Monday November 2, 2009, 8:31 pm


Thnx Katie hun!!!

Monday November 2, 2009, 8:43 pm
Okay, so we eliminate most or all of the livestock in the world, which would effectively reduce the human population which is already experiencing a food shortage and by doing this we also reduce the methane being produced by people. Maybe warmers will volunteer to starve to death so the rest of the world can live.

Monday November 2, 2009, 9:44 pm
You Know I just do not believe that killing a cow is the answer to getting rid of global warming.Or to have them go dry in the pastures.There has to be an an answer.Thanks

Monday November 2, 2009, 11:41 pm
Ralph - your statements are based on silly assumptions as usual - we could actually feed more people if they ate plant materials drirectly - corn, soy, other grains ... than by being "ineffeciently" eating cattle. You assume that we will all die if we don't eat meat - which obviously is WRONG...and the rest of your statement is simply silly retoric (from a steadfast denialist)...

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 5:17 am
Ralph you can feed more people with grains and vegetables then meat.I am not a vegetarian but I reduced my intake of animal protein and have not lost weight.less is more, you can feed a family very well, with the occational meat in small amounts as it used to be in less fat times.it is a different way of thinking. Meat should not be the main part of dinner, perhaps a small portion at times. It is a different way of thinking one that is heatlthy for you, for yor family and the rest of the world. The medication that goes into cattle is out of this world.

In the US meat consumption is up there and it does not do us any good, right the opposite.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 5:53 am
You cannot currently send a star to Chris because you have done so within the last week! I would also like to add that according to Karen Davis PHD of united Poultry Concerns this study may not have included all the eggs and cheese that are produced from chickens and cows that goes into many, many vegetarian products as well as processed foods. If this is so the statistics would be far worse. READ THE INGREDIENTS in all food you buy! Become an educated consumer! Thank you Katie

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 6:41 am
Thannxxxx... we all have to make an effort and reduce our consumption of red meat.. it is man's excess again that is the direct cause of global warming... we cannot keep blaming the cows.. when we are just breeding tooooooooo many...

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 8:43 am
if you like to consume meat, fight for good treatment of cows ,organic feed and humane ways to raise them. One good piece of meat rather then a huge piece of cow that is full of antibiotics and growth hormones, your heart will thank you

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 9:21 am
Chris, lighten up. Can't you see sarcastic humor? What is silly is the wholesale slaughter of millions of animals to reduce a gas that is too small to have much effect on climate. Oh, I realize that warmers believe one grain of sand on a beach makes a huge difference and that comparison is concerning CO2 not methane which is many times smaller than CO2 content in the atmosphere.

Just because warmers advocate going vegetarian doesn't mean that is going to happen. There are far too many meat eaters in the world to eliminate meat from our diet whether it would be good for us or not. Grain production is not nor will it be enough to feed the world. A lot of the land used to raise beef is unsuitable for growing crops and would take huge amounts of fertilizers to make it suitable which means you are trading one form of pollution for another. There are areas in the world that it takes up to 20 acres to support one cow. If you can't grow grass how do you expect to grow grain crops?

Did you notice the picture with this article? Those are dairy cows. So should we also give up milk, cheese, and ice cream? I don't think so.

The real point is this article itself is silly and anyone who takes this kind of stuff seriously isn't living in the real world.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 9:30 am
sarcastic: definitely
clever: sort of
misinformed: totally

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 9:42 am
It always amazes me when people play smart when they haven't examined and issue or done some research before opening their mouths (or typing in this instance) and sharing nonsense with the world. UN's report that came before the one mentioned in the above news story showed scientific data that our habit of meat consumption is a nasty one when it comes to environmental impact. The earth cannot sustain our meat consumption.

I like that saying I found somewhere : "A vegan driving a Hammer will produce less CO2 than a meat-eater that rides his/her bike EVERYWHERE".

Enough with the well-intentional thinking. We need actions before it's too late for us and our children.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 9:51 am
call me a "warmer", but this report sounds like just another nail in our collective coffin...
when we clear the air, we have to worry about the global brightening...
when the seas warm, we have to worry about the frozen CO2 reserves at the bottom of the ocean...
when the currents change, we have to worry about seriously severe weather changes...
when globalization progresses, we have to worry about exponential increases in consumption of everything, including meat...
& on & on & on...
like REM says, "it's the end of the world as we know it, & i feel fine"
& there's no better time than right now to quote jim morrison...
"i tell you this man, i tell you this, i don't know what's gonna happen man, but i wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames... alright, alright!"

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 9:53 am
*correction; I meant Hummer*

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 11:28 am
The ploy used here is like the old shell game....where's the pea? Noe it is under the shell called methane since CO2 has been proven not to change temperature by any amount worth considering. Al Gore is trying to shift the emphasis from science...now that the fakery has been exposed, to a spiritual question.

Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth sequel program recruits world religions for holy war on changing climate

“I’ve done a Christian [-based] training program; I have a Muslim training program and a Jewish training program coming up, also a Hindu program coming up. I trained 200 Christian ministers and lay leaders here in Nashville in a version of the slide show that is filled with scriptural references. It’s probably my favourite version, but I don’t use it very often because it can come off as proselytising.”

Nobel winner adapts fact-based message to reach those who believe they have a moral duty to protect the planet in "Our Choice: A Plan to Solve the Climate Crisis"
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 11:30 am
"What is silly is the wholesale slaughter of millions of animals to reduce a gas that is too small to have much effect on climate."

Cows and other animals are ALREADY being slaughtered for their meat, but we CAN stop breeding them so much!

"The real point is this article itself is silly and anyone who takes this kind of stuff seriously isn't living in the real world."

A few years ago, I would have said the same thing, but having gotten to know some actual vegans, I now know better. They DO live in the real world!

"Just because warmers advocate going vegetarian doesn't mean that is going to happen. There are far too many meat eaters in the world to eliminate meat from our diet whether it would be good for us or not."

You never know what might change about us in 1000 years. Maybe by then, most of us will be vegetarian.

"Grain production is not nor will it be enough to feed the world. A lot of the land used to raise beef is unsuitable for growing crops and would take huge amounts of fertilizers to make it suitable which means you are trading one form of pollution for another."

Exactly. We need to reduce human population via more advanced forms of contraception and education of people on how to use them.

Finally, forests have been slashed and burned in the tropics to make ranches to raise cattle. That releases CO2 into the atmosphere, in addition to the gases cattle make directly. The land being used for ranching needs to be restored to its natural state.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 11:36 am
"The ploy used here is like the old shell game....where's the pea? Noe it is under the shell called methane since CO2 has been proven not to change temperature by any amount worth considering. Al Gore is trying to shift the emphasis from science...now that the fakery has been exposed, to a spiritual question."

How was the role of CO2 in climate change disproven? Please show experimental data showing that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas after all. Maybe you can do the same for methane while you are at it.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 11:55 am
http://www.care2.com/news/member/820934955/1293170 take a look at this article, the worlds biggest meatball...is that it ? is that what makes people happy?

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 12:16 pm
For a LOT of reasons eating less meat is good. Good for the animals, good for people's health, good for less pollution of the environment from factory farms...
Anyone is free to become a vegetarian or vegan if they want, but not everybody is willing to. LESS meat-eating, say 25% or 50% reduction per person would simply be helpful. It isn't necessarily an 'all or nothing' game.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 12:29 pm
Well I am NOT for slaughtering animals of any kind for any reason. I happen to love cows, dairy, meat, pets. We now blame animals for what humans have done and to eliminate them is ridiculous...This mess is cause by many things all lumped together, not just one or two things. It is ALL OUR FAULTS, not the animals. We must find other ways to stop this than to mass murder animals or cattle or horses. Horses eat more than beef cattle and poop more. Where is the sanity in this issue? It is many things and will take MANY steps in all areas to fix the problem. Care 2 is really going overboard on some issues and that is why I don't post much anymore. Hatefullness, name calling, the uglies. It has to stop because we are in more danger from hate than from our livestock. You go Kenneth as you have common sense.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 1:12 pm
You bring up good points, everyone. First, it is 'flexitarian', since May, 1992, I eat meat sparingly. I read the name flexitarian in November, 2002 in a magazine on my way when I was moving to Florida.

Yes, the real issue is grain versus grass. We agree the madness of growing edible grain, such as corn, only to be used to fatten cattle. We agree that if there is grass that is not suitable for any other purpose and cattle and other livestock can feed on it, that is acceptable.

I find it easy to eat meat sparingly. It is not the main meal, it is part of the meal.


It has only been several centuries since common people were able to eat meat on a regular basis. In fact, the height of an average Japanese has increased several inches starting around WW II just due to adding meat to their diet! (Japanese traditionally ate fish.)

The other two insanities with corn are a source of sugar (high fructose corn syrop), and alcohol for cars!

Don't get me started on what we're doing wrong. let us work on what we can do right.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 2:34 pm
........ a cowboss thought..... seems to me that "The New Vogue" at Care2 is to "Blame all of the world's evils" on "Omnivores and Farm Animals"! Cowboss thinks that it is "High time" that you Vocal "Finger pointing" folk took a long hard look in the mirror. AND THEN may the first amongst you "without sin" be the first to cast the stones!

A story for "Starters" -- "Reform the food industry — for the sake of the planet ~ by Dr Rosemary Stanton" cowboss's blogspot

cowboss

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 2:38 pm
Oops! do not know what happened BUT the Addy did not show up, here it is again http://cowbossatwscc.blogspot.com/2009/11/reform-food-industry-for-sake-of-planet.html

cowboss

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 2:44 pm
I've actually heard in debate greenhouse gas doubters utilize livestock gas emission amounts as if this should get humans off the hook. But au contraire...livestock is specifically due also to man's meddlings.

Oh, and by the way Chris O., good come back on Ralphie Boy's sarcasm...

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 3:20 pm
Such a simple thing you make complicated. You don't kill animals you don't kill people. Birth control has alway been used with stock even if you prefer to shoot bull.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 4:47 pm
Sorry to tell you the sad truth , Cowboss, 'cos I am sure you are a nice guy, and you dont want your livelihood threatened, but it is a fact that 51% of all the global warming is caused by the livestock industry -- that is , worldwide-- but-- remember that the biggest consumers of meat are the US. Its meat every day, maybe more than once. Its "All you can eat for X dollars" (obscene) and giant portions big enough to feed a family or even several families-- Also its not just the emissions-- caused by the animals, the petro chemicals used in the creation of their fodder, the CO2 released by the destruction of the world's rainforests to make way for cattle and fodder....Consider also the terrible waste of water. Agriculture is the biggest user of fresh water, using 70% of all that is available-- before you say that is used by us wine-drinking veggies growing our crops,let me tell you that the Uni of CA conducted studies which show that to make one pound of tomatoes or potatoes, it needed 20-30 gallons of water, but to make one pound of beef it needed a wasteful 441 gallons of water. No doubt due in part to the large amounts needed at the abbatoir, you well know what animals do when they are terrified! You may think I am making this up? Then you may like to read the UN FAO report, "Livestock's Long Shadow" (2006). You can get to it via www.viva.org.uk/hot

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 5:16 pm
It takes 10 pounds of vegetable matter, to equal the nutritional value of one pond of meat. We have big brains from eating meat.

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 5:24 pm
"Because we all share this small planet Earth, we have to live in harmony and peace with each other and with nature. That is not just a dream, but a necessity."
Daila lama

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 6:37 pm
Susan

The Mirror!

cowboss

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 6:55 pm
"The continued poverty of the majority of the planet’s inhabitants and excessive consumption by the minority are the two major causes of environmental degradation." ~ UN Environment Program

May I also add, "Excessive waste by the minority"! AND That may well be you!

AND Susan, I assure you that I am not only a "Nice guy" BUT My livelihood DOES NOT come "From Raising Livestock" (never has, and most likely never will). I am sure that you are a "Smart girl" and that you CAN learn -- So educate yourself, and you will find out that NO ONE is making money from Ethical, Sustainable, Grass fed, farming! Hell, even the "factory farmers" are losing approx $200.00/head of beef raised (at least in Canada where they cannot feed feces to their animals like those in the US can!, Do you per chance live in the US?)

cowboss

Tuesday November 3, 2009, 11:09 pm
theshit has hit the fan people, literally...
can you say, MASS EXTINCTION ???
we may go fast or we may go slow
but we will all go... no species will be spared

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 2:53 am
Meat should be a side-dish along with rice and vegetables. As always... everything in moderation. The US doesn't need to be fixated on meat because meat delivers global warming and heart disease. We can eat wiser and be healthier....

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 3:57 am
Bob

Do your homework! SOME "meat delivers global warming and heart disease."
Your generalization and lack of knowledge SCARES me! Grass fed beef can NOT ONLY be good for the environment, BUT it's natural high Omega 3 content can be good for your "ticker".

Please, by all means, go ahead and point out the problems arising from "Factory Farming" and "Unnatural diets" BUT GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!

cowboss

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 4:23 am
For those of you who's mind is "STILL OPEN ENOUGH" for info on the benefits (health and environment) here is a link to some really good info! http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm Spend some time there -- you are going to have to read "more than 170 characters" BUT it is worth it!

cowboss

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 6:51 am
hello:)
May be we should all eat less meat,less animals!!and eat less too for all these who eat enough and more than enough like me!!
may be cows,once upon a time did have green meadows to pasture on and not fermentated corn like nowadays...may be we were less people on earth
may be too:Yann Arthus bertrand is right when he says:we should eat less buy less consume less...
Lets still hope that on our small scale we can help,believe in it,many drops coming together become an ocean!
And thank you
and to "cowboss"thank you,i'll visit:eatwild.com!

Wednesday November 4, 2009, 9:53 am
disagree because cattle have been looked down on , whereas if there had equal rights their breath & dung would be called nectar of the gods & invitation to rainfall & miracle trees - you are just been anti-cows & seeing animals as not deserving any spirit/soul.
if everyone went vegetarian -fantastic - but all the cattle , if no longer required for meat - they still have to be reborn as humans , in any case .
humans & animals can breathe differently & have no bad fumes from body .

Thursday November 5, 2009, 5:44 am
Suzanne..please do not let your Religion get into the debate. This atticle is about the "exsessive" breeding of cattle for human consumption and the consequences on that...Most of us love all animals ,but we would reduce the amount bred for meat..