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U.S. Right Wing Extremists More Deadly Than Jihadists


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Domestic terrorism, Right Wing Extremist, Fatalities )

Marg
- 382 days ago - cnn.com
Despite this history of deadly violence by individuals motivated by political ideologies other than al Qaeda, it is jihadist violence that continues to dominate the news and the attention of policy makers.



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JL A. (284)
Tuesday April 15, 2014, 6:51 pm
This article poses a very important question. Some of it may be that some are more comfortable being concerned about those who seem different or are not likely to number within personal circles. Some may be because many are loath to learn something new or change so it is easier to focus on an enemy where you have learned the language and know your audience knows something, too--not unlike hearing now Cold War language on the Crimea topic instead of language more similar to 21st century events and politics.
Yet even before 9/11, the Southern Poverty Law Center had to build most of their cases on white supremacists, survivalists, anti-feds, private militias,etc. without any real help from law enforcement until the evidence was overwhelming and then the criminal justice system would participate and proceed. So one could say DHS even trying once broke ranks with historical behavior in this area of crime.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (198)
Tuesday April 15, 2014, 8:14 pm
An interesting point JL A.

I don't trust either right wing extremists who have certainly killed many within the U.S. (including civil rights activists after the Civil War and in the 1950's and early 1960's ect.) and I certainly don't trust al Qaeda. All extremists are a threat to civil order.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has quite an extensive list of right wing threats to the U.S., it is interesting to find out about all of these people as well that pose an internal homegrown threat to the stability of the U.S.
 

Bruce C D. (93)
Tuesday April 15, 2014, 8:21 pm
Noted this very important article--it needs to be more widely read. It's sad how Muslims are stereotyped and unfairly made villains, while home grown right-wing hate groups that use terrorism receive so little attention. The result is that we are endangered more. The article nailed it, though. A large part of that has to do with conservatives not wanting to admit or publicize the problem they have. Pretty similar, actually, to how they choose to handle the problems they have with racism and bigotry. Maybe if they confronted those problems, which often form the basis for right-wing terrorism, it would help stem the trend.
 

Nimue Pendragon (297)
Tuesday April 15, 2014, 8:57 pm
noted
 

Jae A. (320)
Tuesday April 15, 2014, 11:00 pm
Well stated I think, Bruce .
 

Abdessalam Diab (147)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 1:12 am
Thanks Marg for posting this story. It uncovers a lot.
Thanks Bruce for your comment.Green star.
I'll be back ASAP for a comment.
 

Abdessalam Diab (147)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 1:13 am
Shared on Face Book and tweeted as well.
 

Evelyn B. (58)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 2:19 am
I think JL A has a valid point: the unknown, difference, is often cause for fear because it isn't understood. "Arab", "Muslim" (terms often used interchangeably by those who opt to let their fear express itself through hate rather than seeking to understand the differences - and similarities - & overcome their fear) are acategory one can choose to hate without putting one's own population group into question .... whereas the white/ right wing extremists are fellow Americans, not obviously different. Taking a close look at the reality of their existence & their actions is far too frightening; easier to stay as blind as possible to their violence ... and by so doing, feed the very hatred that fuels such movements.

Bruce - spot on! The only way to overcome this extremism is to look closely at racism & bigotry (and their roots) - then unravel the fears that feed those roots, by creating opportunities to develop understanding and respect => tolerance. One will always have a handful of people who get their kicks out of hating, out of violence, and who seize any & every opportunity to act this out, but these are a very small number.

I honestly believe that most people would be happier if they could let go of their fears, understand that humans of all cultures, religions etc have fundamentally far more in common than the differences that show on the surface. It is not for us to judge other ways of doing, believing - as long as they are not trying to force everyone to be the same. When we understand the whys and hows of differences, there can be exchange, and with exchange, there is evolution of thought - where confrontation causes closed minds & rigid resistance.

Marg - thank you so much for posting this
 

Evelyn B. (58)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 2:20 am
And thanks, Syd, for flagging this to me!
 

Abo r. (105)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 2:39 am
Noted, Thanks Marg. for the post and Abessalam for the forward.
No No No for killing of any human anywhere in the world wide.
No violence to human righits of any source and any kind .
All humans everywhere and all creatures have the right to live as humans with full rights.
 

Marg Lemon (12)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 3:45 am
I also want to note that in the period between 1985 and 2005, Islamic domestic terrorism (according to FBI statistics) was extremely low. These statistics aren't based on fatalities, but on actually successful or foiled plans to commit terrorism domestically. The media, the GOP and to some degree the Democrats perpetuate this myth. People of all faiths, all ideologies commit or attempt to commit attacks of terror. It doesn't help when the right wing nutbar faction, believers of a plot of land, a gun and no government certainly contributes to this problem.
 

Bruce C D. (93)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 5:06 am
I should have added to my initial comment that the Tea Party movement and Republicans in general don't just fail to confront the problem in their ranks, the rhetoric and dog whistle tactics fuel the flames, encouraging right-wing terrorism and seditious acts.

I also wanted to share this link to a Rachel Maddow piece from yesterday on the problem, as it provides some history and additional information people may find useful:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

It should bring up the latest story which will be correct, but if not, just click on the video for 'Right-wing radicals linked to lethal violence' dated 04-15-14.

 

Angelika R. (147)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 6:35 am
Thx Marg, great article and I'm even surprised to find it in MSM!
" it becomes harder to explain, in terms of American national security, why violence by homegrown right wing extremists receives substantially less attention than does violence by homegrown jihadist militants." He got that right, for sure!
Just how would they explain their homegrown right-wing extremism when many of them are holding public office, sitting right there in the DOS and Congress? It's been so convenient to feed the narrative and keeping the myth alive.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 6:45 am

I saw this on Maddow last night. This country can sure get fired up about people being terrorist, that is unless the terrorist is home grown. I don't think it's that hard to explain, we are a xenophobic nation.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 6:46 am

Thanks Abdessalm and Marg.
 

Dandelion G. (385)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 7:18 am
Even on C2 the flames of hate are spread bashing those of the Islamic faith, painting all those who Walk in this way terrorist just because of a few doing something horrific. Yet when I bring up Timothy McVeigh, a Christian, that is pushed aside in one manner or another. We never solve anything if we fail to see the full picture.

Within the article it stated:

Now let's do the thought experiment in which instead of shouting "Heil Hitler" after he was arrested, the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar." Only two days before the first anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings, this simple switch of words would surely have greatly increased the extent and type of coverage the incident received.

I think this one paragraph wraps it up nicely. Extremist are that, extremist, not all white men who are Christian go around like Timothy McVeigh or Frazier Glenn Cross (Miller) and thankfully so. Likewise the majority of the people who are Muslims do not blow things up nor drive planes into buildings.

Good comments above. Thankful for those who look from eyes of Eagles........

Good posting Marg and thanks Abdessalam for the forward.
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 8:59 am
Well said Dandelion. Thanks for posting Marg. Good comments, too. A lot of double standards.
 

Donna B. (104)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:01 am
Thaks Marg for posting Thanks Syd for bringing this to my attention. I agree with Evelyn. There seems to be one thing we as humans were all created equal it is the free will were were given to make choices. There are those who take beliefs to extremes, this is not good. I believe in these three words and live by them "HUMANKIND BE BOTH" also the quote UNLESS Someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. DR Seuss The evil in our world is created by the free will each of us have and most of the time carried from one generation to the next. I can happily say I was not raised this way. I keep a open mind and heart, but will stand my ground and not back down from evil. Our wold has become twisted and I feel for our future generations. . I have two quotes to share.

"The things that will destroy us are: Politics without principle; Pleasure without conscience; Wealth without work; Knowledge without character; Business without morality; Science without humanity, And worship without sacrifice."
- Mahatma Gandhi, Indian spiritual/political leader

"True peace is not merely the absence of tension: it is the presence of justice."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
The actions of a man show you what kind of man he is no matter what he says he believes in. As they say actions speak louder than words. Our children learn what they live.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:16 am
Interesting article and i haven't totally fisnihed it yet.

I do think though that when some of these people talk about America or American values, etc., they really mean white male caucasians.

"Now let's do the thought experiment in which instead of shouting "Heil Hitler" after he was arrested, the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar.""

Yeah, different.
 

Dandelion G. (385)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:25 am
Is why the women need to speak up louder.....is why their voices are trying to be silenced. Keep them out of the voting booth, the job market, poor, barefoot and pregnant and dependent upon the male for their survival; backed up by either brute strength and religious dogma twisted all out of shape.
 

Debbie S. (33)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 1:16 pm
No more hate crimes of any kind!
 

Joanne Dixon (41)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 1:51 pm
Excellent article and oh so true, and oh so sad so many Right Wing wingnuts are trashing it in the comments. But it does go to show that when one's mind is made up facts are only confusing and therefore are rejected.
 

pam w. (139)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 6:46 pm
I absolutely agree with this! Many of the right wingnuts are using religion as the excuse to behave EXACTLY like the Taliban....going after women, demanding special benefits for themselves as ''religious rights," etc.

I predict it will get VERY ugly...
 

Pat A. (116)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 11:58 pm
Excellent article by Peter Bergen - thanks Abdessalam for forwarding this. Peter Bergen is correct - for every dubious saying we should swap whatever gender, race or religion is being talked about (black/white, male/female etc) - and if it raises hackles with one race/religion/gender then it should with the other - it is an easy test!

All extremists are bad for the general population - yet somehow the Right Wing (some say the Reich Wing) have managed to fool people over the last 30 years and get into positions of power - where they start off with mild statements and then they get more extreme - and it is very worrying to anyone of sense and humanity.

Oddly this story reminds me of one of the many uses of DNA - I saw an excellent anthropological documentary a few yeas ago and in it people with different backgrounds from different parts of the world had their DNA analysed and it was shown which of the ancestresses they had come from (mitochondrial DNA) - and two in particular I remember, a Native American and a Greek were shown to have had the same ancestress around 40,000 years ago or so - and then one of her daughters went to Europe, and one went East through Asia and across the Bering Strait to America - and when the two were shown this evidence, they embraced and called each other cousin! (Yes, I was in tears!). We are all the same family (no wonder the Far Right want Creationism instead of science!).
 

Dandelion G. (385)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:46 am
Perth and where I live have something in common, the amount of sunshine. It states on average 3,000 hours a year and where I live it gets between 7 and 10 hours a day bringing it up to or slightly above that figure. Now if we could get the idiots in this State to push for solar we'd not ever need any fossil fuels. But no since Rick Scott, a Tea Bag Gov. was voted in, we now have the filthy Duke Energy that has been mucking up North Carolina and also uses Nuclear too.
 

Peggy A. (0)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 7:19 am
sadly noted
 

Dandelion G. (385)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 7:23 am
Whoops....I did what a few others have done from time to time. Placed a comment about another story on the wrong thread. My bad. Perth......and the comment, has nothing to do with this story. Sorry.
 

Bob A. (17)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 8:43 am
CNN title is misleading because it associates this Nazi murderer with right wing views. GOP usually are much tougher on criminals, like that, than the Democrats.

A comment says on that thread says, that many hate crimes are committed by people supporting Democrats.
From the post:
1. Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

2. Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat

3. Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign;
Occupy Wall Street participant; & progressive liberal.

4. Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians.

Therefore, the CNN article has more reasons to be called "U.S. LEFT Wing Extremists More Deadly Than Jihadists".

Said that, it is indeed ridiculous, that these Nazi fanatics were allowed to freely run paramilitary camps and preach their hate. Nothing good can ever come of such camps, be they run by Nazis, or by Jihadists.
 

Cynthia not well (340)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 10:24 am
@ Bob A.....All the shootings you have listed here where done by mentally ill people...what they did had nothing to do with right or left wing extremism. You have proven nothing with your left wing accusation.
 

Bob A. (17)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 12:52 pm
@Cynthia,

My point was that this Nazi shooting cannot be attributed to right wing in the sense we use this term in US. No right wing (GOP) leader defended the killer by advocating for his "grievances" or "past victimhood".

That's why CNN gave the wrong and misleading title to its article.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 1:03 pm
Bob, I understand the point you are making.

But I hate that some feel they have to keep score. Does it matter if "right" has killed one more or one less than "left"?
 

Eleonora Oldani (47)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 2:44 pm

Thanks a lot, Syd, for leading me to this article - very interesting ... and very interesting and sincere comments here!

I've put up this question on my profile since quite some time:

"When you pare away the differences of religion, language, and philosophy, we are all alike, all of us on the planet, in how we love, how we dream, how we hate. Understanding both sides means you take on the heaviest burden of all - empathy. Why is it that peace, love and life are so fragile, while fighting is perennial, hatred is omnipresent and death so permanent?"

"Why is it that we can’t respect what other people believe and just argue and discuss the doings of those considerable few who abuse, misuse and hijack any of the 3 religions for their ulterior motives and personal gains – i.e. the political Jewish Zionists, the political Christians (too many parties to list) as well as the political Muslim Brothers? Why is it that most human beings always have to put others down … hoping that in doing so … they elevate themselves?"

Is it true that we have not really evolved since our "cave days"? Or is it rather true that in pitting us against each other we are that much easier to rule and manipulate? I believe the latter is the case - divide et impera.

I've had a number of so-called discussions lately (also on C2) with what I call e-Brigades who do nothing but incite to hatred in an absolute scary and (seemingly) fanatical way. Personally I believe that there's a paycheck somewhere waiting for them as I've read almost verbetum the same postings and replics on other sites.

I just absolutely fail to understand that so many educated people still (or again?) fall for this so obviously tilted propaganda, run away with it and stop thinking for themselves. If these are going to be the people of the 21st century then I have to agree with Pam: it's going to be very ugly - not because of any or all religions but because of those people who abuse, misuse and distort the teachings for ulterior motives and the big masses who just blindly follow. Following is always easier than thinking …

I wish we would not lose sight of this fact: "While there are plenty of bad people who happen to belong to one religion or another, I do not believe there is a person who is bad just because he/she happens to belong to a certain religion, culture or race."

Stay safe all of you!
 

Marg Lemon (12)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:17 pm
White supremist groups are considered to be right wing extremists as their ideologiy is further right than what we perceive as the right wing. Of course no right wing politician is going to lend support to the killing of individuals by a white supremist group, as this is where the word "extemist" comes into play. You have three choices where they fall in the political spectrum, right, center or left. Their political beliefs certainly don't fall within the left or centre, they are a distortion or extremism of the right wing's political belief system. I also want to note that these figures actually parallel those of the FBI.
 

Marg Lemon (12)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:38 pm
To further clarify, from the FBI

"Rightwing Terrorism: The major themes espoused today by rightwing groups are conspiracies, such as the New World Order and gun control laws, apocalyptic views stemming from the approach of the millennium, and white supremacy. Many rightwing extremist groups also articulate antigovernment and/or anti-taxation and anti-abortion sentiments, and engaged in survivalist and paramilitary training to ensure the survival of the United States as a white, Christian nation." (FBI, Terrorism in the United States, 1996).

"Rightwing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, anti-regulatory beliefs. (FBI, Terrorism in the United States 1999)
 

Marg Lemon (12)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:38 pm
Sound familiar???
 

Marg Lemon (12)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:48 pm
Also, just to note, the whoe point of the article is that more non Muslim terrorists have practiced aacts of domestic terror than all the jihadists Bob is always posting about. Thes statistics I commented on (from the FBI which demonstrate that there is much more non Islam extremist acts of terrror either successful or foiled from 1985 through 2005 than one perpetuated by Muslims) and these statistics show that we spend a whole bunch of money on the Islamic threat where it is actually a lot less than rightwing and leftwing extremist groups.
 

Abdessalam Diab (147)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:59 am
Please flag Erybnvbn Cxbxbcery comment as inappropriate
 

Syd H. (48)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 1:34 am

~~
New Report: More Than 100 Hate Crime Murders Linked to a Single Far-Right Website
SPLC finds Stormfront.org users—like Frazier Glenn Miller—are disproportionately responsible for major killings
April 18, 2014

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/new-report-more-100-hate-crime-murders-linked-single-far-right-website


People charged with the murders of almost 100 people can be linked to a single far-right website, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

The White Nationalist web forum Stormfront.org says it promotes values of “the embattled white minority,” and its users include Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in a 2011 massacre in Norway, and Wade Michael Page, who shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012.

After a two-year investigation, the SPLC said (pdf) that since Stormfront became one of the first hate sites on the internet in 1995, its registered users have been disproportionately responsible for major killings. The report was released a month early after white supremacist Frazier Glenn Miller, also known as Frazier Glenn Cross, was accused of killing three people at a Jewish center in Kansas City on Sunday.

“We know that the people who are going to commit the kinds of crimes, like the kinds of crimes Miller committed last weekend, this is where they live,” said Heidi Beirich, report author and a director at the SPLC’s Intelligence Project. The report, released on Thursday, calls Stormfront the “largest hate site in the world” and “a magnet and breeding ground for the deadly and deranged.”

...

“It’s pretty clear that websites like Stormfront are breeding grounds for people who are just enraged at their situation, it’s there that people find the reasons their lives aren’t as they had hoped and Stormfront helps them find the enemy that is standing in their way – whether it be Jews, African Americans, immigrants and so on,” said Beirich. “Unfortunately it’s not very surprising that people who live in this kind of stew of violent racism eventually pick up a gun and do something about it at some point.”

Stormfront proudly declares that “every month is white history month” at the top of its site and forum discussions concern things such as the latest news stories, ideology, poetry and creative writing.

“The fact of the matter is that more people have been killed domestically by radical right extremists than Islamic extremists since 9/11 and where you find a lot of these people is on these sites,” said Beirich.

~~

Sites that are being made popular by Bob and his gang such as Jihadwatch are the new hate sites which will lead to more killing of innocents.

But it is justified by those who believe so very strongly. What they do is okay, but to be condemned in others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

 
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