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Danish Psychologist: 'Integration of Muslims in Western Societies Is Not Possible'


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Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 9:49 am
Danish integration problems with Muslims became public worldwide in 2006 when the newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons of the prophet Mohammed. Exactly two years later riots broke out again because of the reprint of the Mohammed cartoons by all major Danish newspapers.

Currently 70 percent of the prison population in the Copenhagen youth prison consists of young man of Muslim heritage. Is this recent violence and general violent tendency among Muslims solely coincidental, or is there a direct connection?

In February 2009, Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist published a book entitled Among Criminal Muslims: A Psychologist’s Experience from Copenhagen. In his book, Nicolai Sennels shares a psychological perspective of this Muslim Culture, its relationship to anger, handling emotions and its religion. He based his research on hundreds of hours of therapy with 150 young Muslims in the Copenhagen youth jail. EuropeNews interviewed the author about his book and its consequences on integration of Muslims in Europe.

EuropeNews: Nicolai Sennels, how did you get the idea to write a book about criminal Muslims in Denmark?
Nicolai Sennels: I got the idea in February 2008 during a conference on integration in Copenhagen, where I was invited as the first and only psychologist working in a Copenhagen youth prison. My speech at the conference was about the fact, that foreigners’ culture plays a significant role concerning integration, crime and religious extremism. I emphasized, that people from a Muslim culture find it difficult, if not impossible, to create a successful life in Denmark.

This statement was met with great resistance from Danish politicians and also my own boss from the youth prison. I was quite surprised since I thought that my point is obvious: some cultures fit better into Western societies than others. All of Europe is currently struggling to integrate Muslims but this endeavor seems to be impossible. According to the Danish police and the Danish Bureau of Statistics more than 70 percent of all crimes in the Danish capital are committed by Muslims. Our national bank recently published a report stating that a Muslim foreigner costs more than 2 million Danish kroner (300,000 euros) in federal social assistance on average, caused by the low participation in the work force. On top of this, we have to add many additional types of social welfare that unemployed people can receive in our country: expenses in connection with interpreters, special classes in school – 64 percent of school children with Muslim parents cannot read and write Danish properly after 10 years in a Danish school – social work, extra police etc.

My statement resulted in a legal injunction, a kind of professional punishment, which stated, that if I ever repeat this, I could be fired. According to the Copenhagen authorities it is apparently permitted to state that the serious problems among Muslims are caused by poverty, the media, the police, the Danes, politicians, etc. But two things are definitely not allowed: 1) discussing the significance of culture and 2) our foreigners own responsibility for their integration in our societies. Unfortunately many very powerful politicians lack a clear understanding of the psychological aspect of culture and the influence it has on integration.

EuropeNews: What were the reactions in Denmark?
Sennels: The book was received with a great amount of attention, already before the book was officially published on February 24 2009. It was on the front page of one of the biggest national newspapers in Denmark, and I was on the radio and TV participating in debates with politicians and other experts on the subject. The first publication of the book was sold out after three weeks.

Since then, there have been some big changes in Danish integration policy, which seems to have been influenced by the book and the attention it got. From my personal point of view, the widespread attention shows that my statement is true: there is simply a great need for a deeper understanding of how Muslims’ culture influences their chances for integration.

The very famous politician, Naser Khader, who is Muslim and the author of the Honor and Shame, wrote a review of my book and stated that it should be “obligatory reading for students, social workers and teachers.” Jyllands-Posten, the brave newspaper that first published the Mohammed cartoons, calls the book “an original piece of pioneer work.”

EuropeNews: Let’s have a closer look at the book. You talk about four myths of integration. The first one concerns the difference between the cultures of immigrants.

Sennels: What I discovered during my work at the youth prison was that people of Muslim heritage have other needs for social work than Danes or people of non-Muslim cultures. These different needs require more attention, and psychologists need to do more research on these topics in order to be able to create effective social politics.
I completely agree with my critics that personal and social problems can lead to anti-social behavior among both Westerners and Muslims. However, there is still extremely disproportional anti-social and anti-democratic behavior among Muslims. The Danish Bureau of Statistics published a report (1 and 2) stating that Muslim countries take the first eight places on the top 10-list of criminals’ country of origin. Denmark is number nine on this list.

EuropeNews: So that means, we have to treat Muslim and non-Muslim immigrants in a different way?
Sennels: Seen from a psychological and also humanistic perspective, it is very clear that people from different cultures have different needs when they have or create problems. My own experience is that Muslims don’t understand our Western way of trying to handle conflicts through dialogue. They are raised in a culture with very clear outer authorities and consequences. Western tradition using compromise and inner reflection as primary means of handling outer and inner conflicts is seen as weak in the Muslim culture. To a great extent they simply don’t understand this softer and more humanistic way of handling social affairs. In the context of social work and politics this means that they need more borders and stronger consequences to be able to adjust their behavior.

EuropeNews: That leads us directly to the second myth: it is often said, that the criminality of immigrants is caused by social problems, not by their cultural background. In your book you disagree and point to the religion of the Muslims as a source of criminality.

Sennels: Well, I would rephrase it as “Muslim culture” instead of “religion” because there are a lot of Muslims who don’t know what is written in the Quran and who don’t visit the mosques. But they are strongly influenced on a cultural level. And there we see that especially anger is much more accepted in the Muslim culture.

One example: in Western culture and also in other non-Muslim cultures, like in Asia, you see aggression and a sudden explosion of anger as something you’ll regret afterwards, something you are ashamed of. It is completely opposite in the Muslim culture. If somebody steps on your honor – what I as a psychologist would call self confidence – you are simply expected to show aggression and often also verbal or physical revenge. So, aggression gives you a low status in our cultures, but a high status in the Muslim culture.

There is however another and much deeper reason for the wide spread anti-social behavior in Muslim communities and their strong aversion against integration – namely, the very strong identification that Muslims have with belonging to the Muslim culture.

My encounter with the Muslim culture has been a meeting with an exceedingly strong and very proud culture. This is certainly something that can ensure an ancient culture’s survival through changing times – Islam and the Muslim culture are excellent examples of this. A strong and proud culture unfortunately also makes the culture’s members almost unable to adapt to other values. In Germany, only 12 percent of their 3.5 million Muslims see themselves as more German than Muslim; in France and Denmark, only 14 percent of the Muslim populations respectively see themselves more as French or Danish than Muslim. Research among Muslims living in Denmark also shows that 50 percent of the 1st- and 2nd-generation immigrants are against free speech and 11 percent would like to see the Danish constitution exchanged with the sharia law (more numbers from this research can be found in the printed issue of the newspaper). These high percentages are of course frightening, but especially disturbing is the fact that there are no differences of opinion on this topic among Muslims who are born and raised in Muslim countries and the opinion of their children who are born and raised in Danish society. When it comes to identity among Muslims, nationality does not count at all in comparison with culture and religion. The consequence is a powerful and growing opposition to Western culture and values in Muslim ghettoes throughout Copenhagen and other major European cities.

EuropeNews: As you already pointed out, a lot of Muslims have a strong connection to their religious identity. The third myth you dismantle in your book is about the percentage of extremist’s and fundamentalists among Muslims. It’s often presumed that this percentage is relatively small. What is your experience?

Sennels: People hope that most Muslims are modern and accept Western values. My experience is different, and this has been proven by the statistics in Europe that I just quoted. In February 2008, we had some deadly serious riots by young Muslims in Denmark.

Those riots were partly a reaction to the great focus by the Danish police on the steeply rising crime rates in Muslim areas. The other reason was the reprinting of the Mohammed cartoons in all Danish newspapers. This reprinting was an act of solidarity with the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, whose life was, and still is, seriously threatened.

In these riots, we saw Muslims who don’t practice the Islamic religion in their daily lives standing up for their culture and religion in a very aggressive way. Copenhagen was smoking for an entire week due to several hundred of fires, and the police and firemen trying to calm the situation down were also attacked. A big part of the rioters ended up in the prison where I worked, and I therefore I had the chance to talk with them. Almost all of them were Muslims, and they all claimed that what they have done – starting fires, attacking the police etc. – was justified since Danish society, through its pressure on integration and through reprinting the Mohammed cartoons, has proven itself to be racist and against Islam and Muslim culture. The few Danish people among the rioters were completely different. Their explanation of their actions was predominately a search for adventure or excitement.

EuropeNews: The fourth myth is that poverty among immigrants leads to their bad social situation. In your book, you tell us that the opposite is true.

Sennels: You can formulate this important question like this: do people get social problems because they are poor, or do they become poor because they create social problems? My experience is that the very low focus on supporting one’s children in school and on one’s own education and the lack of motivation for creating a professional career is a crucial factor for the poverty, which many Muslims experience in both our societies and in Muslim countries. On top of it, one fourth of all young male Muslims in Denmark have a criminal record. Poor reading skills, a strong aversion against authorities and a criminal record simply make it very difficult for you to get a well paying job. It is anti-social behavior that makes you poor. Not the other way around.

Unfortunately many politicians see poverty as the main cause of integration problems. I think this is a horrible and one-dimensional view of poor people and of people in general. The idea that people’s behavior is decided by the amount of money they have on their bank accounts every month is an exceedingly limited view. I myself, as a psychologist who graduated from the humanities department of the University of Copenhagen, would say that people have many more and stronger factors in their lives than money, which influence their behavior and way of thinking.

EuropeNews: What is the conclusion on your research? Is the integration of people of Muslim heritage into Western societies possible?

Nicolai Sennels: I would say that the optimists, the people who say that integration is possible, carry a very great responsibility. There is a very great risk that they are selling us hope, a dream, that has no foundation in reality. This means that they will be the ones who are responsible for Europe looking away from and not addressing its problems until it is too late.

There is simply no research in Europe that supports the optimists’ view. On the contrary, all the research that we have on integration of Muslims in Western societies shows that we are continuing to head in the wrong direction. So I don’t know how these optimists come to their conclusion. Maybe it is a vain and childish hope that everything will turn out well, just like in the fairy tales. Or maybe it is a pseudo-Darwinistic idea that everything will develop in a positive direction. One thing is for sure: they don’t base their judgments on facts.

Of course there are exceptions but for the largest part integration to the necessary degree of Muslims is not possible. Clever and compassionate people are working all over Europe on the problem, and they have spent billions of Euros on the project, yet, the problems still continue to grow.

The psychological explanation is actually simple. The Muslim and the Western cultures are fundamentally very different. This means Muslims need to undergo very big changes in their identity and values to be able to accept the values of Western societies. Changing basic structures in one’s personality is a very demanding psychological and emotional process. Apparently very few Muslims feel motivated to do so. I only know a few who managed, but I also know that it was a long and exhausting struggle on an inner level for them and that they often pay a high personal price on the outer level because their Muslim friends and families despise and/or disown them for leaving their culture.

EuropeNews: But what we are going to do with the Muslims, who are already here?

Sennels: I see two possibilities. Firstly, we should immediately stop all immigration of people from Muslim countries to Europe until we have proven that integration of Muslims is possible.

Secondly, we should help Muslims who don’t want to or are not able to integrate in our Western societies to build a new and meaningful life in a society they understand and that understands them. This means to assist them in starting a new life in a Muslim country. We actually have the economic means to do this. As I mentioned previously, the Danish National Bank calculated, that every immigrant from Muslim countries costs 300,000 euros on average. With this money, we could help these people to live a happy life in a Muslim country without having to integrate in a society they don’t understand and therefore cannot accept. Having money enough to support one’s family and live in a country where one feels at home with the surrounding culture would be a great step forward in the quality of their lives. And we should help them achieve this. Not only the individual Muslim, but also European societies will benefit. Muslims immigrating from Europe to Muslim countries will function as ambassadors for more free and democratic societies: due to their experience from living in a democracy with real human rights and their knowledge of the social systems in Europe, they will take very important ideas and values with them. In this way they can do what hopefully most of them dream of, i.e. help their Muslim brothers and sisters in their home countries by changing the poor conditions and from which they moved away from initially.

Nicolai Sennels, 33 years old, is a psychologist and has worked for the Copenhagen authorities for several years. From 2005 to 2008 he worked at the Sønderbro youth prison in Copenhagen.
See also the article by Nicolai Sennels
And this report at Gates of Vienna

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributor Felix Streuning writes for EuropeNews.dk.


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Allan Yorkowitz (457)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 10:56 am
Obviously, the Muslim extremists got out of hand because instead of jailing them, they should have been deported.
Immigration laws need to be tightened, if not reviewed, and re-legislated. Denmark, England, Netherlands, cannot continue to have a safe society until there is a major overhaul in the politics of these countries.
 

Donna Hamilton (133)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 12:00 pm
Personally, I would welcome a ban on all religions; religious fanatics would have no option but to leave the country. Thanks for the article, Carol.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 12:04 pm
Sorry Allan...Can't send you another green star but you are right on!!

Thanks for your input Donna! And the note! I appreciate it very much!
 

Beth S. (316)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 6:08 pm
Just adding this interesting piece:

"Here is a perspective by Dr. Peter Hammond. Dr. Hammond’s doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0..6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammad cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run

ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrases are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrases. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century."

Outline Author Unknown

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 6:18 pm
Thank you, Carol.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 6:25 pm
Thanks so much Beth for adding this info and Thanks Pat!! I appreciate it!!
 

Stan B. (122)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 6:44 pm
What Nicolai Sennels is saying is the same as many of us have been saying for some time.
Thanks again, Carol.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 6:55 pm
You're very welcome Stan!!
 

Bob P. (424)
Saturday March 2, 2013, 8:49 pm
thanks
 

John J. (0)
Sunday March 3, 2013, 12:31 am
Politicians who do not see the danger of islam are either ignorant of Islam or in some way financially benefitted
It is the only conclusion that fits the scenario
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday March 3, 2013, 1:28 am
Or they ARE a Muslim pushing an agenda!
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday March 3, 2013, 8:55 am
Does anyone remember Salman Rushtie? That should have set off alarm bells in all countries.

In biology, intelligence and behaviour is measured against human attainments to see where animals match us. One of the criteria is passing on history and it seems that we fail at our own attainment, animals do much better at it than we do!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Sunday March 3, 2013, 10:41 am
An interesting bit of information Gillian and I can believe it! I just added on an article yesterday about the Incredibly Shrinking Brain where they said hundreds and thousands of years ago the human brain was bigger and smarter than those of today!! Pretty incredible when one thinks about it! Also on another article or topic I read where they studied the brain of a very evil person and there was a dark spot on the brain that is not in the normal brain. Makes one wonder about what the brains of some of these terrorists look like!
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Monday March 4, 2013, 1:19 am
Unfortunately for the many Muslims who have fled to the West to escape Islam's oppression, they are often grouped with the hateful Orthodox Muslims who obey Islam's hateful, violent, bigoted and barbaric commands to the letter, including persecuting and even killing those ex-Muslims who simply want to be free, which Islam does not allow. This is a growing and dangerous problem with these Orthodox hate mongers here in Europe, and little it being done to protect the people form them and their primitive tribal bigotry and ignorance.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 2:18 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Rob and Jay because you have done so within the last day.
 

Carol D. (104)
Monday March 4, 2013, 11:36 am
The difference is you can say anything or make films about any other religion and someone might cry out blasphemy but with Islam you say anything and you have a death threat immediately and they will carry it out too
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 12:03 pm
Sorry Carol..I can't send you another green star..:-( You are 100% correct! They thrive on LIES and threats! They use our Constitutional rights here in the US against us in order to be able to spew their hatred by claiming racist or bigots or claim they are being abused which is one huge total lie in itself! Another thing is all we hear about is a separation of church and state and no religion should be taught in schools and YET what are the Muslims in this country doing but teaching Islam and Sharia Law to our youth!! That just burns me up and we have a so called President who only encourages it because he is a Muslim himself! We never hear the ACLU screaming about that though which tells me there are Muslims infiltrated in that organization too! It is so pathetic and scary it's a living nightmare! Then there are those on the left who scream racist/bigot/anti Muslim and you name it. IMO anyone who can't see the true Muslim agenda here and what their intentions are is deliberatly and intentionally ignorant!
 

Jude Hand (56)
Monday March 4, 2013, 12:28 pm
Noted. I'm not familiar with the source and not sure that I'd be on the same page with them. But it does make for an interesting read.
 

Gene Jacobson (241)
Monday March 4, 2013, 12:43 pm
"Muslims immigrating from Europe to Muslim countries will function as ambassadors for more free and democratic societies: due to their experience from living in a democracy with real human rights and their knowledge of the social systems in Europe, they will take very important ideas and values with them. In this way they can do what hopefully most of them dream of, i.e. help their Muslim brothers and sisters in their home countries by changing the poor conditions and from which they moved away from initially."

Boy, that last part is pie in the sky. Though I certainly agree with expelling troublemakers, send them right back where they came from, but to expect them to become ambassadors for western culture is naive at best. If you toss them because they cannot acclimate, what on earth makes you think they will go back to any muslim country and speak lovingly of the west? They won't. Every century has had its barbarian hordes back into antiquity, Islam is the 21st century counterpart. They don't acclimate, they propagate and as the artilce Beth brought in showed, as their numbers increase, so too does the danger they represent to the rest of the people in that country. They are fighting a war, all of them, and the west doesn't even acknowledge, in its ridiculous obsession with political correctness, that a problem exists. It is like an alligator swallowing you whole and you continue to insist, right up until your head disappears down his throat, that you are really just getting acquainted.
 

Gene Jacobson (241)
Monday March 4, 2013, 12:45 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Beth because you have done so within the last day.

See, one a day isn't enough either! :^)
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 12:49 pm
Gene..You are totally correct on that one and when I read that part I thought..right..sure they will! I mean it sounds good and all but lets be realistic about it!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 4, 2013, 4:56 pm
The only hope for peace on a long time run is creating an official Moderate Muslim religion, which does not preach hate and racism. I am sure many Muslims who grew up in the West would support this religion. The fight against Islamic extremists and fanatics will continue, but at least people born Muslims will have a good choice.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 7:14 pm
You know Bob that is the smartest idea I have ever heard for the Moderate Muslims if they TRULY do not believe in all of the hate and killing, maiming, pedophilia, multiple wives and etc; Re-write the Koran for those who want to live a peaceful life and let them live according to that if that is what they want! Thanks!!
 

. (1)
Monday March 4, 2013, 10:09 pm
Here are two of the articles written by the "psychologist" referred to in this thread, "Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society" and " “Denmark: Muslim cousin marriages fills schools for retarded” ".

The titles alone sound very similar to something Hitler would have written. This is what you want to promote Carol. Genetic superiority (yes he speaks about that), Inbreeding? Is this what you believe is the case?
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 10:33 pm
Free..This is in fact true! Have you never heard of this before!? Do you know what happens and what can be affected by inbreeding!? Deformities, mental issues are some of the more common things to happen. This has nothing to do with something Hitler would have done. It happens with animals as well as humans! An X friend of mine use to raise dogs and sell them as purebreds when in fact they were inbred and had all kind of deformities. She could not give papers away with them but yet she charged an excessive amount to sell them as purebreds!

Muslim Inbreeding

A Study by Nicolai Sennels

Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous results of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects.

The risk of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher and the risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.

Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.

Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguinous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as “retarded,” increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages.

(Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time.)

In Denmark, non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.

Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.

Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. “A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies.”

Only nine Muslims have every won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the “Peace Prize.” According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).

In Denmark, Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.

Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of the patients in Denmark ‘s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background.

The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, “One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.”

Sennels concludes:

There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims’ religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. (This has produced) overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences. [Sennels’ statement here is inaccurate. Muslim men are permitted to marry non-Muslim women.]

Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Christian compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous religion. Let’s hope America wakes up before a blind naivete about the reality of Islam destroys what remains of our Christian culture and our domestic tranquility.

http://www.trueorthodoxy.org/non_christian_islam_inbreeding.shtml

Now this is only one link with information on inbreeding..there are MANY more if you care to just Google Muslim inbreeding! There are loads of links on it!
 

Helen Porter (41)
Monday March 4, 2013, 10:54 pm
I don't think they want to integrate but to dominate.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Monday March 4, 2013, 11:05 pm
Thanks Zee! I agree with you!!

Free..I added a post on with other links but don't know what happened to it...just google Inbreeding and you will come up with lots of links to humans, plants, dogs and etc; You will see the affects of what inbreeding does to all and why.
 

. (1)
Tuesday March 5, 2013, 3:34 am
Google? The premier tool for all psychological research. Give me a break. In addition, the articles Nicolai Sennels writes don't seem to quite make it to Psychology Today, it is published in bottom of the barrel blogs of people like Robert Spencer, David Horowitz and the league of Islamophobists.

When it is acceptable to infer genetic superiority over whole populations, we aren't in Kansas anymore. It seems that we have travelled back intime and are in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
 

. (1)
Tuesday March 5, 2013, 4:51 am
So if they can't integrate into Western society (they must be nuts to not want to emulate the great model of democracy and moral leader, America - HA!) what do you want to do with them? Maybe we should just nuke them Carol. If "top notch" psychologist,Nicolai Sennels, who writes in all the best academic journals like Jihadwatch and FrontPage mag, states that they can't be integrated are inherently violent and want to kill off the Jewish population, just because, the only solution would be to annihilate them. Is that your position Carol?
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Tuesday March 5, 2013, 9:43 am
Free..It is nothing about superiority..nothing at all..it's about sound logical FACTS of inbreeding. And this is not about my position. It is about why Muslims in Western society will never be able to integrate into Western society whether you refuse to believe it or not!! This psychologist has more intelligence in this area than you do! Just because you are anti Israel you come out with hateful rhetoric against them!! I refuse to argue about something that has nothing to do with the topic so I will not reply to any more of your misinformation!
 

. (1)
Tuesday March 5, 2013, 5:30 pm
First of all, how dare you accuse me of being anti-Israel. First of all where is this hateful rhetoric. Anything I have referred to is the historical record as per Israeli Jewish historians (those are the people who actually study history, not make it up as they go along). My criticism, which is mirrored by many, many Jews, of Israel is because if Israel continues down this merry path, it is going to end very, very badly for them. I think that the only analogy which I think you can understand is friends don't let other friends drive drunk. It is the same thing Carol. Has it ever occurred to you that without a two state solution which seems to be dead in the water only leaves one possible solution? This conflict has about played itself out and the international community, including every Western nation, except maybe Canada (we are always late to the ball) is getting more than tired of this. No one is going to allow it to continue on indefinitely, so if there isn't a two state solution, what is left Carol. I think that once you have a one state and people start demanding equal rights for the Palestinians, the Jewish majority will be run over in no time. Where is that going to leave the State of Israel Carol. Aside from the fact that Israel's behaviour is based on land expansionism, it is deplorable to side with a nation on policies which deny fundamental, basic human rights in addition to exercising suppression, oppression, discrimination and apartheid.

Just wanted to clear that up Carol. Now onto Nicolai Sennels.
Carol, it is about superiority. Have you read any of the "esteemed" psychologist's other hate papers? I doubt it, as you tend to post what ever shiny object that catches your eye. You saw psychologist, you thought credibility. Not so duckie.

Mr. Sennels does not have any intelligence in this area. In fact, all Sennels publishes (aside from his manifesto which he calls a book) is in the blogosphere. He is not a big hit amongst academia. See Carol, I did my research and actually went through the every academic psychology database that I could search through.

I checked the PsycINFO database - provides access to international literature in psychology and related disciplines such as psychiatry, education, business, medicine, nursing, pharmacology, law, linguistics, and social work. All records from 1967 to the present are indexed using the Thesaurus of Psychological Index Terms. The sources include over 1,800 professional journals, chapters, books, reports, theses and dissertations, published internationally. Additionally, there are more than 8 million cited references in 185,000 journal articles, books, and book chapters. PsycINFO is a department of the American Psychological Association (APA)

My search under author: Nicolai Sennels

Result:
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PsycARTICLES database- articles from journals published by the American Psychological Association, the APA Educational Publishing Foundation, the Canadian Psychological Association, and Hogrefe Publishing Group. For mobile APP (APA Journals Pro)

My search under author: Nicolai Sennels

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PsycCRITIQUES database - more than 38,000 reviews, dating back to 1956, plus tables of contents for recent weekly releases. More than 900 reviews are published annually.

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PsycTHERAPY - contains more than 300 videos featuring therapy demonstrations

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CogNet - texts for cognitive and brain sciences. The Library contains works from the MIT Press, as well as content and links to resources from other publishers, professional associations, institutions, and individuals who are willing to share public access to online work. The collection currently includes The MIT Encyclopedia of the Cognitive Sciences, The New Cognitive Neurosciences, scholarly journals, and over 250 e-books.

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In addition, Mr. Sennels admits himself that he doesn't keep any statistics whatsoever when he is performing his "research". This methodology must be "new" research (kind of like new math - while in reality math has changed very, very little over the centuries) where you can actually compile data without collecting any.

Nicolai boychuk's claim to fame, aside from blogging on Jihadwatch, is prosector's psychologist/media pundit Dr. Michael Welner's (probably the only one the government could testify to what they wanted - which proved disastrous) testimony in the case of Omar Khadr's sentencing. Dr. Welner was dumb enough to base his testimony a very superficial read of Sennel's material which was thorough discredited. Dr. Welner (I use the term Dr. very, very loosely) then admitted that he didn't share Sennel's viewpoint, even though Sennel was his source.

So, no real academic record, the only CV online (where most academic's, especially the really smart ones - like you claim Sennel is - would be easily found), no publishing, discredited source for Khadr's sentencing, but lots and lots of blogging at well known hate websites, such as Jihadwatch and FrontPage Mag.

People like Sennel's know that there are people who will swallow their hateful rhetoric like moth to flame. They know that these people won't verify what they read, nor do they really care. It makes it very, very easy for him to have his 15 minutes of fame while he is running all the way to the bank.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday March 5, 2013, 11:30 pm
Very gratifying to see someone speak out freely, ignoring the POLITICALLY CORRECT who would slap him with labels, etc.

Good for him! I hope he stays safe.
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 3:36 am
This is what we call it when someone claims to be an expert on a topic based on nothing (remember, he doesn't collect data to have statistics), has never published anything in his area of expertise other than in the blogosphere (not one academic journal can be found) in order to espouse his downright hatred towards a faith based population? More like he is practicing fraud, and has it nothing to do with being politically incorrect (which seems to be the baggers favorite word to justify racism, xenophobia, intolerance - are you a bagger now Pam?).

It seems more like we are in Germany in the 30s. I guess we never learn, do we?
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 3:52 am
Wondering too, why is it considered heroic for someone to demonize people when it comes to Muslims, but if someone even dare to suggest Israeli policy is equivalent to the practice of Apartheid (where it fits the 1973 definition and many, many fronts) you scream antisemitism?
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 4:06 am

From the Sennels article Carol posted in one of her responses:

"This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world".

Well I guess 20 states in America didn't get that news bulletin. States that allow marriage between first cousins are Alabama, Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont and Virginia. England - legal, Netherlands - still legal too, and "only Austria, Hungary, and Spain banned cousin marriage throughout the 19th century, with dispensations being available from the government in the last two countries". [Ottenheimer, Martin (1996). "Forbidden Relatives: The American Myth of Cousin Marriage". University of Illinois.]
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 9:39 am
Margaret, you know very well that these is a broad bunch of Jews making their living of promoting anti-Jewish and anti-Israel views. Your position on this matter is also well known.

Your cliams of defending Muslims are ridiculous, because you always lump Moderate Muslims and Islamist Extremists together, using the former as a Human Shield for the latter. You owe a huge apology to Moderate Muslims for doing that.

Don't pretend that you can't differentiate between racist and discriminatory policies of Arab and Muslim states against non-Muslims, and equal rights Israel gave its Arab citizen. You know which peoples and states supported Nazis, you know about Jerusalem Mufti helping Hitler to gas Jewish kids, you know all that - why did you bring Nazis to equation?

I suggest you read what you write first, at least once, Margaret, before posting.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 10:03 am
Margaret, if some people are not happy with the social order of the country, they should try to move to another place, more suitable for their liking. There is no need to do anything with them, or for them.

There are quite a few Muslims countries in the world, so it's a wide choice for anyone unhappy with the life in the West.

 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 2:18 pm
Thanks Pam and thanks Bob for some words of wisdom! I could not have said it any better!!
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 4:06 pm
What I challenged was the source itself. I provided a great deal of cited source to support what I believe is a fraud. If you have nothing to refute my post Bob, anything else is just noise. It provides nothing, doesn't support anything you claim, and in fact, weakens your position.

Bob, we aren't discussing policies in regressive Islamic dictatorships, we are talking about an article that was posted by an author whose agenda is to slam a whole population of people, not governments Bob, people with nothing to support. He has no academic standing, has done no credible research (you would have to compile data in order to do so) and only writes for the audience of the truly ignorant, the subscribers of known hate sites, such as Jihadwatch and FrontPage mag.

This is why it is useless to have any discussion with you Bob, or Carol for that matter. If you want to discuss dictatorships then we can discuss it there. This post and my criticism of it has nothing to do with what states do, it has to do with promoting non credible information by a fraud and calling it good. I certainly have criticism against states in the Middle East, as I do with states in Africa, in Central America, in South America, in Asia and in North America. I, though, will base my criticism on fact, on what is being done to people and how they are governed, not what racist, trumped up crap you post.

In addition Bob, if you want to refute what I posted, then actually address that rather than attempt to change the subject. Addressing things that aren't part of this post only makes you look more foolish than usual. I also am still waiting for you to direct me to all of the things I have posted that you allegedly have proven to be false. It seems that you keep on chirping the same old tune, but have no back up.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 5:11 pm
Margaret, on which grounds you are talking about apartheid, as relevant to Israel? Israeli Arabs have full rights, they can get education in Arabic for free and don't have to go to Israeli army. Arabs have MKs, generals businessmen and whoever you want, including supporters of Likud and other Zionist parties. Arab MKs don't mind to show support for countries with which Israel is at war, and go unpunished for that, unless they start spying.

So, what is your basis about apartheid?
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 6:07 pm
Bob, before we move onto Apartheid which I have already provided to you on countless occasions, let's try and stay on, perhaps, one topic. The topic here was the complete fraud, the author of the article, Nicolai Sennels actually is. I provided quite a bit of material on this topic which you can chose to challenge or NOT, but last I looked this thread
 

. (1)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 6:23 pm
If you want to discuss Apartheid, I already addressed it at The 9th Annual Israeli Apartheid Week 2013 Video and Actions on Saturday March 2, 2013, 12:22 pm.
 

Carol Dreeszen (366)
Wednesday March 6, 2013, 9:16 pm
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