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"Occupy" Crackdowns Coordinated With Federal Law Enforcement Officials


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Homeland Security, FBI, Justice Official, Obama Administration, crackdown on OWS, First Amendment Rights )

Dandelion
- 1034 days ago - examiner.com
According to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies.



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Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 5:50 am
wow thanks babe, posted in the occupy group.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 5:52 am
So much for respecting OUR First Amendment rights. These crackdowns come from the Top....and you thought that the Democratic Party wasn't bought out. ha ha

Stand up for your Rights, In Solidarity where-ever you live. My other story is at.

MASS NON-VIOLENT DIRECT ACTION November 17, 2011
 

Kenny V. (173)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:11 am
Thanks Dandelion, coincidence it was not.
" I was recently on a conference call of 18 cities who had the same situation, where what had started as a political movement and a political encampment ended up being an encampment that was no longer in control of the people who started them." -Oakland Mayor Jean Quan

Whatever they wanted it to be looks like it blew up in their faces .They lost their contact propagator in the 99%.Oh no! !t's really the people! Beat them with this Bill of Rights quick before they know their awake.Too late!
They must be tired of hearing "This is a Peaceful Protest ",that won't buy more weapons... grrrr.....Cops and military join us so we can impeach and imprison these people.
 

Elizabeth P. (102)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:16 am
This dose not suprise me, the government spent billions on building new prisons over the last three years,all over the country, We have one of the largest ones up here in NH, finished last year. Setting empty,just waiting to see how many people the government wil arest in the occupy or any other protests. The government owns the ground we walk on,Thats why it's so hard for the people to hold peaceful protests, Along with big business,government this is just another way to break the people.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:43 am

occupywallstreet.org/ For The People ~

Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #ows is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

The occupations around the world are being organized using a non-binding consensus based collective decision making tool known as a "people's assembly". To learn more about how to use this process to organize your local community to fight back against social injustice, please read this quick guide on group dynamics in people's assemblies.

Solidarity Forever!
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:51 am

If you think Solidarity - standing together as one can not work then I offer you a short, fairly recent history of Poland visa-vis the USSR.
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The history of Solidarity (Polish: Solidarność, pronounced [sɔlidarnɔɕtɕ], a Polish non-governmental trade union, begins in August 1980, at the Lenin Shipyards (now Gdańsk Shipyards) at its founding by Lech Wałęsa and others. In the early 1980s, it became the first independent labor union in a Soviet-bloc country. Solidarity gave rise to a broad, non-violent, anti-communist social movement that, at its height, claimed some 10 million members. It is considered to have contributed greatly to the fall of communism.

Poland's communist government attempted to destroy the union by instituting martial law in 1981, followed by several years of political repression, but in the end was forced into negotiation. The Round Table Talks between the government and the Solidarity-led opposition resulted in semi-free elections in 1989. By the end of August 1989, a Solidarity-led coalition government had been formed, and, in December 1990, Wałęsa was elected president. This was soon followed by the dismantling of the communist governmental system and by Poland's transformation into a modern democratic state. Solidarity's early survival represented a break in the hard-line stance of the communist Polish United Workers' Party (PZPR), and was an unprecedented event; not only for the People's Republic of Poland—a satellite of the USSR ruled by a one-party communist regime—but for the whole of the Eastern bloc. Solidarity's example led to the spread of anti-communist ideas and movements throughout the Eastern Bloc, weakening communist governments. This process later culminated in the Revolutions of 1989. *wiki
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Though it should be said that these were not communist governments but rather totalitarian governments under the control of the USSR - a failure in the end. People want simple things - the right to work, feed and care for their families and to not live under the over-bearing weight of unjust and unfair governments that support the wealthy at the constant suppression of the many.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:55 am
Great posts - thank you all. Anything worth having is worth fighting for - even and maybe more so, when they are the simple things you mention, Kit.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:59 am
Great comments, those I could got green stars, for some, one a week is not near enough.
 

tracey p. (84)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 7:21 am
I am old enough to remember the Solidarity protests in Poland, and visited the Solidarity Museum in Gdansk, which was situated in the very shipyards where the protests began. It was one of the most moving and empowering experiences of my life.
The images I have seen of the brute force directed at the occupy protesters has horrified me.
In London, the occupy protest which has caused most 'problems' is the protest outside St.Paul's Cathedral in London. The first thing the cathedral did was to close its doors and seek legal advice on moving the protesters. This was then thought to be the wrong tactic. To see police forcibly moving peaceful protesters away from the church would have been disastrous.But the church has not been very supportive. I believe that this is the very thing that the church should support. People protesting against injustice by the rich and powerful. I am not a member of any religion, but I do believe that this is exactly what Christianity is supposed to be about. If not this, then what?
The power of big business, of the banking industry, and ultimately our governments, is a terrifying prospect for future generations. I applaud the occupy movement, and have spent some time at my local protest site, talking to, and trying to support, those who are camped there.
We are the majority, and we have a right to speak out.
 

Suzy F. (94)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 7:22 am
Local news (Sacramento, CA) noted the morning that Occupy Sacramento has not had the problems of NY or Oakland or Portland because they do not allow the camping....interesting.
 

Nancy C. (798)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 7:24 am
All things considered these days, I'm surprised that they waited so long. As everyone, I had hopes for someone in "their echelon, (besides Michael Moore and Warren Buffett), and to step it up and speak from the heart. The 1% have no compassion and empathy for the 99%. If you heard the "Wall street suited guys" answering questions and defending everything that big banks and Wall Street does, you heard cold, driven, nonsensical answers. One of them angrily called our regular Care2 Occupier a monkey! I'll never forget that.
Keep doin' what we're setting our minds to. Go to a credit union, boycott big everything. We know their starting to feel it by the reactions and the arrests!
Check out your voting situation. Although the Obama administration says they are reviewing all Repug driven changes, we don't have proof of that and rules seem to change rapidly.
 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (90)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 7:53 am
And the beat goes on in America; as tyranny persistently attempts to usurp freedom. The movement will not and can not be turned aside, only exacerbated by use of force applied through criminal action. Petty puppets of the Oligarchy will always push to hard when they fear for the loss of their self aggrandized petty powers. Fear blots out rational thinking, as their reptilian brain “fight or flight mechanism” fills their vision with flashing crimson and brut force appears the only solution.
 

lee e. (114)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 8:00 am
Thanks so much for proving my contention - I didn't document my comments, you did the foot work - it was obviously more than a "local" cop job - that this number of cities should suddenly use military tactics and money to "cleanse" their towns of the "inconvenient squatters" exercising their 1st amendment rights - and then re-writing the Constitution so that we "conveniently" omit a word here or there to satisfy our multi-billionaire Mayor - cleansing with over-armed cops of this sort doesn't come at a "cheap" cost either to our cities, gov't. or democracy - we should demand our taxes be used for a better purpose than fascist militariem!
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 8:20 am
You cannot currently send a star to lee because you have done so within the last week.

Right on Lee.....
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 8:24 am

Most really do seem to "get it" and then there are those few who chose the world of the delusion that they too will one day be among the 1% so they try to stop us. WE will not stop.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 8:56 am
Good word, delusional.....
 

Patricia E. G. (51)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 11:12 am
Many do in Kit's word "get it" and have always been scraping by.
There have always been the 1% and they have been benevolent in
the past. Tossing in their fair share whilst remaining 1%. Rockerfellers
come to mind. The new and unimproved 1% is the target.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 11:15 am
Delusion is indeed the proper word. On the news last night Bloomberg denied taking part in the conference call. Based on all the eyelid flutter I'd say he lied -or more probably- had a deputy sit in on the call. I don't know aout him paying off a judge but surely believe he is bought and paid for as is our Governor Cuomo.

The latter is going to allow fracking in NY unless we stop him cold. We have a small effort with only 174 but need thousands more signatures. Would you folks help by signing the Care 2 petition AND the letter to Cuomo? Them pass it along far and wide please. This is a great example of the why behind OWS.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/260/please-help-us-stop-fracking-in-new-york-state/
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 11:25 am
You know, we Americans are pretty funny people. We will keep going with the flow as long as our needs are met, allow all these things to pass us by without a whimper and keep trucking on day to day. But when someone "throws down the gauntlet" (so to speak) we dig our heels in and fight like cornered rats. I believe that the many different politicians around this country forcing the 99% to leave PUBLIC parks and arresting them for peaceful assembly have made the same mistake that the Japanese did in WWII, they have awoken the sleeping giant....
If they had pretended to sympathize, maybe even given air time for all our concerns to be heard and discussed, I believe that most of us would have gone back to our spaces and went on with our daily consumer lives.... But NO, they had to show all of us "human waste" who was boss.... So I think this movement is truly just getting started. The more they squeeze, the more we will fight back (I continue to advocate peaceful resistance).
WE ARE THE 99%! WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THINGS!
 

Claudia O. (73)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 1:11 pm
It was chilling to see how all of these 'take-downs" happened at the same time and in the same way. The machine is in full alert now and we are in for a long struggle.
 

Rita A. (10)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 1:38 pm
Great thanks and loving hugs from so many of us out here in the world who support and are sooooo grateful to our brother and sister OWSers! You're our Hope for real, true Change, and here's the word that's spreading far and wide of how we can give you a big, so well deserved thank you, and encourage you to keep on keeping on.....

OCCCUPY BLACK FRIDAY! Instead of our per usual Christmas gift buying this year, beginning the instant Thanksgiving dinner is over, loads of us instead will give food, warm clothing, donations, etc. to our OWSers, this holiday season. They sooooo deserve our thanks and support. Brainstorm with us, and spread the word.....

MAKE CHRISTMAS BLISSFUL FOR US, and OCCUPY WALL STREET
 

Judy C. (106)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 1:41 pm
I was watching the livestream from Oakland during the crackdown, and then the livestream of the crackdown in NYC. The show of force by the police in each setting was very ominous, as they wanted it to be. The Occupiers in Oakland counted some 11 different police forces from surrounding communities. In NYC, the police in riot gear had billy clubs in hand, and had their names and badge numbers hidden. The protesters kept their cool for the most part, and their self-control and courage was impressive.

Really just what the police/officials can or can't do boils down to points of law. I posted a good article yesterday from Propublica that discusses these issues:

Just How Much Can the State Restrict a Peaceful Protest? - ProPublica
http://www.care2.com/news/member/864072146/3021284

I don't know how anyone could deny a co-ordinated effort to throw Occupy out of those 18 cities discussed by Quan. That's a pretty good smoking gun. Thanks for the article, Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 2:58 pm
Rita W. bless your heart what a wonderful idea. I hope for those who can do this will indeed take your words to heart.

If anyone can help John G. with his petition the hot link is below:
PLEASE HELP NEW YORK STOP FRACKING
I signed: You signed on November 16, 2011.
Your signature has been delivered to:
New York Governor Cuomo

Thank you Judy for your comment and the article link I'll check it out.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 3:32 pm
If it wasn't that the 'Occupy' movement has been caught taking money from the Communists and Nazis, I might actually have a bit of sympathy for them. As it is, I refuse to consider any invasion by Communism, Nazism, feudalism, socialism, or theocratic lunatics legitimate in any way or form. We should eject the Communists and Nazis, eradicate ACORN and the Socialists, scrap everything the government's done since 20 January 1993, and start over again. These last two decades have been a total disaster!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 3:50 pm
Always wished we had a Bill of Rights in GB, but in the end we have to stand up for any of our human rights in whatever form othersie those who seek to grab more power will erode them any way they can using force or stealth. Our enemies are not necessarily other nationalities or any form of 'ism, but those who put themselves first when it comes to greed and power. Mitakuye Oyasin
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 3:57 pm
Fred I'm part of Occupy and I haven't taken any money from those you list. I know others on and off of C2 that do not take money from those you speak. I fail to see how you can paint thousands of people at any one Occupy protest as all lunatics, as there are average Americans there from all walks of life. If you are going to place such serious accusations upon this thread then please back up with linked proof to what you state.

Also bear in mind that background checks are not done on everyone who wants to donate a few dollars for tents or food items. We can all search out the one person or two to paint the entire grassroots movement they way we wish to believe it.

This is truly a Democratic movement, and yes, under a Democracy even a Nazi sympathizer or Communist can freely join in the march, that doesn't mean they represent ALL who are walking along beside them, no more than everyone is a biologist if one of them are walking in the protest.

 

Gloria H. (88)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 4:29 pm
with all the support of FBI, Homeland Security and your local law enforcement, is there a stretch in the imagination to say that possibly there ARE concentration camps being built as we read, to hold a certain number of the 99% in the future?
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 4:47 pm
Glorida just google concentration camps in usa or internment camps in usa and you will get a lot of information to come up. I think that might answer your question.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 5:23 pm
Another example that we live in a fascist police state, that runs from top to bottom, from the federal level right down to the local level!!! Time to oust the fascist pigs for once and for all!!
 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (90)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 5:58 pm
Gloria, please take Sheryl's advice and Google concentration camps in the USA. It is indeed an education on the Privatized Prison Industrial Complex that holds such power in DC. While you’re at it you may want to check out “Why the Police have Tanks” earlier posted on this site plus others.

The Fascists have Not been sitting on their hands waiting for the Occupy movement to come to them, they’ve been planning for it since Reagan stole the presidency by manipulating the Iranian hostage crises to his benefit. There are no mysteries here just ignorance in which unfortunately most Americans acutely suffer. Mission accomplished, as they methodically occupied the former Free Press media into their conspiracy to usurp and destroy democracy in America. The boogieman is on the loose, all wrapped up in the American flag in the likes of the TeaBaggers who have taken the bait, hook, line, sinker, and capture net. You can’t make this stuff up; it’s increasingly all too real and coming to neighborhood near you if it hasn’t already. All thanks to extraordinary efforts of Wall St. and their Banksters well executed plan for plundering the treasury. Thanks to their bought and paid for whores littered thought DC landscape for decades.
 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (90)
Wednesday November 16, 2011, 6:33 pm
Fred::: please don't get all hung up in the name calling and labeling that has been used for decades in America to vilify and divide anything that does not imediatly resemble the Fascist Corporatism. At the very, very least check out and educate yourself on Communist and Nazi. I've recently been called a "Communist Nazi" WHAT. they're diametrically polar opposites in ideology, WAAAAAAAA. That aside as it reflect the depths of most Americans ignorance. I believe they also are part of the 99% just like Catholic, Jews, Muslim, anti theists, fundamentalist Christens, Native Americans, Immigents, sons and daughters of Immigents, Vets, Pacifists, employed and unemployed, etc. you fill in any blanks I missed. All support of Occupy other then from Goldman Sacks and cohorts among the 1% are gratefully accepted with all our thanks. Take that back, we’ll gratefully accept their financial assistance to change the current vertical economic model to a horizontal one, if they want to continue to be part of and not simply persist in their current self aggrandizing position above and separate from the Whole.

America, this is our country and we Occupy it all, not the corporations and elitists. Occupy everywhere, and hold your ground. We are OWS, we are the 99%.
 

aaron b. (12)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 1:16 am
thank the picture say it all . we all should be singing that song out of les miserables Do you hear the people sing. singing a song of angry men it a meassage from the people that we wont be slave again ,from the beating of our hearts to the beating of the drums a new time about to start when tomorro comes etc etc
 

Arild Warud (164)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 4:50 am
Great post Dandelion.
 

Marianna Molnar Woods (9)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 5:03 am
thanks
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 5:55 am
Noted. I think, Dandelion that damn near all of them are bought out. Very sad.
 

Rita White (55)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:21 am
Noted, thanks
 

Myron Scott (70)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:29 am
Great job, Dandelion. I was slow getting on this angle, although I suspected it. (Among other things, we lost a momma cat yesterday.)

IS it a mere coincidence that this happened just prior to November 17th? Hell, IS it really a coincidence that all those deaths - nearly all of them of essentially anonymous, probably homeless persons - happened the week immediately preceding the weekend big sweep. If nothing else, conspiracy on this level quite properly breeds paranoia. When the central government secretively coordinates with the most local of governments to repress the rights of free speech and assembly, the end IS seriously near.

We should not jump to conclusions regarding the Federal role in this; even craven mayors have a right to seek advice from other agencies. But a serious investigation should be demanded by the few honorable members of the U.S. Congress who have the clout to maybe make it happen. (Sanders, Grijalva, maybe some others.) If there was any actual Federal coordination, rogue or concerted, impeachment proceedings should be commenced, because this would be an historic, really unprecedented assault on our civil liberties as citizens.

Nor should the Occupy, 99%, 98% members and supporters wait on the government. There definitely should be a nationwide citizens tribunal (online, via social media and all other forms of electronic communications) to investigate and "prosecute" this crime of repressing First Amendment rights.

My sign at our local demonstration today will read: TRY THE MAYORS. INVESTIGATE ALL GOVERNMENTS NOW.

Because, it CAN happen here.

 

Carlene V. (203)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:45 am
Trying to stop OWS will only make them fight harder. The sleeping giant is awake and very angry! We must fight though to keep the anarchists out, they are possibly "bought" by those who would stop OWS.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 7:01 am
You cannot currently send a star to Hawkeye because you have done so within the last week.

For those who were not aware of the story that Hawkeye mentions, Why Do Police Have Tanks, the hotlink is placed below.
WHY DO POLICE HAVE TANKS

Thank you Myron for your comment, for being an Occupier, and very sorry to learn of the Momma Cat.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 7:28 am
The government used "concentration camps" in World War II. Remember the Nisei?

It was documented during the Vietnam War protests that some of the former internment camps were designated as future camps in the event of mass arrests. One former German POW camp, in Papago Park, Phoenix, by then a National Guard Armory, was among those named. More recently, there have been rumors of FEMA camps, etc. In Argentina, they used a soccer stadium, as I recall. Remember the Super Dome during Katrina. There are plenty of potential locations, and no doubt there are contingency plans.

I do not think the Nation is anywhere near ready to that on a sweeping scale yet, as breathtaking and chilling as the recent evictions have been. But by the time it gets to that point, it will be too late to stop it. The multi-city evictions of the past week really are unprecedented in US history; the level of apparent (obvious?) coordination should horrify and mobilize every patriotic citizen, dissenter or otherwise. It must not be allowed to stand. There must be a broad-scale investigation and legal proceedings - even if it takes unofficial citizen tribunals to do it.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 8:01 am
All citizens, no matter what Party they are affiliated with, no matter what their faith, no matter what their sex or race, no matter if they are fiancially secure or not, should be appalled at how fellow CITIZENS are being treated in this Country.

Many citizens have been robbed and kicked to poverty, they die without medical care, those are the SILENT assaults that have been ongoing. This is just a more visual view of how WE THE PEOPLE are actually thought of and consider. Disposable and not respected......so now it comes out CLEARLY in the "light".

If this doesn't enrage and motivate to stand up for not just their rights but YOUR rights then I am afraid the fog of apathy has sunk deeply. How many more Veterans, pregnant women, Priests, and 84 year old women must end up in the hospital before every citizen in this Country grabs a sign and joins in.
84 YEAR OLD ACTIVIST PEPPER SPRAYED
 

Kamila A. (141)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 4:48 pm
“Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of leaders…and millions have been killed because of this obedience…Our problem is that people are obedient allover the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves… (and) the grand thieves are running the country. That’s our problem.”
― Howard Zinn
 

Kamila A. (141)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 4:50 pm
Right now, there are rumblings about a war, another illegal war, they are trying to start with Iran. We must resist this with all our efforts. This is insanity running amok, like a headless chicken (that describes the crazy powers-that-be pretty well, actually!).
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 5:00 pm
I agree Camila, is like them to start another war to take attention off of OWS in hopes of making it go away. The people that are in power in various capacities are so sick.
 

Antonio M. (128)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:06 pm
I'm sorry, but I'm not American and I don't know what your First Amendment rights are..

Noted with thanks,
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:34 pm
For those readers who may come to this thread and are not from the USA, like Antonio. I will place the First Amendment below so you can read. Those who are often on C2 will see this more frequently as those rights are coming under fire, so this will explain.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

 

Antonio M. (128)
Thursday November 17, 2011, 6:50 pm
Thank you so much for your explanation, Dandelion!
 
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