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Miichael Moore Takes on the Westboro Baptist Church


Offbeat  (tags: activists, gayrights, rights, politics, education, off-beat )

Gene
- 343 days ago - samuel-warde.com
This is not new, but it is still certainly relevant since they are still out there doing what they do. The least forgiving church I have ever had the misfortune of being aware of. This is just a really clever story, very funny, and still relevant.



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Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday May 10, 2013, 8:25 am
Dang, and there I go misspelling his name! I've been sick all week is my only excuse, whooping cough for the second time in 3 years. Which is why I've been so quiet, here, at home I'm pretty loud. I hope you enjoy the clip. It is humor but the topic is not. I am not gay but I know many people, wonderful people, who are and I support this idea with all of my heart.

My own state, Minnesota, passed a Gay Marriage bill in the House yesterday, Monday, the Senate will take it up and they support it as well and our Governor has promised to sign it. So, in that graph in the clip, you can cross Minnesota off. I'm pretty sure.
 

Esther Z. (101)
Friday May 10, 2013, 8:54 am
Lol...pretty funny! I do think the Sodomobile should had been painted lavender instead of pink, and I must say, Phelps's sunglasses were some kind of fabulous and pretty damn gay!
 

Gloria picchetti (279)
Friday May 10, 2013, 8:55 am
I haven't had time to see all his films but I love Michael Moore. I hope Minnesota passes gay marriage.
 

Dave C. (204)
Friday May 10, 2013, 9:06 am
thanks for putting a little laughter in my day.
 

Linda McKellar (180)
Friday May 10, 2013, 9:40 am
Michael knows the right approach for every circumstance. Fight with humour and you win. Fight with hate and you lose!
 

pam w. (187)
Friday May 10, 2013, 9:54 am
First...Gene...I hope you get well soon!

Secondly...thanks for the clip! Michael Moore is a treasure...even when I disagree with him, I love his courage and willingness to stand on his beliefs.
 

pam w. (187)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:10 am
PS...I would've paid a LOT for the chance to ride along on the SODOMOBILE!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:14 am
Hi my friend, so sorry to hear you've been ill, I hope that you're soon back to your 'loud' self. ;-)

Thanks for the story, I justg started watching the video, and I'm laughing already. Brilliant!

Hope that Minnesota passes that gay marriage bill, I agree with you that this is about human rights, plain and simple (or rather, bling & pink!) ;-)
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:21 am
Michael manages to get his point across every time. He appears so normal, but he's sharp as a tack. I've said before but I think every Congress should be made to watch his Sicko EVERY year until they pass single payer health care. His movie Bowling for Columbine for which he won numerous awards was just wonderful. There was this ridiculous bank in Michigan (where he is from) that was giving away rifles with new accounts, he went and got one, hilarious, scary at the same time. He is very much out in front on a lot of issues. A good man.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:22 am
I agree, Pam, I think that would have been a LOT of fun riding around in that SODOMOBILE. He's not always subtle but he is usually right!
 

john casablanca (11)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:34 am
TERRIFIC !!!! Wish Michael would come to Texas, especially Austin, where 'SLICK RICK" Perry resides.
John C./Houston, Tx.
 

Chris C. (131)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:37 am
Love me some Michael Moore!
It is SO heartbreaking that these crazed people pickett funerals! And they are indoctrinating their children. Now, to me, that is a major offense!
That crazy pastor looks like the devil!
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:46 am
When there is no more need for the Sodomobile (that is when all people are treated equally and accorded equal rights in all things), I hope the Sodomobile is given a place of importance and honour in the Smithsonian.

Love Michael Moore --- he is a national treasure. The voice of reason in an unreasonable world!

Gene, hope you're feeling better soon. Pertussis is nothing to play with.
 

Shawna S. (43)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:46 am
lmao...Thanks Gene. I hope you feel better soon.
Too bad the Sodomobile wasn't ongoing...I'd participate just to keep the freedom track moving along. No, I'm not gay, nor can I sing...but I believe in LGBT.
 

Sandi C. (235)
Friday May 10, 2013, 1:21 pm
noted
 

Gina Caracci (230)
Friday May 10, 2013, 1:40 pm
Im not sure what God these cultists are referring too..MY GOD created everyone exactly the way they were supposed to be and loves us all. That they are picketing funerals is disgusting. Didnt they picket the Newport/Boston ones too? SICK

Michael Moore is awesome..Ive only seen bits and pieces of his films and actually thought about him the other day and how I need to sit down and watch them all. Maybe this weekend.

Thanks for the laughs and reminder Gene and you GET WELL SOON!
 

Ron B. (220)
Friday May 10, 2013, 2:19 pm
Ha! Good one, Gene! I'm a big Michael Moore fan but had not seen this before. And don't be a Sicko---get well soon!
 

Yasmeen E. (1)
Friday May 10, 2013, 3:00 pm
noted
 

Aurea Walker (162)
Friday May 10, 2013, 6:58 pm
Dear Gene, get well quickly. You have been missed. Oh that Michael Moore, he is truly brilliant and both his droll as well as in your face humor & sarcasm is Ab Fab! Interesting that all the westboro "women" are so shoddily dressed. But the preacher man is wearing expensive threads? God (if there is one) must be looking down at these mere mortals and laughing at the westboro group! If there is a hell they have an open door with a big welcome mat at the ready for them. The young children being taught this amount of hate is what truly touches my heart the most. I do not think these babies are getting the TLC they need.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday May 10, 2013, 7:31 pm
Thank you, Aurea. I just got a note saying this got a golden note though I'm not sure what that means. I hope more viewers! If you read the gospels, and they are not Jesus words, there is nothing hateful in them. I love the Sermon on the Mount, the healing, loving and teaching love that Jesus did. If he did. I don't care, what is attributed to him is wonderful on its own. And none of it is what this pretend preacher says. If God is our creator, then we were ALL created in his image, so how could ANY of those images be flawed? A perfect creator makes perfect creations. Period. Choosing to set some apart and call them wrong is very human, not very spiritual. Humans do that well, err. God does not. That we are here means we were created and God does not make mistakes, therefore what is here is perfect, whether that fool preacher thinks so or not. I do not believe a loving parent could or would create such a place as hell either, but if one did, I would be happy to take Pastor Phelps by the hand and guide him home. I'm not nearly as nice as our creator who really seems to love diversity since She made SO much of it.
 

Dale O. (177)
Friday May 10, 2013, 8:35 pm
Best Wishes to you Gene J! Humour is always marvellous when trying to cast some light on some of these fundamentalists who refuse to see and accept equality. They need to climb into the 21st century and realize that people are people. Being judgemental and harsh to others is hardly the way to go. Humour at least gives them the mocking that they so richly deserve. There are churches that welcome gay ministers and gay marriages.
 

Dandelion G. (401)
Friday May 10, 2013, 8:37 pm
Linda McKellar well said.

Gene....Be Well my friend. Thanks for the smile.

I'm glad there are more Michael Moore's than this Phelps. I think Phelps better check out his own self before he is passing judgement on who is going to hell or not.

I truly feel sorry for the children being raised to hate like that. What a shame.

Where no one intrudes, many can live in harmony. - Chief Dan George

 

Laurie H. (673)
Friday May 10, 2013, 9:05 pm
Please recover & be well Gene!!! Thank you for this story & the many smiles too! Love Michael Moore and I hope Gay Marriage support will continue through the entire nation & be passed!!! For Heaven sake, it's about time!!!` Take care Gene & So Many Thanks !!!!~
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:24 pm
Hi again, Gene. The 'golden note' you asked about?

It means that your story has been 'promoted' to the Front Page of Care2 news, where it will be seen by more people. I just saw it there, in the 'Offbeat' section, bottom right.

http://www.care2.com/news/

However they don't stay there very long, the news moves fast here.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:28 pm
I really enjoyed the video, although of course it will not change the views of those people - I doubt that anything could do that. But at least it might give confidence to the gay people who feel lost and alone, when they are faced with that kind of bigotry and hate..

I was so sad to see the little children already programmed to be bigots themselves.

As Nelson Mandela said:

"No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."
 

Gayle R. (27)
Friday May 10, 2013, 10:54 pm
Someone needs to ask ol' Fred if he's gay. They say we hate most in others that which we fear in ourselves. I believe Fred is very afraid of himself.
 

John B. (215)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 4:21 am
"You cannot currently send a star to Gene because you have done so within the last day."
Gene, I would send a hundred of those green celestial bodies if I could! Thanks so much for posting the link to the wonderful video clip as i had not seen this before. Viewed and proudly noted.
 

Don H. (39)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 7:27 am
Thank you, Gene, for your efforts on behalf of civil rights.

I hope you feel better now. I have never had whooping cough. Doesn't sound like much fun.
 

Elizabeth Pugliese (8)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 7:34 am
I don't always agree with Michael Moore, but this was great. He is right, the answer to hate speech is counter speech, not tearing up the First Amendment.
 

Arthur Riding (32)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 7:57 am
What a great clip Gene and well done the marvellous Michael Moore. I am just so sad though, not that people like Fred Phelps exist as there are deeply psychologically disturbed people everywhere who really belong in mental hospitals, but that Phelps is just the tip of an iceberg of prejudice. I do understand that some people always want to blame someone else for their own inadequacies and failures and the easiest way to do that is to pick on the vulnerable and 'different' in society - though even the vulnerable can sometimes fight back. But what is so disturbing is how schizophrenic these people like Phelps and the anti-LGBT people are. They say they believe in a Christian God yet their behaviour is the very antithesis of Christianity. They say Christian but they act like the Devil himself (herself?) and there are millions like that across the USA – very weird.
I understand that decades ago there was a conference in the US of senior doctors trying to define the word 'clinical madness'. Apparently the first few definitions they came up with had to be eventually discarded when someone pointed out that the majority of people in the US (no doubt other countries too) would actually be defined as 'mad'. The final definition was considerably toned down but maybe the earlier definitions were more accurate!
 

Terrie Williams (753)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 8:58 am
Heh heh heh, love me some Michael. Thanks Gene, feel better my friend.
 

Cindy Rhodes (109)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 1:53 pm
I think that some of these protesters probably had one of the most fun filled days in a while, I thoroughly enjoyed this Michael Moore delivers again!! Thank you Gene!!! I also think Gayle has a point!! Get Well Soon Gene!!
 

Joanne Dixon (34)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 4:28 pm
Arthur R, if I can mention real Christanity as opposed to these plastic imitations (apologies to plastic for the insult to plastic), in the 18th century a poet named Christopher Smart was locked up in an asylum for more or less randomly falling on his knees and starting to pray wherever he happened to be. The great Samuel Johnson remarked, "Now although, rationally speaking, it is greater madness not to pray at all, than to pray as Smart did, I am afraid there are so many who do not pray, that their understanding is not called in question." Which was kind of a nice way of saying the inmates were running the asylum then already. Or at least having trouble defining insanity.
 

Robert Hamm (39)
Saturday May 11, 2013, 9:20 pm
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH Gene. Good work buddy. I enjoyed it. Hope yer over the crud now.
 

Sarah MacDonald (31)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 9:28 am
I love the Sodomobile!
 

Robert O. (12)
Sunday May 12, 2013, 1:34 pm
Good one Gene. Thanks. Best to you.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:45 am
I'm glad everyone enjoyed this! No, still not over the crud, pertussis takes 3 weeks to work out of your system, so better and coughing less but a ways to go yet. Michael can be over the top in his approaches but he doesn't get the facts wrong and if you underestimate him, you are in for it because he will make his point even if you are the butt of it, so to speak.
 

Dandelion G. (401)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:59 am
I also liked how the persona bought the house across the street and painted it the gay pride colors.
Gay Pride Flag Colors House Painted Across From Westboro Church
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:49 am
That's priceless, Dandelion! Though one wonders how long the town will allow him to keep it that way, for the moment it is very appropriate, even the Church seems to think so. Publicly anyway. I really don't understand how they can maintain that level of hate without it corroding them from within. Though they like to quote scripture, they'll never find a passage that says to do what they do. All over the country.
 

Betty Conway (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:46 am
My daughter and her partner have been together for 25 years , married (thank you MASSACHUSETTS!) for seven yrs this August. They are two of the most wonderful people you would ever hope to meet. You would be so lucky to call them "friend". They are everything any parent could hope for. Kind, generous, helpful, always ready to go the extra mile for anyone that needs their help. Jesus and his father did a really good thing when he sent them to Planet Earth.
 

tiffany t. (148)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:57 pm
thank you for the link, it is very sad that they believe that AIDS is great and they mock people at funerals, I could not approach people spewing that kind of filth and remain call, I would become the demon they preach about and I am heterosexual
 

tiffany t. (148)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:58 pm
*calm*
 

Kathy Crews (71)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:26 pm
That was great!!! So glad that you shared that...can't believe that I haven't seen that before. It is just so sad to see the children that are in the middle of that being taught such hatred. Just makes me sad....this is why nothing will ever change here in the US because hatred is bred...over and over again from parent to child. Endless cycle.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 2:35 pm
SODOMY LAWS, from Wikipedia:
In 1778, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy, however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.

Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state, punished by a lengthy term of imprisonment and/or hard labor. In that year, the Model Penal Code (MPC) — developed by the American Law Institute to promote uniformity among the states as they modernized their statutes — struck a compromise that removed consensual sodomy from its criminal code while making it a crime to solicit for sodomy. In 1962 Illinois adopted the recommendations of the Model Penal Code and thus became the first state to remove criminal penalties for consensual sodomy from its criminal code,[3] almost a decade before any other state.[citation needed] Over the years, many of the states that did not repeal their sodomy laws had enacted legislation reducing the penalty. At the time of the Lawrence decision in 2003, the penalty for violating a sodomy law varied very widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction among those states retaining their sodomy laws. The harshest penalties were in Idaho, where a person convicted of sodomy could earn a life sentence. Michigan followed, with a maximum penalty of 15 years imprisonment while repeat offenders got life. This was later invalidated in the case of Michigan Organization for Human Rights v. Kelly (1987).

By 2002, 36 states had repealed their sodomy laws or their courts had overturned them. By the time of the 2003 Supreme Court decision, the laws in most states were no longer enforced or were enforced very selectively. The continued existence of these rarely enforced laws on the statute books, however, was often cited as justification for discrimination against gay men and lesbians.

On June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down the Texas same-sex sodomy law, ruling that this private sexual conduct is protected by the liberty rights implicit in the due process clause of the United States Constitution. This decision invalidated all state sodomy laws insofar as they applied to noncommercial conduct in private between consenting civilians and reversed the Court's 1986 ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick that upheld Georgia's sodomy law.

Before that 2003 ruling, 27 states, the District of Columbia, and 4 territories had repealed their sodomy laws by legislative action, 9 states had had them overturned or invalidated by state court action, 4 states still had same-sex sodomy laws, and 10 states, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. military had laws applying to all regardless of gender. In 2005 Puerto Rico repealed its sodomy law, in 2006 Missouri repealed its law against "homosexual conduct", and in 2013 Montana removed "sexual contact or sexual intercourse between two persons of the same sex" from its definition of deviate sexual conduct. Three states have yet to repeal such laws: Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas.
 

Erika M. (207)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 2:39 pm
That was awesome. Thank you for sharing it. Westboro, to my knowledge seems to have given up the gay fight and moved on to towns affected by natural disasters like tornados.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 3:03 pm
YAY! for Michael Moore, a great and long-time Gay Ally!
I love, "Sodom Is For Lovers".
I also LOVE where the "family" and the Gays are SINGING TOGETHER - "remix!" - even if it's different words!

This video REALLY makes us see how far we've come!
All State Sodomy Laws were made NULL AND VOID by the Supreme Court ruling in 2003, Lawrence v. Texas.
The Supreme Court ruling of course superseded all State laws, as in all Civil Rights cases.
Some States, however, still have {un-enforceable} Sodomy Laws on their books. Virginia apparently is one, and the current Governor wants to revive it! {It is not mentioned in the Wikipedia article.}

We have actually seen less and less of that open street violence - it is simply not socially acceptable now, among much of the younger generation. {It is less open and more sneaky.}

And, for those of you who worry about "the young kids being taught to hate" at the Westboro Baptist Church - the GOOD news, is, that a lot of those little kids you see, when grown up they OPENLY BROKE WITH THE CHURCH and have spoken out in no uncertain terms, CONDEMNING IT!!!!!
I'm not sure how many of them, but SEVERAL. Of course, I don't know specifically WHICH of those kids you see in 1999, grew up several years later to leave the family Cult.
First an older brother left, then he helped younger ones to leave. Those kids, as you can imagine, were psychologically abused, too. So, brainwashing doesn't always stick!

Very sorry to hear of your whooping cough, Gene. My {grown-up} daughter has just gotten over the chickenpox! These illnesses aren't always "childhood" ones, and can be more serious in an adult.
Take care, Gene, and so glad you're doing better!
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 3:29 pm
Comedian John Fugelesang, on How the NRA is like the Westboro Baptist Church:

Maybe you’re someone who, like the majority of Americans, supports the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms, but you feel kind of creepy about the weapons-grade cretins who run the NRA and do all they can to keep Americans safe from any gun laws that might keep Americans safe.

Well, you’re not alone. And this is why: loving the Second Amendment while opposing the NRA is every bit as natural as loving Jesus while opposing Westboro Baptist Church.

In fact, Wayne LaPierre’s fake constitutional rights lobbying group that gun manufacturers use to buy off congressmen actually has quite a bit in common with the revoltingly fake Christians of Westboro.

You see, Westboro is to Christianity what Jesus was to ignorance, hatred and inbreeding. They travel the country holding these vile, un-Christian protests at the funerals of anyone evil enough to live in a land that doesn’t stone gay people to death, Leviticus-style. They don’t want to hate gays — they’re just doing it because God commands them and they’re only following orders. It’s like Nuremberg, but with very bad teeth.

These guys don’t picket outside gay bars or gay bathhouses or gay dance clubs or Lindsey Graham’s Senate office. Just places guaranteed to cause the most outrage possible – like funerals. Then when someone tries to stifle them, they engage in First Amendment lawsuits.

Then you’ve got the NRA. And please understand, when we talk about the NRA, we’re not talking about their members. In Frank Luntz’s 2012 poll of NRA members, 87 percent said they believed Second Amendment freedom went hand in hand with preventing gun violence. That’s responsibility.

But you wouldn’t know that from the group’s leaders. Under the stewardship of Wayne LaPierre, or as I call him, “Il Wayne,” the NRA has become the front for gun manufacturers, the guys who’ve cashed in big time since Newtown. They’re the reason why in America it’s now easier for a civilian to buy lots of weapons designed to kill lots of people really fast than it is for you to remember your old MySpace password.

But while they’re protecting profits, they’re also juicing up profits through fear-mongering mailings about how Obama’s coming to confiscate your weapons.

Here’s a little tip, Skeeter: The fact that you’re able to heavily arm yourself while publicly calling Obama a gun-grabbing tyrant is pretty much proof that he’s not.

By opposing background checks at gun shows — checks supported by 90 percent of Americans — the NRA guarantees that guns can be legally bought through the gun-show loophole by felons or third parties who sell to felons. And then those legal guns just kind of disappear, get sold a few more times, and when the cops recover those weapons years later from a killing that wiped out a playground full of kids, the NRA can say, “Look, illegal guns! Background checks wouldn’t have stopped anything.” See, who needs the black market when you’ve ensured that bad guys can get guns freely on the open market?

Background checks only infringe on your Second Amendment rights if you’re a felon, a terrorist or criminally insane. And if you’re all three, you probably already work as an NRA lobbyist. It’s all about the money.

Westboro ignores the teachings of Jesus and takes one line of Leviticus out of context to justify their homophobic evil.

The NRA ignores the Second Amendment’s “well regulated militia” part and takes one line out of context to justify their blood-soaked greed.

Homophobia is an insult to God, and opposing gun safety is an insult to living people.

These groups are both rackets and they’re both doomed. Because the WBC has made untold Americans realize, “Hey, I don’t want to be like that.” And Wayne LaPierre’s complete indifference to the consequences of gun proliferation makes more NRA members realize every day, “Dude, maybe I’m OK with my own penis size.”
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BMutiny: Yes, I think the Westboro Baptist Church really HAS HELPED the Gay Cause!!! in the long run.
' Because the WBC has made untold Americans realize, “Hey, I don’t want to be like that.”'

And, it's my impression the WBC in its public presence is growing smaller, not larger...
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Thursday May 16, 2013, 5:24 am
Well the good news all, and especially BMutiny is that my state did become the 12th to ratify gay marriage this week, takes effect 8/1. The group most vocal in supporting the new law is now turning their attention to fund-raising for those who voted for it as there will be some backlash certainly. Glad to hear the young ones leaving Westboro. They like to parade them, but it is good to know they get past the brainwashing as they grow up and learn what the world is really like!

Yeah, those childhood vaccinations don't last forever. I am getting better but whooping cough takes 3 weeks to run its course and I am just over half way through so still not doing much but sleep - the only time I really sleep well is when I'm sick. This is the second time I've had this in the last 3 years, so not happy about that, I might need another of those shots! Cuz this is no fun at all! I did hear yesterday of someone who'd just had chicken pox too, as an adult.
 

Dandelion G. (401)
Thursday May 16, 2013, 5:37 am
If you've had the whooping cough once already a few years ago you should of built up a new immunity, no?
Hang in there Gene, do what you have been doing resting, and drink fluids, lots of them. Make sure you get plenty of Vitamin C up to 5000 mg per day.

I'm glad to hear that the people are fundraising for those who voted for a postive change. We must remember not to leave those who stick their heads out in the lurch. Even a thank you card with some encouragement is appreciated by those who serve.
 

Richard E Cooley (0)
Thursday May 16, 2013, 10:37 am
Thank you Gene.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Thursday May 16, 2013, 3:22 pm
That was my thinking too, Sheryl. I thought I'd never get it again. But twice now, I am pretty sure the other one was two years ago this past January. Next time I see my doctor I am going to ask him about getting another vaccination because doing this every couple years for however long I have is not something I want to do, it takes 3 full weeks to finish with you. Ugly little bug it is. And around more often I've read, these days, a friend looked it up at the CDC site and sent me a link. I know more than I want to now, lol. But as I'd already lived it wasn't unduly surprised.

I was glad too that the reform groups moved right on to fund raising for those who voted for this important new law, they will definitely be challenged, some of them, in the next election. So preparing now is a good idea, that was nice to read. And important.
 

Kayleigh Harter (9)
Thursday May 16, 2013, 3:28 pm
Love MIchael Moore, but haven't seen this particular film. Thanks for sharing!
 
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