of us, many colors to march in the streets and work together, and whites joined the Civil Rights Movement to push it along, those who are gay got help pushing for their rights by those who were not. So when we all get together, we are strong, the 1%, the Oligarchy, or as I call them, the Greedy Heartless Ones, do not want that to happen.

We play into their hands when we fan the flames of hate.....unfortunately I see it even on here a website set up for "caring".....but for some, it's only IF it falls into what they feel is worth caring about or what so called side they are on for any particular issue.
 

Penny C. (79)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:47 pm
Thanks Ashley.
 

AwayNoMail Plze S. (498)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:04 pm
Noted.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:12 pm
Amazing post Dandelion.
 

Krista Slavin (170)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:18 pm
Noted
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:22 pm
UPDATE: New York Times apologized. They called the "No Angel" remark a blunder.

I don't believe them. Do you? They aren't sorry. They are sorry they got caught.
 

mamabear claw (49)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:28 pm
Melissa Harris-Perry destroys Timeís Joe Kleinís attempt to malign Michael Brown

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/23/1324059/-Melissa-Harris-Perry-destroys-Time-s-Joe-Klein-s-attempt-to-malign-Michael-Brown
 

Catman P. (914)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:31 pm
ty
 

Laura H. (888)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:33 pm
Green stars......
AND love and peace to ALL; love and peace...simple, but without what do we have?!
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:36 pm
Good for Melissa. Thanks Mamabear. Thanks Laura for green stars.
 

Carrie B. (306)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:00 pm
Thank you Ashley. Unfortunately, all the 'mights and might haves' stop when comes to Michael Browns' death. He WAS SHOT and he IS DEAD! No question about that, is there?
 

Dandelion G. (382)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:17 pm
A lot of this "sorry" after they are called out on things. Our traditions tell us, "words have power" and because of that power, one should always choose their words wisely. Too many run their words from their brains out their mouth before checking them out with their hearts. The heart is our guide, the brain malfunctions a lot.

I'm glad he at least said it, but too many speak empty words, one can only hope he truly means it. But only his heart knows that answer and our answer will come by watching how he writes in the future. Actions speak louder than words.

Also, thank you Ashley.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:50 pm
Lol they'd try to say he wasn't dead if there wasn't a funeral today.
 

Mandi T. (427)
Monday August 25, 2014, 9:30 pm
Thank you
 

tasunka m. (334)
Monday August 25, 2014, 9:42 pm
Four hours in the street says everything about the small minded people this country has become.
Great post Dandelion, thanks Ash.
 

Donn M. (1)
Monday August 25, 2014, 10:04 pm
There is absolutely no implication in the article that MIchael Brown deserved to die just because he was "no angel". To imply so is disingenuous at best. It does bring up questions about what kind of behavior he might have been capable of, something it is not unreasonable to consider under the circumstances. If we ever get to know the facts in this case then someday we will know if the officer acted improperly or not. There is no conclusion that can be drawn yet regarding his death, except that it was tragic and a waste of a young life. The truth will bring justice, for this young man, and for the police officer. No matter which way justice happens to turn in this case.
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Monday August 25, 2014, 10:40 pm
If there was justice, he wouldn't be dead. Any of us MIGHT be capable of anything. We do know that the officer was capable of shooting someone six times and leaving their body in the street for four hours though, don't we? But for some reason, the New York Times thought that Michael Brown should have the "cheap shot" taken at him. Why is that?

I'd be more concerned about someone who would leave another person's body rotting for four hours in the street, than I would about some kid that MIGHT have stolen cigars. That's just me.
 

Inge Bjorkman (142)
Monday August 25, 2014, 10:59 pm
This is the real world, who is the terrorist and who is not a terrorist? Which democratic party should be chosen when all are fascists? In Sweden, the same thing happens, the police are militarized and shoot innocent people on the street and in their own homes.

Love
 

AniMae Chi (407)
Monday August 25, 2014, 11:45 pm
It's so tragic!

Thanx Ashley
 

Ondine J. (133)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:27 am
Noted, thanks Ashley, I do agree with you the NYT article is outrageous We mustn't forget that Michael Brown was a black teenager, this in my opinion is very significant in this story.
 

Alan Lambert (93)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:36 am
When did Lush Bimbaugh join the editorial board of the Grey Lady?
 

Val M. (76)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:37 am
I hope this time something good will finally come out of this tragedy. The police everywhere need more training on how to handle tense situations, instead of automatically shooting whenever they think they're possibly being threatened. If you haven't seen the movie, "Fruitvale Station", I recommend it. It's the story of Oscar Grant, who was killed by a cop at a BART station.. I also think cops should be required to have video cameras on their uniforms. Some cities are already doing this.
 

Victoria Oakey (115)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 1:22 am
Noted. Thank you for the information Ashley.
 

Lona Goudswaard (70)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 1:34 am
This is so ridiculous. In mathematics "Teenagers" and "Angels" would be two sets that do not overlap, or just barely for a geek or two. Anyone who has kids that are teenagers, who knows kids that are teenagers or remembers enough of his own time as a teenager, knows that they are no angels. That's the whole point of being one.
 

Alexandra G. (224)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 2:07 am
noted, thanks Ashley
 

Bruce C D. (59)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 2:07 am
A few things about this I noticed. First one is conservatives are defending the NY Times! Don't see that too often. If you think the NY Times article is bad, it doesn't begin to compare with the comments by some conservatives.

The second thing that struck me was the lack of decorum and respect for those grieving in publishing a profile of a pretty typical young man with extraneous unflattering details on the same day his death is being memorialized.

Another thing that stood out is the way the NY Times profile of the officer who shot him published on the same day did NOT contain any unflattering details.

While the NY Times profile of Brown was overall generally sympathetic, the whole "no angel" paragraph was over the top. It's inclusion in the article and the timing of publication was insensitive. Brown was a typical teenager, and it should have been left at that. I would expect the NY Times to know better than to run profiles of both the victim and the shooter and include the peccadillos of the deceased African-American but omit any for the Caucasian responsible for his demise. The NY Times also had to have been aware of the despicable attempts to portray Brown as a thug, and that they were giving ammunition to the racists. Most importantly, it isn't germane--none of it justifies Brown being gunned down when unarmed.
 

Arild Warud (166)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 4:29 am
With so many brilliant comments I can only ask:Haven't we all been young and done things we regret???
 

Lauren Kozen (159)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 4:34 am
Noted & Shared. Thanks Ashley.
 

Tina Knight (41)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 6:02 am
Noted x
 

Winn Adams (192)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 6:36 am
Michael Brown was murdered by the police. That's it in a nut shell. The NY Times article is disgusting.
 

Heidi Walderra (139)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 6:47 am
Noted and shared
 

Robert B. (57)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 6:49 am
Brown was shown on the video of paying for the cigars. Why he pushed the clerk as he was leaving is not clear. Shame on the Police for editing the video so that it would appear that he stole the cigars. Shame on the News media for not questioning the motives of the authorities and taking them at face value. New outlets are totally incompetent AND LAZY if they do not CHECK THE FACTS.
Police departments need to train their officers on how to handle civilians without resorting to deadly force.
 

Val R. (243)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 8:09 am
Noted - thanks Ashley - this is all a mess - still billions and pony back a little - steal a cigarette and get short in the head - justice?
 

Barry T. (859)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 8:21 am
Noted. Thanks Ashley.

Unfortunately it is just more of the same. Victimize the victim (which has the effect of, to one degree or another, suggesting that the perpetrator was justified ...)

People - including, perhaps especially newspapermen and women and editors - surely need to think about the implications and ramifications of what they say - and HOW THEY SAY IT!
 

Ashley heffner (458)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 9:11 am
Lol angels and teenagers do not overlap. Brilliant..
 

Joan AWAY McAllister (1083)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:27 pm
This is just one of many injustices happening in the US, this young man should not be dead, and those responsible should be held accountable. As for the New York Times, there apologies are to little to late.
 

Angelika Kempter (85)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:48 pm
Thank you Ashley
 

l.r perry (41)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 1:19 pm
I find this type of propaganda very disturbing particularly as a way to justify shooting a teenager to death. No one should be sentenced to death for any of these things! And the last time i looked we have a justice system to determine the punishment, this is not the mandate of an out of control, militarized police force!
 

Janis K. (101)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 3:48 pm
Thanks Ashley
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 5:38 pm
He was left in the street for hours not even covered with a sheet like he was garbage.

That s outrageous
 

Julie C. (18)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 7:07 pm
I'm late to the discussion and I didn't read the other comments, which I usually do because I agree with the mostly very thoughtful and compassionate people here, but I just can't take any more right now. I just wanted to say thank you to Ashley for your initial rant because that's what I did for days about so much. Now I'm just full of sorrow. I'll be back to ranting and ready for action soon and I'm glad I'll be able to come back here and know you guys will all be here caring and sharing.
 

Wolfgang W. (199)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 9:57 pm
Is the New York Times really so important ?
 

SusanAWAYaWEEK Allen (221)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 9:57 pm
Noted and shared. There were many very good comments made here. I'm just disgusted about the whole situation, as well as so many other things happening in this country. I was spending a lot of time on twitter during much of the Ferguson outrages and found it very interesting getting minute by minute updates and Livestream video as things were going down. Certainly didn't see much, if any, of it on mainstream media of any kind.

My heart aches for people of color in my country; in fact my heart aches for my country and the very sad state it finds itself in. I keep wondering how much longer things can go on like this? Will things get worse? How much worse? Will it take a revolution?
 

Betsy Bee (1061)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 11:56 pm
Thank you, Ashley. I wish to echo Inge's comment.
 

Armando Jimenez (0)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 7:22 am
Agree
 
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