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Daniel Ellsberg Pepper Spraying Is Police Torture

Society & Culture  (tags: Daniel Ellsberg, Activist, Pepper Spray, Students, Police, Torture, Chemical Warfare )

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Activist Daniel Ellsberg detail how the usage of pepper spray by police officers at protests nationwide is "police torture." Yet zero prosecutions by those who brought Country to it's knees in sub-prime mortgage scandel.

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Mary T (178)
Friday December 9, 2011, 1:09 pm
Noted and thanks Dandelion.

Ingrid A (524)
Friday December 9, 2011, 1:44 pm
Its noted. Thank you Dandelion.

Penelope Ryan (178)
Friday December 9, 2011, 2:43 pm
Because wall street owns the congress. Half of Leman Bros. staff went to Washington.....

Jim P (3257)
Friday December 9, 2011, 3:19 pm
Civil rights were tossed aside in this pepper spraying incident against peaceful, sitting

If anything, the police should be arrested for violating basic civil laws. Perhaps the courts
will take up this issue as soon as charges are filled with the AG of the State of California.

Ty, Dandelion.

Myron Scott (70)
Friday December 9, 2011, 4:06 pm
Damned right.

Ellsberg is a true American hero, unlike all those phony ones running for office.

Since I've unable to speed up my once again remarkably slow computer all this week, I wasn't able to get the following, related post of mine out even to all my Friends, and (despite, I suspect, Dandelion's help) I think more people need to know it's available, and not because it's mime"

Pepper Spraying Protesters 'Improper,' Says Its Inventor, Kamran Loghman - AUDIO:


Susanne R (235)
Friday December 9, 2011, 10:24 pm
Daniel Ellsberg's comparison of the abuse of the OWS protesters to the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib made me wonder why more Americans are not up-in-arms and screaming in protest over the unnecessarily cruel tactics being used by the police on the peaceful OWS protesters. And he certainly does make a good point about not a single Wall Street banker being charged with any crime as a result of this monumental scandal.

Thanks for posting this item, Dandelion!

Sheryl G (363)
Friday December 9, 2011, 10:45 pm
We need people like Daniel Ellsberg to keep our moral compass in check.

Myron Scott (70)
Friday December 9, 2011, 11:48 pm
Three possible reasons, Susanne:
Many Americans think cops can do no wrong;
Many Americans neither understand nor care about most civil liberties;
Probably less than 50% of the 99% fully share the values of OWS, the Progressive Movement, or most Care2 members.
BTW, I think all 3 reasons are not only possible but true.

On a lighter note, here's another, rather delightful, link: n-national-television
And thanks for forwarding that link, D.

Susanne R (235)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 12:47 am
I think you're right, Myron! I guess I give the general public too much credit!

I've already seen the Megyn Kelly petition, and I hope she gets sprayed with or has to eat or drink the stuff that she claims is simply a food product! She's the kind of person who keeps the "dumb blonde" jokes popular. Not surprised that she works for Fox. Their male news personalities have to be loud and obnoxious. The females have to be dumb but attractive. As the song goes, "That's entertainment!" Unfortunately, it's not necessarily factual or reality-based --which is dangerous because it creates legions of misinformed fans. But it keeps Rupert's bank accounts healthy, so why would he care about responsible, intelligent reporting?

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 12:59 am
Thanks for the update.

Patricia E. G (54)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 2:33 am
Thank you Dee for the Eldsberg video and
Thank you Susanne for your always astute

Chill: MYron


Sheryl G (363)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 8:24 am
Susanne, you said it in a nutshell.

"Not surprised that she works for Fox. Their male news personalities have to be loud and obnoxious. The females have to be dumb but attractive. As the song goes, "That's entertainment!" Unfortunately, it's not necessarily factual or reality-based --which is dangerous because it creates legions of misinformed fans. But it keeps Rupert's bank accounts healthy, so why would he care about responsible, intelligent reporting?"

patricia lasek (317)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 12:41 pm
The use of pepper spray, water cannons and the noise bombardment should all be illegal to use against peaceful protesters.

Kamila A (141)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 7:27 pm
Where are the attorneys to defend these victims? Where is the outrage by politicians? Are Americans this hypnotized into complacency that they don't even file complaints and sue the cities?
Thank you, Dandelion. I love that guy's spirit.

Sheryl G (363)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 9:38 pm
I do believe there is some type of legal things going on that we don't hear much about. The President of the Campus where this happened got a lot of flack from former alumni as well as the public at large, so there is some push back, but we need more to "wake up" and start backing these courages students and others who are sticking their bodies out there. Daniel Ellsberg faced some heavy hitters in his youth and stood to loose a lot, instead the actions by Nixon to "get him" lead to his own Presidency to end in a disgraceful manner and the release of the Pentagon papers exposed the Lies of the VietNam War and so brought it eventually to an end. We have a lot to thank this man for, and he obviously is still in the fight for a better Country and for a Just world.

Norm C (74)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 9:56 pm
We need to make a stink at ANY incident in which the police target nonviolent protestors.

But we need to make sure that the Occupy movement does not become only about police repression. We need to keep out eye on the purpose, the grievances, the goals of Occupy.

We need to reclaim our government, our democracy.

KS Goh (0)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 12:59 am
Thanks for the article.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 11:37 am
Thanks, Dandelion!

Kamila A (141)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 1:31 pm
Norm, you said it!

Nelson Baker (0)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 2:49 pm
The more I see the actions of the police in this country the more it reminds me of Syria or some of the other repressive countries.

Yvonne W (229)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 3:50 pm
Freakin' Politics is why the cops are getting away with assaulting peaceful protesters!:( RepubliCON mentality justifies brutality in the face of peaceful "disobedience" - see, they were Asking for it by Not Following Orders! That makes RepubliCONs (and 1%-ers in general) Fear for their lives! And the signs, OMG - SIGNS! They SAY things - unThinkable Things!!!! And they Corrupt the simple minded!;) (Don't want correctly spelled Thoughts on FAUX News, do we?;) Plus, signs COULD be used as Weapons - paper cuts are killers when not properly treated...*heavy sigh*..Anyway, I think we should start calling Wall $treet UnIndicted Co-Conspirators, just like in the old days..;)

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 5:04 pm
Strip search the officers and pepper spray them. They just might think twice before pepper spraying anyone again.

Bonnie B (103)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 5:28 pm
Thank you, Dandelion. Ellsberg asks the same question I have been asking: " ... why more than 4,000 peaceful protesters have been arrested while zero prosecutions have been instituted against “the people who fraudulently brought this country to its knees in the subprime mortgage scandal.”

There are indeed court proceedings about this and the right to "peaceful assembly" going on. and I agree with you, Camilla, I, too, would like to know why our federal lawmakers are not stopping the mayors from doing this, and are probably giving them the okay! the president and some senators give lip service to the movement and say they understand why, and then do nothing to stop the brutality against them? We can write and call them to pose this question!

Sheryl G (363)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 5:35 pm
We certainly can write to them, and must, and I have. I'm still waiting for an answer.

David Menard (43)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:21 am
Yes it was torture and proof positive that we have become a fascist state

Jake Cohen (3)
Monday December 12, 2011, 1:01 pm
yeah, it is

Holly Lawrence (430)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 2:22 pm
Thank YOU !

Gloria H (88)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 7:35 pm
Remember when Americans were so afraid of the Russians who had Big Brother, spies, and thug police? How we feared if the Russians ever stepped on American soil, how they would quickly turn "our country" into a police state like the USSR? We were all prepared to start WW3 and take the whole world with us to keep our "freedom"?wake up! you are NOT dreaming!!!!!

Sheryl G (363)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 8:28 pm
Excellent point. As Abraham Lincoln said, "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."


Kathy Javens (104)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:18 am
Noted. Is there not something in the constitution that guarantees the right to peaceful assembly? If this is the case, then the police are the disrupters and should be charged and punished. Shouldn`t they?

Sheryl G (363)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:55 am
There is Kathy, but they keep upsurping it with things like...."We need to move you for your own safety"....or "this is a town law"....or "it's for sanitation reasons". While they allow the many homeless to remain on the streets which are neither safe nor sanitary instead of coming up with programs to train the unskilled, job placement programs, "living wage" jobs, and affordable housing. It's a ploy to circumvent the Rights of the citizen. Democracy was not meant to be neat and tidy as they would like to have it.
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