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Chasing Ice


Environment  (tags: Chasing Ice, Glacier, calving, Western Greenland, Director Jeff Orlowski, Adam LeWinter, 2008, largest calving filmed )

Dandelion
- 671 days ago - youtube.com
On May 28, 2008, Adam LeWinter and Director Jeff Orlowski filmed a historic breakup at the Ilulissat Glacier in Western Greenland. The calving event lasted for 75 minutes and the glacier retreated a full mile across a calving face three miles wide.



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Dandelion G. (380)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:31 pm
This is the largest calving event ever caught on film. The height of the ice is about 3,000 feet, 300-400 feet above water and the rest below water. This is both awesome to view and at the same time horrifying.

 

Pat B. (354)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:11 pm
WOW.!!! Amazing video.!! I am humbled by the sheer magnitude of this event. This is Mother Nature at her best.!! Thank you, Sheryl for this. Passing this on to friends also, so they can view also.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:33 pm
TU Dandelion. I often saw calving in Alaska but never anything like this! I agree--both awesome and terrifying.
 

AniMae Chi (414)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:39 pm
Australia checking in..... still 'ere ; )

A mild 35C (95F) here today, tomorrow's forecast is 39C (102F), a lovely cool illusion for me.
i wonder about the magnitude of movement beneath the earths crust, wonder if that will ever be filmed.
 

Lisa Neste (704)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:42 pm
Magnificent & scary all at the same time! Thanks for posting Dandelion.
 

Terry V. (30)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:43 pm
Spectacular WAKE up call.

Global Warming, forgetting home

Look At What We Are Doing To Our Earth
 

Barbara K. (83)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:47 pm
Can't wait for the movie to come to a place near me. It looks very exciting and informational about the change our planet is going thru. Thanks, my friend.
 

annie statton (373)
Friday December 21, 2012, 5:09 pm
I find it sad ,so very very sad .
 

Darlene B. (290)
Friday December 21, 2012, 5:44 pm
It is sad annie s.--especially sad that those who run everything refuse to see beyond the almighty dollar the destruction they are doing to Mother Earth. Bless all who love Mother Earth.
 

Christeen Anderson (515)
Friday December 21, 2012, 6:06 pm
Wow. Please do your part to protect Mother Earth. Thank you.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Friday December 21, 2012, 6:19 pm
Glad you are still here Australia....sounds like you are getting what Kit and others were having in Texas in our last summer. We just got a bit of winter weather for us in Florida, was in the 60's F today and tonight will be going into the 40's F, but is warming up by Monday and Christmas will be 78F.
 

Mary T. (186)
Friday December 21, 2012, 7:32 pm
Thanks Dandelion awesome to watch but really scary to think about what we are doing to our planet.
 

Laurie H. (719)
Friday December 21, 2012, 7:33 pm
WOW Sheryl----THIS WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! (AND FRIGHTENING TOO!!!!!) Would love to see the movie. THANKS, my friend!!!!!!!~~~
 

(8)
Friday December 21, 2012, 7:38 pm
Global warming is a happening thing, but are we mere mortals responsible for it?
 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:04 pm
Is the mass media screaming about this? Nah, we were amused with "Top Ten Celebrity Divorces of the Year" and massive coverage of Mayan Doomsday which didn't materialize, and now we might all go on a shopping spree and holiday season gatherings.

The buzz-word in Senate is "fiscal cliff", a problem which most of us here will be able to solve in 3 minutes by reordering US priorities. Actually, there is a web-site where you can propose your federal budget proposition (Demand Progress perhaps?, try Google search).

In the meantime, here is the elephant in the room, the real doomsday, the climate change. Our ahem, leaders (?) meet to discuss international solutions to avert climate change disaster (which has materialized in many places and extreme weather conditions). After 2 weeks session, they agreed to disagree about the minimal common policy and all went home for Christmas. Well done!

In 2009 James Balog gave a TED Talk about recording glaciers' meltings. Balog explained how he combined scientific facts with artistic exposure to create "Chasing Ice", awarded documentary of "climate change in action". In trailer Dande posted here, we can see that climate change is more than mathematical model over which deniers disregarded scientistic evidences as fraud. Climate change is about natural forces with which are NOT negotiable, nor humane. We can not subject nature to our will, nor abuse rules for too long. Mother Earth has been delivering warnings for decades, which we ignored. Is anyone really surprised that she has raised her voice? We will be forced to hear her scream since we ignored her whisper and gentle tone before.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:11 pm
Greg "are we mere mortals responsible for it?"

See for yourself: Global Warming & Climate Change Myths
 

Jelica R. (157)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:15 pm
... and this:

Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate?
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:47 pm
That's truley scarry!
 

Nancy Anderson (20)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:00 pm
Amazing and scary . . .
 

(8)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:13 pm
@ Jelica. "97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming." oh really. How expert are the experts? Our climate is in limbo, it has gone up and down for millions of years. How expert are the experts?
 

SuSanne P. (183)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:14 pm
Thank you Dearest Dandelion. Since I learned 42 years ago that this was inevitable, I am disgusted at the ignorance and selfishness of all who wouldn't question the issue. I can't believe anyone still questions the facts. Scientific facts preceded many years before my introduction many years ago. This is so unacceptable to me as I feel everyone that would disrespect our planet out of indifference, selfishness and greed are responsible for the travesty that we as a whole are experiencing. Yes Greg, we mortals are RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS (IMO). The anger I felt watching the video, viewing and hearing the comparison to Manhattan is worse than I ever imagined. The magnitude is overwhelming to me.
To quote JELICA, Friday December 21, 2012, 8:04 pm
Is the mass media screaming about this? Nah, we were amused with "Top Ten Celebrity Divorces of the Year" and massive coverage of Mayan Doomsday which didn't materialize, and now we might all go on a shopping spree and holiday season gatherings."
Forgive me for my rant, but this this is an issue that has angered me for a very long time.
 

Mm M. (456)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:31 pm
Oh sweetie, was wondering who would post this since I saw it on the news ~ Outstanding and should of known it would be YOU Sheryl to get this out!!! I will forward my dear friend. This hurts me so much I have tears falling. No fit words.
 

Sue D. (156)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:35 pm
Yes, absolutely amazing! Thank you for this view of what is happening. Wow, I am speechless.
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Friday December 21, 2012, 10:27 pm

Thank you Dandelion for showing one more time how concerned you are - in this case about those people living on islands - like me.
For a decade now, I am on an islet in the Istrian part of the Med.
And the sea level rising ?
Nada.
Zero.
Zilch
No such !

Here a few facts, even if the rabid infantry of the Global Warming (yes, it's a religion) Religion does not want to hear !

Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record ~ UPDATE

Rising Sea Levels ?
The Myth of the Rising Sea Levels

The head office of the Climate Change fearmongering says: 'Well, there was no Global Warming for the past 16 years !'
Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it

Only six days of summer in Stockholm
Global WARMING? Only six days of summer in Stockholm this year

Military Climate Modification Technology
Government Documents Link Global Warming to Advanced Military Climate Modification Technology

Geoengineering Causing Climate Change
Alarmists Cover Up: Geoengineering Causing Climate Change

Every Gardener knows: Carbon Dioxide is good for growth !
Washington Whispers Scientist: Carbon Dioxide Doesn't Cause Global Warming
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Friday December 21, 2012, 10:34 pm
Amazing but frightening too
 

Pat A. (116)
Friday December 21, 2012, 10:48 pm
Horrifying news!
 

Lester Wicks (43)
Friday December 21, 2012, 10:59 pm
Thanks for posting this amazing video. It's so sad to see what's happening to Mother Earth.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Friday December 21, 2012, 11:28 pm
Awsome film! Time lapse helps to see a lot that otherwise might be missed.

I liked the part where New York?, a city that was inserted towards the end to help visualize the size of
this ice calving.

Yes, global warming is real!

Australia: Yes, we are still here as of 11:30 pm, pacific time in USA.

Ty, Dandelion.
.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Friday December 21, 2012, 11:30 pm
Whoops - the date: December 21, 2012.

at 11:30 pm.
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:09 am
Thanks Dandelion.

 

Pat A. (116)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:36 am
Something else for the Climate Change Deniers - where are all the VITAL GLACIERS going that produce water for the millions of people below them - as in the Andes and in the Himalayas and in the Alps - they are VANISHING - what is gong to happen when they no longer produce water that people need so that they can live? Chaos and mass population movement that's what!
 

Rita De Vos (87)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:27 am
WOW, I'm stunned & speechless! It truly is awesome to watch this calvinf of ice event and to see the power of nature, but it's at the same time horrifying! I agree with all of you who are truly concerned about climate change and the warming up of the Earth: it's very sad to see that only a very small part of the world is taking responsibility to save the Earth from a huge disaster. Too many people are still willingly ignorant. They behave like ostriches, putting their heads in the sand! I'm afraid that it is already too late to stop what was already put in motion decades ago. But we should try to limit the damage by all means, as much as possible, for the sake of the future generations!!! We need to go back to the basics and live in a simple, natural & authentic way! I'm taking the resolution now to do an even bigger effort myself in 2013 :)

Thank you so much for sharing this video in here dear Dandelion! 'm going to forward it and spread the news ;)

Much love & blessings to all of you dear Care2 friends ♥♥♥
Have a Merry Christmas with your loved ones and a very peaceful and inspiring 2013!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 2:39 am
I can only say, Wow!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 2:41 am
Cheers Dandelion
 

Arild Warud (166)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 4:06 am
After having seen this film I worry about those living close to the coast,lowlying areas and small islands.I've lived close to the sea all my life and I still do but my latest house I built 100 meters above sea level,so I should be safe for at least some more years.This is truly a video that should be shown to all denying Global Warming.This is just part of what's happening,it's now possible to sail big containerships from Norway to Japan almost all year around using the passage north of Siberia because the ice around the North Pole is melting away and with the same pace as the ice in Antarctica is l melting.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07/21/516171/sea-level-rise-it-could-be-worse-than-we-think/?mobile=nc

This article from July 2012 tells us that the sea level will rise up to 30 feet before 2100,really scary.
Thanks for posting this Sheryl.
 

Karen R. (87)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 4:28 am
wow! amazing video!
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 5:17 am
Why is it called 'calving'? This implies new birth and life. Wouldn't 'amputation' be a more accurate and a less cute term for an event that is so terrifying and has implications for the whole world?
 

James W. (263)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:23 am
Lindsay K your so right!!!! Thanks for the post.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:55 am
This is just a foretaste of what is coming as global warming continues to accelerate around the planet and climate change becomes SO real that no one will be able to deny it regardless how many "junk" scientists they buy. This IS a disaster of monstrous proportion and it IS human cause - just the rate of the last 10 years, which have set global temperatures sky high and carbon dioxide levels in our atmosphere greater now than at the the time of the "snowball" earth ice age 640,000 years ago. Many scientists think we past the tipping point now, that reversal is impossible, if that's true then the next 200 to 400 years are going to be most difficult for oxygen breathing creatures, perhaps leading to the largest mass extinction event ever if the planet freezes over again. I wish Al Gore would update his 2005 documentary because while that was startling, things have gotten SO much worse since, that startling is hardly the word. Frightening is.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 7:14 am
Etymologically, calving is cognatic with calving as in birthing a calf.
verb (used without object)
1. to give birth to a calf: The cow is expected to calve tomorrow.
2. (of a glacier, an iceberg, etc.) to break up or splinter so as to produce a detached piece.
verb (used with object)
3. to give birth to (a calf).
4. (of a glacier, an iceberg, etc.) to break off or detach (a piece): The glacier calved an iceberg.

I know there are some around the world, and we have a couple on the thread that do not believe in global warming that is created by humans. While I agree, that our Earth has gone through many changes over the billions of years with ice ages and tropical times, still I feel we need to change our ways in the way we are destroying our planet. If one doesn't want to agree that what we are doing to cause global warming we still have the issues of destruction in the forms of fracking, radiation, air quality, so on and so forth.

The teachings from my Elders said that we should not dig into our Mothers veins and this digging into the ground in the persuit of oil is not a good thing. We are breaking her bones in the fracking process, earthquakes and pollution of our drinking water is now on the rise. Our natural ways of energy are there and we should be moving towards in a rapid pace, if we followed the teachings of indigeneous Elders we'd not be in the mess to begin with.

Although there are some discussions like cap and trade that I do not agree with, a push for more nuclear plants, the so called clean coal, we could of had cars that ran on water by now, except those who invent such things are found dead as was Nikola Tesla who divised a way to offer free electricity. Gee, can't get rich off of "free". So many are found dead or silenced, their patents bought and stored away from being used.

Why do we need so many plastics we could be using natural materials for so much, industrial hemp, bamboo, a lot of products that can be regrown and made into many items for our everyday use. Solar, wind, algae, there are many wonderful ways to proceed but I do believe that our climate is changing and I'd personally would rather err on the side of caution, while at the same time cleaning up our act. Seems like a win win to me.

Thank you all for the wonderful imput and I agree with Jelica, that this is the white elephant in the room that isn't discussed or acted upon as it should, the stupidity in Washington and many other places is mind blowing. Parsifal although very delighted to read your island area is not being affected by rising waters there are islands that have had this experience and continue to do so, their fate upon their islands doesn't look good, one being off the coast of Alaska, but there are more.
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:17 am

yes, keep on spreading fear after Dec 21, 2012 this is exactly what the elites want.
Hollywood has exciting doomsday movies for that purpose and they are great in inventing new fearmongering issues.
Fall for it, the system needs the people in fear as their slaves.

'The mind is like a parachute
it works best, when it's open'
- Cary Vizzutti, Canadian Philosopher and affirmative contemporary

here is more evidence, Global Warming is a hoax

Nada melting glaciers !
Scientific Observations Prove Glaciers Are Not Melting

Arctic Ice Surface same as before 17 years !
Arctic ice surface of the same as 17 years ago
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:30 am
I am very sad when I see this video.Thanks,noted.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:33 am
the world did not end ,in the 2003 prediction which started the doomsday mentality ( actually re-ignited from the 50's), the "rapture" never happened,and now even the Mayan elders say the 21st was "time for a new calendar",
I just read that in 2040 an asteroid will barely miss earth.
I feel like in the Men In Black movie,where we are always at the brink of the end of the world,
personally I think end=change,probably not for the better.
Thanks Dandelion for showing us the reality of how much would have to give for the world to end.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:06 am
I don't think anyone on here is spreading a fear of December 21st, besides it's done and over with and we are here. I thought it was all rather amusing myself. As for after the date, there are serious issues we need to deal with, there are places that the rising water is a big concern, these people on island nations are being affected, call it global warming or has nothing to do with it, they are being affected.

We are seeing changes around the world, drought where there was none, too much rain where it hardly happened, the 100 year floods are coming more frequent, tornados in areas that they were unheard of before, so call it what you will, there are people being affected by the weather and climate changes that are happening, be it man made or otherwise.

I think we do a dis-service to our brothers and sisters to sit back and do nothing and just let it continue on without making the changes that will clean up our air, water, and get the toxins our of our soils. If the greener economy has no impact on climate, well at least we will have cleaner air to breath and water to drink. This is too serious to ignore, if the majority of people are incorrect, then they did err on the side of caution and we all get a cleaner much environment, I see not a thing wrong with that.

We may need to move populations to other locations so they are not standing up to their neck in water and waiting to drown, is not a very compassionate thing to do to allow people to remain in areas that are no longer viable to hold humans.

As I'm about ready to leave I can't give links at the moment, but anyone using a computer can do their own type of research. For there are photos that show many of places that had lots of snow and no longer does, glaciers that were there and are not now, islands shrinking. I believe it is 97% of the Scientists of various fields that agree there is Global Warming, then there are many lay people who are living in the same area all their lives that have seen the changes in their lifetime. I recall much harsher winters of a lot more snow in the winter in the area I was raised in, by the time my children were growing up they hardly got to use their snow sleds.

I don't watch Hollywood doomsday movies have no time for them don't care to waste my time nor money on them. I do listen to the indigeneous Elders with their wise words, I do pay attention to various factual studies, and if a term Global Warming is not a good one to use, so be it, but there are changes, many around the world, from what Arild stated of the almost year round water route from Norway to Japan that never use to be, something is changing, we need to pay attention.

I do believe we need to stop this pollution of our environment from many sources and move to the cleaner ways of living. I think by ingnoring these changes we play into the Corporate hands that want us to remain on these dirty fuels. A lot of the information that knocks down the Global Warming had backing by those who don't want these changes to take place, those Corporations that don't want to loose their monies by going to a cleaner environment.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:08 am
I don't think anyone on here is spreading a fear of December 21st, besides it's done and over with and we are here. I thought it was all rather amusing myself. As for after the date, there are serious issues we need to deal with, there are places that the rising water is a big concern, these people on island nations are being affected, call it global warming or has nothing to do with it, they are being affected.

We are seeing changes around the world, drought where there was none, too much rain where it hardly happened, the 100 year floods are coming more frequent, tornados in areas that they were unheard of before, so call it what you will, there are people being affected by the weather and climate changes that are happening, be it man made or otherwise.

I think we do a dis-service to our brothers and sisters to sit back and do nothing and just let it continue on without making the changes that will clean up our air, water, and get the toxins our of our soils. If the greener economy has no impact on climate, well at least we will have cleaner air to breath and water to drink. This is too serious to ignore, if the majority of people are incorrect, then they did err on the side of caution and we all get a cleaner much environment, I see not a thing wrong with that.

We may need to move populations to other locations so they are not standing up to their neck in water and waiting to drown, is not a very compassionate thing to do to allow people to remain in areas that are no longer viable to hold humans.

As I'm about ready to leave I can't give links at the moment, but anyone using a computer can do their own type of research. For there are photos that show many of places that had lots of snow and no longer does, glaciers that were there and are not now, islands shrinking. I believe it is 97% of the Scientists of various fields that agree there is Global Warming, then there are many lay people who are living in the same area all their lives that have seen the changes in their lifetime. I recall much harsher winters of a lot more snow in the winter in the area I was raised in, by the time my children were growing up they hardly got to use their snow sleds.

I don't watch Hollywood doomsday movies have no time for them don't care to waste my time nor money on them. I do listen to the indigeneous Elders with their wise words, I do pay attention to various factual studies, and if a term Global Warming is not a good one to use, so be it, but there are changes, many around the world, from what Arild stated of the almost year round water route from Norway to Japan that never use to be, something is changing, we need to pay attention.

I do believe we need to stop this pollution of our environment from many sources and move to the cleaner ways of living. I think by ingnoring these changes we play into the Corporate hands that want us to remain on these dirty fuels. A lot of the information that knocks down the Global Warming had backing by those who don't want these changes to take place, those Corporations that don't want to loose their monies by going to a cleaner environment.
Wanting a cleaner environment to me is not running on fear but wanting better for my children and their children yet unborn.
 

Angelika R. (142)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:29 am
That comparison used should be regarded as a bitter warning, next time it WILL BE Manhattan swallowed down.
Thx Sheryl for sharing.. and no, personally, I DON'T even want to watch this on a wide screen in a theatre!
 

Dave C. (216)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:52 am
beautiful and scary....keep care2ing....
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:53 am
Terrifyingly Amazing..... TY Dandelion
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 9:59 am
Project Nsearch. Sounds serious huh? What an unimpressive self promoting crock. What a joke to hold yourself out as truth teller Parsifal....

The prolific spread of deception, by its shear volume, does not change its value or lack thereof.

Pretty much every "argument" made on this pseudo truth tellers blog is easily debunked and has been.


Here is a good video as a primer,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2XVILHUjQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Thankfully some very capable people have looked closely at the denier crowd and their well worn attempts to wear the public out with lies.

I submit this link for your edification. Refer back to it when confronted by those who are either not to bright...or cynical sociopaths, who knowingly deceive for some sort of gain.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/
 

Faye Swan (23)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 11:08 am
Noted and shared - thank you for this.
 

Jane H. (137)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 11:38 am
WOW--amazing beautiful and scary. Thank you, Dandelion--there's no send green star for me to click on---I'll go to your page.
 

SuSanne P. (183)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:31 pm
Just lost my entire post. I'll share my personal experience of where I lived in Shipcove, Newfoundland later as I am too distraught to share it now. For now I'll share ...THINGS ARE CHANGING, whatever the terminology. TY Dandelion. I do not appreciate personal disrespect such as " What a joke to hold yourself out as truth teller Parsifal..." I do not see anything Beautiful about this whatsoever. I could never watch this as Angelica shared as the cut from the knife would be fatal.
 

SuSanne P. (183)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:33 pm
Thank everyone who shared heartfelt truth as well as those who have posted links. This should keep me busy for awhile...
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:13 pm
Billions of humans eating trillions of animals contributes more harm to Earth Mother and causes more climate changes, droughts, floods, waring, deforestation, filth and toxins in fresh waters and ocean acidification, green house gases, GMOS and "cides" in soils and crops that carries over to all life, than ALL OTHER FACTORS COMBINED. We humans MUST EAT THE ORGANIC VEG'N DIET and unlearn the destructive ways of the Romans and other self-centered lifeways that now dominate the belief systems and RElearn the original teachings and practices of the spiritual me and women. .
 

Jane Mckenzie (20)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:31 pm
Thanks - WOW!!
 

magdika-cecilia Perez (131)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:36 pm
amazing and sad
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:46 pm
Noted , thanks , amazing but sad !
 

LaurenSICK Kozen (159)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:58 pm
Amazing & Very scary. Thanks for posting Dandelion.
 

Mariette AWAY (151)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 2:23 pm
Thanks for posting Sheryl. Oh my goodness, but this is really scary to watch and to see what we are doing to our planet earth!
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:19 pm
Trying to prove that global warming is a hoax, Parsifal modestly gave links to 2 articles which he wrote. Fine, let's assume that Parsifal is a scientist with hands-on experience in monitoring global climate events. I found the titles of suggested articles intriguing and, being curious thinking being for all my life, I followed links and actually did read them. I did even more, I followed the links he provided as sources for his speculations. Then I followed the links his sources used... and their links... it was long and enlightening reading, to be polite.

Citation from Parsifal's article Scientific Observations Prove Glaciers Are Not Melting. I found this one to be very illustrative for climate change ignorants' claims, and I am going to expose it: "Along with the glaciers not preforming up to climate change alarmists expectations, it has been noted that flowers are blooming up to 8 times faster than were projected."

Next, I went to see the sources for "fast flowers blooming": Real World Environment Proves Climate Change Models were Wrong; by Sussane Posel:

"According to a study published in the journal Nature, plants are flowering up to 8 times faster than were projected. The authors of the study admit that their previous summations were incorrect and based on erroneous information.
......
Elizabeth Wolkovich, lead researcher from the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, along with other scientists, observed warming experiments of 4 continents and 1,634 plant species.
.....
The Royal Meteorological Society in the UK created a detailed network of scientific observers who recorded flowering times and dates. They recorded their data reaching back to 1875.

Wolkovich discovered that contrary to their computer model projections, “in terms of long term observations, the records are very coherent and very consistent and they suggest for every degree celsius of warming we get we are going to get a five- to six-day change in how plants leaf and flower.”"

I would like to emphasize:
1. models predicted acceleration in plant's grow with rising average temperature; and
2. plants are flowering up to 8 times faster than were projected.

Therefore, I conclude,
a) scientist models UNDERESTIMATED effects of global warming;
b) plants grow faster, which undoubtly CONFIRMS that the average temperatures HAVE RISEN.

By now you know what I did next - to verify my conclusions, I checked the source, Warming experiments underpredict plant phenological responses to climate change; a letter by Wolkovich and 18 other scientists submitted to the Nature.

Citation: "We compared phenology (the timing of recurring life history events) in observational studies and warming experiments spanning four continents and 1,634 plant species using a common measure of temperature sensitivity (change in days per degree Celsius). We show that warming experiments underpredict advances in the timing of flowering and leafing by 8.5-fold and 4.0-fold, respectively, compared with long-term observations. ..."

Thus, my conclusions (that observed plant growth proved the average temperature rising) were correct.

However, Posel's conclusions pointed at something completely different. So I have to check who is Susanne Posel, an authority on which Parsifal based much of his diatribes. Wikipedia and Amazon have nothing about her, which is fishy. She has a Facebook page (BTW, Posel loves American Idol and her favorite activity is History). Also, Posel "runs" a web-site Occupy Corporatism. Quote-marks on "run" are explained here:
Susanne “Copy-Paste” Posel’s Plagiarizing Ways Exposed.

On another Facebook page, Global Tin-Foil Hat Day *Wear it with Pride* Conspiracy "Theory" Awareness, Diabolical Avocado exposed Susane Posel:
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:26 pm
... continued:
On another Facebook page, Global Tin-Foil Hat Day *Wear it with Pride* Conspiracy "Theory" Awareness, Diabolical Avocado exposed Susane Posel:
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:32 pm
I'll try again:
IS OCCUPY CORPORATISM/SUSANNE POSEL A DISINFORMATION AGENT?

"A few days ago I was going through my news feed to see what stories were gaining currency with conspiracy "theorists"/truthers, and I happen to come upon an article by Susan Posel who writes/edits the "e-zine" Occupy Corporatism. ... "

Diabolical Avocado then described his research on Posel... and his conclusion is:

"I formally suggest that OCCUPY CORPORATISM is a BLACK OP and DISINFORMATION AGENT!"

Comments gave additional informations about Posel's activity, like this one: More Bogus Claims of Imminent Martial Law

Speculations about Parsifal's mental state are, of course, ad hominen, and of topic.
 

Debra B. (24)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:59 pm
Thanks
 

William 'Skip' Dykoski (9)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 10:20 pm
Thank you very much, Jelica R. for doing research on Parsifal Rain Satori's comments, links and references. I usually don't even take the time to delve into this class of comments.
Without doing your level of research, two things jumped out at me from his remarks: "It's not happening in my back yard so everything is okay. Not all parts of the ocean change level at the same rate and at first it is inches which you'll hardly notice at the beach, but later it is many meters if Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets go. And small increases can have large effects during increasing horrific storms. In my back yard in Minnesota, US, we always would have 40 below (C or F) for a week or so almost every winter and I haven't seen that since the 90's, so What Me Worry?
The second thing I noted is a tired argument of the deniers is that carbon dioxide is good for plants, so what's the problem? It is true that if all other things stay the same slightly increasing CO2 helps them grow better and faster, but climate scientists never say that the increase of CO2 from 250 to ~400 ppm directly hurts plants, but the resulting severe droughts, deluges and floods, withering prolonged heat, forest fires, etc. are killing the plants. Ask the farmers in Russia in '11 (they had to import wheat) and mid-west US last summer (still dry). Devastating to farmers and those who eat their goods.
One glacial speed thing I have notices over the last ten years of reading these comments is there are considerable less deniers commenting. Nature is speaking like a distant thunderous waterfall while we are lazily drifting down the river in our planet earth boat, but if we don't hear and head the signs soon we won't be able to change course in time - and there is no leaping off.
I am not a climate scientist, but a low energy nuclear physics scientist - so, I too am an amateur in this subtle earth science.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (385)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 11:35 pm
Beautiful and frightening.
 

Evelyn B. (48)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 1:48 am
Awesome capture - beautiful and fearsome. Thank you for sharing
Fascinating series of commentaries, too - thanks for those who researched further, as well.

I have difficulty in understanding those who desperately try to refute climate change ... While the "warming" may seem imperceptible, being averages over time that can also include sharp cold, so without close monitoring one might not be aware of the warming effect - the changes we are living are more blatant, even to non-experts. For example - for several years I've noticed that we don't have 4 clear seasons any more. We bounce around between winter days, spring days, summer days - and not even always in that order! Plants and trees are getting confused - they start putting out spring growth in January instead of March - then get hit by another winter spell, they get through summer, think it's spring again ..... along comes a winter snap ... Birds are having the same problem with reading the seasons. Early this year I saw several nests where baby birds hatched in January were killed by a harsh winter snap of 10 days in February. And we are seeing more frequent major events such as hurricanes ... Maybe the shrinking world & internet etc do mean that we hear more of what happens elsewhere - but even so, there are more frequent, and apparently more severe major storm events & related catastophes happening - and causing other catastrophes. I leave projections to experts - but I can see that there are changes happening, and something has to be done to minimise the impact ... it is already too late to avoid all negative impact.
To ignore a reality we are living with is to follow that old advice: "Bend over, grasp your knees, put your head bteween your legs .... and kiss your ass goodbye"!
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 3:04 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Tanya W. (53)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 4:17 am
Amazing and frightening!! Mother nature is truly in charge of the largest events but sadly influenced by humans!!
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 6:48 am
Thanks for submitting this. The question continues to be asked:
Where is the leadership from the world's "leaders"?
 

Ingrid A. (531)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 9:06 am
Yes please do your part to protect Mother Earth.
 

l L. (1)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 10:24 am
Thx D...

AS you can see I am at the film site... I have found it and watched it... Breath taking but wouldn't want to be affected by it and I see your point of climate change..
World din't come to an end.. still here.. no more prophecies left that I know up to keep us on guard.. we are free... Hallelujah .. thank yu Jesus. Now what?
What can we choose to freak us out about now? Oh that's right.. there is one.
See you all later..
 

Susan Allen (218)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 12:33 pm
Thanks for sharing this video Dandelion. I was in awe watching it and very sad as well.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 2:12 pm
Just want to add my thanks to Dandelion for posting. Ominous! Am going to share this.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 8:19 pm
Thanks for your comment, William. I am glad to see a scientist here and, even though you're not a climatologist, scientific education enables analysis based on the available facts and acceptance of (occasionally undesirable) conclusions - capability, the lack of which is regrettably evident in some people.

I went through Parsifal's links on behalf of people who still might be on the fence regarding climate change and the severity of consequences. I know that people generally do not follow links, so I wanted to demonstrate how misrepresentation of facts, superficial reading and fundamental misunderstanding of scientific method can completely change the public perception of the results of particular scientific analysis. That is precisely the method used to create allegedly questionable validity of the climate change theory. To the big ignorants' dismay, actual events have not only confirmed the climate change theory but have also demonstrated that scientific projections were too conservative, as the effects of climate change are actually much stronger and quicker than anticipated by mathematical models.

We are now facing a very uncertain future. One can not negotiate with thermodynamics, thermodynamics has rules no one can avoid. Wishful thinking, meditations and New Age mantras won't do; we need urgent actions on a material plane to keep the temperature rise below 2 deg. C. We have lost 20 years already, so we must work harder and it is going to be much more expensive.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Monday December 24, 2012, 12:11 pm
The stats at the end surely give additional credence to the "global warming" phenomenon. But, heaven knows, there will still be those who are too frightened to acknowledge it. It's stark raving madness that keeps people denying that human beings have affected their environment by inserting pounds of refuse into the environment. Too bad the end of the world didn't happen... that wouldn't have shown them!! (Just joking, folks, but it is frustrating that the naysayers aren't just laughed off the planet. Thanks, Dandelion. You persist in keeping the info coming. Good for you!
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday December 25, 2012, 9:52 am
SuSanne P.,

" I do not appreciate personal disrespect such as " What a joke to hold yourself out as truth teller Parsifal.."

Your displeasure at my calling a spade a spade is noted SuSanne, however, I stand by my appraisal. Have a nice day.
 

Diane B. (275)
Tuesday December 25, 2012, 6:39 pm
it's amazing but so sad, many years ago people warned for that but nobody listen at that time and now when it's nearly to late everybody is talking about it, so many time is loosing, so little time to do something or is it to late ????
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday December 25, 2012, 8:42 pm
Not too late, yet - but very late. If we started 30 years ago, when it was understood where are we heading and how to avoid it, we would be done by now without significant disturbances. Since we are starting late, it will be both harsh and expensive transition with a lot of personal sacrifices. Many people do not understand how much our society will have to change to be truly sustainable. For example, we will need about 60% of populace in food production; many now influential professions will vanish... imagine a mix of 19 century society lifestyle with 21 century technology plus some yet unrecognised factors. This is one of better scenarios; other predict some Mad Max scenario with fights over scarce resources, if we delay transition beyond a point of minimal social cohesion. Still, there are many small-scale initiatives: community gardens, local energy coalitions, transition towns... we humans are pretty resourceful and resilient species and there are many local actions connected in a loose networks, sharing experience and knowledge - Google will list hundred of thousands, if you check. IMO, Governments will not do anything unless forced to act, therefore we must start working from the bottom, as genuine grassroot movements, and push authorities to do their part. Can be done
 

Little Mermaid (51)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 10:54 am
Thanks! Very interesting!
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 12:04 pm
Thank you Jelica for your additional comments and for the time you spent checking into the links that others had left. There are topics in which Parsifal is very well versed in and I'm in agreement with, this is one place I am not. I do not understand why anyone would be naysayers as by cleaning up the environment it is a positive thing to if the global warming was happening or not. But too many studies prove it is happening, and as I said before, it is better to err on the side of caution because if the naysayers are wrong, which I believe they are, then what. Kiss our butts goodbye, and their I'm sorries are going to mean nothing to the people who are dying and suffering due to failure to act when there was time.

We as a people around the world will have to make many changes, but change doesn't have to be bad, in fact the way we live now isn't such a wonderful way. We are the rats on the wheel for the Corporations to allow a few at the top to get very wealthy at the running of the many rats who barely get to see their families or have time to enjoy a bit of life too. We are destroying our environment, eating the mass produced crap and factory farmed animals and the fish which is adversly affecting our health, again, all done in a way that a few get weathly while the rest of us suffer along with the animals and our land, water, and air.

Change could actually be a very good thing allow us to instead of accumulating "things" to have more time to enjoy the arts, music, dance, reading, family, and being with friends. Various studies have shown that it only takes 2 to 4 hours per day to meet our basic needs after that we should have leisure time, but Corporate will not have that for all of the masses, time to read, be with family, enjoy life, right now only they feel that is something that is afforded to the Elites.

"We did not ask you white men to come here. The Great Spirit gave us this country as a home. You had yours. We did not interfere with you. The Great Spirit gave us plenty of land to live on, and buffalo, deer, antelope and other game. But you have come here; you are taking my land from me; you are killing off our game, so it is hard for us to live.

Now, you tell us to work for a living, but the Great Spirit did not make us to work, but to live by hunting. You white men can work if you want to. We do not interfere with you, and again you say why do you not become civilized? We do not want your civilization! We would live as our fathers did, and their fathers before them." Crazy Horse

"Before our white brothers arrived to make us civilized men, we didn't have any kind of prison. Because of this, we had no delinquents. Without a prison, there can be no delinquents. We had no locks nor keys and therefore among us there were no thieves.

When someone was so poor that he couldn't afford a horse, a tent or a blanket, he would, in that case, receive it all as a gift. We were too uncivilized to give great importance to private property. We didn't know any kind of money and consequently, the value of a human being was not determined by his wealth.

We had no written laws laid down, no lawyers, no politicians, therefore we were not able to cheat and swindle one another. We were really in bad shape before the white men arrived and I don't know how to explain how we were able to manage without these fundamental things that (so they tell us) are so necessary for a civilized society." John Fire Lame Deer

“It was true that I didn’t have much ambition, but there ought to be a place for people without ambition, I mean a better place than the one usually reserved. How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?”
Charles Bukowski, Factotum, Black Sparrow Press, 1975

"Industrial man—a sentient reciprocating engine having a fluctuating output, coupled to an iron wheel revolving with uniform velocity. And then we wonder why this should be the golden age of revolution and mental derangement."
Aldous Huxley, Time Must Have a Stop, 1944

"But men labor under a mistake. The better part of the man is soon ploughed into the soil for compost. By a seeming fate, commonly called necessity, they are employed, as it says in the old book, laying up treasures which moth and rust will corrupt and thieves break through and steal. It is a fool's life, as they will find when they get to the end of it, if not before."
Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854

"My young men shall never work, men who work cannot dream; and wisdom comes to us in dreams. You ask me to plow the ground. Shall I take a knife and tear my mothers breast? Then when I die she will not take me to her bosom to rest. You ask me to dig for stone. Shall I dig under her skin for her bones? Then when I die I cannot enter her body to be born again. You ask me to cut grass and make hay and sell it and be rich like white men. But how dare I cut off my mother's hair." Smohalla - Shahaptian Wanapum

There are better ways to live, than destroying our environment and making a few wealthy while millions go hungry and are homeless. But we all must have a better Vision than this Corporate made one.

"A very great vision is needed and the man who has it must follow it as the eagle seeks the deepest blue of the sky." Crazy Horse Ta' Shunke Witko





 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 6:50 pm
Thanks for your wisdom, Dandelion. I am also disturbed when people dismiss all warnings scientists have given for more that 40 years. Like you said, global warming or not, we live on the bottom of the garbage can, and a very dirty one. While we listen 24/7 "no jobs", we have so much work to do just to clean the mess and grime that everyone will easily find a place to contribute. Yet, we are expected to sit, watch TV, and ask no questions about big issues. Climate change deniers (be they mercenaries or ignorants, I do not care any more) fit all too well in this corporate agenda that I can't help but see them as enemies of humankind. After we wasted decades on futile discussion, it is time to take the gloves off, forget about manners and call them by their real name - the enemy.

I said before in another comment that I have checked the links to debunk deniers' methods of creating confusion about climate change. I didn't have to dig deep to find the worms. After just a few sentences, they crawled everywhere. Without the slightest trace of a doubt I can say that Parsifal, if he did not simply invent rubbish he wrote, was not bothered enough to read the articles by Sussane Posel he referred to. On the other hand, Posel consciously lied and intentionally spread misinformation (or plagiarized - see link in my comment), figuring that people will not read anything other than the title. Posel correctly cited the source, and then performed salto mortale by finding something that can not be concluded from the citations without a significant dosage of some hallucinogenic substance. What an impostor!
 

Diane B. (275)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 9:36 am
thanks my dear for letting me know all this
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday December 28, 2012, 4:29 am
Thanks Cheryle for this post. There must be a way to keep our mother earth safe. Without this we all are going to regret the day we stopped caring.Sorry I couldn't see this post before today.
 

Sandra M Z. (114)
Friday December 28, 2012, 8:18 am
Since this was filmed almost 5 years ago, who knows how much more has fallen off? It is good to make changes for the "Greener", no matter "what" is going on with Earth. An event of this size, the "disasters" that are now routine, really show how little man has control of anything like a Planet, we are as ants against these forces! How fragile we are. "Life is Fragile, Handle with Care", was Dow's old slogan, it would serve Earth Beings well to respect and act from that posture.

If Dow Chemical can be producing fantastic solar roof shingles, it is no problem for all corporations to make $$$ providing the latest Green innovations and products of every scope. Sell us those energies and things, sustainable Life giving things! Produce them in ways that protect our environment. Money does not have to come from destruction, money can be made from Doing the Best Things.

2013 The Year of the Yes! Yes to all Intelligent Goodness Worldwide!

Noted, Thank you Sheryl.








 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Friday December 28, 2012, 10:37 am
Thanks
 

. (0)
Friday December 28, 2012, 11:55 am
A mixture of wonder and terror. ..thanks Sheryl and Parsifal for the links
 

Paul Girardin (140)
Friday December 28, 2012, 5:01 pm
Gaia (Mother Earth) really needs to be cared for!

Digned & noted.
 

federico bortoletto (34)
Saturday December 29, 2012, 6:24 am
Grazie per la condivisione. Un video incredibile!!
 

Lisa Zarafonetis (177)
Tuesday January 1, 2013, 11:22 pm
Shared on Facebook.
 

Brian M. (200)
Tuesday January 15, 2013, 5:20 pm
Anyone who hasn't seen this movie really needs to get it and watch it today. We will not survive climate change at the rate that we are accelerating it. We must demand radical change now if we, our children, and the seventh generation are to have any hope at all.
 

Arthur S. (88)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 1:32 pm
WHOA, this is powerful. At the same time I find it so sad. Sorry, just caught this when I was looking through your news dear. Thank you so much for sharing. No words, oh what have we done to our Earth?
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 3:23 pm
I know from the videos you have placed onto C2 Arthur that you are passionate for others to think about how they treat the earth, so I'm glad you were able to get to this one. Need we anymore proof to give to the naysayers.
 

Mandi T. (429)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 12:11 pm
AWESOME , the power of nature.,:)
TY sweetie for sharing.
 

Mandi T. (429)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 12:12 pm
And sad at the same time.:(
 
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