Wednesday June 13, 2007, 5:27 pm
Good video

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 5:41 pm
I wish to warn parents of the possible dangers of medications for their young children. My brothers (3 of them) were drugged covertly in school without parental consent during the 70's and 80's in an illegal Government experiment called MKULTRA.

The neuroleptics that was given them altered their personalities completely. They was all normal kids. New York City Government cover-up those crimes and the papers refused to write about it. Another thing the Drugs do is lower life expectancy and cause all types of mental problems when they are given to normal kids.

If your kids already on the drugs, do not take them off right away because it may exacerbate their problems. You'll have to consult a specialist and gently work their way off the drugs and clear their body of all Drugs.

St. John Worth and other herbs has been known to be natural depressants with NO side effects. One of my brothers (Trevis) is dying because of all those drugs that were given to him. He's 42 years old and look like a 65 year old disfigured man and has 5 major organs failing in his body.

My name is Sheldon Johson and I'm a child Advocate, and love all the kids. I do not wish anyone to go thru the vast injustices that my family had experience.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 6:25 pm
Well, Sheldon-I hope a lot of parents get to see this. I will do my part to pass it on. There really is too much "labeling" going on in our schools. I had to fight constantly for my oldest son. He is still troubled today.
Bless you for sharing this!

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 7:21 pm
Good job Sheldon. Knowledge is key.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 7:29 pm
It was a very good video and I fully agree that there are a multitude of excellent alternatives to psychotropic meds. They tend to exacerbate problems and do NOT belong in a child's system! I wanted to clear up the MKULTRA topic. It wasn't used on children, nor was it used in the 70's-80's. The CIA did mind-control experiments, primarily using LSD in the 50's on aduts. We were in the midst of the Cold War and needed an edge. They destroyed their records on it in 1972.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 8:26 pm
I stand to be corrected Karen, by the 70's they change the name to MKSEARCH and Yes, they did give children as young as 7 years old LSD and a host of other drugs. MKSEARCH and MKULTRA are similar programs, they just keep on changing the name.

The problems still persist today because my mother and niece and brothers, as well as others are going thru identical problems like surviors of MKULTRA & MKSEARCH... who knows what they are calling their illegal program today.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 8:30 pm
And by the way Richard Helms, then director of CIA destroyed most of the records in 1973. However thru a Freedom of information request by John Marks the case went before the senate in 1977 where it was discovered that this Government committed some of the most atrocious crimes imaginable; of course those hearings was conducted with no media coverage but is a matter of public record today.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 9:02 pm
Thank you for this educational video Sheldon.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 9:25 pm
Noted.

Wednesday June 13, 2007, 10:14 pm
Drugging a whole generation of children and selling out to the pharmaceutical industry is the problem. It's all about the money: create consumers to whom drugs can be sold by medicalizing children's behaviours and diagnosing them as "disabled." Once a child is labeled, s/he is drugged and managed, but that's it. They're a consumer with money attached to their "disability," and that's all that counts. Long live cRapitalism.

Thanks for posting this, Sheldon, you've done the community a service by helping to distribute this warning. Good job!

Thursday June 14, 2007, 5:57 am
http://www.myspace.com/thetruthaboutpsychiatry

Thursday June 14, 2007, 6:06 am
http://www.pefs.us/index.php?search=thetruthaboutpsychiatry

Thursday June 14, 2007, 6:44 am
Thanks, Sheldon for posting this. It is so important to not label kids and make them victims of greed. Its all about big pharma and "cRapitalism" (good one Rooibos) Everyone should see the video. I think a lot of parents just follow doctors' orders, and are reluctant to disagree with them.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 9:48 am
Sheldon, your films are wonderfully done, however, you are doing more harm than good. More people have been helped by psychiatry than hurt. I'm very sorry your family was hurt, but not all psychiatrists are bad. I am one. You are using this forum to push your own personal agenda, without doing ALL the proper research needed.

Try researching recent break throughs in the treatment of Asperger's Syndrome. for one.

Peace.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 10:58 am
I don't presume to speak for Sheldon and his experiences, but I will say that the pharmaceutical industry HEAVILY pressures doctors of all disciplines who treat humans and animals to promote and administer their products. My fear, and that of many others here, too, is that children are being labeled with medical conditions so that they then can become immediate drug consumers. Behaviours which should and could be treated with counseling, improved by parenting skill and initiative, and a reduced through a crackdown on the reach of the advertising industry in general should be avenues to help the children. Don't medicalize children's behaviours so that they become drug consumers at early ages who schools use as cash cows to for grant money for each child that's formally labeled. I see a huge problem with this.

I also agree, Tru, that not all psychiatrists are "bad." That's absolutely correct. There are many who are excellent practicianers who've helped people in all walks of life.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 1:11 pm
Yes,the pharmacucetical industry is not the most honest, and the FDA is, sadly, a joke. I know first hand how many of the major drug companies operate, as I wasa clinical investigator for several, for two years, until I could not take the blatant corruption any longer. However, that being said, hundreds of thousands of human lives are saved every year, by the drugs produced by these corporations. Should we throw the baby away with the bath water? NO, we tshould try to work together to improve the system, but realize, nodrug will ever be without side effects, and no doctor can save everyone.

As for Sheldon, I respect him very much. However, it is not right to push forward your own personal agenda, by painting an entire profession with one brush. I have been on both sides of the mental health system, and without it, I might not be here. When he can produce real proof to back up his claims, not excerpts from Wikipedia, I will gladly listen and even help him.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 4:03 pm
First and foremost Tru, I said I'm attacking the Doctors who are operating in the dark. I have a duty to warn people of the harm that these drugs can do to their mental health and their bodies. Answer this question for me Tru, what happens to a kid when they are given neuroleptics when they are normal? Many kids today are being deliberately mis diagnosis with conditions and being put on drugs. It happen to my family and I do not wish it to happen to anyone else.

Also, may I asks, why no criminal charges was ever brought against doctors who committ these atrocities? And even more important, who is empowering them to do so? This type of practice could be used as a subtle form of Genocide and also use to gain control of a nation. Parents, beware you know the babies that you birth, don't let anyone tell your kids have a problem.

Get second & third opinions, seek natural therapy if you can. Know what persavatives are used in your kids immunization shots. There is a certain group of people in this country who wish us all to remain ignorant. I just don't want anybody family to go thru what my family experience. And being that you are a doctor Tru, can you please comment on the effects that these medication have on life expectancy?

Thursday June 14, 2007, 4:23 pm
Civil charges are brought against both good and bad doctors everyday. Why no criminal charges? Because NO crime was committed. Do we charge auto mechanics with a criminal offense, if they fix a car the wrong way, which is subsequently involved in an accident, in which either a fatality or severe injury occurs? No. I know that because it happened to me.

As for your remark about genocide? Genocide of who? If you review the professional literature, no one racial group receives medications more than any other. In fact, most studies try to separate the races, not for the reasons you might believe, but because we have found that different meds work differently in different populations.

I'm sorry your family has been hurt, but thousands of families have been healed. There is NO conspiracy to take over the nation, at least not by docs.Try trial lawyers or politicians.

As for the effect of any drug, or for that matter, environmental polllution on life expectancy...that is a question that is impossible to answer. Because of that, should we stop all research and return to the middle ages? Should we let people die because we don't know if the drug that could save them now, might have a unknown side effect? I'm sorry, but you believe medicine, in particular, psychiatry is no better than snake oil , and I personally take offense at that. I spent several years doing psychopharmacologic research, before going to med school, and I have spent years since studying. Doctors must show the state that they have a minimun number of hours of continuing medical education, to renew their licenses. Do other professions have that requirement? My state requires a minimum of 100 hours.

Sheldon, I respect that you believe that you are helping people. You would be better to tell parents not to let their children eat so much sugar and processed foods, make sure they receive enough sleep and limit their TV and video game time. It's time for parents to take responsibility for the behavior of their children. When a child is truly ill, then medical intervention is very necessary. As for second and third opinions, all patients should do that. I encourage it, always. No one is infallible.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 4:44 pm
I'm really am sorry you feel that way, but the activities by these doctors and the people in children services and the courts that was involved in my family case was CRIMINAL. It was a conspired effort by all of them together. I'm not going to get in a debate with you Tru, about what happen... enough information is on my page and I think anyone can see that there is something terribily wrong here.

So let me ask you this, is it to my understanding that there should be no news reports on doctors who violate there profession? Tru, you twisting everything around, and I'm only going to say this one more time. I'm only talking about the people who abuse this profession.

I really don't know if you have an angle here Tru, but my story speaks for itself. Life is about choices and people need to know the dangers in psychiatry. Not all doctors are good and you should aproach them with caution.

Thursday June 14, 2007, 4:55 pm
Sheldon, I'm very sorry for the trauma you and your family have obvioulsy gone through, and yes, Child Protective Services and our so called justice system, is broken. But you keep blamiing the doctors. Be honest.....it wasn't just doctors, was it? And you now have a lawyer, right? Well, I'd sooner go to a doctor, than see an attorney, but that's just my bias.

As for reports about doctors who knowingly break the law, yes, they are reported, tried and convicted. Many go to jail and all lose their licenses. I'm not twisting anything. When a crime is committed by anyone, doctors included, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, how can you call prescribing a medication to someone a crime, even if that person has a bad outcome? Doctors are trained and then rely upon journals, seminars and unfortunately, drug companies, for new information. Why don't you research the criminal action of many of our drug companies????

You are correct Sheldon, all doctors are not good, but you can say that about every profession, including the clergy, can't you? I'm not the one with an angle, as I have been completely honest. Can you look into your heart and say the same?

Thursday June 14, 2007, 9:11 pm
nature is a good replacement of drugs,marajuana should be legalized

Friday June 15, 2007, 3:40 am
sheldon is right. i know. i was one of those children. thank you sheldon!

Friday June 15, 2007, 5:03 am
No Tru, your lack of the criminal process for doctors and big pharma is obvious, you need to have a forturne for suing for malpractice and the government supports hiding and protecting the doctors here. Most don't have a chance neither do they were you live. As for medications, of course some are needed, just like vaccines, we want' accountability from big pharma and doctors and our politiicans, so the truth and the dangers do get out and people can excercise their rights without have to have a fortune.

Friday June 15, 2007, 5:05 am
And check your and our crimnal codes all you want, if you are a doctor, or big pharma, big tobacco, they don't apply much at all do they.

Friday June 15, 2007, 6:20 am
That was a good video. It's very true about what it was saying .

Friday June 15, 2007, 10:49 am
the same people that sheldon speak of forced me on meds during a due process fight with court order. the case was luna vs. dobson ny court of appeals dec. 13th 2001. they forced me on all kinds of meds until i had a stroke! its still happening in ny.

Friday June 15, 2007, 2:43 pm
Thanks Sheldon,I must say that you have did a good job getting this video posted. Thanks for warning people about these drug medications. Paxil & Mellaril put my love one thru over 20 shock treatments and medcation changes to get his mind and body back to normal over several years. Think about what these drugs can do for a younger person.Always have some one to be close to watch how you react to these and other medications.Not everyones mind and body react the same to the same kinds of medicines.

Friday June 15, 2007, 3:28 pm
When one's identify is entangled in a societal persona such as a professional label, then each one feels the need to protect self by protecting the collective societal persona, which is why individual harms cannot be targeted and corrected. The persona stands firmly in place, which there is damage all around to all the individuals within it, for or against. Abuse, harm, torture, greed is never excusable, under any conditions and certainly under no sanitizing justifications.

Friday June 15, 2007, 5:56 pm
Tru I sincerely doubt that you are a psychiatrist. You are clever but I know better and you are not a professional. That is quite obvious and all of your comments are completely unrelated to Sheldon's case.

If you were a professional would have mastered the skills of "active listening" and not brushed aside what Sheldon has shared here. You have missed the point entirely...as usual. Your assessment skills are amateur at best. A good try at impersonation...but not good enough.

Now Sheldon, can I ask you something about this experiment ?

MK-ULTRA.

If anyone on this thread has not read about MKULTRA, please do as it changes everything.

So far this discussion has strayed from the original context and to understand what had occurred we have to be fully engaged in examining this from the appropriate contextual perspective.

"The neuroleptics that was given them altered their personalities completely. They was all normal kids. New York City Government cover-up those crimes and the papers refused to write about it. Another thing the Drugs do is lower life expectancy and cause all types of mental problems when they are given to normal kids."~from Sheldon

Many thousands of individuals were unwilling participants of these mind altering and brainwashing experiments and I have not heard of a single case where they did not suffer horribly for the remainder of their lives. Neither have I heard of one victory in challenging the perpetrators.

This was one of the most diablical experiments done on US citizens and sadly few actually know about it.
No medical professional with integrity would have ever approved of such a violation of human rights. None today could honestly state that what happened was anything but a horrific crime against humanity and a violation of the Convention of the Rights Of The Child (which the USA refuses to sign...and I wonder why !)

This is NOT an ordinary psychiatric case where we are medicating children who are ill. This is emotional rape and psychological torture and it is utterly abhorent.

Sheldon I don't know how you are trying to fight this but I have to ask. The reason is that authorization for this experiment came from the highest levels of government.

Can you share more about what has transpired to date and the channels you have used thus far in your attempt to obtain justice ?

Kalima

Friday June 15, 2007, 6:06 pm
This link from WIKI will provide the simplest overview of this project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

Please take a look. This is what Sheldon is trying to tell you.

Friday June 15, 2007, 8:38 pm
The labeling of young people as learning disabled or emotionally unstable has become a national tragedy. The government provides matching funds on children that are so labeled by quasi mental health workers, so it is financially beneficial to a school system to stamp "reject" on a child's forehead and get them addicted to drugs that will lower their I.Q.s, cause brain damage, and possibly cause them to commit acts of violence against themselves and others. The chemical approach can be so dangerous. Talk therapy can also do more harm than good. There was a recent study on grief talk therapy in which one third were in much worse shape after undergoing so called therapy instead of healing on their own. Psychiatry is a new "science" and I think many times unstable sick and perverted people are attracted to the profession. The tools are powerful drugs, hypnosis, regression to uncover hidden memories that didn't exist before the therapist planted them, scream therapy, etc. The video warned against allowing children to be sucked into the mental health system, from which escape is almost impossible. This was a good, scary video with sound advice--stay away from the shrinks and fight against having your child labeled. A healthy environment and healthy diet and prayer to God are the best way to deal with mental health issues, in my opinion.

Friday June 15, 2007, 8:57 pm
INTERESTING HOW THE ABOVE POSTERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH PSYCHIATRISTS?

WHAT DOES THAT TELL US CLASS?

YES, THAT'S RIGHT, THEY ARE MENTAL PATIENTS.

Friday June 15, 2007, 9:19 pm
Anchorage, AK, USA
Karll Rove (0)
~another troll from Alaska !

Is there poison in the water ?

Friday June 15, 2007, 9:35 pm
NOTED & PASS ON TO ALL MY FRIENDS & FAMILY. THANKS SHELDON FOR THIS INFO.GOD BLESS YOU & YOUR FAMILY. KEEP FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU BELIVE IN.

Tuesday June 19, 2007, 10:48 pm
well done and needs to be watched everyday !
I am hearing the pyscoligists now ~ social?
what?
effects? yes!
I was on meds once after my attempt to take my own life twice...
for 5 yrs I stayed on them.....
I am gaining some of those yrs back....
some I have no MEMORY OF !
5 yrs ! worth.....
gone !
caput !
5 more yrs later...drug FREE!
I can remember yesterday !
the 5 yrs?????
some...maybe????
although I worked.....and was suppose to NORMAL
and functional......
I think not !
just my comment dear...and a real bad topic for me !
Thanks again for the post : )
Peachy

Wednesday June 20, 2007, 2:05 pm
Thanks for sharing more excellent info for all of us parents out there Sheldon!!! My son is 22 now, and thankfully, was never put on any of those drugs, I wouldn't have allowed it anyway, after having been married to a 'psychologist', that warned of the dangers associated with these drugs...many of my son's friends, were put on 'ritalin' or other such drugs...and it did seem to affect their personalities quite a bit...isn't it strange that all of us who are older didn't seem to suffer from ADD, etc...???

Thursday June 21, 2007, 9:17 am
Thank you for sharing Sheldon .
This is a topic that I am really passionate about !

My son was labeled as having a learning disability when he was young and they wanted to put him on Ritalin for hyperactivity ,,I refused and so should all parents.
My son is now a grown man living a rich productive life and his so called hyper-activity is nothing more than a high energy level. Yes he did have a learning problem but if the schools used other methods to teach these kids they could learn like anyone else because it isn't a lack of intelligence that is the problem the problem is that they just learn in a different way than others and if you don't stimulate their minds they get bored .

I am a retired nurse and nobody can tell me that all doctors know and understand the side effects of the drugs they prescribe ,,its just not true . How many times have nurses refused to administer certain drugs to patients and had to bring to the doctors attention why this drug was not good for this patient.

Too many people think that just because a doctor perscribes a drug it must be good for them and that is not so .
Most people who are given drugs whether they be psychotropic or for some condition the doctor tells them they have could do well with other methods to alleviate their problem that doesn't carry the severe side effects as these drugs do .
People are becoming too lazy to search out natural methods to their problems to them its easier to take a pill than to take a walk or change their diet ,reduce their salt intake etc. but what they don't realize is that these meds,' long term," can cause liver and kidney damage and in the case of Ritalin brain damage.
People with depression could take long walks which would produce the feel good brain chemical endorphins plus vitimin D from sunshine also helps to relieve depression as does light therapy.Its not a coinsidence that people are more depressed in the winter ,,that is because there is less hours of sunlight which is the best source of vitimin D.
There are so many ways to deal with all kinds of heath problems other than dangerous drugs !

Watch your next commercial on TV promoting a new drug ,,Listen how when they tell you what the side effects might be they say it in a low sweet monitone voice ,,thats not a coinsidence its done on purpose because they know if they use a none threatening low sweet voice with little inflection that most people will not be alarmed by the side effects ,,and may I add ,,some of these side effects are worse than the illness you are taking it for ! If you don't believe me just listen next time to these ads !
We need to take responsibility of our own health care and that of our family instead of trusting a doctor to do whats best for us .There are some very good doctors out there who will recommend other natural treatments before they turn to a med with serious side effects you just have to look around .

One other thing that really bothers me is the methidone clinics who promote legalized addiction .
I have personal knowledge that these clinics don't promote recovery from addiction like AA does for alcoholics . They dole out the methidone to patients who might be on several other medications that they have had perscribed from some scrupulous psychiatrist whose making a fortune on the misery of these people and so these patients never do recover they just continue to go every day to get their legal fix of the opiate methadone ,,they have no real life chained to that daily fix and some of them have been on methdone for as long as ten years or more,, their never weaned off .
These clinics should be closed ,,their not preventing HIV as they claim they are that is all BS that they feed the public.Their ruining lives that could better be helped in a real NON-PROFIT recovery program that doesn't include giving them drugs ,,switching one addiction for another !

I do happen to know one psychologist in my area who changed his traditional form of therapy to one that works with the spiritual nature of humans and he is making a real difference in peoples lives for the better !

Sunday July 22, 2007, 2:58 am
It just hurts me at what they are doing to the young and how lives are being taken or ruined because of greed or ego. There are many more practical and less harmful solutions available.