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It is time to show the Cardinals and Bishops they are not above the laws of the United States and they should never escape prosecution for their crimes simply because they are from a religious organization.

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Beverly Fjobhunting (86)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:34 am
There is absolute, irrefutable proof, that Cardinals like Timothy Dolan, Roger Mahony, Justin Rigali, Bernard Law, and many, many other Cardinals and Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church knew about the children being raped in their parishes by priests and did nothing but moved these priests around, without warning the communities they moved them into, and then they raped even more children. They feel they are above the law. This is a crime punishable by Federal Laws.

18 U.S.C. § 2241– Aggravated sexual abuse
18 U.S.C. § 2242– Sexual abuse
18 U.S.C. § 2243– Sexual abuse of a minor or ward
18 U.S.C. § 2244– Abusive sexual contact


Giana Peranio-Paz (407)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:46 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Beverly.

Rose Becke (142)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:52 am
SO signed Bev, Thank you

Teresa García (40)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:59 am
Done!. S & N :)

Michela M. (4008)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:21 am

Stephanie Reap (192)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 7:22 am
damn right I signed!!! TY

Yvonne F. (180)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 7:23 am
So signed!!! Thanks Beverly

Yvonne F. (180)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 7:29 am
Noted too?

Ben Oscarsito (259)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:08 am
Signed indeed!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:52 am

Darn tootin' I'm signing. Why has this not been done before???

Thanks, Beverly!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:08 am

Have posted in groups and will share.


Alice C. (1797)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:29 am

Pat B. (357)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:50 am
Thank you, Beverly (and Carole for FW), I definitely signed. The Catholic Church should, and must, stop protecting these individuals, and let the states prosecute these elected hierarchy, and priests, to the fullest extent of the law.

JL A. (281)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:51 am

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:12 am
Noted, signed and tweeted, thanks Beverly for the post and Carole for the forward, i hope all of these scumbags rot in the hell they so actively preach about! Hypocrites!

Susan L. (150)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:13 am
Of course I signed and noted. It is about time that we insist those who commit crimes are held accountable, regardless of their religious connections, political status or wealth! To be honest, the prosecution of those criminal types alone, would make this entire world a MUCH better place for All living beings!

divergent revolution (315)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:24 am
totally agree,this is going to be a very tough uphill battle
wish to hold their feet to the fire...

Gene Jacobson (286)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:37 am
Signed, noted and I really hope it helps. There should be nothing more pressing on the new Pope's plate than this.

Richard Zane Smith (81)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:38 am
Seems those who believe in ORIGINAL SIN and "the utter depravity of man" are the ones who seem the most proficient at PROVING it.
Mold thrives in sunless shadow. Expose it to the sunlight where it'll shrivel up and blow away

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:38 am
ABSOLUTELY signed, shared! Yes, why has this NOT been done before???!!! Thx very much Beverly! and *C for heads up!! wonder why I did not get it from Avaaz, hm..

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:40 am
Pope Francesco will probably much rather go against this before any AG would.. and how RIDICULOUS is "let's reach 1000"- make that 10000, -at least!! SHARE SHARE SHARE !

mac riv (16)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:41 am
done,thank you!

Kit B. (276)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:20 pm

Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition! You bet I signed.

I think most people are fed up with this continued cover up.

If this were anyone not affiliated with a church, particularly the Roman Catholic Church, would this prosecution require a petition, or just a jury?

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:23 pm
Thank you for this important petition. (S, N, P, T)

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:26 pm
Signed and shared, thanks Beverly and Carol for the forward. I read that the main party responsible for the cover up was the previous pope...who got out while the gettin' was good.

. (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:27 pm
Signed and Noted.

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 1:19 pm
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition! No one should be above the law. It seems obvious they don't believe in their own talk for many are failing to walk their talk. What destructive behaviour they have done on so many children and others.

Tammy B. (9)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 1:25 pm

Caitlin M. (104)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 1:36 pm
I just signed this and the name preceding mine was Dandelion's. Haven't had that happen before. It is a travesty that any organization should harbor pedophiles with impunity. It is additionally offensive that a body that holds itself as "holy" should be let off the hook of legal action. Wouldn't you think that an honest house of religious conviction would want to clean its own closets first?? Guess not, in this case. I try not to judge those who are "in the fold" of any religion, but I find it very difficult not to hold the clergy responsible for such disgusting behavior. It's a mockery of the religion they are supposed to be representing. It's a little like the haves and have-nots in society in general. Those at the top hold themselves to different standards than they do the "lowly" folk. In my opinion, the "lowly" folk are the heros in both cases. Thanks Beverly and Carole for forwarding.

. (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:25 pm
This has been a fight for years. Why haven't priests been arrested for statuary rape? Months ago, a Hassidic rabbi was arrested for child molestation. Is the Church really above the law?

Phil Wood (210)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:25 pm
Perhaps someone should start a White House petition on this. Does anyone know how to do that? (noted & signed, BTW)

Petra M. (260)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:46 pm
Signed & noted; thanks, Beverly!

Mary L. (132)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:52 pm
noted signed and read.

Eternal Gardener (746)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:52 pm
Signed with gusto! Many thanks for posting Beverly.

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:16 pm
Already signed and widely shared, thanks Beverly and Carol for the forward.

Naoko I. (264)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:18 pm
Noted, signed and shared on FB. Thanks for the post, Beverly.

Lyn Z. (300)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:05 pm
Noted & Signed.
Thanks Beverly, & Carole for fwd.

Edwin M. (349)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:03 pm
Signed thank youi Beverly and thank you Carole for the forward

Michael Carney (217)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:44 pm
Noted and signed...I guess I should feel lucky, I was an Alter Boy for two years, and no one laid a finger on me...

Ros G. (74)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:29 pm
Thanks for the forward Carole, signed with pleasure. Currently Australia is having a Royal Commission into child sex abuse across all Institutions not just the Catholic Church but all State and Religious run organisations. This type of abuse is widespread in our Society and has been allowed to happen not just in America but worldwide. Hopefully our outcome will be a successful one and it's impact resonates around the Globe..these poor innocents must be heard..must be believed and must be supported.

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:32 pm
Signed Bev, Cheers

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:36 pm

So well said, Ros!

(Proud to call you friend.)


Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:55 pm
Signed and posted in groups.

Julia R. (295)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:57 pm
It is right and just that all individuals be held accountable for their crimes whether they're part of a religious organization or not! No one should ever get away with raping young children. The damage that does to that child emotionally and psychologically lasts a lifetime! Shame on these cardinals and bishops for covering this up. How can you call yourself religious or be part of any group that claims salvation for the masses, if you have engaged in acts that would so devastate a human life and are morally corrupt! Signed & Shared! Thank you.

Darren Woolsey (217)
Friday April 19, 2013, 12:24 am
A church is supposed to be a connection and even a gateway to another world, and not simply an excuse for people to hide behind and commit atrocious acts on those who place/d faith in them.

Ben Oscarsito (259)
Friday April 19, 2013, 12:50 am
I just found an article from 2010, by Ruby Hawk:
"Pedophiles and Molested Children in The Roman Catholic Church"
Pedophiles have molested innocent children in the Roman Catholic Church probably since the beginning of the church. These pedophiles have been protected and their horrendous crimes against children have gone unpunished. Now some of these children as adults have found their voices and are speaking out against the priests and teachers who molested them...
Read more:

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:29 am
Noted,signed and shared on FB. Thanks Beverly for the post. Thanks Carole for the forward.

Arild Warud (174)
Friday April 19, 2013, 2:34 am
Signed,Thanks Beverly.

Lynn D. (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 4:30 am
They are NOT above the law and need to be held accountable! Did sign and passed along the site to friends privately! Thanks!

Ros G. (74)
Friday April 19, 2013, 6:25 am
Thank you Carole for your kind is so hard for many to except that this does truly happened because they support a Faith or Charity but that shouldn't deter them from pursuing the truth. It always reminds me of the saying "one bad apple in the barrel" and fortunately it is only a minority that are the abusers..we need the other good apples to speak out..this is not the time to be silent.

SusanAWAY Allen (219)
Friday April 19, 2013, 6:42 am
Noted, signed and shared.

Carol Bischoff (412)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:36 am
Noted and signed.

Patricia E G. (65)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:42 am
I signed. And I would sign again and again and again......
These priests are not above the law! They are sinners and criminals.
They deserve to punished to the fullest extent of the law like any other rapist.
The Catholic Roman Church is to blame because it is faulty. It is the only religion
that refuses to let it's clergy to wed. That is WRONG! It is written " Every man shall
take to himself a wife." for good reason.
Thank you Beverly for posting. Thank you Caitlin for the forward.

Kathy Javens (104)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:43 am
Gladly signed, noted & shared on FB. Thank you, Beverly for posting and to Caitlin for sharing. These horrible crimes need to be punished to the fullest extent. It is beyond my comprehension how they could do such things in the first place. I wonder if they even stop to realize that they have stolen the innocense of children. There are no words to show my anger towards what they have done.

End Cruelty Deb W. (151)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:50 am
Yes - they indeed should prosecute those involved in the cover-up!

Maggie Beglarian (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:06 am

Patricia Cannell (852)
Friday April 19, 2013, 9:42 am
Signed and noted. I sure hope they can be prosecuted for things that have been going on since the beginning of the Roman Catholic Religion. Hiding behind religion makes these "men" weak cowards. Is that the type of men that are attracted to this religion? Sick bastards! Hope they rot in their hell they believe in.

pam w. (138)
Friday April 19, 2013, 10:26 am
OHHHHH yes....sending this to everyone I know!

Past Member (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 12:40 pm
Will this include the current Pope?

Kathleen R. (138)
Friday April 19, 2013, 12:49 pm
signed & noted

Robert O. (12)
Friday April 19, 2013, 12:54 pm
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.

Thanks Beverly!

Deborah W. (6)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:12 pm
Attorney Eric Holder? Seriously? Can't even handle his own cover-ups much less sticking his nose in the House of the Lord!

Separation of church and state always was and always will be an issue ... with each entity trying to deal, often without success, throughout the age.

Friday April 19, 2013, 2:01 pm
Signed, thanks.

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday April 19, 2013, 2:22 pm
Signed #273. Noted. Many thanks, Beverly! These were terrible crimes done by the Catholic Church...and then covered up as guilty priests were just shuffled from parish to parish, state-to-state. Pedophiles who are caught are prosecuted and put on lists for their entire lives, as all these priests and those who covered up for them should be.

Henrik Thorsen (31)
Friday April 19, 2013, 2:33 pm

Nelson Baker (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:06 pm

Anne T. (180)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:10 pm
Signed and shared! :)

Susanne R. (237)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:33 pm
A pedophile who hides behind a robe and chasuble is no less a criminal than any other sexual predator. They had the trust of children and unlimited access to them. That the Catholic Church chose to protect these monsters is beyond comprehension.

Gladly signed and noted. Thanks for posting this, Beverly, and 'thank you' to Carole for the forward!

Birgit W. (159)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:48 pm
Signed for sure!

Charlene B. (4)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:24 pm
Everyone who moved these pedophiles to protect them should be prosecuted to the fullest.No matter what title they now have.

Robert K. (31)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:06 pm
Pedophiles are scum, but pedophiles hiding behind the authority of the church and those who shelteredd them are far worse than the average. Let them sit in prison and see what it feels like to be the target rather than the hunter.

Patsy Olive (0)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:18 pm
they would not let me login and I am not changeing one thing to please thse sex on children.And I agree
how can they be above the law what makes them better,heck i'll grab me a big hat and see what I can get
away with. I would end up in jail.well I tried,but I can use my email power & tweet,Google & fb.

Helen Porter (39)
Friday April 19, 2013, 9:23 pm
Noted and signed

Ludger W. (71)
Friday April 19, 2013, 11:23 pm

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 12:31 am
I was here a few days ago, thanks to Carole's alert. And gladly signed this very important petition: Thanks to Beverly for posting it. Hope it will have the power to influence those who decide.

At that time,I wrote quite a lengthy comment (you know me!), but as I had several pages open at the same time & was moving back & forth between my comment-under-construction &, among other things, a C2 search -that proved vain- to find the old 2009 post of the story with the findings of Ireland's govt-sponsored yrs-in-the-making very thorough investigation -the 'Irish Child Abuse Commission' 2009- into the abuse (sexual & physical beatings, torture, the latter conceived as 'punishment') that took place for décades at various state childcare system establishments: orphanages & homes for 'delinquent' children/youth &, more particularly, the children of 'wayward' parents, who had ofen been removed from their homes & families on a denunciation to the Church or simply a local priest from 'good' Irish Catholic neighbors or fellow parishioners.

When the massive investigation & its findings (aka the Ryan Commission) finally came out, it had the effect of a BOMB in very Catholic-Church influenced Ireland. It blew everyone's minds. The worst imaginable was confirmed; it all HAD happened & for décades. The thorough investigators were able to find & interview I don't know how many adults of different ages who were still in many cases traumatized by the punishments &/or the sexual abuse they had been subjected to by the nuns & priests to whom the Irish state had entrusted running these institutions.

From Wiki (the first article i consulted): "A lengthy report detailing cases of emotional, physical and sexual abuse of thousands of children over 70 years was published on 20 May 2009. The report drew on the testimony of nearly 2,000 witnesses, men and women who attended more than 200 Catholic-run schools from the 1930s until the 1990s."

The report pointed to systematic failure of oversight: there had been govt inspectors assigned to inspecting these schools, homes, orphanages, who had failed miserably, scandalously to inspect properly, an issue of overwhelming criminal negligeance, caused by several factors: collusion with the Church personnel running these establishments, collusion with the Church hierarchy, and the general awe & respect in which the Catholic Church was (& I fear still is) held in Ireland.

This massive Irish-govt sponsored investigation is doubly important:

First, in & of itself - its content; the revelation of indisputable & horrific evidence of different varieties of abuse, the answers to the questions of who, when, where, how often, etc.

But, secondly, because it was the first of a whole chain of such scandals which subsequently came out, one by one, sweeping through the whole world from Germany to the USA to Australia. Although the abuse of children in other countries took place in different circumstances & in difference locations (rather than boarding 'schools' & homes), abuse there had been & EVERYWHERE!

However, although "The Report's conclusions section (Chapter 6) supports the overall tenor of the accusations without exception [8], ...the Commission's recommendations were restricted in scope by two rules imposed by the Irish government, and therefore do not include calls for the prosecution or sanction of any of the parties involved.[9]

From the 1st Wiki linked to -'Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal in Ireland'; section 'Irish Child Abuse Commission 2009': "As per 2002 agreement between the victims on one side and the Roman Catholic brothers and Irish government on other side, all those who accepted the state/Brothers settlements, had to waive their right to sue both the church and the government. Their abusers' identities are also kept secret.
Ireland's national police force announced that they would study the report to see if it provided any new evidence for prosecuting clerics for assault, rape or other criminal offences. The report, however, did not identify any abusers by name because of a right-to-privacy lawsuit by the Christian Brothers."

Imagine the FRUSTRATION & ANGER of all the 2,000 who'd suffered, who testified, & were re-traumatized, reliving a second time all these horrific events; with the Commission's investigation, they'd gone through it all again & by putting into words all the bad memories & pain, allowed the expériences to resurface again: IMPUNITY FOR THE PERVERTED SADISTIC NUNS & PRIESTS who had preyed on them as little children and/or teens!

This has quite rightly shaken the Catholic hierarchy to its very roots (not enough, it should have collapsed!) & I have heard it suggested this was the main cause of the last Pope's resignation.

I am TOTALLY OPPOSED to IMPUNITY in any of these cases.

(Anyway, when I tried to return from my vain search & resume my comment on this thread, this page had disappeared! Oh, frustration! Had to wait 2 days to be able to try again, minus the anger at having lost my comment.) If this isn't proof of how strongly I feel about this!

Vivien Green (153)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:14 am

paul m. (93)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 6:02 am


Ben Oscarsito (259)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 6:55 am
349 have signed...??? -Can't say that I'm impressed...

Lloyd H. (46)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:12 am
Personally I think this is a perfect candidate for RICO, Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization Act, part of the Organized Crime Control Act circa 1970. You have an organized conspiracy using money and influence to cover up crimes while committing other crimes. From Priest to Popes you have the intentional removal of evidence and criminals from jurisdictions to avoid/thwart investigation and prosecution. The use of Papal Legates with their Diplomatic Immunity removing evidence to the Vatican, started by Ratsucker, and the transfer of Priest et alia to the Vatican which has no extradition treaties with any nations. You have Priest to Bishops to Arch-Bishops to Cardinals to Popes as accessories before, during and after the fact. Before the fact when sending known Predatory Pedophiles to fresh hunting grounds/parishes. During the fact when ignoring or hiding complaints of predatory behavior. After the fact when destroying or hiding evidence, transferring pedophiles out of jurisdictions to protect them and the Church and requiring confidentiality clauses in settelments.

Aaron Bouchard (158)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:19 am
Signed and noted thanks

. (0)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:39 am
signed and noted. Thanks for sharing.

M B. (62)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 12:45 pm
Religious rape shouldn't be above the law. It must be punished, and I hope those men are allowed to marry in the future - to prevent the raping.
Absolutely signed.

Lisa Neste (771)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 1:26 pm
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.

Judith Hand (55)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 1:37 pm
Noted and signed.

Veronica Figueiredo (0)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 2:27 pm
The priests neesd to be prusecuted as ANY PERSON. They commited a CRIME and they have to be PUNISHED, PERIOD. The SUPERIORS who covered up the RAPES and, just transfering the priests CAUSED MORE VICTIMS once the priests were able to RAPE MORE KIDS, SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AS CRIMINALS AS THE RAPISTS. This is my opinon.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 2:38 pm

Well . . . HOT DAMN!

Now, THAT is speakin' truth, Veronica.

Thank you very much!

(Sendin' green star.)


Fred Krohn (34)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 3:17 pm
These pædophiles and those wo cover their sins are a major reason I'll never be Catholic.

Ann Breeden (65)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:27 pm

Patsy Olive (0)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 6:53 pm
signed,tweeted,fb,Googled & emailed. Are these bums going to get by for rape the rest of their alful life ?

Charlene Rush (79)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:23 pm
For certain, dealing with the Catholic Church, or any other major religious group, is 'touchy', but not so touchy that the horrendous assaults perpetrated on children, is not more significant.
The fact, that the Church, itself, did nothing to stop these ghastly crimes, tells you more than you, probably, want to know, about the importance of children, starting with the Vatican.
If this is Christ-like behavior, then, who was Judas?

Charlene Rush (79)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:35 pm
Dare I say, that if all priests involved directly, or indirectly with these sins against humanity, were convicted, the Church, itself, could fall apart.
It's unlikely, that most governments would tackle this problem, with any real intense devotion.

If Australia's Royal Commission is able to make any headway on this issue, they deserve great admiration.

Colleen L. (3)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:41 pm
Petition signed. All of the ones who are guilty of these terrible acts should be prosecuted for their actions. Thanks Beverly

Spirit Spider (86)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:01 pm
Long overdue. Signed

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:27 pm

Charlene, if these priests have God's mouth in their ears . . .

They should be the FIRST to denounce what amounts to a denial of several Commandments. (10 of which are above questioning, and the very foundation of the religion -- to those who choose to acceot and guide others to Christianity.)

And, since these same adherents believe in Satan, Heaven and Hell . . .

THEY, of all people, should cast out any excuse for such abominations as unholy.

I am NOT a Christian (nor any other religious adherent) . . . but I do NOT accept either the denial of the injustices perpetrated, nor any exxuses for such by any religious hierarchy.

CHILDREN have been irreparably harmed here (probably for life).

There is NO shield from prosecution that should protect these violators!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:36 pm

And, as expressed by previous commenter, the allowance of priests to marry . . .

WTF is that about?

Are you completely unaware of the fact that even so-called heterosexual couples have problems (many times leading to divorce)? In fact, pedophilia has NOTHING to do with sanctioned sexual interaction.

(And when-- after the 1600's -- did we start "sanctioning" sexual acts behind closed doors -- so long as the partners are of legal age of consent?)

The issue here is n0t the perversive act itself, but the FACT that these, extremely psychologically damaging acts, are repeated ignored.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:42 pm

It's clear-cut fact that, at least in the U.S., sexual acts performed by/or performed on, adults involving an individual under the age of knowledgeable consent (18 in most states) . . .


Prosecute them!


LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:12 am
I have been reading over the comments that I didn't have time to do before; and have sent out a number of well-deserved Green Stars.

I won't name all the recipients, but Charlene Rush is one, for sure! Yeah, "If this is Christ-like behavior, then, who was Judas?" & « The fact, that the Church, itself, did nothing to stop these ghastly crimes, tells you more than you, probably, want to know, about the importance of children, starting with the Vatican. » I’d just add that dismissing the terrible harm done to children in order to cover up the crimes, shows how important the image of the Church is for the Church hierarchy. They were more motivated by self-protection & self-preservation than to saving countless children from irreparable harm & trauma.

I wanted to reward a comment of yours, Carole, the 'Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:27 pm' one, which is my sentiment exactly, but no stars left for you today, they tell me.

And I am particularly impressed with LLOYD H.'s comment which has the bite that the situation merits, & makes a clear case for prosecution …under a law I wouldn’t even have thought of. "You have Priest to Bishops to Arch-Bishops to Cardinals to Popes as accessories BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the fact." His idea of indicting & prosecuting them under "RICO, Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization Act, part of the Organized Crime Control Act" -not outlandish at all- is a nice twist for these 'venerable,’ ‘very-to-most reverend’ 'holinesses'

Richard Zane Smith's cleverly turned "Seems those who believe in ORIGINAL SIN and "the utter depravity of man" are the ones who seem the most proficient at PROVING it" really delivers a well-deserved punch to the Church's total hypocrisy.
Reminds me of the Popes & other priests who had mistresses & illegitimate children during the Renaissance, to name but one period I am aware of. Having a mistress, however contrary to the vows these men took, is still a big step up from the depravity that has allowed far too many to inflict rape on hundreds or thousands of children & teenagers.

On a short visit to Richard Zane Smith's personal page, I found out that he is a "Wyandot language revitalizationist." Since Google is has become my antidote to ignorance, I googled 'Wyandot' which I had never heard of before, & found out from Wiki that "Wyandot is the Iroquoian language traditionally spoken by the people known variously as Wyandot, Wyandotte, Wendat, or Huron." I am delighted to have learned this, & feel admiration for Richard’s inspiring commitment to keep this language alive -keep the culture alive- despite all the efforts of European colonizers to eradicate this people & their culture, & the genocide that was perpetrated against all Native Americans.
I apologize if anyone is offended or irritated by my going off the topic, but I had to say this.

Gene, the Pope is in no position to prosecute; but he CAN excommunicate. Perhaps you meant that the Pope's first priority should be 'house cleaning,' but that is done 'backstage' so to speak, & does not involve prosecution before the law.

I agree with Ben that 349 signatures is pathetic! Very disappointing.

Susan L. (150)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:16 am
Carole, so sorry I could only send you 1 star **, two more for your other comments. I wish people would collectively understand that being "married" has nothing to do with pedophiles, nor does being "homosexual". A person's lifestyle, sexual preference, marital status, religious affiliation, or lack of religion does not make them "guilty" by association and it certainly does not make them "safe" or "above reproach". Just sayin'...
No offense intended, Monka

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:29 am
This is true, what both Carole & Sue have pointed out. For a lot time, perhaps historically, male homosexuals were assumed to prey on children, which is a total misconception & caused a lot of civil rights violations for male gays, who had to hide their preference in order to be employed as school teachers, for ex.

True, too, that being married in the heterosexual sense of a man having a wife, has never prevented a pedophile from acting out on those desires. It is not a question of the availability of one sort of sex preventing or precluding the sex drive for a different type of 'partner,' a non-consenting child, just as being married to a woman has never precluded rapists (of adult women) from acting out. Just think of all the men convicted of rape and/or rape with assault, violence, who were 'family men.'

Sunday April 21, 2013, 2:15 am
SIgned and noted, Thanks Beverly.

paul m. (93)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 4:52 am


Lynn C. (94)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 8:58 am

Inge Bjorkman (188)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 10:14 am

Darren Woolsey (217)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 10:37 am
The church and its practitioners should stop hiding behind the organization and closed doors.

Bonita Annis (20)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:09 pm
Signed and shared and also noted..
These unspeakable crimes need to be addressed..

Sharon Davidson (373)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:30 pm
these leaders need to be punished to the fullest for all the fear and anquish they have put upon these young children

Emma S. (240)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 1:23 pm
Done! Thanks, Beverly - and to Carole for the forward.

Beverly Fjobhunting (86)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 2:41 pm
Only 446 signatures ~

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 3:02 pm

Hey, Beverly . . . Don't beat yourself up.

When I signed, only 3 days ago, I was #133 (or so). The petition was originally posted on March 24th. So, in a very short amount of time your work -- and the efforts of several others here, who could see the importance -- we've done a great deal (adding over 300 signatures).

Good work, guys!!!


Judy C. (102)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 4:39 pm
Where there are laws of mandatory reporting of abuse for professionals, I don't see how these instances of not reporting shouldn't pursued legally, unless the time frame involved prohibits this. These are crimes that deserve prosecution. Signed. Thanks, Beverly.

Rhonda lawford (4)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:52 am
ABSOLUTELY!! Thank you very much

Carlene V. (202)
Monday April 22, 2013, 11:42 am
Absolutley signed, tired of the church hiding these sick men and sending them off to another parish where they continue to abuse.

Lindell L. (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:27 am
This seems to be the sort of thing we have RICO statutes for. If moving abusive priests around the world to keep them from prosecution isn't the action of a Criminal Organization, what is?

Kenneth V. (1500)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 12:15 pm
signed and noted thanks for sharing

Tamara Hayes (185)
Monday April 29, 2013, 6:57 pm
Noted, signed, twittered and google shared. Thank you.

Melania Padilla (197)
Wednesday May 1, 2013, 3:23 pm

Jim Phillips (3255)
Tuesday November 12, 2013, 8:50 am
AVAAZ petition signed.

It is still open.

The higher ups should also be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

ty, Beverly.
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