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Saudis Say Syria Death Toll May Be 90,000: Kerry


World  (tags: Syria, deaths, civil war )

Stan
- 666 days ago - dawn.com
WASHINGTON: US Secretary of State John Kerry said on Thursday the death toll in Syria may have reached 90,000, citing figures given to him by his Saudi counterpart Prince Saud al-Faisal.



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Stan B. (122)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 1:14 am
90000 dead, many more injured and millions of refugees and the world does nothing. WHY????
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (394)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 1:22 am
This is a real tragedy and I don't understand why the world just stands by and does nothing! I guess we are all talk about human suffering but actually no action!
 

David E. (91)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 2:24 am
We have an addition problem.If Assad wins it will strengthen Iran, the Hezbollah and their terrorist proxies. If the "rebels"win it will strengthen the Islamists, including Al Qa'ida, and there will be a bloodbath against the minorities who support Assad (remember, he protected the Alawites, the Christians, and the Druze all who are considered the enemies of Islam). For the West, Israel, and the moderates in the Middle east its a lose/lose situation and there is not much anyone can do about it. This is tribal/sectarian warfare and that'show it works. Remember the breakup of Yugoslavia? Same idea, so stop expecting everyone to live by your morals and ethics.
 

Carla L. (130)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 3:09 am
sad and senseless deaths, stop the killings, can not understand why nations do not step in and help
 

David E. (91)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 3:27 am
Help whom? Assad kill the Islamists or the Islamists kill the minorities (see my entry above)? Either way it is a bloodbath.
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 4:04 am
History repeatedly illustrates that in Islamic lands there are apparently just 3 options. Either there is a military dictatorship or an Islamic dictatorship or a period of flux during which various religious and other groups run around fighting for power and killing each other. Syria is in the third phase. If any of our experts in Washington and elsewhere would take a little time to study the Koran and the Hadiths they would discover that the concept of “Islamic Democracy” is right up there in the top ten of the world’s greatest contradictions in terms. Islam is unashamedly a fundamentalist religion (in other words one whose religious texts are not open to creative interpretation) and the Western liberal politicians’ vain hopes that some miraculous Islamic reformation is taking place that will permit democracy is nothing more than a pathetic pipe dream.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 7:03 am
Really really sad!! The worst ones to suffer are the kids and the women and the Christians!! God Help Them...because no one else can! I think those in the White House are probably enjoying watching this massacre also! It seems every kind of war action Obama likes to get his hands in it!
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 7:11 am
True believers in Islam also believe that if they die as ?martyrs? (by killing Americans, Jews and other bad Muslims) than they will get a fast ticket to Muslim Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 prepubescent boys "to do with them as they please". Considering that under Islam a man can have up to 4 wives at the time, and one needs money for getting married, rich old men had taken all the young girls (pedophilia is also legal under sharia) so there is not much left for young horny men who are taught by Qur'an that they are superior to non-Muslims and that is OK to murder Kuffir (derogatory name Muslims use for non-Muslims).

Thus many of those 90,000 dead in Syria are in their Muslim paradise especially if they were fighting Assad forces who are more secular that those "freedom fighters". Naturally, when 9 Turks died because they tried to kill Israeli soldiers who tried to prevent them from entering Gaza strip by boat in 2009, the whole hell broke loose, because it was Israelis who did the killing (in self-defense from clubs and knives). When thousands and millions die the most gruesome death by the Muslim hand (including most terrorist acts), nobody pays attention.

If Assad falls, Syrian Christians are doomed, just as the Christians anywhere in the Muslim majority countries since Arab spring brought Islamists to power. They are the true representatives of Islam, which is anyting BUT a "peaceful religion" since sward rules! The politically correct bleeding heart Westerners are deluded when they believe that Islam is just like any other religion: It is NOT!

Unlike other religions, Islam is incompatible with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and that is why many Muslim organizations in the West are trying to subvert US Constitution and UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Barack Hussein Obama had been living up to his middle name and had given access and money to the Muslim Brotherhood which is the promoter of supremacist ideology of Islam, including its delusional Jew hatred. If John Brennan, another supporter of Islamists becomes a head of CIA, we are even more in danger from Islamists.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 8:06 am
Well, there must be a source we could actually believe. The Saudis and their pets the Muslim Brotherhood are backing this revolution in order to establish another Sunni Sharia state, so they can't be trusted on anything.

Now today we read on Al Aribiya that Obama is considering more overt aid to these Islamist hatemongering 'rebels' just like he supported them in Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya. He doesn't care a whit for all the religious minorities which will be exterminated or driven out by these Orthodox Muslim fanatics. He only cares about helping true Islam to conquer the world.

His actions speak very loudly and our ignorant media turns a blind to his outrageous Islamicization of the US government on every level and his loyal support of the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood when all other western leaders have backed off once they saw what they were really up to. Now he's trying to install a Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas/Saudi lover as CIA director!!! You better start learning which direction Mecca is in.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 8:17 am
"“I want to learn from the secretary general what he thinks we can do… to try to change President Assad’s calculations, to stop the bloodshed and begin a peaceful political transition towards a democratic future,” Kerry said."

Why doesn't he mention the Saudi-backed revolutionaries too? They have already been ethnically cleansing Christians - over 90% of them have been driven out of Homs. Shias and Alawites will be slaughtered or driven out too. Where is Obama's and Kerry's outrage over these atrocities? Why didn't Kerry tell the Saudis to quit funding those rebels and there wouldn't even be a war killing all those people?

I used to like Kerry until he showed his true colours and joined Obama in his quest to aid the Saudis and Muslim Brotherhood in conquering another country for Sharia rule and oppression. And the stupid media follows right along, never having an independent thought on anything they aren't spoonfed by the administration. Whatever happened to real journalism?
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 9:27 am
Where are the UN Peacekeeping forces?
 

David E. (91)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 9:48 am
The UN Peacekeeping Forces are in Lebanon "peacekeeping" by allowing the Hezbollah to rearm (against a UN resolution) while complaining to Israel regarding surveillance overflights to keep an eye on Hezbollah who not only supports Assad and Iran,but constantly threatens Israel with the weapons it smuggles in.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 10:33 am
Anybody who extolls Islam and Qur'an and disses Bible is either delusional or power hungry monster, mjust as Mohamed was who was a pedophile, polygamist, misogynist, rapist and murderer who in any decent society would be tried for his crimes and not emulated as a role model by 1,500 millions of Muslims around the world, 20% of whom (300 millions) are crazy enough to murder and die for Allahu Akbar.

Ideology of Islam is similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including its delusional Jew hatred, which led to WWII and murder of 6 millions of Jews of Europe, which are now by millions of Muslims who despise their host countries but live on the dole and plot how to destroy those countries just as Islamists everywhere have a delusion of murdering all the Jews and looting what Jews had built in Israel.

The Muslim brotherhood which has a goal to "infiltrate America and destroy Western civilization from within, to establish the only true religion Islam to rule over all others" is involved in all those "revolutions" backward in time. In an interview with "freedom fighters; in Syria, these Jihadists said that they "will drink Assad and Alawi blood". They are cannibals with modern weapons inspired by Qur'an and its "final prophet" who encourages looting and murder of non-Muslims.

Obama is a traitor of American values and should be tried for his role in the rape and murder of the US ambassador in Libya and for helping terrorist organizations via Muslim Brotherhood.
 

Russell R. (87)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 2:34 pm
Let us make a fair exchange! We will send back all of the muslums, including D Elazar, and they send out all of the Christians, Jews and all others that want to leave and would assimulate to their hosting country and then let continue fighting amongst themselves as they have been doing. If we don't we will be fighting that war on our own home turf. Stop allowing them to come into our countries, into our Universities to learn about Engeneering, Science, Law and etc., because educated them is only backfiring! Their god made them rulers of the desert, so let it be until they are all lead away by moham to paradise!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 2:50 pm
David, in this case I support Assad. Any secular dictator is better than a religious one.

I think Israel should sell weapons to both sides to make it win-win situation.
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 2:53 pm
there can be no mohammedan democracy. democracy is man-made and thusly it's inferior to and must be destroyed by the superior (false) god-made law of shari'a. allah himself made this law to rubberstamp the sexual and moral depravity of his home-boy mohammed (pork be upon him) so all you filthy kuffar apes and pigs just shut up and pay your jizya and hope they let you live.

David E is right there won't be a good outcome either way. too late, far, far too late for any happy endings in syria. you might want to start doing something about the way they're infiltrating and populating YOUR countries and cities, because right now it's syria, this will be eurabian countries in a couple years and obama wants the caliph job i think so "amreeka" is probably next after that.

bend over america. bend over and take it. eurabia's already got their pants around their ankles, you might as well get ready too.
 

Aaron Bouchard (143)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 8:01 pm
Noted thanks
 

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Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:35 am
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Colleen L. (2)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 1:35 pm
So tragic. I understand people don't always work or think together, but seeing these types of numbers 90,000, is disgusting. Why can't people learn to live and just be happy each day they get to live?? What ever happed to the saying to treat others like you want them to treat you?? I pray for Peace.
Thanks Stan
 

Birgit W. (152)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 4:15 pm
Sad. Thanks
 

Deborah W. (6)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 4:21 pm
When is enough enough? In the circle of life it will come around, one country after another, depending on strength and motivation, to our own back door. Are we waiting for that as a trigger to act?
 

marie c. (168)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 4:58 pm
Noted thank you for posting
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Nancy Black (303)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 10:27 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted, shared. Too many people are dying; this is like what happened in Bosnia. Assad is killing his own people. Seems to me that it is worst than the Egyptian battle for independence. At least, their leader didn't kill as many of his people. Difficult times; difficult decisions.
 

Nancy Black (303)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 10:27 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted, shared. Too many people are dying; this is like what happened in Bosnia. Assad is killing his own people. Seems to me that it is worst than the Egyptian battle for independence. At least, their leader didn't kill as many of his people. Difficult times; difficult decisions.
 

Helen Porter (40)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 3:36 am
Why isn't more being done?

Because the world is in financial emergency.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 8:37 am
"History repeatedly illustrates that in Islamic lands there are apparently just 3 options. Either there is a military dictatorship or an Islamic dictatorship or a period of flux during which various religious and other groups run around fighting for power and killing each other."

Sorry to say, but I think Bernard is right. I'm not sure what the world "can" do. The "super powers" are aligned differently on this issue with those who want to supply weapons to either side on opposite poles. This IS the history of the region, complicated by the various sects within Islam, Shiite, Sunni primarily.

"Islamic sects are not simply "denominations," if that word is understood to mean various valid approaches to the same religion. Members of one Islamic group do not usually recognize members of other groups as fellow Muslims, and open conflict between sects is not uncommon."

Iraq is devolving into civil war as I type. The various countries and sects in the region are actively agitating in Syria as well as Iraq according to whatever they believe will suit their own purposes. I don't know what the world can do. It isn't like the rest of the world can go play policeman - we've seen how well that worked in Iraq and Afghanistan, earlier in Iran under the US supported Shah. As much as I want to see the violence end, the only ones who can really do that are the people themselves in that region. No outside imposed solution will ever be accepted. This conflict has existed in that region forever, long before Islam existed, and since Islam came into being, it hasn't gotten any better. What it does speak to, to me, is the danger inherent in making ANY religion the basis of government. I believe government must be secular and religion private and exercised privately, sort of the way we do it here in the US. But Islam doesn't favor that, they want religious based governments, which to me leads only to eternal conflict. Our founding fathers were wiser than they sometimes seemed in devising our form of government and our constitution. Secular government is the only thing that protects all people equally. Well, except for women and girls, also the world over, but that at least is being worked on, in varying degrees, though the "work" at present seems to mean "war on women's rights", more so than completely emancipating and bringing women into all aspects of life fully. That would be my preference, unfortunately I do not hold the title of World Emperor. Nor am I likely to.
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Monday February 25, 2013, 12:45 pm
Poor people suffering there, and mostly women and children....
 
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