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Darren
- 6 days ago - johnpilger.com
When Israel is called upon by governments and NGOs to "respect human rights" in Palestine, nothing happens, because they all know there is nothing to fear; nothing will change.



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Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 3:59 pm
Posted on behalf of our friend, Evelyn B.
 

Ed Star Issues V (198)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 4:18 pm
Noted, Thanks
 

Barb K (1686)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 4:48 pm
TYSM Darren for posting for Evelyn B. You're a sweetheart!
 

Barb StarIssues V (198)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 5:29 pm
Noted, Thank you
 

Doris F (22)
Wednesday July 12, 2017, 9:21 pm
noted, thank you Darren
 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 12:53 am
Thank you, Darren -
For some glitchy reason, I haven't been able to post stories since yesterday morning! I hope Eric's going to be able to sort this glitch out soon - I have a lovely post on not taking life seriously all the time that I'd been trying to post!!!
 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 1:00 am
Palestine is still the issue
10 July 2017

When I first went to Palestine as a young reporter in the 1960s, I stayed on a kibbutz. The people I met were hard-working, spirited and called themselves socialists. I liked them. One evening at dinner, I asked about the silhouettes of people in the far distance, beyond our perimeter.

"Arabs", they said, "nomads". The words were almost spat out. Israel, they said, meaning Palestine, had been mostly wasteland and one of the great feats of the Zionist enterprise was to turn the desert green.

They gave as an example their crop of Jaffa oranges, which was exported to the rest of the world. What a triumph against the odds of nature and humanity's neglect.

It was the first lie. Most of the orange groves and vineyards belonged to Palestinians who had been tilling the soil and exporting oranges and grapes to Europe since the eighteenth century. The former Palestinian town of Jaffa was known by its previous inhabitants as "the place of sad oranges".

On the kibbutz, the word "Palestinian" was never used. Why, I asked. The answer was a troubled silence.

All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land.

Denying people's humanity is the next step - as the Jewish people know only too well. Defiling people's dignity and culture and pride follows as logically as violence.

In Ramallah, following an invasion of the West Bank by the late Ariel Sharon in 2002, I walked through streets of crushed cars and demolished houses, to the Palestinian Cultural Centre. Until that morning, Israeli soldiers had camped there. I was met by the centre's director, the novelist, Liana Badr, whose original manuscripts lay scattered and torn across the floor. The hard-drive containing her fiction, and a library of plays and poetry had been taken by Israeli soldiers. Almost everything was smashed, and defiled.

Not a single book survived with all its pages; not a single master tape from one of the best collections of Palestinian cinema.

The soldiers had urinated and defecated on the floors, on desks, on embroideries and works of art. They had smeared faeces on children's paintings and written - in shit - "Born to kill". Liana Badr had tears in her eyes, but she was unbowed. She said, "We will make it right again."

What enrages those who colonise and occupy, steal and oppress, vandalise and defile is the victims' refusal to comply. And this is the tribute we all should pay the Palestinians. They refuse to comply. They go on. They wait - until they fight again. And they do so even when those governing them collaborate with their oppressors.

In the midst of the 2014 Israeli bombardment of Gaza, the Palestinian journalist Mohammed Omer never stopped reporting. He and his family were stricken; he queued for food and water and carried it through the rubble. When I phoned him, I could hear the bombs outside his door. He refused to comply.

Mohammed's reports, illustrated by his graphic photographs, were a model of professional journalism that shamed the compliant and craven reporting of the so-called mainstream in Britain and the United States. The BBC notion of objectivity - amplifying the myths and lies of authority, a practice of which it is proud - is shamed every day by the likes of Mohamed Omer.

For more than 40 years, I have recorded the refusal of the people of Palestine to comply with their oppressors: Israel, the United States, Britain, the European Union.

Since 2008, Britain alone has granted licences for export to Israel of arms and missiles, drones and sniper rifles, worth £434 million.

Those who have stood up to this, without weapons, those who have refused to comply, are among Palestinians I have been privileged to know:

My friend, the late Mohammed Jarella, who toiled for the United Nations agency UNRWA, in 1967 showed me a Palestinian refugee camp for the first time. It was a bitter winter's day and schoolchildren shook with the cold. "One day ..." he would say. "One day ..."

Mustafa Barghouti, whose eloquence remains undimmed, who described the tolerance that existed in Palestine among Jews, Muslims and Christians until, as he told me, "the Zionists wanted a state at the expense of the Palestinians."

Dr. Mona El-Farra, a physician in Gaza, whose passion was raising money for plastic surgery for children disfigured by Israeli bullets and shrapnel. Her hospital was flattened by Israeli bombs in 2014.

Dr. Khalid Dahlan, a psychiatrist, whose clinics for children in Gaza - children sent almost mad by Israeli violence - were oases of civilization.

Fatima and Nasser are a couple whose home stood in a village near Jerusalem designated "Zone A and B", meaning that the land was declared for Jews only. Their parents had lived there; their grandparents had lived there. Today, the bulldozers are laying roads for Jews only, protected by laws for Jews only.

It was past midnight when Fatima went into labour with their second child. The baby was premature; and when they arrived at a checkpoint with the hospital in view, the young Israeli soldier said they needed another document.

Fatima was bleeding badly. The soldier laughed and imitated her moans and told them, "Go home". The baby was born there in a truck. It was blue with cold and soon, without care, died from exposure. The baby's name was Sultan.

For Palestinians, these will be familiar stories. The question is: why are they not familiar in London and Washington, Brussels and Sydney?

In Syria, a recent liberal cause - a George Clooney cause - is bankrolled handsomely in Britain and the United States, even though the beneficiaries, the so-called rebels, are dominated by jihadist fanatics, the product of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and the destruction of modern Libya.

And yet, the longest occupation and resistance in modern times is not recognised. When the United Nations suddenly stirs and defines Israel as an apartheid state, as it did this year, there is outrage - not against a state whose "core purpose" is racism but against a UN commission that dared break the silence.

"Palestine," said Nelson Mandela, "is the greatest moral issue of our time."

Why is this truth suppressed, day after day, month after month, year after year?

In Israel - the apartheid state, guilty of a crime against humanity and of more international law-breaking than any other - the silence persists among those who know and whose job it is to keep the record straight.

In Israel, so much journalism is intimidated and controlled by a groupthink that demands silence on Palestine while honourable journalism has become dissidence: a metaphoric underground.

A single word - "conflict" - enables this silence. "The Arab-Israeli conflict", intone the robots at their tele-prompters. When a veteran BBC reporter, a man who knows the truth, refers to "two narratives", the moral contortion is complete.

There is no conflict, no two narratives, with their moral fulcrum. There is a military occupation enforced by a nuclear-armed power backed by the greatest military power on earth; and there is an epic injustice.

The word "occupation" may be banned, deleted from the dictionary. But the memory of historical truth cannot be banned: of the systemic expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland. "Plan D" the Israelis called it in 1948.

The Israeli historian Benny Morris describes how David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, was asked by one of his generals: "What shall we do with the Arabs?" The prime minister, wrote Morris, "made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand". "Expel them!" he said.

Seventy years later, this crime is suppressed in the intellectual and political culture of the West. Or it is debatable, or merely controversial. Highly-paid journalists and eagerly accept Israeli government trips, hospitality and flattery, then are truculent in their protestations of independence. The term, "useful idiots", was coined for them.

In 2011, I was struck by the ease with which one of Britain's most acclaimed novelists, Ian McEwan, a man bathed in the glow of bourgeois enlightenment, accepted the Jerusalem Prize for literature in the apartheid state.

Would McEwan have gone to Sun City in apartheid South Africa? They gave prizes there, too, all expenses paid. McEwan justified his action with weasel words about the independence of "civil society".

Propaganda - of the kind McEwan delivered, with its token slap on the wrists for his delighted hosts - is a weapon for the oppressors of Palestine. Like sugar, it insinuates almost everything today.

Understanding and deconstructing state and cultural propaganda is our most critical task. We are being frog-marched into a second cold war, whose eventual aim is to subdue and balkanise Russia and intimidate China.

When Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin spoke privately for more than two hours at the G20 meeting in Hamburg, apparently about the need not to go to war with each other, the most vociferous objectors were those who have commandeered liberalism, such as the Zionist political writer of the Guardian.

"No wonder Putin was smiling in Hamburg," wrote Jonathan Freedland. "He knows he has succeeded in his chief objective: he has made America weak again." Cue the hissing for Evil Vlad.

These propagandists have never known war but they love the imperial game of war. What Ian McEwan calls "civil society" has become a rich source of related propaganda. Take a term often used by the guardians of civil society - "human rights". Like another noble concept, "democracy", "human rights" has been all but emptied of its meaning and purpose.

Like "peace process" and "road map", human rights in Palestine have been hijacked by Western governments and the corporate NGOs they fund and which claim a quixotic moral authority.

So when Israel is called upon by governments and NGOs to "respect human rights" in Palestine, nothing happens, because they all know there is nothing to fear; nothing will change.

Mark the silence of the European Union, which accommodates Israel while refusing to maintain its commitments to the people of Gaza - such as keeping the lifeline of the Rafah border crossing open: a measure it agreed to as part of its role in the cessation of fighting in 2014. A seaport for Gaza - agreed by Brussels in 2014 - has been abandoned.

The UN commission I have referred to - its full name is the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia - described Israel as, and I quote, "designed for the core purpose" of racial discrimination.

Millions understand this. What the governments in London, Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv cannot control is that humanity at street level is changing perhaps as never before.

People everywhere are stirring and are more aware, in my view, than ever before. Some are already in open revolt. The atrocity of Grenfell Tower in London has brought communities together in a vibrant almost national resistance.

Thanks to a people's campaign, the judiciary is today examining the evidence of a possible prosecution of Tony Blair for war crimes. Even if this fails, it is a crucial development, dismantling yet another barrier between the public and its recognition of the voracious nature of the crimes of state power - the systemic disregard for humanity perpetrated in Iraq, in Grenfell Tower, in Palestine. Those are the dots waiting to be joined.

For most of the 21st century, the fraud of corporate power posing as democracy has depended on the propaganda of distraction: largely on a cult of "me-ism" designed to disorientate our sense of looking out for others, of acting together, of social justice and internationalism.

Class, gender and race were wrenched apart. The personal became the political and the media the message. The promotion of bourgeois privilege was presented as "progressive" politics. It wasn't. It never is. It is the promotion of privilege, and power.

Among young people, internationalism has found a vast new audience. Look at the support for Jeremy Corbyn and the reception the G20 circus in Hamburg received. By understanding the truth and imperatives of internationalism, and rejecting colonialism, we understand the struggle of Palestine.

Mandela put it this way: "We know only too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."

At the heart of the Middle East is the historic injustice in Palestine. Until that is resolved, and Palestinians have their freedom and homeland, and Israelis are Palestinians equality before the law, there will be no peace in the region, or perhaps anywhere.

What Mandela was saying is that freedom itself is precarious while powerful governments can deny justice to others, terrorise others, imprison and kill others, in our name. Israel certainly understands the threat that one day it might have to be normal.

That is why its ambassador to Britain is Mark Regev, well known to journalists as a professional propagandist, and why the "huge bluff" of charges of anti-Semitism, as Ilan Pappe called it, was allowed to contort the Labour Party and undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader. The point is, it did not succeed.

Events are moving quickly now. The remarkable Boycott, Disinvestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) is succeeding, day by day; cities and towns, trade unions and student bodies are endorsing it. The British government's attempt to restrict local councils from enforcing BDS has failed in the courts.

These are not straws in the wind. When the Palestinians rise again, as they will, they may not succeed at first - but they will eventually if we understand that they are us, and we are them.



This is an abridged version of John Pilger's address to the Palestinian Expo 2017 in London. John Pilger's film, 'Palestine Is Still the Issue', can be viewed on this website.


 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 1:03 am
Some info on the film referred to above:

John Pilger first made the film 'Palestine Is Still The Issue' in 1977. It told how almost a million Palestinians had been forced off their land in 1948, and again in 1967. Twenty five years later, John Pilger returned to the West Bank of Jordan and Gaza, and to Israel, to ask why the Palestinians, whose right of return was affirmed by the United Nations more than half a century ago, are still caught in a terrible limbo - refugees in their own land, controlled by Israel in the longest military occupation in modern times.

"If we are to speak of the great injustice here, nothing has changed," says Pilger at the start of the film, "What has changed is that the Palestinians have fought back. Stateless and humiliated for so long, they have risen up against Israel’s huge military regime, although they themselves have no army, no tanks, no American planes and gunships or missiles. Some have committed desperate acts of terror, like suicide bombing. But, for Palestinians, the overriding, routine terror, day after day, has been the ruthless control of almost every aspect of their lives, as if they live in an open prison. This film is about the Palestinians and a group of courageous Israelis united in the oldest human struggle, to be free."

Pilger distills the history of Palestine during the twentieth century into an easily comprehensible struggle for land - the loss of seventy-eight per cent of that belonging to Palestinians when the state of Israel was founded in 1948 and their claim to only the remaining twenty-two per cent, which had for thirty-five years been occupied by Israel.

In a series of extraordinary interviews with both Israelis and Palestinians, he speaks to the families of suicide bombers and their victims. He witnesses the humiliation of Palestinians at myriad checkpoints with a permit system not dissimilar to apartheid South Africa's infamous pass laws. One Palestinian woman tells of how she was stopped from passing through a checkpoint when she went into labour and had to return home to give birth with her mother-in-law using a razor to cut the umbilical cord. The baby later died. He goes into the refugee camps and meets children who, he says, "no longer dream like other children, or if they do, it is about death." He is shown round the Palestinian Ministry of Culture in Ramallah after a recent Israeli attack where he discovers faeces smeared on walls and floors and a room of children’s paintings vandalised.

Archive footage shows pledges by successive American presidents in support of Israel. Pilger describes the Israeli administration as "America’s deputy sheriff" in the oil-rich Middle East, receiving billions of dollars and the latest weapons: F16 aircraft, bombs, missiles and Apache helicopters. He reveals that Britain also fuels the conflict even though it condemns Israel for its illegal occupation. "During the first fourteen months of the Palestinian uprising, the Blair government approved 230 export licences for weapons and military equipment to Israel... Tony Blair has said, and I quote him, "We are doing everything we can to bring peace and stability to the Middle East.'" As a result, Israel is now the fourth-largest military power in the world.

On a hillside overlooking Jerusalem, Pilger concludes. "The truth is that Israelis will never have peace until they recognise that Palestinians have the same right to the same peace and the same independence that they enjoy,’ he said. ‘Recently, that great voice of freedom, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, asked this: “Have the Jewish people of Israel forgotten their collective punishment, their home demolitions, their humiliations so soon?” Israel’s own dissenting voices have not forgotten and those who speak out in this film honour the best traditions of Jewish humanity... The occupation of Palestine should end now. Then, the solution is clear: two countries, Israel and Palestine, neither dominating nor menacing the other. Is that impossible or is history to witness the consequences of yet another silence?’"

Palestine Is Still The Issue was a Carlton Television production for ITV first broadcast on ITV1, 16 September 2002. Director: Tony Stark. Producer: Chris Martin.

Awards: The Chris Statuette in the War & Peace division, Chris Awards, Columbus International Film & Video Festival, Ohio, 2003; Winner, War & Peace category, Vermont International Film Festival, 2003; Certificate of Merit, Chicago International Television Awards.
 

MmAway M (499)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:32 am
First of all I did go to the site and wanted to say TY Evelyn, then saw that precious Darren had posted for you, then was keeping a bit of the news and you had posted it all here! Thus I will just say Thank you again and you two make a great team! Gotta Love Darren! You too darling! xxoo Good one
 

Evelyn B (62)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:48 am
***************************************************************** Marilyn!

And I agree - Darren is a great support (especially as he has lots of other worries, especially his mother's health, yet he didn't hesitate to find time to come to C2NN & post this when I asked for his help!)
***************************************************************************************** for Darren!!!
 

Freya H (361)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 2:50 am
Whenever anybody has the courage to criticize Israel's policies, all they have to do is play the Jew Card and harp on how Jews have been persecuted over the millennia. Say the least thing against Israel and you're a Nazi. Holocaust-denial bugnuts are snickering.
 

Animae C (517)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 3:45 am
TY Darren
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 5:25 am
Grew up on John Pilger's journalism......and respect him greatly Many thanks to those that posted this.......

The propaganda is still rife.....Israel today blamed Hamas for not letting Palestinians get to urgent medical care.........not them.......
 

Lona Goudswaard (85)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 5:34 am
Thanks for posting Evelyn's article for her, dear Darren.

"Palestine," said Nelson Mandela, "is the greatest moral issue of our time." So true, and how quickly forgotten when the whole world is caught up in America's Drumpf antics. If there is any spotlight on the area it is on Syria, which is justified in itself, but leaves no room for "old news" Palestinians, let alone Palestine. Thanks, John Pilger and you, Evelyn, for remembering us of their plight. Yes, Palestine is still the issue.
 

Peggy B (34)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 6:24 am
So sorry for your loss, Darren.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 10:46 am
My mother is in hospital with kidney and anemia issues, Peggy. I've visited her EVERY day since 26 April.
 

Dandelion G (381)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 11:35 am
Removed from article:

"All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land."

............wow isn't that the truth; is why in the USA they certainly don't want generations of people to think on the Native Americans too much.

Excerpt

"Not a single book survived with all its pages; not a single master tape from one of the best collections of Palestinian cinema."

This is not only heartbreaking for the Palestinians but also for the rest of the world. A loss of such things is a lost to everyone. When Daesh was destroying buildings that had stood for thousand years or more along with statues, it hurt not just the people within that area, but to the worlds people and ultimately our own humanity.

And speaking of humanity the article wrote:

"The soldiers had urinated and defecated on the floors, on desks, on embroideries and works of art. They had smeared faeces on children's paintings"

It went on, but reminds me of when the soldiers called the American Indian "savages" at the same time in parades they wore the fingers of the Indians they killed, after they had smashed the heads of that parents baby against a tree. How they made pouches from the breast of Indian women they sliced off. Who was in fact the savages. Yet proudly they rode their horses through the streets with these trophies as the so called "non savages" waved and cheered them on.

Is it any different today when an announcer from CNN brags how beautiful those tomahawks look going off to kill whoever would be standing there? And notice once more the word "tomahawk" to place words on these weapons of war - not onto those who are sending them out......but onto those American Indians that you stole from and oppressed. Just like Osama Bin Laden was code named Geronimo. It never ends this is the humiliation that is ongoing; so normally said it isn't even recognized by most people.

I suspect that is the case with many who live in Israel. As the writer said, even back in the 1960's the lies were there.

The Palestinian people stood in solidarity with the American Indians at Standing Rock, I know the word of Resistance is being used a lot, even on the threads of C2, but do the people really understand what that means. Periodically I place on the thread, yes, like the Native Americans who have done so for 500 years.
As the late Russell Means said in his final years as he saw the United States falling apart from within, now you'll know my brothers and sisters what it is like to live on the Reservation. Those words he said not with spite, but when people fail to see how others are treated and discarded then one day you and your life can equally be discarded.

The roadblock at Standing Rock placed up by the police and the Corporate goons. That slowed the people on the Standing Rock Reservation from reaching the hospital. Not only the injured that were standing up to keep the pipeline out, but to the Elders who already had many miles to reach the main road from out on the far reaches of the Rez but now had additional miles to go.

Those police and goon squads paid by the Corporate to eventually ruin the water also laughed when they shot at the faces of people, blinding people, tore an arms almost off of another, shot at men's groins, they laughed as a reporter had his finger smashed, a rubber bullet aimed to do exactly what it did.

Like they laughed at Fatima and let her baby die within site of a hospital........again, who are the savages? Who are the godly ones?

Thanks Darren and Evelyn, for your compassion, I only wish more people would know these things. Have as much concern for their two leggeds as the four legged on here. .

 

Shirley S (186)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 9:12 pm
noted with empathy & sorry to read that Darren's mother is ill & 10 out of 10 Darren for visiting every day.
 

MmAway M (499)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 9:16 pm
Darren is a a fighter and I hope someone lights and does a story for him since he is quite the special person. I don't know how to do those types of news! IMPORTANT! Darren you already know you are a prayer list, but you need MORE for all you do! Bless your precious heart!

If someone posts please let me know!
 

Dawn W (250)
Thursday July 13, 2017, 11:04 pm
💙💜Noted...

💙💜Thank you...Darren.💙💜

😉💜ღ 💙Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ😺💜L💙ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all💜😺Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ ღ💙😉
 

Roslyn McBride (45)
Friday July 14, 2017, 2:43 am
Human rights go both ways.
 

Sylvie A (229)
Friday July 14, 2017, 5:08 am
Noted. Thank you, Darren
 

Beryl Ludwig (77)
Friday July 14, 2017, 6:07 am
Thank you Evelyn, and Darren for helping out. I love to see everyone working together.:)
 

Gloria picchetti (310)
Friday July 14, 2017, 6:57 am
Very sad.
 

jess b (26)
Friday July 14, 2017, 10:02 am
Thanks Darren, for posting and Evelyn for sharing. out of stars so, for you both, ************************

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I'm away, at the moment, but checking in. I'm sorry to hear your mum is so ill, Darren. Best wishes to you, both, and for your mother's full recovery!
 

raleigh koritz (378)
Friday July 14, 2017, 11:57 am
noted ty
 

Colleen L (3)
Friday July 14, 2017, 8:44 pm
Thanks Darren
 

Glennis W (406)
Friday July 14, 2017, 9:56 pm
interesting article Thank you for passing on Darren Wish your Mum all the very best and hope she will be better very soon Thank you for caring and sharing Darren and Evelyn
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Saturday July 15, 2017, 4:56 am
Dearest Darren ....your Mother is a Fighter from Battler roots.....I remember us talking about her on another thread......she is stoic .....she will only let go.....when she feels her children are safe....and I know you are doing everything....to make her feel that way........Lots of Hugs all Round........our Bravest moment is letting those that want to go....is letting them go..........hold onto her Dearly....and give them that permission....if that's what they want.......it's their time.........not ours........
 

Marija M (38)
Saturday July 15, 2017, 8:05 am
Thank you Evelyn and Darren.
 

Janet B (0)
Saturday July 15, 2017, 1:29 pm
Thanks
 

lisa O (6)
Saturday July 15, 2017, 8:07 pm
Just posting this stuff can be red flags and considered anti Semitic in the US. Not sure why our government gets away with funding a country with nukes that is not supposed to have them. So horrible that we support this apartheid country as well. I hope things change soon.
 

Joette B (0)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 2:11 am
this must change there are people suffering what we can never imagine but perhaps we will experience the same if trump is tolerated FIGHT BACK !
 

Walter F (131)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 3:50 am
Darren I'm sorry to learn about your mother .My thoughts and prayers are with her.. as for the "ISSUE" i leave that to the pro Palestinians to spit out their usual venom about Israel They have been absent for a while, it appears they are at it again. Go for it you are wasting your time. You are spitting against the wind.The nation of Israel will exist and flourish long after you have gone.
 

Paola S (9)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 4:01 am
So true, It is a shame for all the world ! Free Palestine! It was another Genocide!
 

Roberto M (112)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 5:59 am
Palestine is still a big problem
 

jan b (5)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 6:51 am
Last 8 years---the Jewish population grew by 1.8%, a similar trend observed in previous years. The Arab growth rate was 2.4%, . The Christian population grew too (by 1.3%), while the Druze population grew by 1.7%.
Palestine = Muslim 80–85% (predominantly Sunni; also non-denominational), Christian 1.0–2.5%, Jewish 12–14%[
How does this mixture of religions/backgrounds get along within the two countries without a desire to live with their majorities ? Why do Palestinians come to Israel for medical help ?
 

jan b (5)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 6:56 am
The Jewish population of ISRAEL makes up 6,484,000 (74.7%); 1,808,000 (20.8%) are Arabs; and, those identified as "others" (non-Arab Christians, Baha'i, etc) make up 4.5% of the population
20% are ARABS-----If its SO BAD why are they there and still arriving.....?
 

Mandi T (439)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 4:45 pm
TY Darren/Evelyn
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday July 16, 2017, 7:58 pm
Thanks
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Monday July 17, 2017, 2:55 am
"The nation of Israel will exist and flourish long after you have gone." Don't ever remember any of us calling for the downfall of Israel...Walter.....I know I certainly haven't........it's Mandated Lands by the British to those of the Jewish faith.......just like Australia was claimed as Terra nullius by the British......and it is like Dandelion copied from the article "All over the colonised world, the true sovereignty of indigenous people is feared by those who can never quite cover the fact, and the crime, that they live on stolen land."

At the end of the day......it is the taxpayer that will have to "Pay the Piper"........we do here in Australia..... Germany pays compensation to those that practised the Jewish Faith....an the US will one day have to pay the Native Americans......and Israel will have to pay those Semetics that stayed on these lands after the Exodus.........history does repeat itself........because human races don't seem capable of learning lessons from the past.......
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Monday July 17, 2017, 4:30 am
Should read human races/religion.....Walter....my great Grandmother......was a practising Jew in Germany during Hilters rein......her daughter.....my Grandmother did convert to Catholicism when she was "partnered/pregnant".......but they stood up to the SS and helped many to Jews to safety...their papers are in a University in Germany to this day......for safe keeping......glad you unfriended me......it was at your request not mine.....just got off the phone from a real friend (many decades) who is actually a Zionist and a Veteran from the 1967 war (Israel side FYI) and even he agrees you are a "JERK" I have had other "Souls" RIP who live in Israel (exIDF) who always worried about my safety even though I lived in Australia.....God Bless them.......for their concerns.....because they lived in a battlefield of no making of their own....they are just following orders......inpregnated orders.......
 

Walter F (131)
Monday July 17, 2017, 4:16 pm
Ros I wasn't going to respond to your comment .Your opinion of me and your pseudo Zionist friend isn't worth a row of pins,it doesn't concern me .What bothered me was your misstatement,I haven't unfriended you ,You still are on my friends list. I let you have the pleasure of doing that to me. My Jewish lineage can be traced back for at least five generations through a female line in every one and though not a practicing Jew I give unequivocal support to the nation of Israel ,its present leader and its people and I cannot stand the anti Israel posts and comments I see on care 2 .. I cancelled a previous account I had with care 2 years ago that being principal one, and am giving it serious consideration of doing that again
 

Janet B (0)
Monday July 17, 2017, 7:17 pm
Thanks
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 1:55 am
Thank you for your comment/response Walter......Ros G (0) means I have no friends.....according to C2...My Page got zapped on the 27/12/2016 which just happens to be the 5th Anniversary of their hack ...

I can assure you my Zionist friends are not pseudos.......they/their children will take a bullet for Israel anytime that it is asked of them.........over the Country of their Birth/Success.......and those that won't are "Jerks" to them.......supporting Israel and making "others" feel the are anti-Israel/Semetic.....is not helping the situation in their eyes......I have been having these discussions with them since the 1970's and they know I am not either and they respect the fact that I am concerned about Palestinians.....and I respect the fact that they aren't......but we have been talking about our concerns for decades because that is what friends do...they don't spit the dummy because they can't "convert" the other one into their thinking.

"My Jewish lineage can be traced back for at least five generations through a female line in every one"

Israel was formed in 1947......so those that were born there after that are First Generation.....Israelis.....
So what you are telling me is that you can track down 5 generations of women that practised Judaism.....which is a Religion and not a Race BTW.......not forgetting that one can convert from one Religion to another.......Immigration doesn't have to get involved.....Faith is a personal thing......what you are trying to tell me is that I am a Jewess through the female line........no.......I am not..... like you I don't practise the Faith....
and at times my Zionist friends even get frustrated with me......because I won't try and convince anyone to take a bullet for Israel........and that's what they want and need........to boost the IDF........to really support Israel with your children.......and grandchildren.......if you can not do that then you really don't support Israel... this is how our conversations mostly go.........


 

Nita L (115)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 2:19 am
Thank you Darren.
 

Walter F (131)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 3:28 am
Noted ..Ros hatchet buried now ..Issue closed..Kalah
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 4:48 am
Thank you Walter.....you have to excuse my ignorance...........had to "Google" Kalah.......
Kalah
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Kaleh Kallah
The NAS Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3617 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
hlk from (03615)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Kalah TWOT - 982a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
kaw-law' Noun Feminine
Definition
completion, termination, full end, complete destruction, consumption, annihilation
completion
completely, altogether (adv)
complete destruction, consumption, annihilation
NAS Word Usage - Total: 22
annihilation 1, complete destruction 5, complete end 4, completely 4, destroy* 2, destruction 2, end 1, entirely 1, full end 2
NAS Verse Count
Genesis 1
Exodus 1
2 Chronicles 1
Nehemiah 1
Isaiah 2
Jeremiah 5
Ezekiel 2
Daniel 2
Nahum 2
Zephaniah 1
Total 18
The Hebrew lexicon is Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Lexicon; this is keyed to the "Theological Word Book of the Old Testament." These files are considered public domain.
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Brown, Driver, Briggs and Gesenius. "Hebrew Lexicon entry for Kalah". "The NAS Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon". .

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Doesn't sound like I would use in my day to day life.....all I can say is "Peace and Happiness to you and yours" Walter........Care2 has been an amazing site......so greatful for all the wonderful, diverse people that over the many years became true friends......"don't leave.....don't judge"......that is a motto to live by
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 12:42 pm
Walter - tracing five generations doesn't give you roots in the diaspora, an ethnic link with Israel -

Yet YOU can move to Israel if you want to.

But a Palestinian who can trace their family history back more than ten generations spent in a neighbourhood of Jerusalem, or in a village in what was established as Israel in 1948, whose family fled in the face of terrorist action by Zionist militia in the period building up to the declaration of the State of Israel has NO right to return to their family lands.

Does that seem like justice to you?

Yet you systematically attack anyone who speaks up for those unjustly treated. A very blind spot? In order to maintain that blind spot, you have to hate Palestinians, Muslims ...
I find it sad that someone who cares about social justice in almost ANY other context can not allow himself to stop and think, check out the versions of Israeli history fed to them.

Fortunately, many Jews (including some in Israel) are applying the same principle of justice, equality & human rights when they look at the situation in Israel & Palestine - and recognise that the Zionist politics are moving further and further away from the ethics taught in Judaism.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 12:46 pm
Jan - again, every effort to mislead!

"20% are ARABS-----If its SO BAD why are they there and still arriving.....? "
You know very well that the only Arabs "arriving" in Israel are those being BORN there. Palestinians do not have the right to return to the land of their parents & grandparents - yet a convert to Judaism (or her descendants) can claim right to move to Israel.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 1:02 pm
Place the 20% Arab population in context.

Up to the 4th century Jews constituted the majority in the land in which Israel was to be created over 1500 years later.

In 1947, with the huge influx of Jews moving from Europe following the horrors of Nazi policies & strategies, the proportion of Jews in the same land more than doubled from the 13% present in 1914.

And you think 20% is HIGH?

Those 20% of Israelis who are Arab DO NOT have exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis.Although they do have some rights, there are a number of rights accorded to Jews (even newcomers) there are a number of rights that they do not share. For example, they can't live wherever they want in THEIR country, can't necessarily move back to their home village location. And there are growing numbers of Jewish Israelis who recognise - and disapprove - of such discrimination.
 

Walter F (131)
Tuesday July 18, 2017, 5:01 pm
Correction Evelyn I do have a link. My daughter did a D N A test on my sample to trace our ancestry for her compilation of the family tree My earliest ancestry goes back to what is now Israel and then progresses to what is now Turkey and then central Europe. I do have a very definite link So as we say here 'cop that.' Stop airig Please no more,...Ros I used the word Kalah meaning .end.Now this is definitely well and truly the bloody end..
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 12:52 am
Great comments, thank you, Evelyn and Ros.

Palestine Is Still the Issue!!

( btw, with genetic testing available.. the mind boggles .. as 'links' are as varied as pebbles on the sand. But the truth never changes. We are all one people, and 'religion', or any class of division, cannot claim superior knowledge or ancestry, or 'rightful' precedence over indigenous populations.
Migrations, colonialism, land thefts, land grabs, land takers, conquests, etc., do not justify, sanctify, or legitimize crimes against humanity and human rights violations.
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 1:26 am
LOL Walter.......you yourself said "My Jewish lineage can be traced back for at least five generations through a female line in every one".......the Jewish lineage is through the female line as you state.....so your daughter should of used the blood of her mother.....for that DNA test.....another change that occurred over the Centuries, it seems.......oh....just another oversight by a male I suppose.........

So true Evelyn and it gladdens my heart for those that practise real Judism for recognising the plight of the Palestinians and others......there are so many voluntary organisations within Israel that are helping what they see as their neighbours and not an enemy....... kudos to them....

As for the "Right of Return"......most citizens that are dual Nationals of Israel have that Right to Return to their Country of Birth...... even when they fight for/in a foreign Country like Israel......to uphold Iraeli Laws without fear of reprisal when they return......
One would think that they in turn would afford the same Right to the Palestinians.... but alas no.......

 

Evelyn B (62)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 2:17 am
Ros, you saved me from making the same point - I didn't invent the 5 generations! Although arguing over that allowed neat sidestepping of the question of injustice that I asked!!! (Ironically, there is little difference in DNA of Muslims, Christians & Jews who remained living in what was known as Palestine under the Ottomans! Religion doesn't show in DNA! And some of these DNA tracking surveys are showing people some fascinating geo-ethnic linkages that they never dreamed of!)

Perhaps Palestinians in exile should get a DNA tracking done - they'd certainly have as strong a claim to Right of Return! After all, many of them WERE Jewish until they converted to Christianity in the early centuries of our Era ... and then many of those converted to Islam later. Not to forget the Palestinian Jews (who are of course now Israelis!)
 

Jerome S (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 2:29 am
thanks for sharing.
 

Jerome S (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 2:33 am
thanks for sharing.
 

Jim V (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 3:14 am
thanks
 

Jim V (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 3:15 am
thanks
 

Walter F (131)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 3:32 am
Girls one last curtain call before I bid you a a last goodbye You have let your spite and vindictiveness cloud your ability to reason .I am well and truly the last of my tribe .There was no other relative she could contact for a swab .The mother of my daughter was a non Jew and the love of my Life She died many years ago . Can you understand that Ros ,Incidentally you falsely accused me of deleting you as a friend,then admitted you lost your friend page. .Well now I have deleted you.. I have nothing in common with you.
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 4:08 am
Yes you are totally right Walter......we have nothing in common.....except for the fact that our daughters' lost a parent that they dearly loved....and they turned to us looking for answers......even clutching at straws......My daughter was more fortunate than yours...it seems.......her father was made a hero not only by the Australian Government but also the South Korean Government.......as I said previously

Peace and Happiness to you and yours........I bare you no malice.....
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 5:09 am
"Incidentally you falsely accused me of deleting you as a friend,then admitted you lost your friend page. ."
Also true......but one person keeps coming up in your profile and as your friend but when my page goes into a meltdown.....they clash with my icon..........not that tech savvy myself......and C2 doesn't want to know... but other avenues have been employed......
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 7:01 am
"Girls one last curtain call before I bid you a a last goodbye" How condescending you are Walter......but it is expected of your "age group" truly an very old man.......confronted by young women in their 60's...like myself, Evelyn and Jess........you are afraid of this younger generation and rightly so.....we expose you for what you really are.........
 

Evelyn B (62)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 8:30 am
The spite and vindictiveness seems to be towards the Palestinians and anyone who dares criticise Zionist leadership of Israel!!

Apparently, only Israel is granted impunity for human rights abuses!
I see Care2 has again mucked up your connections, Ros!
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 5:52 pm
Calling a spade a spade is necessary, and all the kvetching in the world - one of many intimidation tactics - won't change the sad and cruel truths, uncomfortable as they may be, to some, must be exposed and confronted. The dispossession and tyranny of the Palestinian people, who have suffered every day, for decades)must be stopped - and it will be.

The illegal occupation and the siege of Gaza, will not continue. It will be defeated and destroyed, one way or another, as public opinion and world awareness focuses and puts an end to it.
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 5:57 pm
Here is why - Thank you for sharing this post, Evelyn. **********

Things will get worse for Palestinians. Why I still have faith.

As the Israeli occupation turns 50, I still believe Palestinians will bring justice without creating injustice, secure equality for all and achieve freedom

As a political analyst, many of the pieces I write are impersonal and on the dry side. But as the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights turns 50, I believe it is a time to get personal and to speak of what keeps us going in this seemingly endless struggle for Palestinian freedom, justice, and equality.

For me, it is because I have faith that we will succeed in bringing about justice without creating injustice, in securing equality for all, and in achieving freedom. How is this faith possible? Especially given that the situation on the ground has gotten steadily worse for Palestinians ever since Israel was created and Palestine disappeared from the map in 1948 - nearly 70 years ago.

Freedom and rights will not come soon. In fact, the situation will get even worse as Israel’s right wing government grows stronger. In the absence of a meaningful challenge by the international community to its project to colonise the occupied territories - indeed with the active support of the United States and the current British government – Israel will feel free to forcibly dispossess many more Palestinians in Jerusalem and in Area C of the West Bank, while signalling to the rest of the Palestinians in the West Bank that they are living on borrowed time.

Things will tragically get worse in the Gaza Strip, even if the draconian controls on freedom and access to the most basic needs of life – electricity, water, a functioning economy – are eased. The territory has been physically degraded almost to the point of no return and will need massive investment to recover.

Things will also get worse for the Palestinian citizens of Israel as the Israeli state tries to impose more laws discriminating against them (there are already more than 50) including most recently a bill aiming to end the status of Arabic as an official language. And the situation will remain dire for the millions of Palestinians who became refugees in 1948 and in 1967, particularly those seeking to survive in Syria and Lebanon

Spotlighting devastation

But, and here’s the irony, the stronger Israel is, the weaker it makes itself. Instead of pulling out of the occupied territories and accepting the sovereign Palestinian state the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) thought would be the outcome of Oslo back in the 1990s, Israel continued to build and expand the settlements.

As a result, it is drawing international attention not only to the injustice in the occupied territories today. It is also spotlighting the devastation that the creation of Israel visited on the entire Palestinian people of whom the majority were forced into exile and never allowed to return, despite United Nations Resolution 194, which was included in the resolution approving Israel’s membership of the UN.

The growing recognition of the injustice created in 1948 and perpetuated in 1967 is causing some tectonic shifts, in particular among young US Jews, of whom tens of thousands are now organised in a peaceful movement for Palestinian rights alongside young Palestinians and many other Americans of many ethnicities.

This is one reason why I have faith: Israel is finding it very hard to legalise its occupation of Palestinian land in 1967 and the harder it tries the worse it looks. Indeed the only way Israel can legalise the occupation is if the PLO signs off on it. There may be a “deal” in the offing given the push by the Trump Administration to make peace, supported by Arab states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who also have their reasons for wanting an end to the conflict with or without Palestinian rights.

Yet it will be hard for any Palestinian leadership to sign off on a final agreement that does not result in a sovereign Palestinian state, and Israel has made clear that it will never recognise Palestinian sovereignty over Palestinian land and that it wants to keep full security control over the occupied territories.

The deep well

But another, stronger, reason why I have faith is because of the Palestinian people themselves. Here you have a people that has had world powers ranged against it for 100 years and yet which is still fighting for its rights. One hundred years. Many others would have given up on such a seemingly impossible quest. But the Palestinians have not.

The determination to resist dispossession and erasure draws on a deep, deep well. Recently, it was given powerful expression by the prisoners’ hunger strike that continued for 40 days, until the most basic prisoner rights were realised. It’s also given expression by the youth – the 2nd or 3rd generation born under occupation and now growing up under siege in Gaza – who put their lives at risk even when they go out on peaceful demonstrations.

And Palestinians have been and are being remarkably creative in finding new – and non-violent - ways to work for human rights. For example, in the 1980s it was the First Intifada (uprising) in the face of the Israeli occupation that mobilised massive and peaceful popular resistance.

In 2005, it was the launch of the Palestinian civil society-led boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement that called for using time-honoured, peaceful tactics of economic pressure, and which is now backed by a global solidarity movement.

Equally importantly, there is the flourishing of film, literature, art, and music all of which is telling the Palestinian story in so many compelling ways and ensuring that it is not erased.

All of these Palestinians with their determination, creativity – and steadfastness – will shape the future. This is why I have faith that - no matter how bad things look today – there is a solid foundation for a much brighter future.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/things-will-get-worse-palestinians-why-i-still-have-faith-1284217908
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:38 pm
Families in Gaza receive just 1.5 to 3 hours of electricity each day. It's a disaster.

Your tax-deductible gift will make it possible for MECA to work with a group of young engineers in Gaza to purchase materials and install rechargeable battery-operated systems in homes in Gaza with lights, a fan, and a cell phone charging station.


www.mecaforpeace.org/GazaLights
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:39 pm
End all U.S. aid to Israel, NOW!!!
 

Walter F (131)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:45 pm
Ros one more reply An insult in reply to several of yours .I'm in your age group, but I have yet to be afraid of confrontation with a man or woman in any age group at any time of my life , least of all now one with pedantic post menopausal women with exaggerated egos. Sorry to be rude to you but you well deserve it.. This issue is now well and truly closed ..I won't open it again so don't waste time replying.
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:47 pm
Things will get worse for Palestinians. Why I still have faith.

As the Israeli occupation turns 50, I still believe Palestinians will bring justice without creating injustice, secure equality for all and achieve freedom

http://www.care2.com/news/member/312733850/4061787
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:51 pm
.. as Evelyn, put it, and I agree... "The spite and vindictiveness seems to be towards the Palestinians and anyone who dares criticise Zionist leadership of Israel!! .."
 

jess b (26)
Wednesday July 19, 2017, 6:57 pm
MECA's Gaza Project s Director Dr. Mona EL-Farra:

"The electricity situation right now overshadows everything. We are getting just 1.5-3 hours of electricity each day. In the hospitals, we have to postpone surgeries. The sewage treatment plants can't cope with the electricity cuts so most of the raw sewage is being dumped in the sea. The water is very bad and people who live in high buildings or rural areas can't even get the bad water because there is not enough electricity to pump the water to them. I expect we will have more diseases this summer, especially among children.

We can't get the medications we need to treat out patients. Cancer patients are dying daily because we have no medicine for them and they can't leave Gaza. No one can leave Gaza. The border with Egypt has been closed for three and a half months, which is the longest period since this inhuman siege started ten years ago.

This year when we distributed food parcels to families in Gaza, I saw there is real hunger. Poverty is everywhere and people are scared.

But despite the terrible situation and the shortages, people support each other. There is community solidarity and spirit, especially in the young people. In one town, young people came together to fix the main road. People contributed funds or volunteered to work in the summer heat. A team of volunteer engineers designed rechargeable battery-operated lighting systems that MECA can make and distribute in Gaza.


We're calling this the Gaza Light Campaign and our goal is to raise $18,000 to provide 200 families with the new systems.

Please make a special contribution to bring light and electrical power to hundreds of families in Gaza.

www.mecaforpeace.org/GazaLights

http://www.mecaforpeace.org/
 

GingerAway WorkingLOL (0)
Thursday July 20, 2017, 4:54 am
A word of advise Dear Walter......"know who you are dealing with" Yes you maybe in my "age group" but you really don't know who I am......LOL ......that's Social Media for you.......love the description.....but it doesn't apply to me.......menopause was just a "flush" a moment in time when I was 50........didn't do all that hair dying etc to make me look young unlike so many others.....and to fit in......love my long Silver Locks...... and the passing of time
 
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