Thursday October 29, 2009, 9:52 pm
China also out performs the US in pollution.

Thursday October 29, 2009, 10:35 pm
THANK YOU AND NOTED KATIE, HUGGLES TERESA

Thursday October 29, 2009, 11:39 pm
This does not surpise me. We seem to be behind on allot of things here in America lately.

Friday October 30, 2009, 1:38 am
Thannxxx.. good news is beginning to come out of this country.. lets hope their animals rights to will out perform to

Friday October 30, 2009, 8:46 am
Of course I spotted the horses first, I'm Glad to see THEY know how to blend their wildlife and progress. America's DOI could take lessons right now. Just goes to show there are more alternatives than stripping wildlife for the sake of progress in energy.

Friday October 30, 2009, 8:51 am
Im not sure about this have you seen the rivers in china???? They are dumping factory waste into them. Yes Ralph I agree with ya...

Big gorilly Hugs

Friday October 30, 2009, 10:25 am
Nice to see them catching up, aren't they about to flood another area with a hydroelectric dam?

Friday October 30, 2009, 12:38 pm
we dump factory waste and effluent here in North America we just filter nicer...so that the average person doesn't know they're swimming in toxic soup...

Friday October 30, 2009, 12:47 pm
China has three or four times America's population. That's the only reason it would be emitting more pollution.

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:02 pm
Chinese - Katie M. who blogged this should get her facts right and not blindly copy such ambiguous reporting.
Shame on those who just accepted this as fact without research.
Look at the facts - The original reporter was Jim Giles stating the 20% reduction in energy intensity (a misleading comparison). More pie in the sky - China promises to generate 15% of it's electricity by 2020.
Will have 150 gigawatts of Wind Power installed by end of decade - 1 in 10 Chinese have Solar heating now.
This goes on and on and makes me want to puke. Just do the maths people - Yes we need to get off our butts but please don't underestimate Americans for pie in the sky promises we know they can't and won't keep.

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:14 pm
Now hold onto yore drawers there a second Ralphie Boy, ya can't just blurt out that China pollutes more than the US.

If you deal with particulate matter and we'll use [(PM10), which is pollutant particulates less than 10 micrometers for the smaller the matter the more harmful biologically it is], China is not necessarily polluting more than the US...America is still ahead. In sulfates China is more concentrated in urban areas, but overall the US is worse and as far as nitrogen dioxide, the US is worse.

I could use other pollutants, but no time here, but yes China is catching up to America, while even on our northern Pacific coastline, China derived dust and heavy metallic pollutants arrive on our shores.

China today, is a major polluter, no doubt, but normally a nation industrializes first, then considers anti-pollutant behaviors after the fact. At least China is becoming serious to combating pollution while they are industrializing and I would think that anyone would want to commend them on that part.

In America, if we had done that, we would be well ahead of the curve in green technologies, but as it stands today, we still have politicians in the likes of the James Imhofes that continue to fight change preferring a lazy attitude in allowing smokestacks to continually belch out their environmental and biological toxins over investments of green technologies.

After reviewing this article, good for China, they deserve credit...

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:39 pm
Hats off to China! They understand the nature of THE SOUL better in the East, therefore understanding the interdependence and inter relatedness of the planet more.
It is a relief to see ALL countries begginning to CO-operate in OUR global MOVE towards sustainability. I AM in gratitude .......:):):)

And i thank the lovely Katie for posting.....:)

Friday October 30, 2009, 2:57 pm
Good point, Katie. How many groups of wind turbines are there operating here in the US vis-a-vis China? And, you, Ralph, also have a good point. China's rivers are badly polluted from factory wastes. However, Ralph did not mention the fact that US rivers are in just as bad a shape as China's, if not worse; not onlly from factory waste, but also from agricultural waste. How about the wreck of the waters around Kingston, TN, caused by a massive coal ash and rainwater flood last December?

Even in the sphere of clean, renewable energy technology, the US is falling behind. This nation is fast becoming a failed state - failing to repair its aging infrastructure and meet the citizenry's human needs, as well as handle climate change. This "failed state" designation came during the previous 8 years, in which the Bush/Cheney Regime waged two aggressive wars, and abandoned actions on climate change, wilderness protection, clean/renewable energy technology, and human needs.

Europe is so far ahead in the factors mentioned above, that the US is ever getting closer to either a Third World nation, or a failed state - in European eyes. Also, a failed state is one that cannot control the fringe element; in this case, the far right, which opposes climate change action.

Friday October 30, 2009, 7:00 pm
Noted , thanks !!

Friday October 30, 2009, 7:23 pm
Over time, the US has created more pollution than China. The US has been industrialized for much longer. Per capita, the US creates more pollution than China, eg, in the US 19.66 metric tonnes of CO2 is emitted per person per year, while its 3.7 metric tonnes per person per year in China.

Overall, China now emits more CO2 (21.5% for 19.6% of the world's population) than the US per year (20.2% for 4.5% of the world's population), but not by much and only recently.

At least China is trying to do something about solar and wind energy, realizing that otherwise its people (and other people) and its economy in the long run will suffer.

(http://www.breathingearth.net/)

Friday October 30, 2009, 8:25 pm
The stats are actually worse than that. Per person per year consumption of Natural Gas: US 2,000,000 L vs. China 29,00 L; Petrolium: US 4,000 L, china 300 L; Coal: US 3,420 Kg, China 1,430 Kg; and the percentage of world carbon emissions per capita per year US 15+%, China less than 1%; America is the resource consumption hog at the trough and the Mastadon deficater of carbon emissions. And as for China leading the US in Green tech, every industrial nation, actually any nation with technology above rubbing two sticks together, is ahead of the US and the US will remain at the back of the pack, as I have said before, until the current Energy production and disribution Cartels in the US have control of the technology and can insure their control of the US energy market and their continued profiteering from Americas addiction to energy over consumption.

Friday October 30, 2009, 9:39 pm
This is all good and great. But killing off the animals can't compensate for being better in the Green area... This should say it all...

Saturday October 31, 2009, 3:31 am
Chaz Gaily Berlusconi wrote:

"Thannxxx.. good news is beginning to come out of this country.. lets hope their animals rights to will out perform to"

Nooo. This is OLD NEWS. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that China has been more environmentally friendly on a per capita basis, than the USA every single year since the USA was founded.

And I read about China's lead in environmentally-friendly economics 4 years ago, and I didn't even need to search the non-capitalist media to find this. I read it in the capitalist media's TIME MAGAZINE, for goodness' sakes!!!

Pay attention people, PLEASE!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 3:33 am
Anyone in any country where animals are exploited and/or killed for food, dairy products, leather, etc., has no integrity or moral standing from which to criticise China for exploiting and killing animals.

And if you are not vegetarian or don't vote Green, then you are a total hypocrit when you criticise China for animal rights!!!

Saturday October 31, 2009, 3:48 am
Interesting thread but why hasn't human rights come up? China's record on human rights is improving, at times, but the execution of 3 Tibetan Monks continues a long history of governmental control that surpasses anythiing in the US.

Saturday October 31, 2009, 9:23 am
China with 1.4 billion population and still growing has 1 in 10 using solar power heating ??????
How stupid are you to think this is a fact and claims of less pollution when they are building pollution emitted coal burning power stations by the dozen.
China is now the most industrialized nation thanks to all American and European imports of their cheap inferior crap goods - much made by exploited child labor force.
Chinese are the poorest paid - the high profits go to the corrupted government and the privileged few.
The soil on their land is depleted of nutritional values due to continuous use over time by over population.
China can no longer sustain their human pollution and are spreading to the African Continent.
Beware of the yellow peril.

Saturday October 31, 2009, 6:13 pm
Noted , Shared
Thankyou

Thursday November 5, 2009, 2:05 am
That's great news! Thank you, Katie!