Sunday July 12, 2009, 4:32 pm
I think the same holds true for the American citizenry...we really do not want any more war, be it in Iraq, Afghanistan, or "Timbucktoo" (spelling?).

Sunday July 12, 2009, 7:22 pm
We each have our reasons for wanting change in Afghanistan. It depends on what your hot button is. For me it is the indignities to women occurring there that make my heart race and my blood boil. Video of women being publicly flogged doesn't do anything to calm my anger over this kind of injustice. I would like to see the war stop and our military heroes returned home, but I have yet to hear any suitable alternative plans. I would hate to think that our nations would turn their backs on these women who suffer so much, especially since our intervention has in my view created an obligation to Afghanistan to help them establish a suitable government, and military that can stand on its own.

Sunday July 12, 2009, 10:06 pm
It is a little known historical fact, as to why we are at war against Afghanistan, too bad we were not taught history!!! Hitler stated that who ever controlled Afghanistan, would control the world, because of their untapped natural resources!!! When Hitler and Germany fell, all of their technology...was split up between the allies, and we have been carrying out Hitlers plans every since, and that was why Russia ware, at war against Afghanistan, not knowing or caring about the historic curse that every nation in all of history that has invaded Afghanistan, has fallen and crumbled to the ground, and the U.S. will not be an exception of this rule!!!

Sunday July 12, 2009, 11:14 pm
I agree 100% with what Chief has said.
That's a brilliant comment, my friend.
There was a group of State Dept.officials
and Big Oil execs who met with the Taliban
in 1998, I believe it was. They were trying
to get the Taliban to approve the construction
of an oil pipeline running from the Caspian Sea
through Afghanistan. When the Taliban resisted,
they were told, "We will give you a carpet of
gold, or we will bury you under a carpet of bombs."
Three years later.....9/11, which WAS an inside job,
a classic "false-flag" operation which was blamed on
"terrorists" trained in Afghanistan. You don't have
to be Sherlock Holmes to understand what's gone on
here. Of course, the U.S./Israeli officials who planned
and carried out 9/11 surely did not expect the invasion
and occupation of Afghanistan to become the hairball that
it has, but they should have. NO ONE in the last 1,000
years has EVER defeated the Afghanis at war. It was a
fool's errand from the start, and the best thing for
the U.S. & U.K. to do is admit defeat and leave the
region before more innocents are killed.
Thanks, Eleanor.
noted.

Sunday July 12, 2009, 11:47 pm
Please read the "LEFT BEHIEND" series, it is the laid out plans of the globalists, to put their new world headquarters at the site of the tower of Babel, to in fact rebuild it!!! Is that not what Saddam Husein was doing, and now it is a U.S. embassy??? All science fiction is, is the worse case scenario of their plan, breaking you to it's possibility!!! Religious type prophetic books, are actually plans, that are force feed us to the point that we play along, believing it to be gods will!!! Please read America in prophecy also, it laid out the plan that is in effect now!!! Please read ISIAH 14:12-14, and think about the universal space station, it's all part of someones plan, and it is happening right under our noses, with our blessing!!! God must have put it in our heads to give our nations to the Beast, because we sure did, but even Satan does gods will, it's all part of the plan!!!

Sunday July 12, 2009, 11:51 pm
Right on Chief! It is exactly that. These democratic countries we are trying to make is total BS and nothing of the sort. War is for resources and resources only!
The Elite will not stop until every last country and ocean has been drained of it's wealth of oil, drugs, metals and minerals and will bring each and every citizen on this planet under their thumb. One world government.

Monday July 13, 2009, 12:03 am
The history of most of England's war have been over "TRADE ROUTES", CONQUEST, IMPERIALISM in general!!!
England, which was the last out post for the Roman Empire, has become the capitol of Rome revisited, with America as it's little horn!!!

Monday July 13, 2009, 12:25 am
I think I know what this war is about Eleanor...It is about greedy people who mistakenly think they can rule the planet and take what they can from 'the enemy' ...A pipe dream to be avoided at all costs?...It is a crime and those proven guilty should be tied up and made to face the poverty stricken among us and plead for mercy...Of cource that won't happen, but it should!

Monday July 13, 2009, 4:02 am
Y'all said things so well that I have nothing to add! Thanks Eleanor and everyone!

Monday July 13, 2009, 4:39 am
Ditto. Thanks for the brilliant comments, my friends. I think we all know what it's about but the trouble is most people don't - they aren't exactly told, are they? Even this article will reach only a tiny minority of the population of Scotland. The fact that it is meaningless to most people and the growing number of casualties among soldiers may help speed up the withdrawal. And the UK simply cna't afford to rule the world any more - I thought they had accepted that a long time ago. While they spend billions on their wars and invasions and bailing out bankers ordinary people are losing their jobs and homes and having public services cut. It can't go on. I share concern of course for Afghani women but this invasion isn't the answer - it's not what it's about anyway.

Monday July 13, 2009, 4:57 am
Eleanor, You are right the article and the rest of the data will only reach a few but we can still win. The NWO are all on the boards of every mental health organization worldwide. They hide behind Psychiatry who got their fame from Natzi Germany in the prisoner of war camps performing experiments on the victims. Those same experiments are still being done today under their now legal guise. I believe we all know on this board that Hitler was funded by the Queen, Rockefeller and the Bush family so it should not be of any great surprise they have helped them gain a professional stance throughout the world. By Psychiatry's own admittance they will decide what is right and what is wrong and infiltrate the education system, the medical system, the Judicial system and the Church. If one was to look they would find they have in fact done so to a far greater length than one could imagine. If one was to look further they would find an abundance of horrendous crimes against humanity which can easily be proven just in broad daylight in far greater numbers than we could even imagine. If one was to realize that just by exposing these crimes there would be a major change in the masses thinking and the NWO would have no where else to hide. Their own crimes would be exposed to a far greater extent as the masses would no longer be indentured servants of the anti psychotics and tortures that keep them subdued into zombiefication while they do their dirty work but the 300 billion dollar big Pharma industry would also be exposed.

Monday July 13, 2009, 5:19 am
"Hitler was funded by the Queen," ?

Monday July 13, 2009, 6:52 am
162% for the title Eleanor...What is that thing called war?

Monday July 13, 2009, 7:44 am
Sue, you are so right, the medical profession is DR. Frankenstein, and they practice on us, their Guinna pigs!!! Please read the book psychic warrior, it is a story about the guy that blew the whistle on the abuse of their government program, he was thrown into a nut house, with no due process, and almost mentally murdered!!! The government has used the same tactics on me, and gave me a drug induced psychosis, with Haldol shots, and got me to drop my appeal using scopolamine...Hitler would be proud!!!

Monday July 13, 2009, 9:04 am
This war is about oil pipelines stretching across this poor land from central Asia to the Arabian Sea. It is another war for oil.

Monday July 13, 2009, 11:14 am
Hi Karen,
you wrote:

"We each have our reasons for wanting change in Afghanistan. It depends on what your hot button is. For me it is the indignities to women occurring there that make my heart race and my blood boil. Video of women being publicly flogged doesn't do anything to calm my anger over this kind of injustice. I would like to see the war stop and our military heroes returned home, but I have yet to hear any suitable alternative plans. I would hate to think that our nations would turn their backs on these women who suffer so much, especially since our intervention has in my view created an obligation to Afghanistan to help them establish a suitable government, and military that can stand on its own."

I recommend that you learn the truth about Afghanistan, rather than simply believe the capitalist media's propaganda.

E.g. please read what the WOMEN OF AFGHANISTAN say, and what they want, contrary to the U.S. "white man's burden" pro-occupation propaganda:

http://www.rawa.org

And please read this article, which exposes the truth about Afghanistan in summary : ) -

http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1097035

Monday July 13, 2009, 11:44 am
What "heroes" are you talking about, Karen? The U.S. and other first world imperialist militaries that are killing huge numbers of civilians, to terrorise them into submission to the goals of U.S. multinational corporations, and so on? Where is the heroism in that?

The U.S.-led occupation supports one group of misogynist fundamentalists (the Northern Alliance warlord government), against another group of fundamentalists (the Taliban), killing huge numbers of civilians. The USA was the one that created the Northern Alliance and Taliban in the first place, arming and training rich landlords and fundamentalist mullahs, to use guerrilla warfare and terrorism (e.g. attacking schools that were educating girls) to end Afghanistan's progressive government in the 1970s (which was redistributing land from rich landlords to poor people, as well as making other progressive reforms), and to counter the leftwing movement in Pakistan, as is explained in that article:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1097035

As Afghanistan's oldest women's rights organisation, R.A.W.A., reminds us, the Northern Alliance is as abusive to women's rights and other human rights as the Taliban is! The U.S.-led imperialist militaries are not there as a "solution" for democracy and other human rights. They are there so that the USA can control a transit route for Central Asian oil. And like the war in Vietnam (and the wars in Central America, Colombia, Turkey and Iraq), which killed millions of civilians, the only way to wage an imperialist war like those wars is to use violence to terrorise the population into submission. Thus we see the huge civilian death toll in Afghanistan, and of course that drives people to join the Taliban, against the brutal U.S.-led occupation.

The U.S.-led war is no solution at all. It is simply supporting one group of oppressors, and driving people to join another group of oppressors.

The people of Afghanistan have a REAL plan, which you can read and hear about from people like the women of R.A.W.A., the progressive activists of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the few progressive Afghan politicians, such as Malalai Joya (a woman, if it matters to you). Their plan is to get the U.S.-led occupation forces to leave, so that they stop killing civilians, and so that they stop supporting the Northern Alliance warlords,and so that they stop driving people to join the Taliban in response to the U.S.-led killing of civilians. And then the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan can much more easily overthrow the fundmentalists.

That is what the progressive and politically conscious people of Afghanistan and Pakistan say they want. Please listen to them, instead of listening to the first world's capitalist politicians and first world capitalist media, with their imperialist corporate agenda.

The only heroes I see in Afghanistan and Pakistan are the progressive Afghan and Pakistani people, such as Malalai Joya and the women of R.A.W.A. of Afghanistan, and the labour movement of Pakistan!

Monday July 13, 2009, 12:53 pm
sue, I don't despair. One day we will win but I just don't think I am going to live to see it. My first demos were about the Vietnam War and I am still proud of Harold Wilson who would not allow this country to take part in it despite massive pressure from the US - unlike the craven Blair who has taken us to Afghanistan and Iraq against the wishes of the people and the craven Brown now, another US puppet. Simon, thanks for your posts. People don't see the brutality now because of censorship - a big part of the reason the US had to withdraw from Vietnam was the reaction of decent American people to the broadcasts on TV. You don't see the suffering of the Afghanis or the Iraqis, do you? You don't even know and you are not supposed to care how many people in these countries are killed. And these drones are horrific. How can anyone think that anyone who sends drones to kill people is in any way human - in my mind you would have to be psychopathic to order that or think it was ok.

Monday July 13, 2009, 3:00 pm
I agree with everything Eleanor B. wrote.
Shirley H.

Monday July 13, 2009, 4:14 pm
One day we will win Eleanor?...Well this is Iraq not Afghanistan but just how much death and destruction is justifiable in the search for the one and only Osama Bin Laden?...Two million people can't be wrong?

Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "1,331,578"
www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq 4,322
icasualties.org/oif/

The War in Iraq Costs
$686,764,475,048 (So far, is that not enough in a failing economy?)

Who will win Eleanor, the people or the bomb?...Is war not the most hideous and unintelligent absurdity of our times?

Monday July 13, 2009, 7:46 pm
we would not be in afghanastan if al-queda was not training and working with the taliban to target american civilians...they started this war and for your information we are not fighting the common afghani but the taliban who are being defeated in pakistan as well as afganastan..that is the difference most afghanis dont want the U.S there but they want the taliban even less ...look what the taliban are doing in pakistan,poisoning girls at their schools,spraying acid in girls faces, etc.. etc..they want to impose strict islamic law as well..they dont want women to get an education etc ..etc.....so working with the afghani people to defeat the taliban will be easier than you think because how many girls do you know who like being sprayed in the face with acid?? not to many...

Monday July 13, 2009, 7:51 pm
Joe Jones, well said.

Monday July 13, 2009, 7:53 pm
sometimes people cant see the forest through the trees

Monday July 13, 2009, 8:57 pm
I totally agree with everyone here.We should never went to Afghanistan to start with.If my aging memory serves me,the Soviets went there and they failed,so how can we expect to win this when they didn't?

Monday July 13, 2009, 10:48 pm
For some reason, I have strong desire to re-watch "Lawrence of Arabia"--or at the very least, "Syriana" [?]
Thank you, ALL! and especially YOU, Eleanor. xo

Tuesday July 14, 2009, 12:02 am
Strangely enough, the profileles troll Joe Jones,...The women of Afghanistan would rather have America leave their country than hang around killing their kids...The burka is not a problem, the US is!...Maybe education will give them equal rights but in the meantime YANKEE GO HOME! and leave the women alone...It is their country and the life they are currently happy with, it's the only life they understand!

Tuesday July 14, 2009, 1:54 am
David - Sue was talking about the people winning - not about the war. How can you possibly think I want to win wars??? You have astonished me!! I think I have made myself clear on many occasions about how I feel about invasions and wars.

Tuesday July 14, 2009, 1:59 am
'Eleanor, You are right the article and the rest of the data will only reach a few but we can still win.' This is what I responded to. I am just spelling it out in case you miss my point again, David.
Frances, you are spot on. And Janet, thanks. And thanks to everyone for all the super comments above. I choose to ignore nonsensical comments - they stick out like sore thumbs.

Friday August 7, 2009, 8:11 pm
Thank you my darling Eleanor!