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Note to New York Times: Throwing Stones Is An Act of Violence

World  (tags: israel, middle-east, violence, terrorism, palestinian, settlers, stome throwing )

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Last week's return of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians has had little impact on the simmering Palestinian violence in the West Bank - or the efforts of some in the media to glorify the violence.

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Alexa R (319)
Monday August 5, 2013, 8:13 am
I quote: "Rudoren focuses much of the story on a 17-year old Palestinian youth who has been arrested four times “for throwing stones at Israeli soldiers and settlers” – not civilians but settlers.

Although we learn about the cold of the interrogation room and other details of the lives of the Palestinians in the story, Rudoren does not even bother to name the Israeli victims she mentions. In fact, the man’s name is Asher Palmer, and his one-year old son is Yonatan. And they didn’t simply die. They were killed, and the Palestinians who threw the rocks were convicted of murder.

The Palestinians Rudoren interviews never question the moral aspect of throwing stones, and neither does Rudoren. She has a matter-of-fact explanation for why they do it:

They throw because there is little else to do in Beit Ommar — no pool or cinema, no music lessons after school, no part-time jobs other than peddling produce along the road. They do it because their brothers and fathers did.

So long as the victims continue to be “soldiers and settlers,” it might not make much difference to Rudoren."

divergent revolution (309)
Monday August 5, 2013, 8:16 am
The old testament made stoning the lawful punishment of death.
It's present form is symbolically atrocious.

Carol D (346)
Monday August 5, 2013, 10:26 am
The logic she brings up is about as sensible as a bunch of gang members here in the states saying they didn't have anything else to do on the week-end so they decided to go out and kill a bunch of people! Unbelievable! The logic of some people today is so pathetically sickening it's unreal!! When a person tries to "rationalize" murder then there is a very deep dark secret warped sense of being humane within their brain!!

Helen Porter (39)
Monday August 5, 2013, 10:52 am
There is no excuse for hating Israel.

Their brilliant minds have gifted the people of this Earth with their intelligence to invent wondrous solutions to health and other problems. They do radical GOOD! even to their enemies.

There is no excuse for hating Israel.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 5, 2013, 11:39 am
Stone throwing is a political issue and not a matter of economic deprivation.

pam w (139)
Monday August 5, 2013, 3:26 pm
If you really WANT to....there are so many other ways to express yourself. Throwing stones is potentially murderous. Remember how they murder women.

Adena Z (19)
Monday August 5, 2013, 3:45 pm

Beth S (330)
Monday August 5, 2013, 4:16 pm
So the Palestinian kids don't have anything to do after school, so they throw rocks in hopes of killing Israelis.

I have an idea.... Why don't the Palestinian youths:

1) Study and do homework so that they can get good grades and do something productive

2) Learn a trade after school, so they can do something is productive and generates income (and leaves them not dependent on the billions in foreign aid they virtually flush down the toilet.

3) Why don't they throw rocks at their sisters and female cousins for looking at boys -- OOPS forgot -- they already do that.

Lee Hampton (15)
Monday August 5, 2013, 4:34 pm

I wonder why Israel is extremely cautious about letting Palestinians in the country?

Past Member (0)
Monday August 5, 2013, 4:47 pm
As Carol said, this is nothing but unbelievable absurdities. One simply CANNOT rationalize violence and murder, especially when the victims are children, a father, a simple everyday girl gone out for a pizza.
The justification is that it's their birthright to defend their land (how and when did it become THEIR land?) and fight their oppression (oppressed by being free to live, work, worship as they please, with benefits, the only caveat being that they respect the law?).
As Mr. Margolin concludes in his commentary on Amira Hass, their anger might better be directed at their leaders who have steadfastly refused to discuss an amicable solution. If the Palestinians agreed to live in peace with Israel they would have their independent state. They could have had it long ago.

P. L. Neola (21)
Monday August 5, 2013, 5:37 pm
I do not know of Jodi Rudoren and her writings or articles.

Nowadays, the new trend is reading online news articles. The big name newspapers, as well as the small town newspapers, are losing money and are not able to compete with the online newspapers.

To be quite honest, nowadays, people have to read online newspapers and articles in order to get the R-E-A-L, factual news. The big name media appears to be bought off and seems to be selling Obama’s agenda, even if his agenda is detrimental to our nation’s well-being.

People like Jodi Rudoren are unethical journalist. When I took my communication and a few journalism courses, I was taught to relay the news objectively and factually, meaning with the five Ws: who, what, when, where, and why. Any other method of providing news to the public was unethical and propaganda oriented.

The United States is now dealing with a media that behaves like Russian Cold War Propagandists. Now, the Russian media of the Cold War published what they did in order to maintain peace and harmony in their lives. They published what they did for staying alive, and that is the truth.

I hope this is not the case for U.S. journalists; however, I just learned recently that the journalist investigating the Benghazi story was killed in a car accident. Some witnesses claim that the car blew up before it hit anything. Some suspect the explosion was triggered remotely.

At present, the U.S. citizens are living under a government which possesses George Orwellian journalists. In the 1940s, George Orwell wrote a book called 1984 which had a nationalized media that fed the public with a constant flow of false narratives. The citizens heard the propaganda from morning, noon, and night. Day in and day out, they were fed the constant flow of government lies that kept them deceived and passive. The lies kept the people in the cities, because the people believe everything was barren outside the cities due to decades of war and terrorist activities. Meanwhile, the countryside was beautiful and untamed by man. Eventually—after years and decades of swallowing these lies like frogs reaching and gulping after flies—no one questioned the government’s spoon-fed propaganda.

This is where we are now. We are in an Orwellian media era! And … It is a very dangerous media era!!!

Suzanne L (99)
Monday August 5, 2013, 9:06 pm
Throwing stones is hardly noble. It is childish, futile, and primitive. Nothing is gained. Palestinians will never get ahead by encouraging or acting out with this mentality.

Giana Peranio-paz (398)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 12:42 am
Throwing stones is a very dangerous business and there are numerous groups who do this in order to convey their dissatisfaction with a given situation, the fanatical religious Jews in Israel do the same and as it seems that it is not a fire arm, it is not dangerous. Many a life was terminated by stones, intentionally or not intentionally. The stone throwers should be punished.

Carol K (45)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 1:25 am
Throwing stones is dangerous and should be discouraged!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 1:34 am
I have read this story and it is clear that the journalist concerned is totaly biased in favour of the Palestinians.I thought that the job of a good journalist is to be neutral and objective in their reporting.This story was so one sided as to be completely nonobjective and apologetic for the stone throwers.What surprises me the most is that her employers thought it worthy of publication.In passing I would like to mention that the establishment of a Palestinian state is unnecessary as the west bank does not belong to them. Until the Arab Israeli war the West Bank was part of the sovereign state of Jordan.The Palestinians were removed from both the Lebanon and Jordan and other Arab countries have refused to accept because wherever they go they try to set up a state within a state and immediately begin to arm themselves and displace the local population.I believe that any discussion of a Palestinian state should be with Jordan to whom the land belonged to before the war.There never was such a place as a Palestinian state.

Hilary S (65)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 3:17 am
by failing to name the murdered civilian victims, the journalist colludes with the age-old method of dehumanising victims in order to justify their murder. the nazis did that to justify murdering in their millions initially people with disabilities and then on to jewish people, homosexuals, and gypsies

it is unconscionable that despite the millions sent in aid to provide education for the palestinians from europe, america, australia and others, there are places where hatred and murder of israelis is a form of sport and entertainment. we need to look carefully at the endpoint of the aid we send.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 4:21 am

Maggie Kearns (7)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 12:51 pm
Thanks,Alexa! The NY Times is owned by anti-semites. Their lack of "journalistic" skills are appalling. Glorifying violence is what "reporters" seem to thrive on.

federico bortoletto (46)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 12:59 pm
Notato,grazie Alexa.

. (0)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 2:47 pm
There is no justification for this. If you're looking for the news to give a fair shake, it will be a long time in coming. Unless, of course, it suits their purposes. TY Alex

Aral O (14)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 6:37 pm
A true and honest global media is the need of current society. In China, In India, and everywhere news are means of controlling and misinforming the masses.
Anti-semantic comments for these issues are flowing in twitter.

By the way throwing of stone is a chauvinist act and should be condemned.

Edith B (146)
Tuesday August 6, 2013, 8:58 pm
Thanks, Alexa. This is deplorable and should be stopped. I feel so sorry for people who live with this kind of action daily. The news report was very biased.

Peggy A (0)
Wednesday August 7, 2013, 7:47 am

Nikolas K (94)
Monday August 12, 2013, 1:10 am
Two wrongs do not make it right and we need to remember here that what we see in this situation should not be judged by us but for us to learn what we need to fix in ourselves as what we see in us is lessons or experiences off ourselves that need to be addressed.
Also remember he who is without sin can cast the first stone. so till we learn the lessons of what we see in others negatively then we will always see this till we do learn and forgive ourselves for creating the experience.

Alexa R (319)
Monday August 12, 2013, 2:51 am
Nikolas Karman (91)
Monday August 12, 2013, 1:10 am
Also remember he who is without sin can cast the first stone.


Nikolas, are you trying to tell us that they're supposedly without sin and therefore are allowed to "cast the first stone"?


alicia m (97)
Wednesday September 25, 2013, 1:02 am
noted, gracias
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