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Hamas Isn't ISIS, ISIS Isn't Hamas

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If anybody accuses me of defending Hamas in what I'm about to write, I accuse them in turn of supporting the war in Gaza because they enjoy seeing Palestinian children killed. One claim is as fair as the other. Good article to think upon after it's read.

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Justin Vale (13)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:06 pm
of course hamas isn't isis. if it was isis it wouldn't be getting it's behind kicked. hamas are weaklings that hide behind children. isis is clockwork orange at a massive scale.

Teresa W (782)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:53 pm
Both are evil.

Teresa W (782)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:55 pm
Hamas deliberately fires missiles from residential districts to use civilians as living shields, as Justin has also remarked, and ISIS is a state run by fanatics.

Sue Matheson (79)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 1:27 pm

Anteater Ants (122)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 1:36 pm
thank you

Carrie B (306)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 3:58 pm
Thank you Sheryl ~ and Amen!

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 4:12 pm
Good one Dandelion

Margaret Goodman (243)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 6:45 pm
Another distinction between ISIS and Hamas is that ISIS is Sunni Moslem; Hamas, probably Shiite Moslem.

SusanAWAY Allen (219)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 7:08 pm
Noted and shared

Bryan S (105)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 8:23 pm
Thanks for the article Sheryl. The attempt to conflate ISIS and Hamas as way to justify the Israeli invasion of Gaza is just as idiotic as conflating Iraq with the 9/11 hijackers to justify invading Iraq (and along with the ridiculous calim that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program going). But i guess we've learned not to underestimate large numbers of idiots.

Peter Blattner, that's a point that Hamas is a fanatical organization. And that's what happens when a group of people are oppressed and subjected to violence for decades with no real way to fight back -- fanatics rise to power. This will happen anywhere.

Justin, so you're saying that if the ISIS fighters were in the same situation as Hamas is -- locked in a small area with very little supplies and facing one of the most powerful armies on Earth, then they would kick Israeli but?

Hamas doesn't have missiles. There is no evidence they use civilians as shields.

Athena F (131)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 9:09 pm
thank you

Judy C (97)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 9:47 pm
This simplistic slogan is just the sort of thing lazy, ignorant people will lap up. Anything to avoid any serious thinking. The most glaring distinction between ISIS and Hamas is that the former is on the offensive, while the latter is on the defensive, as the article points out. Thanks Dandelion.

P A (117)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:42 pm
Ros G has said it so much better than i could!

I did notice this in the article that I didn't know before about Israel's past -

"About Hamas’ executions in recent days of some 25 suspected collaborators, it’s a sickening reminder of this organization’s ruthlessness – but the fact is that the prestate Zionist underground organizations Irgun and Lehi executed many suspected Jewish collaborators. They also deliberately bombed crowds of civilians, hid behind their own civilian population, and had maximalist territorial goals. The Irgun and Lehi, the progenitors of Likud, practiced what could be called “Judeofascism,” and, minus the religious fundamentalism, could be compared to Hamas. But like Hamas, they could not be compared to ISIS."

and then there's this summation of the article -

"For Netanyahu, ISIS is a red herring, and so is Hamas – Netanyahu is fighting in Gaza to defend the occupation, and he would fight to defend it against any Palestinian challenger. Yes, Hamas is an organization of brutal, ruthless fascists, but so were any number of national liberation movements – that didn’t make the foreign occupation of their countries and the wars fought to maintain those occupations any more just. The slogan “Hamas is ISIS, ISIS is Hamas” is just another cynical ploy by Netanyahu to blind some people to what Israel is doing in Gaza, and to intimidate the others who see into keeping quiet about it."

fly bird (26)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:30 pm
Thanks Dandelion. Good post.

LaurenBackSoon Kozen (173)
Monday August 25, 2014, 12:16 am
Noted & Shared. Thanks Sheryl.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Monday August 25, 2014, 4:19 am
Love the picture you used on this post,is Hugh Grant holding Netanyahu's brain between his hands???
Good article,thanks Sheryl.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 25, 2014, 4:28 am
*Hamas is not slaughtering and beheading and crucifying people by the thousands, it’s not committing gang rape, it’s not massacring people because they practice a different religion, or a different variant of their own religion, or because they belong to a different ethnic group.*

NO, they're not! They're just killing civilians they have no concern for by deliberately using them as propaganda. Anyone who is still incapable of comprehending that Hamas is using Gaza as a military base to attempt to *ANNIHILATE* Israel and *DESTROY* the JEW infidels on the path to world domination by the Islamic Jihad ~ seriously needs to take Dr. House's advice to heart!

Speaking of Dr. House, he would not be pleased. This is better:

Past Member (0)
Monday August 25, 2014, 5:15 am
Margaret, Hamas is a Sunni offshoot of the former Muslim Brotherhood, funded primarily by the terrorist state of Qatar and Turkey.
ISIL/ISIS, al-Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Muslim Jihadi Movement, etc., are all Sunni terrorist organizations with such illustrious members as Osama bin Laden, Muammar Qaddafi, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
Qatar has been instrumemntal in blocking Cairo's peace negotiations.
Besides Hamas, there are at least 5-6 other terrorist organizations operating in Gaza and/or Jesusalem.

Caitlin M (104)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:44 am
I can't tell for sure who is what in the various warring groups across the Middle East, including Israel. I would like to see all of the warring factions finding a way of negotiating and not killing. In the case of Israel and Gaza, I think Israel should stop their attacks and allow the people to survive in peace there. That's my wish. I am for Israel having its homeland, but not at the cost of the lives of the people of Gaza.

Winn A (179)
Monday August 25, 2014, 6:46 am

Don H (45)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:02 am
Noted. Thank you, Dandelion.

Kathleen M (230)
Monday August 25, 2014, 7:13 am
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion. Good post!

Ismail Al ahmad (171)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:02 am
Noted, Thank you Dandelion , am not with the writer , if Hamas is not ISIS why both of them in addition too Al Nusra front was fighting against syrian regime, why Hamas killed more than 20 scientist in Damsacus by assassinate them with their families with cold blood , why they trained ISIS and Nusra Front in Ghouta in Damascus , what is worst both of them both of Wahabism the religion of ISIS and Qaeda and Nusra Front ( made by Al Saud US big Allies ) while Hamas is belong to Muslim's brotherhood which made by UK , as you see both are bad but i think its time to ask who made them to pay the price and not who suffer, it was never Muslims but US and UK use Islam they made in their intelligence offices to fight the real peaceful Islam , am Arabic and Syrian and sure i hate ISIS and HAMAS and Nusra Front

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:18 am
Thx Sheryl, yes, good article making reasonable points. Of course ISIS being in the world's headlines now, shifting the focus away from the crimes in Gaza, was the best and urgently needed thing happening to Netanyahu and he coined this, correctly labeled "idiotic" slogan quickly for his purposes. The one thing he is a master in.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 25, 2014, 8:54 am
Ros, it may not be your opinion, but it's an educated opinion ~ bookwise and experience wise. In the United States and purportedly on Care 2, everyone has the right to express their opinion.

Gillian M (218)
Monday August 25, 2014, 10:37 am
ISIS and Hamas are the same, they do the same things for the same reasons, it is in the koran and as practised by Mohammed. .

Barbara, the people here can't accept the truth, Hamas attacks Israel and that is OK, the people that die are predominantly Jewish so why should they care? ISIS kills other Muslims, not so OK, Kurds, who cares? and now the Yadizis, not so OK. Finally, they beheaded Foley and this is what Islam is genuinely about.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 25, 2014, 11:44 am

Mandi T (392)
Monday August 25, 2014, 9:42 pm
Noted, thanks Sheryl

Diane K (134)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 5:08 am
Noted thanks Dandelion

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 5:42 am
Hamas is an occupation resistance movement . Anything else is BullShit. Period.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 5:47 am
In last interview, Auschwitz survivor urged Palestinians "not to give up their fight"

I mourn the loss of Hajo Meyer, a friend who fearlessly raised his voice to combat Zionism and to express his support for the struggle of the Palestinian people for freedom and equality. Hajo passed away in his sleep on 23 August just days after his ninetieth birthday.

Read ALL here

Robert B (60)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 8:28 am
Ge. M Says "ISIS and Hamas are the same, they do the same things for the same reasons, it is in the koran and as practised by Mohammed. .

Barbara, the people here can't accept the truth, Hamas attacks Israel and that is OK, the people that die are predominantly Jewish so why should they care? ISIS kills other Muslims, not so OK, Kurds, who cares? and now the Yadizis, not so OK. Finally, they beheaded Foley and this is what Islam is genuinely about. "

Dear Ge M. , I understand your sentiment. But it is clouded by your own religion and your own filters. You say people here can't accept the truth. Not so. Both ISIS and Hamas are brutal but they are NOT the same. Nor are they good Muslims. They are people who hide behind a religion to justify violence. Don't blame the Koran. People of all religions like to interpret their "holy books" to fit their own personal agendas. The danger here is to make a blanket generalization about a group of people. It is unfair to do that. It's not as simple as "Us and Them", "Good or Bad". That kind of black and white, either or thinking NEVER solves anything. I feel so sorry for the innocent children who are the victims of this kind of thinking. If there is a god, he she or it gave us brains to think and not to hate and if there is no god, we still have the brains and responsibility to raise ourselves to a higher standard of love and compassion.

Sheryl G (363)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 10:19 am
Bravo Robert B for your excellent comment.

I thank you also Abdessalam for the link to the article, you can not oppress one people just because you or your ancestors were also oppressed.

This quote stood out in particular for me, and when genocide or attempted genocide does occur it is always cloaked in the same way, to dehumanize "the other".

“If we want to stay really human beings, we must get up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals,” Meyer said. The hate of the Jews by the Germans “was less deeply rooted than the hate of the Palestinians by the Israeli Jews,” he observed. “The brainwashing of the Jewish Israeli populations is going on for over sixty years. They cannot see a Palestinian as a human being.” Hajo Meyer


Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 11:13 am
Robert, it isn't just about Israel ~ look at any controversial threads on Care 2.

Ros, after all these years you imply that Israel doesn't know the void will be filled?? Because it has nothing to do with *occupation*, but *annihilation*.
The Arabs rejected the Palestine Royal Commssion, the Woodhead Commission, the Peel Plan, the British Mandate's decisions, the League of Nations, the United Nations Partition Plan, the Oslo process, 2000, 2008....

In addition, from 1948 to 1967, Israel did not control the West Bank. The Palestinians could have demanded an independent state from the Jordanians.

*In one song, young children were shown singing about their desire to become “suicide warriors” and taking up machine guns against Israelis. Another song features young children singing a refrain, “When I wander into Jerusalem, I will become a suicide bomber.” 14*
*The 5th grade textbook Muqarar al-Tilawa Wa’ahkam Al-Tajwid describes Jews as cowards for whom Allah has prepared fires of hell. In a text for 8th graders, Al-Mutala’ah Wa’alnussus al-Adabia, Israelis are referred to as the butchers in Jerusalem. Stories glorifying those who throw stones at soldiers are also found in various texts. A 9th grade text, Al-Mutala’ah Wa’alnussus al-Adabia, refers to the bacteria of Zionism that has to be uprooted out of the Arab nation. 19*
* Summer camp teaches Palestinian children how to resist the Israelis and that the greatest glory is to be a martyr. Campers stage mock kidnappings and learn how to slit the throats of Israelis. Four “Paradise Camps” run by Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip offered 8–12 year-olds military training and encourage them to become suicide bombers. 22*

*“The problem is the same problem that has been there for the three years that I have been working in this account. And that is terrorism, terrorism that still emanates from Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other organizations that are not interested in peace, not interested in a state for the Palestinian people. They’re interested in the destruction of Israel.” — Secretary of State Colin Powell 37*

Occupation: ALL GAZA Annihilation: NO ISRAEL

John B (185)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 12:54 pm
Thanks Sheryl for providing the link to the excellent and insightful article by Mr. Derfner.
Read and noted.

S J (130)
Tuesday August 26, 2014, 5:14 pm
thank you Dandelion

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 7:09 am
Noted, thanks for sharing

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 9:51 am
HaHaHaHa!!! Do you know the popoulation of Israel (non-Arab)?? The size of the IDF?? And when we send the boys and girls away, what? We have old men and children fight the terrorists at home??

Actually, they could (and have ~ and won!) Ros, you are such a hoot, sometimes!!

Sheryl G (363)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 10:03 am
'Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?' Abraham Lincoln

ISIS is one thing, Hamas is another. Hamas rose up because Israel could not seem to get that concept that was quoted above.

When one oppressed people are suddenly dropped down onto land that was inhabited by other people, and those people are told they must leave, without any say in the matter, without being properly paid for homes, orchards, lands that they owned and generations before them. How do you think they feel? I suspect the same way that the American Indians felt when the Europeans came over and started to force all of them out of their villages and started to kill them if they didn't do so fast enough.

Add in years of indoctrination about how awful one group of people is and how great thou art and the tension mounts and continues year after year, generation after generation. I don't condone propaganda of children to kill on either side, or indoctrination to hate on either side, but that is what is going on over there. It will take a lot of strong leadership on both sides to mend relationships and to build bridges, but bombing is not going to do it.

The blockade must come down, people must be allowed to have their basic human rights protected and to be observed. Yes, it's a chance that some angry people on both sides of this fence will take a pop shot at each other, there has been years of resentment built up and anger. But to continue this way is no way to go either. You can't take the land of one and give it to another, and then year after year try to take more land and think at the same time you are so much better than the other. It doesn't work that way. Everyone is human being and a basic right to life, freedom of movement, freedom to exchange ideas and goods, freedom to obtain medical as needed, freedom to raise children and for all the children to have the same opportunities.

When you have scholars and religious leaders from the Jewish State itself claiming that the way things are in fact being done is wrong, their voices ignored, quieted, then one must look at why the Government is so set on violence, land grabbing, and skewing the narrative so that the people back a violent Government rather in fact a Government that could be good neighbors with each other. They could become as Lincoln said friends to stand strong against ISIS that doesn't sit down with anyone to negotiate. Hamas did, sat down to negotiate.

In wars there are misdeeds on all sides. Ever read what happened in Mi Lai and what the Americans did? Or how about the fact that the USA had approved torture, something we use to be steadfastly against. It may of happened, but it wasn't officially sanctioned, but then it became so. No one Country is so perfect so high on it's moral high horse all the time; that you can only point all the time to look at them.......only "they" do bad things.

There is a lot to go around, on both sides. But the bottom line is, only one of the sides is oppressed.......and in that place of being oppressed, those who oppressed are bounded by the fact that they are human and in that must resist, for if they do not, the oppression never ends until it become genocide. If people can't understand that much then I guess you have been so protected in your life's Walk as to fall to gather that understanding. Walk a mile in a few stories of people who have been oppressed, try to gain some insight.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 7:54 pm
*So, Hamas is just a little brutal and ISIS is really brutal?
And a woman can be a little pregnant and another woman really pregnant?
In the end the results are exactly the same.*

*Hamas v Isis

1. Sunni Moslem Fundamental Loons CHECK
2. Hang Gays CHECK
3. Oppress Women CHECK
4. Hate Jews CHECK
5. Hang Muslims who disagree w them, CHECK
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck… it probably is one!!*

*Only one flaw to your argument. Hamas does perscute jews and would kill as much of them as they could put their hands on. Their everyday bombings to Southern Israel cities are a crude reminder of that. They are toletaring Christians (for now) because they are a very small minority that doesn't pose a threat to their hegemony; They are for the Islamic State in this Region as ISIS is for Islamic State North of here, and you Sir are not defending Hamas, you're just blind.*

*“Well, if anybody accuses me of defending Hamas in what I’m about to write, I accuse them in turn of supporting the war in Gaza because they enjoy seeing Palestinian children killed. One claim is as fair as the other.”

*This is a pretty stupid thing to write. More or less the equivalent of “Well, if you call me a poopyface, I’ll say that you throw like a girl!” Maybe its time for this author to retire.*

*That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. How is Israel persecuting all minorities? Last I checked Israeli Arabs (living in Israel proper) have more rights than Arabs in the countries surrounding it. There are Arab Israeli parlimentarians, an Arab won Miss Israel and an Arab represented Israel in Eurovision. That doesn’t look like apatheid or persecution to me..
The only country in the Middle East where gays can live safely and thrive is Israel.*

*And the author’s chutzpah listing the positive experience of Christians in Gaza is laughable. There are 1500-3000 Christians in a population of 1.8 million Muslims (no Jews, of course). And life is not simple for these people:*

* “Hamas won fair and square.”

Um, you do realize they didn’t win more than 50% of the vote, right? And you do realize that they took power by using violent means including throwing Fatah men off rooftops, right? And you are aware they haven’t held an election since, yes?

Just the other day, they summarily executed 26 men, in the open, in front of children. They then refused to provide the names of the murdered. This is the same organization that has now acknowledged (after denials which you probably used in your defense of this group) kidnapping and murdering the three Israeli teenagers and the same organization which has now acknowledged manipulating and using violent tactics with the international media during this war.
These are the people you’re defending.*

*Hamas won the legislative, not the presidential, elections. You may have heard about the division of powers in a presidential system. Hamas had no power to usurp the prerogative powers of the president who is commander in chief of the Palestinian security forces. Hamas had no right under Palestinian law to wield arms or replace the Palestinian security services with its own army and security police.
Hamas ignored Palestinian law, set up their own state with their own army and security apparatus, foreign diplomats, civil service, and collection of revenues all in contradiction of Palestinian law.
Hamas operated like Morsi. However the PA did not have the power which Sisi had to remove the corrupt regime in Gaza.*

These are comments on the article from people who know what they're talking about.


Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 10:57 pm

Dandelion - thanks for this posting and I've got to compliment you on the choice of your picture - LOL - perfect and befitting!!

I put in a different one under the title "Hamas is not ISIS" ( which deals with Bibi Netanyahu's tweet and his well ment intentions ...

I'll be back tonight to read your article - stay safe!

Sandra Penna (135)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 5:34 am
thanks for posting, Dandelion. great picture, indeed. I agree with Arild and Eleonora.

Lynn Squance (235)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 11:59 pm
"We must learn to live together as brothers or we are going to perish together as fools." Martin Luther King, Jr

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi

"My Jihad is: Don't hate . . . educate." --- Abdessalam Diab

'No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.' --- Nelson Mandela

Sheryl G (363)
Friday August 29, 2014, 10:53 am
Barbara: Last I checked Israeli Arabs (living in Israel proper) have more rights than Arabs in the countries surrounding it. There are Arab Israeli parlimentarians, an Arab won Miss Israel and an Arab represented Israel in Eurovision.

Oh, an Arab won Miss Israel.....okay, all over folks. Go home, roll up the sidewalks. Everything is fine. Don't look any further.

Palestinians in Israel are descendants of the people that did not leave during the years of the establishment of the state of Israel and during the 1948 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors. Inequality under the law is felt in almost all aspects of social, political and economic life, including a discriminatory educational system where curriculum is routinely biased in favor of Jewish customs and norms at the expense of Arab culture.

This is also done here in the USA, first with the American Indians and now the continued removal of books that had finally been allowed giving historical and cultural information of not only the American Indians but those of Hispanic backgrounds from schools. Got to keep it all European and Anglo.

An example of an explicit discriminatory law is the “Law of Return” which grants every Jew, wherever he or she resides, automatic Israeli citizenship if desired, at the expense of refugees and stateless persons who have lived on the land for generations.

Inequality is also evident in the fact that only a fraction of government budgets allocated funds for the maintenance and building of infrastructure in Palestinian towns in Israel. Palestinian citizens face similar building restrictions that are known in the Occupied Territories.

Non-Jews, with the exception of the Druze, cannot perform military service bars them from a broad spectrum of services and benefits and effectively diminishes the opportunity for social mobility that any Jewish Israeli would have.

Dream on Barbara of these so called equitable rights and all.

Again, the article did not say Hamas was wonderful, great, or anything like that, I suggest you read the article. It's obvious you haven't done so. What it is stating is Hamas isn't ISIS which the latter has been condemned by Muslims worldwide. Hamas can be worked with, and Israel has done so, ISIS listens to no one and will not at all bend, Hamas wouldn't need to exist if there was fairness in the area.

“There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.” ― Howard Zinn

“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.” ― Voltaire

For a people who wave a flag of a particular faith they do enough killing of the innocent. A Jewish State with a flag. Where are the Catholic States? The Baptist States? The Islamic State referred to as ISIS is being fully condemned by the Muslims. But the Jewish State kills and all should be okay with that. No criticism at all. Really?

Sheryl G (363)
Friday August 29, 2014, 10:56 am
Sorry only the story of Islamic authority: Extremists no 'Islamic State' should of been in blue.....

Beginning with the quote of Howard Zinn, that should of not been live linked.

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 29, 2014, 2:25 pm

IS: Significant Number of Europeans
ISrael: Significant Number of Europeans
IS: Illegally Created “State”
ISrael: Illegally Created “State”
IS: Using Religion as Excuse
ISrael: Using Religion as Excuse
IS: Terrorising Indigenous Inhabitants
ISrael: Terrorising Indigenous Inhabitants
IS: Founded by the West
ISrael: Founded by the West
IS: International Community Ignores Crimes
ISrael: International Community Ignores Crimes

Angelika R (143)
Friday August 29, 2014, 2:27 pm
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson

Past Member (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:21 am
Maybe they are different...
Secret services of the US and Israel know better.

Abo r (107)
Sunday September 7, 2014, 6:57 pm
Thanks for the article Dandelion......HAMAS is not ISIS... ... Hamas is an occupation resistent loo-k-i--ng- and aiming for freedom and ending occupation.

Gina Caracci (219)
Tuesday October 21, 2014, 7:29 pm
the whole thing is confusing....
What Caitlan said sums it up for me
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