Thursday May 24, 2012, 12:04 pm
The non-binding resolution H.Res.568 that overwhelmingly passed 401-11, effectively calls for a military attack on Iran when it obtains “nuclear weapons capability.”

Only 11 so called USA leaders are Representing the majority of the will of the People. BE SILENT NO MORE!
Martin Luther King, Jr's speech A Time to Break The Silence Why I'm Opposed to the War

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, warned “This resolution reads like the same sheet of music that got us into the Iraq war, and could be the precursor for a war with Iran. It’s effectively a thinly-disguised effort to bless war.”

Stand Up! Shout Out! Make Your Calls! Do whatever you have to do to stop this insanity!

This Memorial Day, TRULY remember the COST OF WAR. Too many use this weekend to kick off their fun in the summer fun, and fail to recall what the day is.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower - 34th president of US 1953-1961
REMEMBER SHOCK AND AWE AND WHAT DID IT GET US

Related C2 article
Deal or No Deal Iran May Be Bombed Israeli Minister

Thursday May 24, 2012, 12:34 pm
this is not good.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 12:49 pm
We keep doing the same stupid things and expect different results! It is not only insanity, a war with Iran will just add more needless death and destruction to all! There are no winners just more money for the military industrial complex!

Thursday May 24, 2012, 1:31 pm
The wars always brings destruction and the lost of human lives. I hope this time it will not be a nuclear war.... Thank you Dandelion, for sharing your story and your comment.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 2:29 pm
For all of 2012, not unexpected.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 3:25 pm
We've got to elect people this fall who will stop leading us down this path to another war!

Thursday May 24, 2012, 4:58 pm
We already had more than enough wars...(many started by the USA)

Thursday May 24, 2012, 5:38 pm
Ahead of the vote Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), a tough critic of the resolution and one of the few who voted against it, warned that the US is “getting ready for war against Iran” with Thursday’s vote.

The non-binding resolution H.Res.568 that overwhelmingly passed 401-11, effectively calls for a military attack on Iran when it obtains “nuclear weapons capability.” The vague interpretation, critics say, already applies to Iran, not to mention Brazil, Japan, the Netherlands, and actually any other country with a civilian nuclear program.

What is wrong with Congress in the House Of Representatives that the vote was so lop sided in favor of
WAR against Iran.

These cannot be our representatives, whatever party they represent. Those same representatives who voted for this bill certainly do not represent the people in USA. The people are sick and tired of costly "WARS"!

Our economy is suffering! Our national budget and debt are out of control! Congress is out of control!

Ugh...

Ty, Dandelion.
.

Does anyone know who voted for and against this bill? Leave a note here. Thanks.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 5:41 pm
Ahead of the vote Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), a tough critic of the resolution and one of the few who voted against it, warned that the US is “getting ready for war against Iran” with Thursday’s vote.

The non-binding resolution H.Res.568 that overwhelmingly passed 401-11, effectively calls for a military attack on Iran when it obtains “nuclear weapons capability.” The vague interpretation, critics say, already applies to Iran, not to mention Brazil, Japan, the Netherlands, and actually any other country with a civilian nuclear program.

What is wrong with Congress in the House Of Representatives that the vote was so lop sided in favor of
WAR against Iran.

These cannot be our representatives, whatever party they represent. Those same representatives who voted for this bill certainly do not represent the people in USA. The people are sick and tired of costly "WARS"!

Our economy is suffering! Our national budget and debt are out of control! Congress is out of control!

Ugh...

Ty, Dandelion.
.

Does anyone know who voted for and against this bill? Leave a note here. Thanks.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 5:44 pm
Whoops...

Don't know what happened above...

Ty, Dandelion.
.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 5:45 pm
Whoops...

Don't know what happened above...

.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 6:18 pm
To answer your question Jim:

Voting "no" were: Amash (R-MI), Blumenauer (D-OR), Davis (R-KY), Duncan (R-TN), Kucinich (D-OH), Lee (D-CA), McDermott (D-WA), Olver (D-MA), Paul (R-TX), Stark (D-CA), and Woolsey (D-CA). Voting "present" were: Conyers (D-MI), DeFazio (D-OR), Ellison (D-MN), Honda (D-CA), Johnson (D-GA), Johnson (D-TX), McCollum (D-MN), Moore (D-WI), and Speier (D-CA).

The final vote was 401-11, with 9 members voting "present" and 10 members not voting.

Voting Present: Conyers, DeFazio, Ellison, Honda, Johnson (GA), Johnson, E. B., McCollum, Moore,Speier
All 9 of them were Democrats....cowards in my eyes

Not Voting: Which I assume they were just not there. Amodei, Costello, Filner, Gohmert, Holden, Miller George, Pascrell, Sanchez Loretta, Slaughter, Wasserman Schultz 2 of these were Republicans the other 8 Democrats

And yes, it is clear that we do not have a Government that is representing us but is only representing it's own special interest. Meaning the ones that pay the biggest money to vote their way. Which leaves us no choice but to rise up in large numbers across this Nation and take to the streets and vote everyone out that vote yes.

I agree Naoko, is why I place as many stories on about what is going on and wrong with the War Machine. I hope to get as many people to wake up, to stand up to shout out, call out, march, write, do whatever they can to stop this insanity.

I do what I can off C2 in this effort and have been doing so since 1968! I get discouraged sometimes, but then I remember why I must keep going, for if I stop then they have silenced another voice, and I will not be silenced as long as there is breath in this body.

Is ok, Jim, C2 doing a funky tonight again. Explains the whoops.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 7:08 pm
Well, we can't afford it. That's what they are always telling us. The country doesn't have two nickels to rub together. The GOP doesn't even want to pay for the BushCo Wars with their tax dollars so there's no paying for another war. Tell them to open their wallets to bring down the BushCo debt and get off their lazy *sses and do some work for the American people for a change.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 7:09 pm
Ronnie Raygun shouldn't have sold weapons to Iran in the first place. I guess he'd already lost his marbles at that point.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 7:17 pm
Like your attitude Roseann....You go Girl! Yes, isn't it amazing how they can always find the money to go to war, but not to give the Elders their Medicare or children Food Stamps.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 7:39 pm
Just imagine if this war goes through, what Social Security and Medicare will look like. People will be retiring at 80 and only able to afford a weekly ration of a can of cat food, and getting Medicare...like pulling teeth with pliers.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 8:27 pm
THank you Sheryl for staying on top of things. Doing a bit better.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 8:37 pm
This is truly insane why does the United States think that they can run someone else's Country, Just look at the state this Country is in and tell me that we need another war that we can't pay for except on the backs of the middle and lower class people, It is time for us to stand up and shout, We are not going to take it anymore, No more wars, Thanks Dandelion.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 8:52 pm
Noted and Thank You so much for sharing my Beloved Dandelion.
All wars are Horrible and the consequences even worst!
I Pray every single day for all Our Heroes fighting everywhere for our Freedom. Some wars are unnecessary and there is no reason for such.
GOD Bless You and yours Always!!!
HAVE A VERY BLESSED NIGHT AND A BEAUTIFUL FRIDAY EVERYBODY!!!
Much Love, Light, Gratitude
B.D♥

Thursday May 24, 2012, 8:54 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.
Sending You my Love instead!

Thursday May 24, 2012, 9:19 pm
Like some point out above, why in the hell are so many voting "yes" to this war? If they want it, let the 1% fund it from their beloved "private sector". Let them just run a "for profit" war (like it is in a sense anyway), for their cronies, the war profiteers. Leave the rest of us the hell alone. Oh yes, if they need soldiers for their meat grinder let their own sons and daughters go. Leave the rest of us alone. We've saceificed enough.

Thursday May 24, 2012, 11:09 pm
Does anyone else have a horrible feeling that some sort of confrontation with Iran - not necessarily involving the US - is only a matter of time?

The knock-on effects would be mind boggling. Very disturbing.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:03 am
That is the way of Patriarchy - they cannot stop, they never will stop before we stop them. The political and economic elites can only destroy life for profit, and Iran is a grand opportunity. Hence, people show your disagreement: do not elect democrats or republicans, vote for alternative parties and individual - we need new idea, new faces, and new behaviors with respect for live.

Thank you Dandelion, indeed this can never be said enough.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:13 am
I should just add: I agree with you Judy, why do they not spend their own money, they gain the profit anyway. And why don't they just use their own children as soldiers. In fact I have often thought that if their war machinery is so precise as they say, why don't they just move their families to the place of the bombing, and then they can take the consequences themselves, in case of a mistake rather than handing it on to other people - then we may see better precision or probably no war at all. In the old days armies were fighting it out in a battlefield outside of town. The leaders were themselves in the fore front leading their men. I would like us to go back to those kind of conflicts, then the violent ones can kill of each others as volunteers, while the rest of us can enjoy our peaceful lives.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:14 am
I've heard martial law is coming by the end of Summer.
Obama Justifies FEMA imprisonment of civilians!
Obama Signs NDAA Martial Law
War potesters will be icarcerated first I guess.
Amazing how the govenment is so deaf toward the 99%
80% of the 99% think they are part of the 2%
Poor dumbarses, their cash ain't nothin' but trash.
Our veterans have died for nothing, all of them, dishonored and disgraced by Fascist American Politicians.
American Soldiers Are WAKING UP!! SUPPORT OF TAKING AMERICA BACK!!!
Welcome to Reaganomica, poor Police State of torture, free speech jails, news blackouts, checkpoints and lies.
Lesser Of Two Evils is not a Presidntial qualification. Stop voting for it!
Religion holds no hope for America, the churches are partners with the Fascist state.
ANONYMOUS declares war on the system! JOIN THE RESISTANCE

Friends, we are about to get into a nuclear war with Pakistan amd Iran.
Not because of what they or 'terrorists' or any enemy is doing,
because of what our politicians are doing to please their corporate masters.
Corporations are paying our politicians to order our soldiers to die, spend our tax dollars on war, assassinate people with drones, beat - taser - pepper spray our own people, just to prove 'their' army is the baddest bully on the planet. Ignorant corporations are controlled by war chickens like GW Bush. People who never fought, didn't even show up for the nat'l guard and believe - actually believe - that we can win a nuclear war. It would be easier for us to conquer those Fascists in Washington, D.C. by throwing rocks and sticks than it would to survive a nuclear strike.
Wake the Hell up America!
I do mean you supporters of Romney and Obama, wake the Hell up before you are eternally remembered for destroying the Earth and causing the end of the world.
They are BOTH Corporatist Puppets, the old Republican and Democrat parties have been sidelined from within through the use of corporate $upport for Fascist billionaires, hand-picked Judas goats.
Listen to Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, they are the represenatives of the real Democrat and Republican parties.
How blind and ignorant are you?
We have the power.
Use it, we are the workers who make and buyers of their products and war machines. The Police and soldiers are OUR family members, talk to them.
This must be stopped, before it is too late.
If Democrats and Republcans unite we can save the world.
If you could find it in your hearts to accept Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich as President, our whole world could be saved. It is up to YOU!
Think I am crazy? Just watch it unfold and remember, you asked for this.
If they would run together, Independents would vote for that team.
Put them on the ballot.
Or die for Fascism.
Have a good Memorial Day, when we are supposed to commemorate those Americans (our family members) who have died for our freedom, not that of Fascist billionares.
If we fail them now, they died for NOTHING!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:42 am
Thank you- noted

This really isnt a new topic and I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop since Bush declared Iran to be "the Axis of Evil" and put us in 2 countries surrounding it- Afganistan and Iraq.

I am hopeful Obama will not go this route and feel pretty good that he withdrew us from Iran.

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:43 am
Typo,,, sorry,,, recently withdrew from IRAQ

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:53 am
I wonder when the USA will learn that all conflicts can't be solved on the military field?I urge USA and Israel to try diplomacy instead,otherwise I'm afraid we are moving closer to Armageddon.
Thanks for posting this Sheryl.

Friday May 25, 2012, 6:20 am
This message is frightening as hell... but as Bee already said, could be expected. Now what, if the warmongers decide to strike BEFORE presidential election? The pushing powers in Israel are pretty well aware that the American people do NOT want that war, reason enough for them not to wait for a possible new president.
I think John C raised a good point by suggesting to try hard to influence the military to disobey, refuse any action.

Friday May 25, 2012, 6:52 am
It isn't a new topic putting Iran in the crosshairs, however, this is a new major additonal step. Instead of the talking of war, our officials in Washington are paving the way to get their. So in that case it is a new topic or a new piece of news. How many saw or heard this on the news?

Again, it is this quiet step by step approach to go to war, then out will come the propaganda and before people even know it, we have fighter planes going in and our ships are already there. No one asks the American people anymore, those in Washington just go along with whatever they feel like doing, and claim as you voted them in, that they are doing what YOU want, when many of us know they are doing what the money Elites have paid them to do.

I know some have great hope under Obama that this will not happen, but it was under Obama we went into a military action with Libya, he was the first President to do so without approval of Congress, totally skipped right over them. So much for having a Peace Prize President, as they say, it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. So we've had another military action that wasn't even funded and now we owe more monies to cover those costs.

President Obama has more military actions going on right now than any previous President, but many on the left have their blinders on, for it's a Democrat after all, he must be doing right. As Jytte said time for a true change, a third party that isn't bought out by the Elites, that would really throw them a curve ball. With 3rd Party Candidates maybe we could get some election reform into Washington, for how do you expect the same crooks to do otherwise than what they have done the last 40 or so years?

It is a rotating system from the private sector to the political office back to private sector again. Don't think so just follow Dick Cheney's career moves and he isn't the only one. But hey, if you still believe in the Democrats then speak up and stand up to them and push their butts to do the right thing....because with few exceptions, I'm not seeing it. As for the other team, the Republicans, there are no words except that to vote for that hopelessly lost party it is tantamont to placing a bullet in your own skull. Political suicide with the Republican party and the other party has us clinging onto bits and pieces of the life raft they shot out from under us.

We have few who are not bought out......I'd say 11 people. It is some of the same names and as Kucinich can no longer be affected in the House, as they are not listening to his voice of reason but the bing bing of the gold he will no longer run for office and will do what he can in some other capacity. Yes it does leave a sick feeling in my whole being Roger, a very sick feeling. What is more of a sick feeling is that this post will get seen by so few, and too many will not even know this has happened. More will know of a little puppy being hurt on C2 than a major war that will kill many animals, people, destroy societies, ours included in the usa, along with all the animals.

It also leaves a sick feeling in my being Roger that even if some learn of this, they will do nothing to even try to stop it, they will not make a phone call, nor write to Washington, will not hold a sign on the side of the road, or join a peace group, or even worse will buy into the drum beat of war and stand behind it. My hope is that there are many John's in a this Country that will rise up at least this time.

As Jytte has stated this is a Patriarchal sytem, and we can see it also from the angle of all the attacks on Women. Those in power are aware that with strength in the women, that if the women get their act together, that the matriarchal ways will quell and tone down what these gun ho men are doing. Most women think of the children, the Elders, and will want a nice environment around them, they understand on a deeper level many things. But those in power do want to keep us down, and now they attack issues we already have won, to keep us busy putting our energies into the already won areas so we take our eyes off the ball for the more major issues, like war with Iran. We are also being divided and conquered in that respect, give us many fronts on which to divert our attentions.

Per John Cause's words that bear repeating:

Wake the Hell up America!
I do mean you supporters of Romney and Obama, wake the Hell up before you are eternally remembered for destroying the Earth and causing the end of the world.
They are BOTH Corporatist Puppets, the old Republican and Democrat parties have been sidelined from within through the use of corporate $upport for Fascist billionaires, hand-picked Judas goats.

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:02 am
Don't we have enough problems?

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:05 am
John Cause has pretty much said it all. American people need to wake up.

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:12 am
We couldn't afford Bush's two wars, and now the House GOP wants to add another to exponentially increase the deficit and bankrupt the country?

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:34 am
This is the link to the House of Representatives. Find your person and either Thank them, which will be few people as only 11 stood up to the insanity, or tell the other idiots you are not happy with their vote.
FIND YOUR REPRESENTATIVE
Don't let them slide quietly into the night with this vote on HR 568

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:58 am
I so agree with you, Dandelion. Definitely posted to my FB page. And am now going to find my rep from your link above me and let them know what I think. Thanks much & a blessed day to all.

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:04 am
The House of Representatives is largely GOP and I'm sure they are putting all their ducks in a row for the hopes of Rommney winning the election so they can get back on the Bush train (Bush Sr and Bush Jr). If a Republican (including Ron Paul) gets the presidency in the upcoming election we are almost guaranteed a war in Iran.

Obama may steer clear of that.

No viable Independent candidate has stepped forward- so we are stuck with Democrat and Republican. Given that it was a Republican House that put this resolution in place- that pretty much sums it up for me.

And I really don't think America is going to suddenly wake up and revolt, if they haven't by now, but if they are going to do it, they had better do it before November.

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:15 am
I just got done sending an e-mail to my representative. And in my mind flashed the day I saw shock & awe. I just sat and stared at my tv screen with tears streaming down my cheeks. That is probably one of THE most horrible things I have ever seen. I do not ever want to see that happen again. Ever. Anywhere. ALL WAR MUST STOP...NO MORE WAR...EVER...ANYWHERE!!!!!

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:24 am
We can only make other options viable if we look into them and support them. Otherwise we keep being stuck with the same old same old. I do vote for individuals in either Party that would be working for the betterment of this Country, although I must admit, on the Republican side there is about nil to choose from. However, on the Democrat side the count is getting lower all the time, not higher, in who is working with sanity anymore.

We need more Bernie Sanders, and we only get those type of people if we support them. I am working hard at getting this ticket on each State by making more people aware of this Party. Granted, may not be in time for the November election, but if we keep tossing our energies to the ones who get us into these issues then we will never turn the ship around. So I am supporting the 3rd Parties at this point, some of us just can't force our hand to pull that lever to those who have sliced our throats.

I do understand why people still want to go to the 2 parties, it seems comfortable, it is familiar, they still have the past in their heads of what those parties once were, they haven't yet realized how much their parties are not what they once were, they are afraid to cast a vote for a 3rd party for fear the other party will win, although at this point I'm not sure if it matters both are heading us off the cliff, one perhaps faster than the other, maybe if we hit bottom quicker we can dust off and start fresh, this cliff hanger is killing me. I've read all the reasons of not wanting to go 3rd party, the historical, the emotional, the.....well....I'm done.

If I must take the path less trodden then I will take it, but I'm not going to support this insanity. I might have to live within it, but I do not have to support it. And there are more and more people who are becoming to feel just like John and I in that respect, and they are leaving both parties to seek out other solutions. Also if all the people who are feeling disgusted, discouraged, disillusioned and would abandon both parties and toss their support behind a 3rd party, then the other parties would loose their hold over us. They'd either disappear into the night or smarten their arses up.
VOTE THE JUSTICE PARTY ROCKY ANDERSON

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:25 am
When will the citizens of the US wake up and realize that AIPAC has hijacked their government? This has nothing to do with what the people want anymore. If the Israelis want it, it will get done. I wonder if it is too late to do anything about that?

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:27 am
Justice Party - Liberal? Conservative?

I believe that we can all help make a better world together, individually and collectively. I believe in the equal application of the laws, rather than the two-tiered system of justice promoted by Bush and Obama (and Congress and the courts when they dismiss cases on the grounds of the state secrets doctrine). I believe in not burdening later generations with our reckless spending and that it is outrageous to spend trillions of dollars (and it will be trillions after interest on our borrowings for the wars has been paid) for unnecessary, disastrous wars and, while they are being fought, giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy. I believe that government has a vital role to play in improving education, maintaining and improving our infrastructure, providing transit opportunities, and building peaceful relations with other nations. I also believe that government -- particularly in the U.S. -- has a vital duty to provide international leadership to avoid the most catastrophic consequences of climate disruption. If my fighting for the restoration of the rule of law and the bolstering of our most fundamental constitutional values makes me a conservative, a liberal, or a patriot, you can use whatever term you like. Rocky Anderson
Justice Party Is it Liberal or Conservative

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:40 am
silence is acceptance
we as in all of us are change
Life has value beyond measure

Peace and Love

Friday May 25, 2012, 8:55 am
This thread is becoming little more than well polished preaching that may even be supportive a third party presidential bid.

We still have Bernie Sanders and while his voice and others like Chris Hedges' voice can be heard, it is very unlikely that "they" will squelch any of our voices.

Wake up Americans indeed!!!! Yesterday Occupy forced Amazon out of ALEC. We are all only a heartbeat away for actually taking part in effective freedom saving action

Friday May 25, 2012, 9:46 am
The last thing we need is another war and all of the fallout that inevitably comes with it. Thanks Dandelion.

Friday May 25, 2012, 9:52 am

As long as no Polititions are harmed ,,,Then who gives a damn who gets hurt,,,!!

Friday May 25, 2012, 9:55 am
Jeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

Friday May 25, 2012, 10:05 am
We will go to war with Iran, if you like it or not, war the best way of making money for war profiteers. All about money and power, the top 1% wars.

Friday May 25, 2012, 10:18 am
Don't let anyone kid you. The U.S. thirst for war with Iran has nothing to do with its nuclear capabilities; it is merely to protect and expand the commercial interests of a comparatively few Americans. (If there was truly concern about Iran's nuclear capabilities, there are ways of taking them out by sabotage or preemptive strikes.)

While some legislators do have children or grandchildren in the military, their presence is not truly representative of the rest of us. Unfortunately, many U.S. legislators are bought and paid for by American commercial interests--if nothing else through campaign donations, etc.

Friday May 25, 2012, 10:35 am
Indeed Cecily, is it even mentioned in the article:

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, warned “This resolution reads like the same sheet of music that got us into the Iraq war, and could be the precursor for a war with Iran. It’s effectively a thinly-disguised effort to bless war.”

Jason, I hate to say it but you may very well be right. We will be dragged into this kicking and screaming whether we want to go or not. But forever being the optimist, even under the worse of conditions, I will keep a positive mind that enough people will rise up and not feed the War Machine this time. But it will require us by the millions to do so, we are all going to have to take that stand, the young and old in unison, will have to rise up with their voices and actions to say, NO, not this time.

Speaking of sabotage Cecily, I watched a program not too long ago where the usa had placed a virus into the system to shut down the nuclear system that was up and running. However, Iran was able to hire it's own to be able to determine if something like this had occured, and their cyber security expert they hired was able to find it before it did any further damage. Was interesting, wish I could recall where I saw it, TV or internet I do not recall.

Friday May 25, 2012, 11:23 am

I read a very similar article in Common Dreams yesterday. First the IAEA tells us over and over that Iran is using their uranium for public use electricity. Second, the US has not won a war since WWII and that was with great help from our allies. When will we finally realize that we are not the great conquer of ancient times? We can not afford it, we need to focus on our own country and get things cleaned up and people working. It's none of our business what other countries decide is the best government for them.
I realize I could rant about this and all the many political and foreign relations involved, but that will change nothing. Hawks want war, if people vote them in office then I guess they get just what they ask for.

Friday May 25, 2012, 11:25 am
YUCK

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:23 pm
Hell here we go again, when will we wake up and elect people that would be for peace. Looks like Cheney will get even richer.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:42 pm
Iran began its nuclear develoopment during the Bush attack on Iraq when it was clearly obvious that Bush et al were planning an extension of the war to attack Iran. Iran began the nuclear program to develop a nuclear capability in the effort to create a situation of mutually assured destruction like that that, as they saw it, betweeen NATO and the Soviet Union. Refer to Aesop's fable of the battle between the wind and the sun. The Republicans in the House are the wind.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:48 pm
Stop all WARS Please!

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:48 pm
Thanks Dandelion for the posting. Those who voted for H.Res.568 are beholding to the Military-Industrial Complex who would profit from any action taken by the US againist Iran. They could care less that our young sevrvice men and women would be the cannon fodder thrown at Iran.

Friday May 25, 2012, 12:54 pm
Adding a note: If Iran gets a nuclear bomb capability what can they do with it? Any use of it to attack Isreal would be met with total destruction of Iran since Isreal has far more nuclear ability than Iran. Attacking Iran because of a nuclear program is stupid. It would destroy any positive attitudes that exist toward us in the Middle East. What absolute stupidity!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:02 pm
NOT IN MY NAME!!!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:03 pm
The sad part is it is our tax money they are spending and it is our kids they are sending into war, I bet it isn't their children that will fight. Vote them out!!!!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:03 pm
thanks Dandelion for posting this important story,as well as the other.
How can we feel like americans if we're not telling the middle east what to do?
historically we have always acted like it was ours to do with as we needed,forget that people are trying to live there,it's all about the oil,and the military needing it's funding way up.

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:04 pm
Those 11 warmongers should be thrown out of office immediately. The govenment is basicallay bankrupt, America's industries have been handed over to third world nations having forced millions of people to take crummy low paying jobs and millions are without jobs. Instead of focussing on getting good paying jobs back to this country and repairing our crumbled, once worldwide amired infrastructure, those morons are ready to fight yet another war.

National security is a good thing, but when it becomes a crazy obsession and you can't think about it objectively anymore, it is time to pack your bags and move out!

Remember the Romans, always fighting another war until it became their last one. And the Empire was no more!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:16 pm
Congress is irrelevant and does not listen to the people, they listen to their party. We are a industrial military complex. At least Obama listens more to the people than the military Republicans. Ron Paul would be good but will never be president. The powers that be will not allow it. Eisenhower warned us of this and here we are aching to go to war again. Any excuse to attack Iran and Israel will be involved. And the whole middle east. What is the difference, Iran developing nuclear or we attacking Iran, same destruction.

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:33 pm
The same people who are talking about cutting food stamps are talking about another war?! Gee, shouldn't we wait until we're at least out of Afghanistan? It seems life and money are easily thrown away by this group of lawmakers for whom some idiots voted!

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:41 pm
Hans good comment, only I wished it was 11 warmongers, but it was ONLY 11 who voted down to go to war. Unfortunately it was 390 warmongers. Very sad indeed.

Jean I wish I had your faith in Obama, but you are right in the fact that Obama made Congress irrelevant when he just went into a military action without the approval of Congress or having Congress vote on the funding of his military action. He is the very first President ever, to not go through Congress and just went to war. Peace Prize President my arse.

Indeed Eisenhower did warn us, and I included part of his famous speech in my first comment. He only all to well understood the tragedy of war, and he was a Republican, so what happened to that Party? They are not a Party that Eisenhower would even recognize anymore.

Friday May 25, 2012, 1:51 pm
And as it is Memorial Day week-end, those in Washington could care less about our troops. Oh they will lay a few wreaths around at monuments, but our troops are tired. They have been deployed and redeployed over and over again and they are exhausted.

We are loosing 18 soldiers a day to suicide! That is horrific. We are loosing more to self infliction that we are in battle. They are human beings, their minds and bodies can't take it anymore, and we want more wars? We are sending soldiers on deployment with PTSD, and when they can't take it anymore they kill civilians in other Countries which do not go over well, which it shouldn't, and we make more enemies. We have Afghan soldiers that we have trained that are now shooting our soldiers with the skills we gave them, because they don't want us there.

So yes, remember the dead this Memorial Day, but don't forget the living, and tomorrow 18 more of our soldiers will take their life, as 18 are doing so today. Those statistics alone should be enough to anger the public, but quietly most will go about enjoying their cook-outs and parades.....hey, cuz it's just another day in paradise.....right?

Friday May 25, 2012, 2:02 pm
Click on link:
FACING NINTH DEPLOYMENT ARMY RANGER KILLS HIMSELF

Does anyone see what is wrong with this picture....facing 9th deployment!

Personally I'd like to see the draft come back, right now only 1% of the population is shouldering the war with their blood and tears. Is too easy for the American people to forget, out of sight, out of mind. Heck I pushed a Get Out of Afghanistan Petiton of C2 for a year and got only 776 names, yet a Save Coyotes In Nova Scotia put on the same day got thousands of signatures. The Corporate Media makes sure it isnt' brought to you too often on the news, not like in VietNam with all the reality one would want, no need for the so called reality shows then.

I fought to end the draft, but I think it is the only way to wake up the overall population today. Because when every family might have to send their son off to war, and perhaps their daughters too, then and only then I think it would start to hit home. Right now, few think about it as long as their son doesn't say, "Mom and Dad I'm going to join the military." Then they try real hard to talk them out of it, but is still only a concern to those whose sons or daughters go in anyways. But if there was no choice, if all families were affected, and that includes no Rich persons card for exemption, then I think we'd be listening to a different tune concerning going into more wars.

Friday May 25, 2012, 3:04 pm
Much thanks for this excellent post...and most of the comments were very supportive and informative. John C., thank you so much for the Anon link....I hadn't seen one of their messages in awhile, and noticed the title was, "Anon Final Message to World." I'd been going to the anonops.blogspot.com often for the past several months for updates--but a few wks. ago they changed that site.
So many in the US have been "mass-media-brainwashed." The Bush Regime did so much damage by portraying themselves as "Wild West Heroes" to continue to build this Empire for the wealthiest. Like all we needed was a big cowboy hat and a couple of six-shooters to rule the world. This type of mentality is useful in garnering support from tyrannical religious patriarchs and those already cowering in fear. It greatly disappointed me that the president I voted for not only continued The Bush Doctrine, but expanded it along with pushing bills like SOPA and NDAA. We were dealt a terrible blow by the SCOTUS ruling on Citizens United.
Probably one of the most important points is that neither the people of Iran, Israel or the US want war with each other. It's our "fearless leaders" who warmonger. Are they being "guided" by Corporate money? It has seemed that way to me for many decades. But, it was the people protesting that brought Lyndon Johnson not to run for another term--why are the masses in the streets not being heard now?
ThePowersThatBe have decided that by dividing "we the people" on social issues, and demonizing those who are unemployed and in the greatest need of our safety nets, they can keep us fighting amongst ourselves and unable to mass together to fight back against them. But, I do feel a strong backlash is in the works. I know I'm not backing down, and continuing to spread truth and information. Since this has passed the House, I guess it's headed for the Senate. I will inform my Senators that I want them to vote against war, but they're both Republicans. Each of us has only one voice, but together, if persistent, our voices will grow louder and stronger together and will result in peace. Otherwise, I'm afraid the results will be catastrophic.

Friday May 25, 2012, 3:05 pm
Kind of makes me think we need to wage war on our own government. Sigh.......

Friday May 25, 2012, 3:18 pm
Good comment Lois, very well stated on how things are. I hear you on the Republicans that represent you. AZ is a tough State to live in from all I've read and gathered. Of course we are having our share of the fun here in Florida too. Rick Scott, our Tea Party Governor, is trying to knock of 180,000 people off the voting roles, that will shut them up if they are having no voice in the elections. Time to take to the streets people when they don't even let you vote or listen to your voice when you do.

Friday May 25, 2012, 4:56 pm
The Zionist Entity has ordered its slaves in the Congress to prepare for war and they have obeyed. It doesn't matter to them that Jews will die in any attack on Iran, a peaceful country that has attacked no one for 100s of years. In the Entitty's lust for domination of the ME, it wishes the destruction of yet another country that is no threat to it

Friday May 25, 2012, 5:17 pm
Ahh, THIS is why they brought Dick Cheney out of the closet. So he can give billions of dollars more to Halliburton and give Mittens his very own war. I mean, what is a real Republican man without a war of his own? They're trashing the President for doing the honorable thing and ending two wars we had no business in any way, sure fight terrorists, protect our country, but the two wars Bush lite started did neither. Nor will Mitten's war with Iran. He just needs to sound tough enough to get elected. But dang, we already know he can lead a gang and hold down another child and torture him. He doesn't have to prove he can do it again. He probably won't remember this one either. I wonder if he remembers hiring Cheney today? The most hated politician in American history, who left office with a 13% approval rating is brought into Mitten's inner circle. For this is my bet. They really do think we are so stupid we can't see through their mud slinging. Iran can never be any more of a threat to us than Iraq could. Sure they can bluster, but that is all they've got. They couldn't beat themselves senseless. So let's go a pick a fight - I wonder who will cook up the evidence of their nuclear capability? I bet Cheney hires Halliburton to do the study. Again.

Friday May 25, 2012, 5:24 pm
The thirst for blood and money just never ends...never.

Friday May 25, 2012, 5:46 pm
Not good..the world does not need more wars, death, and blood money

Friday May 25, 2012, 6:39 pm
John Bolton is one of Romney's advisors. Fox News presented Romney's advisors as impartial observers. If Romney is elected, war with Iran is more likely than not. Russia, China and Pakistan are all on record as saying they will defend Iran. All have nuclear weapons. Iran is neither stupid or suicidal. 16 US intelligence agencies and the IAEA all have denied that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.

Why Colin Powell Bashed Mitt Romney’s Foreign-Policy Advisers
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/why-colin-powell-bashed-mitt-romneys-foreign-policy-advisers/

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:27 pm
Just peachy! I was hoping to see the grand finale of the world in Dec. Looks like we are getting closer and closer to curtain call. Interesting that Memorial Day which we pay homeage to those who have died in wars, is the day merchants have killer sales! ya just gotta love capitalism.
Thanks to all the Vets out there that risked and some -gave all. I would have run at the first loud noise, but you stood your ground. I sure as hell hope someday the country REALLY remembers ya'll with health care, etc. You deserve it.

Friday May 25, 2012, 7:48 pm
Aho to that one Gloria.

Friday May 25, 2012, 9:26 pm
''THANKS DANDELION''.....ALL of the politicians need to get there heads out of there asses and STOP playing games. We DON'T need another war! We still have troops in Afghanistan. What are they thinking? There is NO reason to start another war. There have been TOO many soldiers killed already. What is the point? The United States needs to stay out of these foreign countries and mind there own business. ''NO MORE WAR''!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Friday May 25, 2012, 9:38 pm
Noted. Australia are starting to move the solders out & bring them home. America is going the other way. Did Peace get lost?

Friday May 25, 2012, 11:46 pm
Will they never learn? The only justifiable war is to liberate an ally, or to defend if attacked. The last justifiable war America fought was WW2. Since then a paranoid US has invaded Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan - and been forced to withdraw from them all, leaving civillian deaths (collateral damage) and also - in Vietnam, birth dfects from Agent Orange - in their wake. The lessonsseem to have have been wasted. The devastation caused is a national disgrace that can never be erased.
The Iranian regime is brutal and corrupt, but so were the regimes America installed in South America and Indonesia. The Putin regime was imposed on its people by a megalomaniac. Assad in Syria is guilty of genocide . . .
If you start, where do you stop - before we're all blown up?

Saturday May 26, 2012, 12:47 am
noted, thanks for the post Dandelion
War is the most abominable action of mankind. I hope that people will say a clear and loud NO and stand firmly against war. After all, people are the 99%.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 1:30 am
Strangely enough I would have thought the US government had enough on its plate as it was, but obviously it believes that dealing with unemployment, poverty, pollution etc. is so easy there's still plenty of time and money left to declare war on Iran

Saturday May 26, 2012, 3:42 am
I'll correct my thoughts and statement above as to the timing of a war: Here we have it:

"On March 8, the Israel Insider reported that Netanyahu had struck a deal with the United States.

“The US will supply Israel with bunker-busting bombs and refueling planes in return for delaying a strike against Iran until at least the end of the year,” the website reported, citing Maariv, a Hebrew language daily newspaper published in Israel. In short, the long planned strike on Iran will occur after the November election in the United States."
That makes Obama's decision crystal clear,-for all hopeless optimists here : WITH OR WITHOUT OBAMA WINNING 2012, that WAR WILL HAPPEN !
Also on that website:
“Israeli and US air defense forces are also to take part in a major joint drill later this summer in Israel to simulate a massive attack. Thousands of US soldiers are expected to arrive in Israel for the drills.”
Let's hope and pray that many of them will refuse, do your part to influence them to disobey!
Taken from http://www.infowars.com/u-s-ambassador-to-israel-plan-to-attack-iran-ready/

Saturday May 26, 2012, 5:29 am
Oil speculators and defense contractors are some of the groups looking to make a killing on another war. While the nations goes further in debt, funds are cut for the poor and needy, public education is defunded, and our society collapses due to the expense of war, the greedy and wealthy will be lining their pockets laughing at our stupidity. It becomes even more disturbing when you realize that those who are going to become even filthier rich in the next war are buying out congress.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 6:54 am
Thank you Angelika for this information. Over and over again I've tried to show and explain that there makes no difference on which Party gets in office they are BOTH screwing us over. But we have too many Democrats who are keeping the rose colored glasses on, failing to see what is currently going on under a Democrat Administration.

And the Republicans are just that much more crazy going after Women's contraception and unions that the Democrats get a free pass for they stay enough on the side of the people for certain issues as they go about war plans, not going after the banks that tanked our economy along with other Countries, and bit by bit have been signing away our rights like with NDAA.

Sure the Democrats will point to the House that is ruled now by the Republicans, but Congress is primarily Democrat and as is Obama. At one point the House also was majority Democrat, but as the Dem's failed to do anything significant while they had all three, the Tea Party crowd started to take over the House and got some in Congress that has stalled all. I understand that, but why didn't they move when they had the majority in all three places. They didn't as they are bought out just as well.

The only way I can see to get out of this mess is to abandon BOTH Parties and place in 3rd Party Candidates from the top on down. Everyone keeps saying but we don't have other options so I'm picking the lessor of the two, and so the Republicans who are still believing in their Party choose their Candidate who they believe is the lessor of the two and the Democrats do the same.

So we get a back and forth and a back and forth and it is the average citizen that pays. Those in Washington have good health care, good income, and make out well under this corrupted sytem, so why the heck do they want to change it. If We, the People, turned our backs on both Parties and said we are not playing your game anymore and started to vote in people NOT in the pockets of the Oil Industry, Big Pharma, Big Agri, and the Banksters then we could start moving in a new direction. This back and forth between the same two Parties that have gotten us here is not working by voting them back in over and over again.

Unless I misunderstood I thought the Independent Bernie Sanders was very much admired by the people of his state, so not sure what was meant by the statement "We still have Bernie Sanders and while his voice and others like Chris Hedges' voice can be heard, it is very unlikely that "they" will squelch any of our voices." To me they both are the voices of reason, they offer alternative vision out of this mess and into a better way of doing things. I am committed to a better quality of life for those in this Country and upon this planet and if I do see this better vision through a 3rd Party then so be it.

For until and unless the two Parties that exist get their acts together they leave me no other choice, as I will not support this insanity with my vote just because a Candidate belongs to a particular party. I wish I could clone Bernie Sanders and place him in each State of this Union for a few years, or multiply a Democrat like Dennis Kucinich, or bring back some more sane Republicans of the past, like Eisenhower of whose quote I left above in my first comment. Poor Ike wouldn't even have a chance in todays Republican Party it has gone so far off the charts of any reason.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 10:24 am
This is terrible...Noted

Saturday May 26, 2012, 11:46 am
Congress has once again revealed its total lack of principles, its total disregard for the well-being of the American people, and its treasonous capitulation to foreign and corporate interests.

How can we avert this planned catastrophe? We can recognize that our powerlessness is the result of the elite's "divide and conquer" strategy. While the banksters and war profiteers at the top are united, we on the bottom keep ourselves divided -- into Left and Right, Red and Blue, Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. Instead of seeking out common ground, we seek out our differences and use those differences to define ourselves: We are "Not Them".

This negative identity is not good enough. George Washington succeeded because he was NEITHER Left nor Right. He did not live in the tiny one-dimensional universe defined by these two artificial poles. What would Congress do if the TP and OWS movements were UNITED in condemning congressional capitulation to AIPAC and the war lobby?

. .

Here are other threads on this topic:

* "Deal or No Deal, Iran May Be Bombed - Israeli Minister"
* Gareth Porter: "US Hard Line in Failed Iran Talks Driven By Israel"
* John Glaser: "Western Schizophrenia and the P5+1 Iran Talks

Our own military and intelligence sources tell us that "Iranian Nukes" are no more real than "Iraqi WMDs". This is 2003 all over again, only this time the U.S. and Israel will be targeting a country three times bigger than Iraq. Sanctions going all the way back to 1979 have not softened Iran up for the kill; just the opposite, they have prompted Iran to become self-reliant.

Although Iran's judicial system remains mired in the barbarous past, Iran is, in other ways, a modern country. Along with nuclear power, Iran is developing wind and solar power. It has even placed satellites in orbit. What's more, Iran is has observer status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and has the backing of Russia, China, and the non-aligned movement.

Iran supports a nuclear-free zone in the region, and has made many numerous concessions and conciliatory proposals, most of which are instantly dismissed by the war-makers. So this war is obviously not about nuclear weapons. What is it about, then?

* It deflects attention from Israel's war against the native people of Palestine
* It deflects attention from the looting of the global economy by derivatives speculators and central banks
* It creates profits for the war industry
* It brings the U.S. one step closer to capturing the resources of Siberia, the goal in Mackinder's "Great Game"



> What is so breathtaking is that the apparent consensus on Iran, like the case against Iraq, is a fraud.

-- "They Found Nothing. Nothing.’ // The IAEA, Iran And ‘Fantasy Land", *Media Lens*, 24 Nov 2011

. .

> Addressing the Ambassador directly, Prince Andrew then turned to regional politics. He stated baldly that “the United Kingdom, Western Europe (and by extension you Americans too)” were now back in the thick of playing the Great Game. More animated than ever, he stated cockily: “And this time we aim to win!”

-- "Wikileaks files: US ambassador criticised Prince Andrew", BBC, 30 Nov 2010

. .

> When everyone is dead, the Great Game is finished. Not before.

-- Rudyard Kipling

Saturday May 26, 2012, 12:32 pm
If only their media couldn't target a Democrat and destroy him/her...Chicken sh*ts...

Saturday May 26, 2012, 3:56 pm
When & why did the USA become the "aggressor" ?
I am drawing a blank today - a long past US President once stated the end of our fine country if & when we, The USA, becomes the antagonist / aggressor, rather than standing for the freedom of Allies ?
Anyone know what I am trying to pull up here? Guess at this point it doesn't matter - we need to stand for ourselves now against this Government that no longer represents us " we the people" !

Saturday May 26, 2012, 4:17 pm
War is still the racket that Gen. Smedley Butler called out as a fraud. Its implements are still the theft of food, clothing and shelter from those who have too little or none as stated by Gen. and Pres. Dwight Eisenhower. It is the consequence of frustrations and the exhaustion of intellect and sidelining of morality as all conscientious objectors know. It is is sheer hell on earth as all conscious and honest grunts know.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 4:52 pm
No more war !!

Saturday May 26, 2012, 6:57 pm

Yes, Dandelion memorial day is approaching and that again makes me wonder, do we build memorials to remember or forget? I thought about this the first time I went to THE WALL, there many leave behind the most precious objects, and those are now in a museum under THE WALL. If we can forget the horrors of Vietnam then we can forget and move on to the next war and the next and still find excuses to justify it all.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 8:40 pm
Kit B. writes:

> do we build memorials to remember or forget?

In the case of the WTC and the OKC demolitions, we build a memorial in place of an investigation. The Authorities would rather have us shedding tears than asking questions.

Saturday May 26, 2012, 9:00 pm
This is interesting. Kit's comment about this Memorial Day weekend. Dandelion's comment about Memorial Day Weekend and the huge amounts of military suicides. Then, John Cause's link to a very old but extremely interesting Anonymous video. Then, Lois's astute observation that Anonymous has not been around lately.

This Memorial Day Weekend, I fear we may be memorializing two groups of true servants of the freedom of the people. These two groups overlap somewhat.

My youngest son is a super GEEK and he attends a college that completely overturned the type of instruction they offer in 1996. Now it only teaches 21st century technologies.. That is GEEK land and they are closely connected to other GEEK Land post secondary educational institutions. Super GEEKS are a tightly knit community.

Many have recognized other super GEEKS as Anonymous or very close to it. In the last two months there have been many suspicious suicides in the super GEEK community. Last week in my son's school there was a murder followed by a suicide. Even the television news in that city are publicly questioning the murder and calling the suicide suspicious.

There have been many drop outs from the educational institutions. Some people have vanished, who their GEEK friends thought might be Anonymous and now their friends think the whole Anonymous collective is going deep, very deep. Their friends say that the collective has prepared for this possibility and more than ever they will be living their mantra of "We will not forgive. We will not forget." Their friends say that now they will be more effective and their friends point out that all Super GEEKS know the exact procedure to use that will without raising any alarms, will make it possible to "DELETE" themselves. I met the young man who supposedly committed suicide last week. I feel sure he would never have killed himself. I am convinced some people have given their lives for us. This is their weekend.

A White House official during the first Clinton Administration was a suspicious suicide. Back then, when it was covered on the national news, the anchors called it a suspicious suicide and explained exactly what they meant by suspicious suicide.

Many of the Super GEEKS in these technology programs are military veterans who technological training started in the military. They have kept statistical information on the spike in military suicides since Bradley Manning. Their statistics also reveal that more and more military suicides are not taking place in the ranks of combat veterans. But, of course, more are combat and PTSD related per Dandelion's link.

So, this Memorial Day weekend, we must think of serving military and veterans and others who may have sacrificed for our freedoms. We must never forget that "Freedom is Not Free."

The people who live for greed, do not have any morals at all. They only see their fellow men as things to use up in one way or another and then discard.

Sunday May 27, 2012, 8:54 am
Thank you Sheryl for posting and all of the links !

So sad that War is such a BIG business!

Sunday May 27, 2012, 7:40 pm
Thanks Green Bee for the additonal information. Is certainly thoughts to ponder on. I think there are many things that are taking place that many of us are unaware of.

Monday May 28, 2012, 3:56 pm
Thank you very much Dandelion for posting this news and for all the additional information in your comments!.I was already afraid something like this was going to happen one day. They just can't stop making war, it's insane and I agree totally with what Jytte said in here too. The ones who love and want war should use their own money to finance the war instead of using the money of all the tax payers and they should fight it out themselves on a battlefield far away from where people live in peace! Thank you Jytte!
Thanks to all of you, dear Care2 members in here! I read all your comments with great interest.

Tuesday May 29, 2012, 6:49 am
Israel will go on with war against Iran till the last American soldier.PERIOD.

Tuesday May 29, 2012, 6:51 am
.Peace is a very valuable target we all must unite to achieve The cost of war is horrible,we lose friends,relatives,lovers and most important we loose humanity.Let us all stand hand in hand against unfairness,hatred and promote justic that leads to peace.

Friday June 8, 2012, 3:15 pm
Well, after hearing Obama say the "private sector is fine" today, I have a sinking feeling about where our $$$ will go in the near future. Not only do we need EVERYthing in the US here at home, most of us have had enough (and never wanted) war forever. As Anonymous states, the old stories have begun to repeat itself. As in your article, Sheryl, this is similar music composed to enter the Iraq debacle.

Saturday June 16, 2012, 4:28 am
Didn't President , or rather his father, Bush say that Iraq had Nuclear Weapons of Mass destruction? And wasn't that the start of the Iraqi War? It only needs someone to say that Iran has, although they may use it for Nuclear Energy. If the US is going to listen to Israel all the time, we'll be at war all the time! It won't just be the US, but they'll be dragging Australia into it as well because of the ANZUS Treaty. I think that NZ did the right thing to get out of it! Anyway, if they're so paranoid about Nuclear Weapons, what about Japan? They use so much Nuclear Energy, who is to say that it wouldn't be used for anything else?
We've got China on our back already because of all the American Soldiers who've come to Darwin as well! There is enough trouble here, without Israel, or someone else like Bush, getting us into any more trouble!
They're withdrawing out of Afghanistan and just need another excuse to stay in the area! Why can't Israel leave us out of their quarrels?

Saturday June 16, 2012, 5:43 am
Valid points; good question.