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Taxi To The Dark Side


World  (tags: UN International Day In Support of Victi, United States, Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Dilawar of Yakubi, Taxi to The Dark Side, taxi driver, torture, war crimes )

Dandelion
- 516 days ago - youtube.com
June 26 is UN International Day In Support of Victims of Torture. This is in-depth look at the torture practices of the United States in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay, focusing on an innocent taxi driver in Afghanistan who was tortured and killed.



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Dandelion G. (387)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 4:55 pm
This isn't easy to watch but learn what has been done in YOUR Name!

"Silence means consent." Sir Thomas More (1478-1535)

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

Torture is prohibited under international law and the domestic laws of most countries in the 21st century.
It is considered to be a violation of human rights, and is declared to be unacceptable by Article 5 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Signatories of the Third Geneva Convention and Fourth Geneva Convention officially agree not to torture prisoners in armed conflicts. Torture is also prohibited by the United Nations Convention Against Torture, which has been ratified by 147 states.

Professor Doug Cassel; "If the President (USA) deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there's no law that can stop that?

That's what you wrote in the August 2002 memo

John Woo; "I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that."

At 1 hour 35 minutes into the film you will learn where Bush places into a document pardoning himself.
 

Tamara Noforwardsplz (185)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 6:52 pm
Noted, bookmarked to watch tomorrow, twittered and google shared. I believe we all have a duty to watch, learn and then rise above the atrocities committed in our names and do everything we can to right the wrongs. Speak out, tell this nation's leaders that we will not allow this. We cannot and should not be silent. This is wrong, it goes against every edict laid out by the UN. Countries around the world agree that torture is inhumane and illegal. This is not something a so called "civilized society" should allow let alone condone. We need to stand up and prove to ourselves and the world that we are a people of compassion, integrity and an ingrained sense of honor. If our leaders are unwilling to do so, then we will do it for them. Thanks Sheryl. This is a brilliant post, kudos for bringing it to our attention.
 

Joan McAllister (1064)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 6:59 pm
Did not have time to watch all of it, will pick up again to-morrow. Thanks Dandelion
 

Jim Phillips (3203)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 7:40 pm
Bush & Cheney + his administration should be tried for war crimes in the Hague and spanish courts.

Bush used a bill to "pardon" himself and others from being charged with war crimes.
But, they left out the common military and its soldiers.

Torture, under the bush administration, was wrong, terribly wrong.

Now, more than ever, Guantanimo Bay needs to be closed.
Those that are cleared to go home should go home now.

Ty, Dandelion.
.
 

Ron B. (221)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 8:08 pm
It's not so much that humans have lost their way as that we've never found it in the first place. Thank you, Dandelion, for helping to remind us of something that too many people just don't want to think about.
 

Deb E. (63)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 10:06 pm
Humans are still just animals trying to "act" civilized. When placed back into an environment of kill or be killed, things get ugly. War is hell. Always has been and always will be and I just pray that the powerful will be brought down by the "meek" soon so that humans can get on with the business of being "humane". Thank you for the movie link, Sheryl. Things just don't have to be this way. So sad and disturbing that they still are.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 10:50 pm
Cheers Dandelion
 

AniMae Chi (428)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 11:24 pm
Some petitions....

http://www.change.org/petitions/president-obama-close-detention-facility-at-guantanamo-bay-3
President Obama: Close Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay

http://www.petitiononline.com/aic122/petition.html
Seeking Government of India to Ratify Convention Against Torture

http://www.petitiononline.com/spirasi1/petition.html
Support for Services for Survivors of Torture in Ireland

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stopchildtorture/
Stop Child Torture in Nepal

http://www.bradleymanning.org/featured/sign-daniel-ellsbergs-petition-to-free-bradley-manning-2
Sign Daniel Ellsberg’s petition to free Bradley Manning!

http://www.standwithbrad.org/
We stand with accused whistle-blower US Army PFC Bradley Manning

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/justice-for-torture-victims
Justice for Torture Victims

https://www.change.org/petitions/israel-stop-detaining-victims-of-trafficking-and-torture
Israel: Stop Detaining Victims of Trafficking and Torture

http://tassc.org/blog/campaign-to-end-torture/petition-to-end-torture/
Petition to Attorney General Eric Holder to End Torture

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/united-nations-torture-survivors-from-iran-should-speak-at-un-when-iranian-officials-do
United Nations: Torture survivors from Iran should speak at UN when Iranian officials do.

http://www.change.org/petitions/grant-human-trafficking-victim-sara-kruzan-freedom-by-the-end-of-2012
Grant Human Trafficking Victim Sara Kruzan FREEDOM by the end of 2012

https://www.change.org/petitions/take-action-to-stop-human-trafficking-in-sinai
Take Action to Stop Human Trafficking in Sinai

http://www.avaaz.org/en/bradley_manning/
Stop Wikileaks Torture

http://www.stoptorture.org.il/en/atirot - all the section
 

AniMae Chi (428)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 11:25 pm
Will watch later tonight, thanx Dandelion!
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (266)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 11:49 pm
Makes me hang my head in shame Please take a moment of silence and prayer for those tortured
sign all the petitions
 

Arild Warud (169)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 12:54 am
"You shouldn't endure so pleasantly the injustice that isn't done to you" Arnulf Øverland (Norwegian Poet)
Will watch,have fw.
Thanks Sheryl
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (280)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 3:05 am
I will save this Dandelion thank you

Have signed Petitions AniMaeChi
 

Terrie Williams (772)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 5:41 am
Not going to go into Bush, et al, today because i am out of my BP meds. Not amping up today. Will watch this later Sheryl, when I am in the right mind to do so and have my meds again. Have bookmarked it.
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 8:05 am
Noted, I will definitely watch this tonight, have a doc appointment in a bit...bookmarked for reference and signing AniMaeChi's petitions now. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 11:38 am
For those who are watching later I hope you'll return and leave comment. If not, I appreciate that you will at least view. I had known some was going on but was worse than I even suspected. Again, sorry, is a hard viewing but if we don't get out of our comfort zone, these people have suffered and die in our lack of speaking out. I want my Country to be better than this! This only creates more enemies for us.
 

Katie K. (70)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 12:56 pm
This disturbs me to my soul. Just look into the eyes of the 3 demons Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld. If these men aren't evil incarnate I'll kiss you butt. The evil that just exudes from these 3 is truly frightening and they were in charge and look what that has gotten us while they all bask in opulent luxury at all our expenses and the misery of other nations. They all are vested in oil and armament companies that thrive on the misery of others.
 

Bryan S. (105)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 2:11 pm
Thank you Dandelion. This is one of those documentaries i wanted to watch but somehow never did, so i will now. I agree that it couldn't be more important.

And agree that all responsible for the torture should be tried for thier crimes. In addition to torture violating the Geneva Convention (which is also a violation of the US Constition since the US is a signatory), the Convention also mandates that any violators shall be prosecuted. It shouldn't have anything to do with the opinions of the next admin (the "look forward not back" bullsh*t).

And notice (especially lately) that spying on citizens is always justified as simply a necessary action to prevent attacks. Never would they say that attacks could be prevented in the first place by not torturing, along with not imprisoning without due process, supporting oppresive regimes, invading, or bombing.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 2:13 pm
Long, worth it, but very disappointing what happened. But sometimes those that are carrying out the orders are responsible.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 3:19 pm
Thanks Sheryl,-but please excuse me, I cannot watch this, too depressing.. and with so many weeks now gone by and still NOTHING done for gitmo detainees..it's all just so tragic and doing a serious thing to my mind. I'm getting more depressed by the day with little hope left for the future
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 3:43 pm
Is ok Angelika, this was more for those who live in the USA and still think our Country is working under the rules we grew up with. Wars our Fathers and Grandfathers fought in when we believed and tried to take a high road in these matters. I'm sure all was not done perfectly and squeaky clean, but I do not believe our Country ever did something like this, so far off the moral compass that it is indeed sickening.

39 hits for something this horrific, yet over 200 hits for a dog left at a shelter, that didn't die and wasn't any torture involved. I love dogs, but I also love where I live, on this ground, and I love human beings too, and I don't like what the flag of the ground I reside upon is doing in my name. For the dog lovers, do you want the dogs shown in this film to be used this way?

So I do what I can, I place this important story onto the internet, and I can only hope that a few more people see it, learn about this, and maybe tell others. I'd like to save every four legged animal there is out there but I also want to save this whole Country that if it doesn't begin to change there will be a lot more than animals in deep suffering. Saving one dog doesn't wipe the blood off of our hands when our Leadership is doing this in our name. The flag of the USA represents ALL of us, not just some of us, and I'm tired of having my hands in this blood. These people, no matter who they are, no matter where they live are still human beings. This is a war upon ourselves when we don't stand up to something like this.

I can't force people to watch, I can't force them to come to this thread. But by golly the American people so need to get the blinders off their eyes.
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 7:26 pm
I will watch tomorrow and will come back to post as Im sure Ill have much to say..did you send this to all your friends Dandelion? Maybe repost in your next newsletter?..It is quite long so hopefully people just need to find the time to sit and watch...some feel they are contributing more to save that one dog, when those in govt are so out of touch and so out of reach, we feel small and insignificant, although we have seen MANY great things happen when we PULL TOGETHER..plus politics makes some of us ANGRY and we cant mentally/emotionally and even physically deal with it. I know sometimes Im just so angry and shocked I have to sign out for a bit but I still WANT TO KNOW. Just need to take it in little bites. Continue educating us and thank you for all that you alone have taught me..I learn and pass it on and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
 

Susan Allen (218)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 8:08 pm
Felt so sad watching this film; man's inhumanity to man. There is nothing that justifies this type of treatment to an animal, let alone a human being. Thanks for posting it Dandelion. Have noted and shared.
 

Deb E. (63)
Thursday June 27, 2013, 8:56 pm
Watched ... cried ... felt sick. I knew. I knew about horrors of Viet Nam and of WWII and WWI. I think you are absolutely correct in saying that nothing like this has ever been done by our military. A sad time for Americans who remember what this country used to be.
 

Winn Adams (199)
Friday June 28, 2013, 7:26 am
Thanks Dandelion.
 

Aurea Walker (211)
Friday June 28, 2013, 7:46 am
Bush, cheney and Rumsfeld slimed America with their shit! These war criminals come out $melling like roses and we americans are still paying for their sins! I did watch the video and left a comment, to me bush, cheney and Rumsfeld should be tried as the war criminals they are.
 

Clifton Jackson (124)
Friday June 28, 2013, 12:23 pm
Wow, this is not a good thing.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday June 28, 2013, 12:39 pm
Thank you for watching and learning what is being done in our name. No, it's absolutely not a good thing. It has changed this Country into the places we use to be told we stood against.
 

monka blanke (85)
Friday June 28, 2013, 1:05 pm
Have signed Petitions AniMaeChi.
Thanks Dandelion for bringing this up, I'm not surprised, no wonder people don't like America...this is so sad.
The U.S. is weird in so many ways, like the "Alford Plea" = saying you're guilty while you're innocent !! I'm glad I don't live in America.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Friday June 28, 2013, 1:21 pm
Torture is a waste of time; nondamaging scopolamne-pentothal dose is much more reliable for military data. Our politicians and 'leaders' are idiots.
 

Jamie Clemons (283)
Friday June 28, 2013, 1:44 pm
We need a regime change here at home.
 

Tony Smith (0)
Friday June 28, 2013, 3:27 pm
thanks
 

Tony Smith (0)
Friday June 28, 2013, 3:28 pm
thanks
 

Birgit W. (150)
Friday June 28, 2013, 3:58 pm
What a horrific story Thanks Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday June 28, 2013, 4:56 pm
I agree Jamie, but this has happened under both the Republicans and the Democrats, so I'd say, either go 3rd Party or clean up your Parties, don't keep voting in the same ones in all the time.
 

marie c. (168)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:24 pm
Thank you for posting Dandelion have not watched I have a lot going on at the moment but will get back to it.
 

marie c. (168)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:32 pm
Felt back and have just watched it really have no words to express this frightening situation
Where will it end
 

marie c. (168)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:33 pm
Sorry I am very upset I meant Felt Bad and just watched it
 

Russell R. (87)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:44 pm
CIA works Above the Law!" withfailures to inform Congress fully or accurately about issues like the: C.I.A. involvement in the downing of a missionary plane mistaken for a narcotics flight in Peru in 2001, and two "matters that remain *classified*", as well as the rumored-assassinations question. In addition, the inquiry is likely to look at the Bush administration's program of eavesdropping without warrants and its detention and interrogation program. That the U.S. intelligence community is prepared to kill U.S. citizens if they threaten other Americans or the United States. CIA involvement in narcotics trafficking across the globe, although the CIA officially denies such allegations. During the Cold War, when numerous soldiers participated in transport of Southeast Asian heroin to the United States by the airline Air America], the CIA's role in such traffic was reportedly rationalized as "recapture" of related profits to prevent possible enemy control of such assets.
During the Reagan administration, Michael Sekora, worked with agencies across the intelligence community, including the CIA, to develop and deploy a technology-based competitive strategy system called Project Socrates. As part of its mandate to gather intelligence, the CIA is looking increasingly online for information, and has become a major consumer of social media. "We're looking at YouTube, which carries some unique and honest-to-goodness intelligence," "We're looking at chat rooms and things that didn't exist five years ago, Reagan era, and trying to stay ahead."
Iraq & Bush
Whether or not the intelligence available, or presented by the Bush Administration justified the 2003 invasion of Iraq or allowed proper planning, especially for the occupation, is quite controversial. However, there was more than one CIA employee that asserted the sense that Bush administration officials placed undue pressure on CIA analysts to reach certain conclusions that would support their stated policy positions with regard to Iraq.
In December 1974, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh broke the news of the "Family Jewels" (after it was leaked to him by DCI William Colby) in a front-page article in The New York Times, claiming that the CIA had assassinated foreign leaders, and had illegally conducted surveillance on some 7,000 U.S. citizens involved in the antiwar movement (Operation CHAOS). The CIA had also experimented on people, who unknowingly took LSD (among other things).
Flight TWA 800 - just let me say that there was much more to the video, then just the explosion. A Long Island man took a video of it because of the low altitude it was flying at and must have looked nice for him to film it. Instead of being at an altitude of 5,000 feet, it was at 3,000, which almost make it look double the size and more in line with his vision. I really don't think he notice that something was coming from the ground up, which was clearly view-able when it was aired on the local stations that night. I only wished that I wasn't so damn lazy not to go into the other room and turn on the VCR and record it All the interviews of people saying what they saw. At 3:15 AM I laid down and got up at 4:20 and seen that video for the last time and they were show people out with their boats searching for survivors. Something had changed in the way it was being reported. The more live interviews just cameras on boats coming in with wreckage. 5AM started the morning news and the video of the explosion, what most people saw. Live shots filmed of the area you can see the MEN in BLACK! Half the video was gone and all the interviews were not aired, WTF is going on here? I find out later on that the Navy was in that area having their War Games. If they were there, why didn't they send a ship in to help with the rescue. I am not saying that the Navy shot it down on purpose, but, after seeing the area myself , working on a fishing boat that summer, from what looked like it could have been a hand held missile, at that distance it had to be much bigger than that. I think the Navy fire a cruise missile at a target and with the jet liner flying at a low altitude, it picked up a stronger signal and turned up and took out the passenger jet. Why else would the US refuse France to help out in the search for their own people.
Just one last thing! Does anyone ever recall Bush going out early in the morning, to read a story, to grade school children before, or, after 911?
 

Jude Hand (59)
Friday June 28, 2013, 6:07 pm
Noted. Thank you, Dandelion. Can't watch it this evening, but will very soon. The date is my last birthday. Very, very sad....
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Friday June 28, 2013, 6:17 pm
Noted & thanks so much for posting, Dandelion!
 

Nicole W. (640)
Friday June 28, 2013, 7:44 pm
wow, shaking my head here. thank you Dandelion for posting and AniMaeChi for forwarding
 

Twyla Sparks (208)
Friday June 28, 2013, 7:45 pm
This was horrid, I couldn't even watch it all. I'm ashamed of our Military, there always has to be a certain few that has to make it look bad on all of the others. I know we have some wonderful men and women in the Military but why does there have to the really SICKO's out there. God Be with them they know who they are. : (
 

David B. (26)
Friday June 28, 2013, 7:53 pm
Thanks Cheryl, and AniMaeChi for the forward, saw this years ago, it is sickening...

David B. (16)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:42 pm

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

"There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses." - Andrew Jackson

"The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
 

Paul Girardin (140)
Friday June 28, 2013, 8:05 pm
You condemn it when it is done in other countries but you would do it yourselves (for whatever purposes).

HYPOCRITES!

What is this world coming to?


And we cannot say it's going to the dogs because if it really was, it would be a better place!

Dogs are more loving than two-legged citizens will ever be!
 

Russell R. (87)
Friday June 28, 2013, 9:08 pm
The Taliban - Al-qaeda, do they take prisoners? our solders are killed on the battle ground and if they are beheaded - I am not for it, but, they consider us less than dogs. We are the evil ones - convert or die! I have not forgotten 9/11 - nor have you Dandelion forgotten what was done to your people, but, put the blame on the English when it was the Spanish that came first with Columbus. It was Spain that sponsored his trips. It was France that made claim to all the land west ofthe Mississippi
 

Natasha Salgado (563)
Friday June 28, 2013, 11:02 pm
Thanks Dandelion---will watch this later today.
 

Candy L. (479)
Friday June 28, 2013, 11:47 pm
Thanks, Signed already Tweeted again last count 225,657 supporters
 

AniMae Chi (428)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 1:25 am
Sorry my dear Dandelion, could only watch half of it, i entirely understand the gist, my life is dedicated to helping ALL who are suffering in any possible way i can.

i did forward to all on my list with the hope that awareness is raised.

PEACE & LIGHT to All
 

Aud nordby (716)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 2:02 am
signed
 

Ljiljana Milic (108)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 5:25 am
Thank you AniMaeChi for the forward.
I’ we watched the film this morning with great sorrow & signed all petitions for which AniMaeChi provided a link.
Thank you Dandelion & Thanks dear AniMaeChi.
 

Anna Undebeck (205)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 6:03 am
Thank you Dandelion, and ty AniMaeChi for forwarding!

Signed with hope (and shared too of course).... thanks again...
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 6:20 am
My whole point of placing this on here was educational. Our regular troops, the men and women on the very bottom of the line were working under unclear orders, that to me were specifically done that way. Unless one goes through their training, and the type of brainwashing that goes on with them, place them in some foreign land without their normal support systems and anything can and does happen.

That is why it is important to have a strong line of command that is sending the correct signals down, that we stay within a moral compass of actions, no matter what the other side is doing. Torture does not get the good results that was needed, many of these people, in fact according to the film, 80%, were not even captured by US forces. When money greases the hand of people, then the next door neighbor that you have disliked for years can become the enemy to get this reward money for. Just tell the US troops he is Taliban or whatever and off the man was taken.

I know the lower levels troops were left out to hang for what the upper Commanders wanted and that came from our civilian part of our Government, from the Administration that was in office at the time. Those men and women were used, believing this is what their Government asked of them. Should they have done what they did, the so called following orders? From the film you can see the pain in some of their lives, they won't be the same, they know they were used and abused. Most of the lower level troops tend to come from poor families in this society, another place the Elites use and abuse the poor.

That doesn't mean that everyone isn't accountable in this, Bradley Manning took a bold move, courage is not doing the act of torture, courage is NOT doing the act of torture and finding a way to report it. Either way our lower level troops were between a rock and a hard place, if they didn't do it, they believed somehow they are failing their Government and the people of the USA, if they do it, it rotten to the core, they have their hands in blood. But the ones I hold most accountable are the ones who pushed for this to be done from the TOP. I do know that the higher ups in the military also knew, and knew better.

Again, the ones at the bottom, the poorer of society, on both sides are and have suffered the most. Poor taxi drivers turned in for someone to make a few dollars to feed their family that is hungry. The military in lower ranks tends to come from the poorer families of our Country, having been raised to not think for themselves by this teach to the test, that our Country would never do any wrong, and placed in unknown territory with a lack of direction or an unspoken direction but is implied then we have a mixture for disaster. Those at the top need to be held accountable, but instead they will throw the Bradley Manning's under the bus.

Corruption is running thick and deep at the top and the only people being punished for this corruption is the poor and middle class that is becoming more poor as I write. If you haven't been caught into it's web you do need to consider yourself fortunate, many have had their lives destroyed via the war, the financial scams, if it isn't one thing it's another. But torture is torture, is unacceptable for anyone or any Country to do. It wasn't in the middle ages acceptable with the racks and dunking people into the water until they confessed to what it was in their day to say. We look at that time and shake our heads, we know in our heart of hearts it is wrong. It is no more right today no matter whose flag it is being done under or what group states it's ok to do so.

I thank AniMae for passing this along and for anyone who has watched. Actually the hardest viewing was in the first half, the second half though is very important to learn who truly is behind all of it.
 

Barry T. (894)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 9:05 am
Thanks so much. Great information. Sad, not unepxpected ... what a freaking mess things are, top to bottom. :(
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 1:41 pm
I can't watch it today, but it's certainly something my husband and I will view very soon. Sometimes you have to leave your comfort zone to realize that you've been looking at the world through rose-colored glasses. As comforting as those reality-blocking glasses might be, they stand in the way of change. When we get upset enough, when our disgust can no longer be contained, we start making noise. And the squeaky wheel usually gets the oil. There's strength in large numbers of loud and angry people who've been pushed to the limit and start making noise. But before that can happen, we have to remove those "safety goggles" and allow ourselves to see things as they really are.

Thanks for posting this, Dandelion. You are truly a defender of the unjustly oppressed.
 

Phil P. (93)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 3:42 pm
Thanks for the article. Too many super patriots looking for the concealed H-Bomb in every situation.
 

Shera A. (2)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 7:43 pm
:)
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 9:21 am
Shera ?? A 20 point butterfly comment perhaps? Not sure what is so happy about this. That I placed it on?
 

Mark Botermuc (32)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 9:26 am
Thank you sharing this article with us ...
 

l L. (1)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 7:26 pm
Thank you D,, sorry I am so late looking at this.. a need to know.. More of the same. I am not in shock any more.. This planet sucks.. Working on things.. I watched an hour and 3 minutes of this and there just are not enough hours in a day. Keep up the good work.. all of you.. Together we can make the world a better place for some body.. one day.. I feel so bad about a lot of things. lyn
 

David B. (26)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 7:31 pm
Why has no one in the U.S.A. been prosecuted for this hideous crime?
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Wednesday July 10, 2013, 3:36 pm
Haven't you noticed David, we do very well going after the Whistle Blowers and I think a few of the lowest level soldiers got thrown under the bus. Criminals with Big Money protect their own, I just hope they slip up and one of the other Countries grab them to prosecute. Seems like a slow day in hell before our Country will get around to it.
 

David B. (26)
Wednesday July 10, 2013, 4:52 pm
Did you watch the 'co-lateral murder' video? American helicopter gunners killed innocent Reuters journalists and children, and laughed while doing so. No one has been charged with murder. Is American justice non existent?
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Thursday July 11, 2013, 7:11 am
Oh there is a system in place, not sure how "just" it is. The ones that exposed this tragic event you speak of is holed up in an Embassy and another has been tortured and is now, after 3 years, (? speedy trial? as per our rights) is in court, innocent until proven guilty.....gee wonder why the torture beforehand if innocent.

Oh yes, if I recall back in the days of burning witches and the likes, one was dunked in the water, if they lived, they were a witch, obviously for they saved themselves, if they died, then the people were innocent and God would have mercy upon their souls.

What a convenient concept, the blood is washed off the hands of the people doing the torturing and murder. Is sort of the same idea today. Torture first, if possible. Then kill or place in prison the one's that point out the wrongdoing of others. If the innocent get in the way, well, don't worry, it all works out in the end the criminals tell us.

The video you mention David is below for anyone not yet having viewed it.
Video That Exposes The Murder
 

David B. (26)
Thursday July 11, 2013, 7:37 am
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Nancy C. (806)
Saturday July 20, 2013, 11:28 pm
Referring back to Russell's comment about Bush reading to the schoolchildren. How can I forget that an aid? whispered in his ear while he was reading. He didn't blink. Just kept on reading...I've done alot of research on 911. Some folks who knew the truth are gone. I've bookmarked the documentary and will watch soon Sheryl. Made all my comment points many hrs ago!!!
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Tuesday July 23, 2013, 1:39 pm
So much has been said that I cant say much more.... It's too horrifying to....... But one positive glimmer was that I recently saw that ex-Pres Jimmy Carter was standing up for Bradley Manning...... I saw that as really positive. A ray of sanity.
Torture isnt new. History teaches us this. We, collectively speaking, like to think of ourselves as civilized etc.... and yet torture remains a way of life all over the world. Dualism is always a part of the picture .... All the reasons and excuses will never justify the shameful things that are done.
Only if enough of us demand "No more torture" will this hellish element of human nature even begin to back off from this assault on human dignity and decency.......
Torture needs to be UNACCEPTABLE. period.
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Saturday August 17, 2013, 8:09 pm
I told you Id be back Dandelion. I had this bookmarked and wanted to be able to watch it in one sitting..I am so disgusted yet not surprised..
This was a legal free for all with the underlings thrown under the bus. Thats not surprising either, as most vets are treated like garbage when they get home anyhow, while those in charge want for nothing except more power
they made KIDS try and figure out who the enemy was with no rules..didnt they THINK when offering a bounty that people would turn in anyone they could? I have so much to say but am too drained.
This world really sucks and I wish it would throw us all off of it, except the good and decent

When I was younger, I was asked why didnt i join the service..Of course I would laugh because those asking obviously didnt know me very well. I do NOT take orders and if I saw someone do anything like that I would have snapped. Thats why I applaud Manning...you may be in war with new rules, but common sense, common decency & your moral standard must still remain or your no longer human..just a biological robot.. I also know you cant judge without being in that situation..its just a shame no one in charge has paid for their WAR CRIMES and that people are still sitting in GITMO with out even being charged. disgusting and a perfect example of how sick this world is...just my opinion
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Sunday August 18, 2013, 4:28 pm
Thank you Gina for having watched the film and for your comment. Sometimes even when we can't change the situation right now or today, to be a witness is most important thing that we can do. We must know of it first, we must state we do not agree with this or accept this, then we must let others know of it. We must bear witness if we can do nothing more.
 

Michael M. (59)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:06 pm
Stress positions, and sleep deprivation are old techniques for US military. You have not seen photos of Viet Nam or of previous wars, partly because then camera recording technology was less user-friendly.

We hear the same excuses that we have heard since the generation above us fought in WW II, and we do have documentation of its occurrence (starvation and direct violence included) of torture and murder in the US Civil War. The Filipinos claimed such in the early 20th century US occupation.

We constantly hear the US military say "a few bad apples", and the excuse that your friends get killed was a common song by those who murdered Vietnamese civilians.

Understand that some are sick of the lies, the moment they come out your military mouths.
I had Latin gang kids severely wounding my friends, but never lost my liking for them, as I had known some when younger, even though I felt forced to participate in personal violence. We got close enough to hear one another's anger when we largely had only knives, instead of anonymous distance-killing weapons.

In NO way is killing maiming, hurting strangers because you are told to, acceptable human conduct.

NO member of a military is exempt from culpability.

Did none of you notice that explosive projectile weapons deny living beings the capacity to run away?
Can people in Afghanistan run away from invading motorised, aerial forces?

Merely because a person believes that others than yourself has the right, rather than you, is insufficient reason to do the things that the US military does.

Few of you will agree with me in this continent where invasion, rapine, greed, self-aggrandizement, have been the norm for hundreds of years.

I am curious as to where these interviewed persons are now, and what they are doing and promoting. As I said, loyalty to your fellow invaders is insufficient reason.

We hear the excuse that we should be there as soldiers, and we will likely do the same - but I have seen much blood at a younger age than almost ANY soldier, and I disagree with their cushy upbringing and their lust to be soldiers, to learn to kill in overwhelming anonymous numbers and ways.
Answer? I would not now or then be a soldier. All your world is personal. If you choose life instead of fictional narrative imagination, you might actually live at all, for in no other way will this US torture and terror end.

SO many of you have called Manning or others "traitors" as if they were supposed to sustain loyalty to this that you do.

Unless you abdicate loyalty to this violence, YOU are a traitor to yourself, the only final wrong.
 

Michael M. (59)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:31 pm
By late in this movie, I have come to hope that every one of these military mentioned or interviewed here remains in Afghanistan, and NEVER returns to this continent.

I keep hearing that mere silence is collusion with evil.
What, then is participation, because you wanted to, or because someone you had never known told you to?

The best trained vicious killers on earth is absolutely every member of the US military and EVERY person in a position of power and knowledge.

Some benighted suicide people kill some innocents in Manhattan, so more benighted persons go kill innocents elsewhere.

None of these people have protected ANYONE, except themselves and their friends with guns, or with power. Get this straight, military people.

You are creating evil with your participation.

Remain in afghanistan - you are not "our" troops, but evil sheep.
Your music, your lies, your killing every being for pleasure, for money, for revenge - what are you?

Your kind destroyed this world, this beautiful land in which I was born. You are not different than those who entered those planes, took them over and killed other innocents. You are the same.

 

Dandelion G. (387)
Monday August 26, 2013, 12:44 pm
Unfortunately, all too many fail to see these things Michael. As with the thread that you had touched in upon and I stayed a little longer with. Too many avoided the fact that innocent people were murdered just glossed over that or not even touched it in order to deflect the subject or hold firm to he had orders or a position and he shouldn't of done what the did. I guess the heck with the people who were taken from their families too soon.

I guess as long as it isn't their family member it's ok, and some of them would be the first to stand up for an animal., I do commend them for that, where they most likely would say, rules should be broken to save the animals. Yet on the flip side do not think the same way when it comes to humans, even if they are children. It was a sad thread.
Bradley Manning
 
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